No pics or video of the body, so it didn't happen. We saw Hussein's body and ghadaffis.

But it was super secret with stealth helicopters! I mean, a movie was even made about it! /s

Based on a true story.

One million/billion dollar helicopter malfunctioned during the operation and it crashed, thereby disabling its cloaking device. Here is a picture of it with secondary cloaking devices. You have to look real hard before you can spot it.

How did an elite pilot land the tail over a wall like that?

Died a long while back. US government made the videos to fear-control US population into pumping money into Defense corporations. He got long in the tooth and the vids looked too fakey, so they had to kill him off with the raid. No body funeral is just icing on the cake. Killing off the seal team that participated is the cherry on top.

Wait... the seal team that participated in that raid is dead!?

http://21stcenturywire.com/2013/10/18/did-part-of-seal-team-six-die-in-helicopter-explosion-during-bin-laden-raid/

I hadn't heard that myself, but it seems to have verification

Smells pretty bad, eh?

Since I first heard the news that he'd been killed, I'd doubted it. It seemed to line up too perfectly for Obama with a story that had little validation other than Presidential backing, but I'd only just heard about the Seals team.

No, some SEALs from Team Six (a large team) died in a helicopter incident (I believe it was an RPG) but none of the Team Six members from the Bin Laden raid were on it. SEAL Team Six consists of four assault teams, one recon & surveillance team, one transports/drivers squadron, and one selection/training squadron.

The assault team involved in the alleged Bin Laden raid were Red Squadron, while the SEALs that died in the helicopter incident were from Gold Squadron.

this is accurate from what we know.

The hit on the SEAL team is what is strange and i don't mean conspiracy theory (they knew to much) angle.

I think the ISI was involved in killing the SEALs as payback for what went down in Pakistan. ISI are involved with the Taliban and its possible they knew where DEVGRU members were operating from and they were apart of the QRF.

yeah the "seal team" they told us about on tv they are all "dead"

If I recall correctly, yes.

I remember hearing about how the top players (club of Rome?) like to use reversed names. Then talking about Nidal, anyone got a link? Google is no use any more...

Post Tora-Bora videos of OBL look like bullshit doubles. Benazhir Bhutto said he was dead, murdered by someone already in US custody; then she got assassinated.

I'm going to collect the whole set! My favorite is chubby-Laden.

It's well known that I was "out of theater" prior to 2004. There were rumors of Bush claiming a kill as part of the 2004 election campaign, but major democratic party members publicly balked; the result was a toned down fake video attacking Bush which is said to have thrown the election to Bush anyway.

Anywho. What does out of theater mean? You probably need a good grasp of who I am first. CIA? Duh. No way I am first generation - the mission is too sensitive. So we're talking parents, maybe grandparents in the CIA.

Afghan theater in the 80s? I need the ability to speak Russian for sure.

Obviously we need to pull off the whole Muslim thing too. Childhood madrassa education? Speak Arabic? Of course.

If you include my tall stature, just the above might narrow you down to maybe 1 or 2 people in the whole world: a second or third generation CIA operative that speaks Russian and Arabic above 6' tall with darkish skin.

Maybe this isn't quite specific enough though. Brzezinski ran the CIA program in Afghanistan, so we're probably looking for someone in his orbit. In particular, he'd be in the orbit of Brzezinski in the early 80s when the whole shebang kicks off. Perhaps a student at Columbia where Brzezinski was a faculty member would be a good pool to search though.

Next we want someone whose whereabouts can't be confirmed in the late 80s / early 90s. A dubious cover story, perhaps with few people remembering me there is a big red flag. As a completely random example, imagine you know someone that claimed to go to Harvard during this time but whose alleged classmates/teachers don't remember him.

In the early 90s, we start flying in the eventual patsies for 9/11. So I probably don't have a time consuming job at this point. Perhaps "writing an autobiography" in my early 30s or something.

