Based on my non-scientific observation of that photo, the Sun looks smaller there than it does on Earth, and since Mars is further away from the Sun than Earth is, I'm going to say the photo is genuine.

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Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

So...because it has hills it must be Earth?

Who said the photo is 'science'? It isnt. Its a photo that NASA has released for people to enjoy. A photo is not science.

You say nothing about it indicates it isnt Earth? You're wrong. Clearly the size of the sun indicates it isnt Earth.

Why would they release the photo if it wasn't genuine?

This is the most idiotic thread I've ever seen, up there with Flat Earth shit. Thanks for making us all look like nutjobs.

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Yea why would any other U.S. government organization lie to anyone for anything ?

Thats not what I said. Have you seen my post history?

My question was why would NASA release a fake Mars sunset photo. Nothing about anyone or anything else.

My question was why would NASA release a fake Mars sunset photo.

To make gullible people like you think that we really have rovers on Mars so you will continue to support NASA. Also I did watch the whole press conference and if you think that Adam Steltzner is a legit (high school drop out) "rocket scientist" that was in charge of sending the rovers to Mars than you can't think for yourself.

You probably believe that Neil and Buzz really walked on the Moon too, lol? I don't understand why people still think that NASA is different from any other aspect of the Government and is actually honest.

If there's one thing Americans are crazy about it's NASA. People are just rabid NASA fans. In high school every single kid wants to grow up to be an astronaut because these big time astronauts are in their face all day. They know if they can just get onto the right space crew their whole lives will be different. They will get big endorsements from shoe companies. They can buy their mom that new house she's always wanted.

The thing is, this focus on space can distract kids from their schoolwork, and society is okay with it. Student astronauts can let their grades slide and the schools will just hire tutors for them. If they get caught in minor crimes the police will let them off the hook because they are such big space nerd fans. What's worse is that even in domestic violence incidents astronauts often get away with it. Hell, there was a case in Steubenville, Ohio where a bunch of teen astronauts sexually assaulted a girl and school officials helped cover it up. That's how obsessed with NASA this country is.

In a way it's just a ruse to help them escape the doldrums of their day-to-day life. It keeps them from talking about important issues because they are focused on what NASA is up to. What astronaut is going to what space crew and whatnot. As for me I don't worry about that stuff, but I can understand why people do. I would have saved a lot of money on college if I'd had one of those big space scholarships, but I just had my little academic scholarship that barely paid for books.

lol epic

And here we support these college level astronauts in the face of rape allegations and stolen crab legs just because they bring home galactic championship trophies... We should be ashamed.

Yep, he was team leader. Ie, he had a huge team beneath him working on their areas of speciality.

I'm a team leader, but that doesn't make me an expert on all that my team members do. And it certainly doesn't mean I'm a good public speaker.

I'm 50/50 on Neil and Buzz, but the rest appear to be genuine at this point.

Troll detected.

Im guessing it's you since you are commenting on a thread with zero points?

No, I'm talking about the top mind that says they don't believe we landed on the moon or have a rover on mars.

Did you watch the press conference with Adam Steltzner the Mars "team leader"?

You should do more research before you call people nut jobs.

Research on what?

The fact that NASA is no different than any other aspect of the Government and is a complete fraud.

Lol. So theres no space program?

Ok buddy.

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Ah, leader of the flat earth gang comes out to defend his cronies.

I am the leader? Interesting? I was speaking with two pilots tonight at a bar and neither could not prove ball earth and another elder man stepped in and stated he had never lost a debate on flat earth and I sat back in astonishment but yet I am the leader. OK

A pilots job is to operate an aircraft.

I'm not sure why you would expect them to be experts on ways to prove the Earth is round. Its not something sane people question, ever.

Real sane people question everyone and everything.

Questioning is fine... but believing in a theory you have zero evidence for is just nuts. Flat earth is a fucking joke, and anyone who believes in it is crazy. I've seen a lot more of you types around here lately, and honestly I feel like its just people trying to make this sub look crazier than it actually is.

Who said zero evidence? Flat horizons, seeing Cuba from Key West, unchanging stars (constellations) for thousands of years, ability to see Chicago skyline from Michigan, seeing both New York and Philly skyscrapers from New Jersey, I can go on and on but won't change your mind, you need to do your own research. I will PayPal you $1000 if you can prove ball earth.

The name calling and ridicule don't help your argument and makes you look ignorant and bitter.

you need to do your own research

Translation: "If you've come to a different conclusion then me you obviously haven't researched anything."

