Never noticed any in South America.

Rural Southern California here. I have been out on disability for almost a year with nothing better to do than stare out the window all day. On days when I see clouds coming east from the ocean, the planes spray huge trails all day. It is not normal contrails , and it never happens on clear days. It seems like they are trying to make the clouds come inland .

That is usually what i see. Before a front. Today was the nicest spring day yet this year no clouds all morning no spray. Then they hammered the sky and turned it into a haze. Thanks for checking in.

Look at the High Altitude of these beauties!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKjsuxhVqP4

fuck its happening.

Everything is awesome!

Before a front.

I think it's worth noting that in many (most?) cases when a cold front moves in, it sets up conditions that are favorable for persistent contrails.

The air parcel is (obviously) colder, and maybe more importantly it's a lot more humid - maybe not humid enough to have full on clouds, but humid enough that contrails wont sublimate

https://40.media.tumblr.com/8b29d5c2ad08bad4f5df3959efe4ab67/tumblr_mgzpswGOMb1s0t92to1_500.jpg

well, it's been happening ever since higher altitude planes took to the sky, so in the overall Earth time-scale, I can suppose that it is not 'normal'.

I mean, it's only been happening since the 30s-40s

That is usually what i see. Before a front

The conditions for persistent contrails to form depend on pressure, temperature, and humidity. Those optimum conditions usually precede a cold wet front coming in.

On days when I see clouds coming east from the ocean, the planes spray huge trails all day

The conditions for persistent contrails to form depend on pressure, temperature, and humidity. Those optimum conditions usually precede a cold wet front coming in.

I live in a rural area outside Dallas and commute to the city daily. The urban area is more effected but we get them sometimes. They seem to concentrate their efforts on the city but we get them sometimes.

Northern Ontario Canada here. Haven't noticed them in a while but I've witnessed this happen on a few occasions around a month ago.

Same scenario, clear sunny days. A few planes go by and leave a heavy trail behind them that within an hour or so turns into milky white wispy looking clouds that eventually cover the sky.

Not sure what is exactly happening but I thank Crow777 for introducing me to this practice.

Here's a little video that clued me into it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYFziJneJxE

They aren't occurring anywhere

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-oJt_5JvV4

Just use some rational thinking.

If chemtrails were true, that would mean that all the mechanics who know their aircraft intimately (thousands of them), for all the airlines all around the world, are keeping quiet about any apparatus that is not standard for their aircraft.

Everyday grunts who don't get paid that much are silent on this??

No, in fact, aircraft mechanics will tell you that it is not happening.

There is no mass coverup - just look at the logistics logically. It's the people that believe in this BS that are the sheep.

Ever heard of cloud seeding?

Chemtrails are very real. They just don't call them Chemtrails.

I have

and what I'm referring to is contrails - those clouds formed in the right conditions from aircraft exhaust. The thing that people point up to in the shy sky and say 'Ooo, chemtrails!!" The thing that OP is trying to talk about.

Cloud seeding involves clouds that are already in the sky (hence the name) - and are nothing like contrails you'd see on a relatively clear day

*Edit - It should also be noted that cloud seeding is fairly well documented, and is not a conspiracy.

Nobody argues that contrails exist. Though that certainly dosent mean that their are no such thing as chemtrails. When you look outside and see a bunch of "Contrails" in grid formation http://imgur.com/a/2Sjdr it understandably raises a few questions.

umm, well airliners fly North-South and East-West, so that easily explains any grid pattern.

pretty simple, really.

Hang on, are you suggesting that there's not a cover up?

when it comes to contrails caused by airliners that are labeled as 'chemtrails', yes, I am suggesting that there is no coverup - see my remarks about aircraft mechanics.

Sorry, brit here, was being ironic, I agree

oh, must have missed that - really should add a '/s' (sarcasm) tag I guess

My bad. Enjoyed your posts.

no worries dude, thanks ;)

Airliners fly in what ever direction their destination is in. And even if they did all fly like that, it dosent completly explain the grid pattern. Their are usually around 10+ planes that make these grids, and I have seen them above my house. I am also far away from any airport, so all those planes that close together producing a grid like that is very strange

they fly close in pattern because of flight-paths

and no, they just don't necessarily fly directly to their destination - think of it as interstates in the sky. You don't need to live near an airport, because they are just flying over.