Later, we have a couple confirmed sitings in eastern Europe related to possible nuke smuggling / black market dealing, although only in the summer for a few consecutive years. This would be consistent with, say, a job as a state legislative branch that is only in session during the winter in the late 90s.

Finally, since everyone knows elections are rigged to shit, we should probably not even really hide my real identity because LOL what are the slaves going to do about it anyway?

Truth is stranger than fiction, truly.

Well done, and probably far more accurate than many are aware.

Like there is only one Sheik Omar. She probably meant Mullah Omar, the head of the Taliban and former head of state of Afghanistan. It would not be surprising if he was the one actually offed in the raid in Abbottabad.

He died back in 2001 most likely. If not then it was definitely far before the "official" raid.

The videos showing him getting younger and younger say it all really.

Correct. In an interview Pakistan's ex pm also said that Osama was killed back in 2001-2002. She was later assassinated.

I've seen that interview and that is no proof whatsoever. She mentioned it very casually as part of telling her story. The interviewer didn't blink, didn't ask follow up questions, nothing. To me it seemed like it was either a slip up or she was referring to something else.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxMBkWY_uZY

However, I do believe he died much earlier and that our official story is horse shit.

this. to continue the 'narrative'.

OEF Vet, deployed in 2008, operators were telling us he had been dead since 2006

Most wanted man on the planet? Oh we just... tossed him into the ocean.

We took pics though. we're not going to show them to you though. Here's a clowny low res video though.

Idk but it's weird that they refused to show pictures of him. The security of the photo is so high it'll never leak or it doesn't exist

I have no facts, I have speculations. The facts have been withheld from us by the government and government agencies and the military.

I suspect that the raid on the compound in Pakistan was a staged event. By that I mean it was a real raid, but it was not spontaneous -- it was timed for political effect. US forces did go to this compound, but we have no idea what they did there. The video of the event has been withheld from us.

The fact that Bin Laden's body was never put on display, or photographed by independent photographers, and the assertion that it was dumped into the ocean, also without witnesses, strongly suggests that it was not Bin Laden's body. Or that there was no body at all. The whole "burial at sea" nonsense is so ridiculous, I've never encountered anyone who believes it.

The facts exist. There are those who know what went on during the raid, and what was done with Bin Laden. There are undoubtedly videos of everything -- the raid, the shooting, the autopsy, the burial at sea (if it actually occurred).

Everything about the raid stinks. Remember when everyone was sitting around the White House, supposedly watching the raid live? And it turned out they weren't really watching anything? All staged, all faked.

It may be, as many assert, that Bin Laden died years ago, and for reasons of their own the government has been keeping his myth alive. It may be that Bin Laden was always a collaborator with the CIA, and had no real role in 9-11, and that the White House finally decided it was time to execute him (this is the speculation I am favoring in my own mind). But we don't have the facts, so we can't know for certain.

I believe he was a patsy in the truest sense of the word.

I recently met a guy who was part of the nuclear program on the USS Carl Vinson, and he claims he saw the video feed of the black body bag going over the side. I talked to him about it for a little while. I would say he believes they dumped his body overboard, or at least a body...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2236617/Revealed-Military-emails-NO-U-S-sailors-witnessed-Osama-bin-Ladens-secret-burial-sea.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/21/osama-bin-laden-death_n_2172275.html

Daily Mail & Huffington Post (among others) both confirm emails between officials claiming no US soldiers saw the burial. Also, the first indicates he was wrapped in a white sheet, not a black body bag, and that the Defence Department claim they can find no images or videos of Bin Laden being aboard the USS Carl Vinson.

I'm not saying you're lying about meeting the guy, but if you did he probably made up seeing any video feed.

To be fair it says,

The deceased's body was washed (ablution) then placed in a white sheet. The body was placed in a weighted bag.