I will PayPal you $1000 if you can prove ball earth.

No you wouldn't, because you won't accept anything I could possibly provide as evidence.

For instance, I could post this video of the Red Bull space jump where you can clearly see a rounded planet below him when he jumps. But I'm sure you'll tell me it's fake. I already know there's nothing I could say to you to "prove the earth is round" to you, because anything that does must obviously be faked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dt0QuBsGU20

How bout someone goes to space or does a really high jump like this that shows a flat earth? Why not send a balloon up and take shots of the flat Earth? There are high school kids who send these balloons up with cellphone cameras that get pictures of the curvature of the Earth... Why can't a single flat earther do that? Is it because they are wrong, or because they can't come up with the massive cash needed of like $300?

But whatever, I won't respond anymore. Arguing with a flat earther is pointless. You're either a troll or insane. Either way not worth talking to.

That is a fisheye lens go pro, check the shot when he is in the capsule which was a normal camera the horizon line is perfectly straight.

Finally, someone with the balls to announce to the entire world that they are the biggest imaginable buffoon; someone willing to do Olympic-level mental gymnastics to believe in a nonsense conspiracy theory with no conceivable whatsoever reason for being perpetrated.

One that would require millions of perfectly obedient conspirators and carefully orchestrated efforts, all day every day, for hundreds of years. What will be the reward for this undertaking, the greatest hoax in the history of the human race? Nothing whatsoever. That's right, the greatest act of magic in all of human history is basically being actively perpetrated by millions of people, costing trillions of dollars, requiring unwavering loyalty without any semblance of an information leak... for no reason at all. Brilliant, it's a shame that a top mind such as yourself will never find himself in a position of power greater than "gas station attendant," because if you were, we could really see some interesting and dynamic changes in this (completely flat) prison planet.

What's on the other side of this pancake that we all live on, I wonder? Why can't I use a telescope to see Japan, or the back of my own head for that matter? Given my understanding of your bold scientific theory, there's no reason I can't. Why is it that only lunatic fringe neckbeards would ever deign to espouse such a crackpot belief, I wonder... you would think that SOMEONE in a position of some respect would at least hint at this incredible revelation. Huh.

Wow more hate why don't you take that typing time and figure out the problem I posted to r/math or is it more fun to be an intellectual superior to me?

Now that the "problem" you posted to /r/math was solved I'm curious what insane rationalization you have to resort to now.

Pathetic.

There is a conspiracy behind his how exactly?

This picture is the result of their science. So I don't understand what you mean by your rant.

I trust NASA. It's as simple as that.

then what are you doing on r/conspiracy? cuz nasa = never a straight answer

Conspiracy = ignorant elitism

The greatest NAZA scientist who ever lived http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun

You're not showing me anything new. I don't have to believe von Braun or everyone who works and worked for NASA is and was a saint. Werner von Braun should have faced a court for using slave labor, but that doesn't undermine my trust in NASA.

Why do you blindly trust NASA? Have you never heard of "Project Paperclip" or "Operation Paperclip"? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

NASA was created by Nazi scientists. Do you really think they just changed there ideology just because they got a new color flag? Of course not.

Apparently you've never researched into the moon landing either? Why have we not been back in almost 50 years? Why have we never put a women on the moon?
Why did the Russians quite and never land a Cosmonaut on the moon? How did they get through the Van Allen radiation belts?

How did NASA lose all the 14,000 reels of telemetry data (the data that tells exactly how the made it to the moon). The biggest event in human history and they lose all the data??? I could go on and on about how obvious the scam is and I'm not trying to be mean to you at all, I'm just saying I know that you haven't researched very far into NASA if you still trust them.

Why have we never put a women on the moon?

Because no women were in the program back then, because all of the guys were former air force pilots and test pilots, and women did not do that during that era.

Why did the Russians quite and never land a Cosmonaut on the moon?

Waste of money. There is no value on the moon itself, the only value was being the first there and they lost. Why waste billions and billions of dollars to go kick some dirt around? Even by the end of our own Apollo program the moon landings and launches weren't even really being watched on TV. People lost interest.

Because no women were in the program back then

It's been almost 50 years why haven't we put a women on the moon yet? I'm not just talking about "back then". That would be a huge world wide event.

Waste of money. There is no value on the moon itself, the only value was being the first there

It would make history, the first Russian Cosmonaut to walk on the Moon, are you kidding me? You think they would just give up because the US went there first, you can't be serious. Especially since the US did it 6 times in four years showing how easy and safe it is.