So then why are these such rare events? Why arent their contrail grids everytime I look up in the sky? It seems strange that once in a blue moon, the arline companys are going decide to fly all their planes over my house.

because favorable flight paths shift due to storms, movement of the jetstream, etc.

it's pretty fluid, and not rigid at all - you could look at flight path animations for different dates, and you'll see the change. Sure, the hubs remain the same, but the longer paths can shift by a couple hundred miles sometimes. (not that much if its a trans-continental flight-path, really)

So any reasoning as to why a contrail would stop apearing? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSx44akT8As

Sure - see my crude illustration HERE

The altitude at which conditions for persistent contrails is not constant, and a aircraft's cruising altitude is relatively constant. During flight, an aircraft could fly through zones that are favorable, or unfavorable.

Conditions favorable to persistent contrails (see ice-blooms) are sub freezing air that is high in humidity. In favorable conditions, the exhaust vapor freezes. This creates more nucleation sites, and other moisture in the air freezes - this can propagate until there is a haze of ice crystals.

In conditions unfavorable, vapor still may freeze, but it quickly evaporates (or more correctly, sublimates) because of low humidity.

Well thats all I got. Thanks for pointing those out for me.

Sure - glad to contribute

hold up, i got something on this. why does the air smell like aerosol, when the conditions permit it, shortly after these things 'chemicals' are dispersed?

why does the air smell like aerosol

that is not a thing - that's like saying "why does the air smell like solution"

Thanks for sharing.

They run drones. Look up patent number 7413145. Who owns that patent? Why, CIA's own Evergreen Air. Go figure. Do some research, or maybe you know and you're just shilling on reddit for your nine to five.

what people refer to as creating 'chemtrails' are not drones - just common airliners.

grab a good pair of binoculars and look up the next time you think you are seeing 'chemtrails', and you'll see that it's an airliner that you can identify to even what airline company it's from (united, southwest, AA, etc)

And am in no way a 'shill' - I just hate seeing easily debunkable 'conspiracies' here. It takes away from the very real conspiracies that happen, and make others look at you like you should be wearing a tinfoil hat.

Don't be the 'boy who cried wolf'.

What happened with evergreen?

They filed a bankruptcy after the re-org that split up the operations, didn't they?

This is such a bad argument. What about all the aircraft mechanics that work on special access projects, why don't they come forward? We know there are all sorts of unknown black projects, no body disputes that. By your logic all the aircraft mechanics that work on these projects should be coming forward, but they don't. The reason is it's their job to keep quiet, and there is a heavy price for talking. The military has been successfully keeping aircraft mechanics quiet for a long time now, and they are very good at it.

I was just going to write to chime on that on boston area I do not see them all that often bit notice op is from the new england area..

I keep an eye to the sky and do not find them on a daily or weekly basis.

Edit: consistent basis.

EDIT: Possible snow in the morning!

I'm in rural NW High Desert and we're drowning in the soup today. It's 51 F but the report says it feels like 61 F. No. It feels just chill enough to trust that thermometer outside at 50 F! By Mon. it's going to be 77 F and that's a 27 degree jump? We're going to take a twenty six degree plunge between Mon and Tues. Milking the skies to make it rain on Tuesday?

Ground temp doesn't matter. Currently at 51 F but it could be 105 F and still the skies will get mucked when they want to push weather systems around.

If I could, I would be moving my tribe well South. I like Seasons but extended Winter is in the charts.

In the Berkshires, not today. Not a cloud in the sky. Saw a small contrail. Saw an intentional smoke trail from a stunt plane. No chemtrail today, but first real warm day of spring.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-oJt_5JvV4

Airliners fly in what ever direction their destination is in. And even if they did all fly like that, it dosent completly explain the grid pattern. Their are usually around 10+ planes that make these grids, and I have seen them above my house. I am also far away from any airport, so all those planes that close together producing a grid like that is very strange

Hang on, are you suggesting that there's not a cover up?