So, it is possible that the weighted bag he was placed in was black.
He told me there was a rumor a couple heavy weights went missing from the workout facility. Could be complete BS, but thought it was interesting...
At first I was like holy shit you were on the deck? Hadn't seen the two articles you linked then. But he said no, but he saw the bag going over the side via a television set.
It is kind of interesting the way it says there were no sailors who saw the ceremony/burial. I could see this as equal to, "there were no sailors on the deck during the ceremony/burial."
Ah it says,

indicate that no sailors watched Osama bin Laden's burial at sea

it would be easy to interpret that as watched from the sidelines, or with their own eyes.
He also said only a single person, or very few people, were in the room that shows the location they dropped the body. Thought that was interesting because someone should know the long/lat in the sea.
The dude is in a class with me currently, and shit... See him most days, but hardly speak.

Remember when everyone was sitting around the White House, supposedly watching the raid live? And it turned out they weren't really watching anything? All staged, all faked.

Amazing. I remember thinking this was bullshit and I remember seeing stories recently about how that whole thing was staged.

Now looking for the article I cannot find it.

I saw an interview with Clinton where she talked about that famous picture of them all sitting around the room watching the raid. She had her mouth covered as if she was watching in awe, but she admitted she was coughing/sneezing and the photo was just well timed.

Doesn't matter though, the photo will always look just as dramatic.

The whole "burial at sea" nonsense is so ridiculous, I've never encountered anyone who believes it.

Before reading this thread I believed it and knew absolutely nobody who didn't believe it...

Everything about the raid stinks. Remember when everyone was sitting around the White House, supposedly watching the raid live? And it turned out they weren't really watching anything? All staged, all faked.

Link?

There is no solid evidence of him being alive after 2001.

This of course is perfect for the true culprits of 9/11, the guy you're blaming cant defend himself if he's dead.

Honestly, 9/11 would have been the greatest achievement of his life. I'm absolutely sure if he did it and was alive, he would have released countless, CLEAR videos of himself talking about it or celebrating it. I mean, what a great recruitment opportunity right?

Did Osama Bin Laden even exist? Was it a character of CIA asset Tim Osman?. We will likely never know.

Word was out as early as 2002 that Bin Laden died of renal failure in Afghanistan. All the "videos the MSM used to keep the American sheep afraid was all theater. They gotta have a boogy man.

Osama Bin Laden Dead Since 2001 (Benazir Bhutto Says Osama Bin Laden Dead In 2007)

Too honest to live. RIP Benazir Bhutto.

Why does it matter? He had nothing to do with 9/11. He was a CIA asset. He was used for almost a decade as a boogey man to scare the American public into the Patriot Act and a bunch of other nonsense.

Show me the body! Photos that look like him in each and every one of them. No he isn't dead and may never have existed. Any time the U.S. Government says anything it's a lie.

Why should the government show you the body? To ease the speculations of conspiracy-minded forums?

Why shouldn't the government show the body? It would majorly incite groups sympathetic to Bin Laden and Al Qaeda.

You're gonna have to make a better argument for why the pros outweigh the cons on this one.

Why should the government show the body? To prove at least one time that they aren't all lying pieces of shit, that's why. Nobody believes anything that comes out of the Obama White House. Nothing. They have zero confidence of the people.

But you're wrong. Most people believe Osama was killed in the raid. If it were all a lie, why haven't even adversarial governments with vast intelligence agencies blown the story? Instead, it just lives on fringe conspiracy boards.

to preface, i dont trust our government, and this is why, if i was a government official, i wouldnt release osamas pictures of him being dead until about 5-7 years after it happned based on the fact that the terrorists groups out there could use his death as a rally cry.

They already have Allah, and they seem to be using that one just fine. Use your thinkin' parts. What tangible change do you think would happen in the world if they had a picture of Dead Osama? Anyway, they already have the fake Dead Osama picture and they didn't rally around that when it was first released.