I guess you think NASA losing all the telemetry data (14,000 reels) is just a coincidence as well? lol

It's been almost 50 years why haven't we put a women on the moon yet?

We haven't put anyone on the moon since. Are you saying we should go back to the moon merely to bring a woman along? The moon is a little too expensive to get to for merely a PR event.

You think they would just give up because the US went there first, you can't be serious.

I am, because that's what happened.

I guess you think NASA losing all the telemetry data (14,000 reels) is just a coincidence as well? lol

Coincidence? No, just a terrible fuck-up. You focus on that, but what about the rocks we brought back that have been distributed to hundreds of institutions and countries around the world for study? They didn't just lock them away, they gave a lot of them out. None of those people have come back and said they were terrestrial.

And what about the reflectors we left on the surface that are still used today to accurately track the movements of the Moon? Again, this is something numerous institutions use and it's not some NASA secret.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_experiment

What about the pictures that came from another countries probe and one of our own that show the landing sites and rover tracks?

https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/news/apollo-sites.html

http://gizmodo.com/5837658/new-detailed-images-show-lunar-landing-sites-at-higher-resolution/

http://www.space.com/12796-photos-apollo-moon-landing-sites-lro.html

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/apollo/revisited/

Here's some general info of third party evidence of the landing sites from India and China. Japan also has evidence but they are a close ally with the US so I wouldn't expect you to buy that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_evidence_for_Apollo_Moon_landings

So yeah, I do believe it. There's more evidence for than against.

We haven't put anyone on the moon since. Are you saying we should go back to the moon merely to bring a woman along? The moon is a little too expensive to get to for merely a PR event.

We did it 6 times in 4 years they tell us. That was in the 60's-70's should it not even be easier and more efficient now?

Here's some general info of third party evidence of the landing sites from India and China.

OMG you are using the Chinese space program as a reference. They did a terrible job at faking their space walk, you can see the air bubbles rising since they are in a water tank.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAYJjd3JGVY I know for a fact that you haven't actually researched into this for yourself because there is no way that you would could believe their BS if so.

Coincidence? No, just a terrible fuck-up.

LOL, how could they fuck up that bad, it is not possible! There is no explanation or excuse, you blindly trust NASA's authority and will believe anything they say.

That was in the 60's-70's should it not even be easier and more efficient now?

No. Rockets are still rockets, and they are still extremely expensive. Have passenger jets changed much from the 70s? Not really. Still shaped the same, still expensive to build, still use the same fuel, still have same types of wings, etc. They might have some lighter materials but that's about it. Going to the moon or anywhere in space still takes an extreme amount of thrust from a rocket which requires fuel. SpaceX is working on making launching payloads cheaper by re-using the first stage, but it's a complicated process and they are still working on it. That will just make it cheaper, not more "efficient".

The Saturn V rocket that took astronauts to the moon, to this day, are still the most powerful rocket ever made. That's how big and powerful they were... but that was extremely expensive, and in today's dollars, it would cost even more. And for what again, going back somewhere we've already been that doesn't really have anything interesting right now and zero return on investment?

OMG you are using the Chinese space program as a reference. They did a terrible job at faking their space walk, you can see the air bubbles rising since they are in a water tank.

You assume I'm not aware of that, but I am. I know they think that was faked, and it certainly appears that way. But we are talking about whether the US went to the moon or not, not whether China faked a spacewalk or not, right? China launching a probe that can take pictures is drastically different than a manned spacewalk. Also the probe was from 2010, the walk was from years before that. China landed a tiny rover on the moon last year too. Again, far less complicated than manned space flight. You're also ignoring the information from India and Japan by only focusing on China. Kind of a weak when you have to ignore everything else in that source. But that's what people do best here!

LOL, how could they fuck up that bad, it is not possible! There is no explanation or excuse, you blindly trust NASA's authority and will believe anything they say.

Your initial claim they lost all of the data was false by the way. The only thing that's missing are the original Apollo 11 tapes, which was one mission of many. The only thing of value they lost was the SSTV that was embedded on the tapes. The telemetry data was still recorded elsewhere. You seem to be claiming they lost ALL of it which isn't even the accusation most conspiracy theorists make. And you tell me that I haven't researched any of this? At least get your "facts" straight if you're going to reference it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_11_missing_tapes

And you blindly trust a lack of evidence and conspiracy sites... why is that superior? I'll take NASA, every other space agency in the world, and thousands of scientific institutes and researches throughout the globe who have plenty of evidence for the moon landings. But "LOL" all you want at me online, because everyone else is "LOLing" at you in real life or anywhere else other then this little hole you people post in here.

