May have figured out a way to identify shills.

23  2015-04-10 by [deleted]

I notcied my post here https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3250v8/water_boy_in_blue_does_electric_slide_at_sandy/ was being downvoted heavily. I have been using Vote detective http://www.votedetective.com/.

So I went to look the users up using http://snoopsnoo.com/

What I noticed was the site was unable to pull in the user data of the ones that I felt may be shills. Other users the site works as expected. Is it possible these sockpuppet accounts are protected somehow from scraping the data on them?

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Looks like there is some error with it right now. I suppose it is possible, but I would verify this later when the site is working properly.

hmm never seen the site in read only mode. Must be they are connecting the sockpuppet database to it ;)

I'm the developer of SnoopSnoo, and there was an actually an issue with the cloud server for a couple of hours. The site is working fine now, no conspiracy here! :)

BULLSHIT YOU'RE ONE OF THEM!

/s

welcome to /r/conspiracy roflma this was fun.

Ha ha! :)

Thank you for taking the time to check in. May I ask how you heard about this thread? Are your servers caching results for future use? I do not apologize for being a skeptic anymore :) Great site Thanks again.

Thanks! I noticed the server issue and while looking into the logs, I saw this thread in the HTTP referrer field, so I figured I'd give an update. And yes, I am caching the results. This explains why you were able to see cached results by putting the username in the URL, but new users were not being processed due to the server issue.

You might actually be on to something. I was playing around with it and, you are correct, that "regular" users show up.

I put in the name of one guy who I figured was Stratfor based on his location and the consistent alignment of his policy positions with them.

All I got was "This will only take a minute" for him.

"Regular" users seem to pop up immediately. It's pretty inconclusive, all things considered.

edit: The site is back up and the person from before is now showing up. I don't think this method shows anything.

Interesting approach. We should look into this further and see if it's a fluke or actually an indicator of something.

If so, I can create a bot to aggregate this data and do some kind of cross-reference analysis.

My only fear is turning it into a "shill" witch hunt with false positives. It might be best for the bot to post weekly reports into its own subreddit and subscribers here could reference the data.

Maybe the option to message the bot a username query and it'll reply to you with a report.

We need something to fight this very obvious nonsense.

I do not suspect this will be possible for very long. Lets hope government bureaucracy will work in our favor for once and it will take some time for them to fix it.

So I am not entirely convinced. Just wanted your opinion as I am still seeing the same behaviour.

Did the site start working again for you? Still in read only mode for me.

If you enter peoples' names into the browser address bar, then you should still be able to see the profiles.

http://snoopsnoo.com/u/NAME

Just change the name and it appears to still work.

HA if that stops working within 15 minutes we will have our answer.

So I am not entirely convinced. Just wanted your opinion as I am still seeing the same behaviour.

The lurk here and post mocking topics on other subreddits using useful idiots and other shills for down votes if you talk about the wrong things.

Smart shops will not use the posting accounts to vote brigade. They will have 'passive redditor bots' which click on all the articles in reading patterns and upvote targets which are selected via heuristics, watch lists, or triggers added to queues by human analysts. (Who in turn might be the shills you have identified)

The only way to succeed here without having access to all of Reddits own data, is to create timeline models.of user activity over time and correlate the downvoting activity.

This takes months before any meaningul patterns are discernable. You must also take into account the patterns of heavy regular user traffic and develop a weighting system depending on time of day.

You must also maintain several accounts yourself, some of which are 'control group' accounts. When an account of yours is added to a watchlist, the data becomes less useful. Corporate sponsored shill rooms keep more or less 9/5 hours plus a small late shift. State sponsored outfits will use rotating shifts to cover 24/7 with slightly less aggressive activity but more intense data/intel collection.

Bots run 24/7.

I think they're in read-only mode (for maintenance, maybe?) - so you'll see data from people that have been searched before, but no new data. So probably not a shill-indicator, more like a "hasn't been looked up before" indicator, which could just mean a new account, which could mean anything.

FWIW, if you go to the user page, it looks like you can prompt it to refresh - but not sure if that's working or not, "processing" seems to go awhile, but that might just be normal.

Perhaps, though it was doing the same thing before it went into read only...

Seems to be somewhat working now though you do still see that working page on suspect accounts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_KmNZNT5xw

There's an option in account settings that allows you to hide your votes from the public. I do it to avoid people using my votes against me.

One look through my post/comment history should convince you that I'm not a shill, I just like my privacy.

You do not trigger the odd working page on snoopsnoo. Though Hasbara may do things differently.....just kidding.

protected and managed through reddit no doubt.

a merger of corporate and secret govt depts.

hmm never seen the site in read only mode. Must be they are connecting the sockpuppet database to it ;)