Dont insult me when you clearly cant think for your self. These idiots do have allah, but they also follow their leaders and are willing to do what they say including killing themselves. Now you can believe they think there going to heaven, but ive seen this go down in real life, the guy disnt look like he was ok that he was about to kill himself, he didnt do it for allah. But for the man that lead him.

Ok, I'm not interested in a flame war, but you tell me I can't think for myself in the same breath as telling me not to insult you (I didn't.) A picture of Osama bin Laden's body is incapable of leading anyone, let alone tell them what to do. You aren't making any sense for your argument.

These idiots do have allah, but they also follow their leaders and are willing to do what they say including killing themselves.

So do American military servicemen and women, it's no different.

No, i guarantee there has never been a U.s. commander that has asked one of his guys to blow themselves up and kill innocent civilians In this war. Your trying to stretch a narrative that doesnt fit. Theres a difference between blindly following orders and rationally thinking about an accurate strategy to eliminate an enemy.

IDK, most everybody I know believes it...

If you surround yourself with conspiracy groups maybe it appears otherwise.

oh youre using the highly scientific 'consensus of opinions' method so popular these days.

LOL no I'm not saying the consensus is neccisarily right, I'm just saying that "nobody believes anything that comes out of the Obama White House. Nothing. They have zero confidence of the people."is total BS. Popular opinion matters when you're talking about popular opinion.

'consensus of opinions' method

Oh, the irony. r/conspiracy is one big echo chamber.

Obviously not. I'd say the voting issues aside, there's plenty of debate that takes place. If you post an opposing view, that doesn't mean you're some kind of outsider and you don't count as someone in /r/conspiracy.

Show me the proof.

Uh, because they are supposed to represent the people? Do you really think these groups are going to be more excited if we show a picture?

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He obviously died years ago. The only footage of him was from 2001 or before. Nothing new was released since then, except the blatantly obvious fakes -> http://www.wtfrly.com/wp-content/911truth/fakebinladen1.jpg

Osama bin Laden died a long time ago. Probably from complications as a result of being on dialysis.

Who knows? We can be sure what didn't happen, but we won't likely know the truth for decades.

pics or it didn't happen

Come on, was there ever even a boogie man named Osama? From a family so god-like that they were the only ones allowed to fly after 911, with french kissing ties between the Bush and Bin Laden Family, at least a half a dozen character actors with different faces heights and dominant hands played him. a secret death and burial without any documentation (remember how Ike documented the holocaust to insure it was never doubted?)...

I have a hard time believing he was on dialysis regularly while on the run. He's long dead. A boogeyman that will never be caught.

Many reputable people have claimed that Bin Laden died in 2001 of either liver of kidney failure, I don't know, but I think that is very feasible. Who better to blame it on than an ex-CIA asset who can't tell anyone the truth because he is dead?

Also, if they killed the real Bin Laden why did they dump the body with no evidence that it was even him?

OBL needed dialysis treatments lasting approx 3 hours per session, at least 3 sessions per week. There are specific treatment criteria that must be met for successful dialysis.

How many places can a guy receive treatment while he's on the run? I think he died from complications long ago.

Immortal Technique - Cause Of Death

How do you know that he ever existed?

His "official" death was also reported and "confirmed" in multiple places in the days/week before the May 1st 2011 raid...

...

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1ktf9n/government_of_usa_asked_to_prove_osama_bin_ladens/

According to the email there were plans underway for a burial on the 29th April, 2011. However, the announcement about Osama Bin Laden’s killing was made on the 1st of May, 2011. This implies that the president knowingly lied to the whole world about the date that the terrorist was killed. According to Barnett, there are several emails that prove that the actual mission took place in 28th April and not 1st May as the president claims.

There were multiple news reports in the week before Obama's May 1st announcement, about "a confirmed missile strike killing bin laden."

I was following this thread from the start, and tons of people went back on the girl's twitter page and confirmed that she did make that post on april 28th. I don't know shit about twitter but everyone that does seems to agree that you can't go back and change the dates on stuff...

edit; thread filled up quick with idiots and trolls trying to make people think they're funny, so I'll add this here. Her twitter is private now, so you can't go on it unless you friend her or whatever, but before that happened, and you can see this in the thread I link to above, hundreds of people including me were able to go on, go back through her old posts, and see it/take screengrabs.

This isn't about fox news or their credibility, and it's not about "believing everything you see on twitter," it's about the fact that stories ran about osamas death 3 days before the president came on tv and told a hole-filled, soon-to-completely-change fairytale, and people are still citing it/talking about it like what he told us was the whole truth and nothing but.

from three days before obama's announcement that they just got him... http://i.imgur.com/XfBv97d.png

Hi everyone. This is my first post.

I wanted to let everyone know that the Fox News channel's ticker reported Bin Laden's death on April 28th, 2011...a few days before Obama and all other media reported it!!

You can go to www.twitter.com/MegNeverLands and check for the post about it. That's my Twitter account & I posted about it when I saw it on tv that day, because I thought it was super weird that it was being reported on Fox News, but it wasn't breaking news, nor was it on any network.

then it was 'confirmed' by multiple mainstream reporters/journalists...

• http://i.imgur.com/EDHEuC5.jpg "All the News sources are in Synch. Bin Laden is dead. Killed a week ago, delay was waiting for DNA match."

• http://i.imgur.com/oHd7G6E.jpg "U.S. MISSILE STRIKE KILLED OSAMA BIN LADEN ONE WEEK AGO... DNA TEST HAS CONFIRMED... FOX NEWS"

• geraldo talking about it being a week-old confirmed missile attack at about 8:30 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB8WH73fdkg

There are the obvious general concerns about it. However my particular complaint is that - assuming everything else is true -

1. Seal Six killed bin Laden.
2. We were then told it was a kill mission.

That second agreement conflicts with my understanding of how special forces operate.

Why not send cruise missiles if it was a kill all mission? Seal Six are very expensive and bad pr to lose.

Special forces are not supposed to kill everyone. There are always hostages or high value targets to capture. That's the whole point of the mission.

If I am right, why in the Bin Laden raid was that basic principle violated.

Also

To this day there is still no coherent version of when the special forces helicopter was lost. It's either as they arrive or as they are leaving. Versions differ.

The fates of Seal Team Six tells you everything you need to know.

But fwiw, neighbors of the compound send a chopper landed, blew up, then other choppers came. Seems like some sort of "switch" went down. Never was a body and their lack of any firm proof is telling.

What members who killed bin laden died in the crash?

When the fuck did we start killing our most wanted enemies and than dump their bodies overboard into the ocean .....I can tell you when... NEVER

motherfucker was on dialysis and was treated by an english doctor which was reported in a (French?) media outlet... probably dead since 2002, he was simply the 21st century Emanuel Goldstein

Great white house 2 minutes of hate party though ! NYC for a close 2nd tho!

Bin-La-AY! We gon party like its your death day! edit: international version

USA ! USA ! USA Etc...

check out

David Ray Griffin's Book Bin Laden: Dead or Alive?

Times of London

Edition 5L THU 01 NOV 2001, Page 5

Ailing bin Laden ‘treated secretly for kidney disease'

ADAM SAGE IN PARIS; OVERSEAS NEWS

KIDNEY stones rather than Stealth bombers could deal a mortal blow to Osama bin Laden it appeared yesterday after reports that the al-Qaeda leader recently smuggled himself into an expensive Gulf hospital. Needing urgent treatment for his ailing kidneys, bin Laden, 44, is said to have checked into the American Hospital in Dubai in July. Among those with him, it is thought, was Dr Ayman Zawahiri, who as well as being his personal physician is al-Qaeda's second-in-command.

The report in Le Figaro and on Radio France International said that bin Laden had stayed in hospital for ten days. There have been persistent rumours about the frailty of bin Laden's health. In recent videos he is generally not seen moving about. When he does take a few steps it is with the aid of a cane. Aides blame a back injury. Intelligence sources believe that bin Laden bought a dialysis machine earlier this year which he had shipped to Kandahar. His problem now will be operating such equipment and the risk of infection if, as seems likely, he is hiding out in Afghan mountains.

Last year the magazine Asiaweek said bin Laden was dying of a kidney disease. In desperation he is said to have turned to the United Arab Emirates, one of the three governments that recognised the Taleban regime. Bin Laden is known to have influential supporters in the Emirates and to have kept substantial funds in bank accounts there. He is believed to have flown out of Dubai on the morning of the September 11 hijackings.

According to Western diplomatic sources the UAE was the nearest safe destination for bin Laden to get the high quality, modern and urgent treatment he needed. Quoting an unnamed manager at the American Hospital, Le Figaro said that bin Laden arrived in Dubai on July 4 accompanied by four bodyguards, an Algerian male nurse and Dr Zawahiri, who stayed at his side at all times. They had flown to Dubai from Quetta in Pakistan. The newspaper said that bin Laden was treated in the urology department, run by Terry Callaway, a Canadian-trained doctor, and left on July 14. Dr Callaway is a specialist in kidney stones and male infertility.

During his stay, Le Figaro said, bin Laden was visited by a CIA agent. One source said that the US agent was "recognised taking the main lift in the hospital to go to Osama bin Laden's room". The agent was recalled to the US on July 15, the day after bin Laden left hospital, the newspaper said. The CIA last night flatly denied the report. Its spokeswoman, Anya Guelsher, said that it was "complete nonsense".

A diplomatic source said earlier: "There are lots of rumours flying around Dubai. At first sight, it seems highly unlikely that a member of the CIA would go and knock on bin Laden's hospital bedroom door." Bernard Koval, the director of the 100-bed hospital that opened in 1995, also denied that bin Laden had been a patient there. Dr Callaway was unavailable for comment.

Intelligence sources in France also questioned yesterday what US agents did with information that Paris passed to America about bin Laden's terrorist ambitions just a few days before September 11. One of his lieutenants, Djamel Beghal, a French-Algerian, who had been arrested in Dubai on his way back from Afghanistan to Europe, allegedly told police that he had been told by al-Qaeda to plan a terrorist attack on the US Embassy in Paris. Le Figaro said that on September 7 the French intelligence service met embassy officials in Paris to pass on the information.

© 2001 London Times

The thing that disgusted me the most with the whole Osama assassination hoax was seeing all of the lemmings flock to the streets afterwards to celebrate their own ignorance. The news showed people across the nation all cheering in the streets like their team had just won the big game. High-fives, pats on the back, RAH RAH RAH 'MERICA #1!!! I wanted to throw up. It was all so incredibly embarrassing.

I seen one local man on youtube saying the house that was raided was definitely not his house.

My guess is that they tried to get him and got fucked up by OBL's security team. Think about the world wide reaction if legendary SeAL team 6 had that much time to prepare for a raid and failed. The Pentagon, I mean MSM, would use the same old routine of just making things up completely and painting a picture that furthers the interests of Merica.

OP mocks US government's proof

Posts pure speculation

r/conspiracy in a nutshell

Yup, now you get how conspiracy theories work, maybe you can contribute to a healthy theory sometime! You see within the framework of a proper conspiracy, collusion must take place in utmost secrecy. Unfortunately that leaves non-conspirators with little evidence and much speculation. Similar to court deliberation things like motive and suspicion are debated alongside any limited evidence.

Luckily, OP noticed that our federal government (which has a colorful history of deep conspiracy and flagrant opacity) has taken part in blatant evidence suppression and then OP asked for our opinion on the topic. In no way is this proof of Osama bin Laden's cause of death, but its a step towards constructing a solid theory that supports collusion to suppress evidence and maybe more.

Have you noticed anything odd about the incident or are you just going to troll around here like a baby back bitch?