I won't bother replying anymore. It's pointless. Believe whatever you want and LOL all you want.

Doing my own research into the subject isn't blindly listening to some unnamed "conspiracy sites". All the evidence proving NASA is a fraud comes from NASA themselves!

Go back to /r/conspiratard so you can circle jerk with the other hive mind worshipers and yes I'll have to continue to lol when I come accross people that still think characters like Adam Steltzner are legitimate real scientists, even after watching that absolute joke of a press conference.

You're evidence proving NASA is a fraud is Youtube videos. If it was fake, wouldn't Russia have jumped at it?

Only Eschaton is bold and intelligent enough to know the truth. The 150 million or so Russians who would love to prove the US is inferior to their homeland are just too scared to watch Youtube videos and yap on the internet like a fucking stooge.

THAT takes courage and incredible mental acuity. It takes willingness to make incredible leaps of "logic," if you even want to call it that, and it takes a smug sense of superiority that only the most flaxen-haired neckbeards can muster.

Good on you, Eschaton, it takes massive balls to out yourself as such a legendary mental midget to the entirety of the internet.

We did it 6 times in 4 years they tell us. That was in the 60's-70's should it not even be easier and more efficient now?

The point still stands: easy, more efficient etc doesn't matter when there's no reason to.

They did a terrible job at faking their space walk, you can see the air bubbles rising since they are in a water tank.

Been through this with you under an alt before. You can't see bubbles, since there are no bubbles since they aren't underwater.

LOL, how could they fuck up that bad, it is not possible!

There's a TIL post every week about how important things get lost and misplaced in archives.

There is no explanation

There is plenty of explanation.

The backup tapes which were largely unimportant since the broadcast was a success were shuffled off to some archive where they gathered dust and got moved around, poorly tracked and probably taped over.

The point still stands: easy, more efficient etc doesn't matter when there's no reason to.

Are you serious? You don't think that there would be an interest in having HD cameras set up on the Moon, having the first Women on the Moon or setting up scientific bases? Why are they claiming they will be able to go back by 2020? So it's important enough to go in the next 5 years but make no progress for the last 50?

Why do we give NASA billions of dollars? Why do they supposedly go to the ISS all the time? What have we gained from any of that? They don't do anything up there except stupid meaningless experiments.

Just admit that you will believe literally anything that NASA says because you trust your government would never lie to you.

u don't think that there would be an interest in having HD cameras set up on the Moon

One doesn't need a manned mission to set up cameras.

What purpose would HD footage serve exactly?

having the first Women on the Moon or setting up scientific bases?

Again, what purpose would this serve? People have been to the moon. The purpose of "going to the moon" was to be able to say "we went to the moon". Mission success.

setting up scientific bases?

What purpose would this serve? There are much closer scientific bases which are much easier, cheaper and more safely reached.

Why are they claiming they will be able to go back by 2020?

China is proposing an unmanned mission to the moon in 2020 and they are doing so as a part of an expanded world-wide project.

So it's important enough to go in the next 5 years but make no progress for the last 50?

Mission objectives.

Research.

Political climate.

All of these things take time.

They stopped "going to the moon" because there wasn't a point. The future wave of moon missions will serve as training and research for further missions.

Why do we give NASA billions of dollars?

I have no idea. Why does the government do anything really?

Why do they supposedly go to the ISS all the time?

They don't go "all the time".

But when they do, they go to conduct research and training.

What have we gained from any of that?

Research into the effects of gravity. Long term exposure to low-gravity environments, orbital nagivation, docking procedures, logistical procedures, zero gravity construction, power generation, telemetry....

Just admit that you will believe literally anything that NASA says because you trust your government would never lie to you.

I trust that until the data and information appears false I will accept what they provide.

Been through this with you under an alt before. You can't see bubbles, since there are no bubbles since they aren't underwater.

Does that mean that you just "go around" and "debunk" space hoaxes?, all hoaxes and "conspiracies"? or do you have just have certain redditors that you follow? or all of the above?

Does that mean that you just "go around" and "debunk" space hoaxes?, all hoaxes and "conspiracies"

Space is interesting to me, and because I tend to peruse threads which are relevant to my interests, I end up reading threads about space. That's sort of how these newfangled internet discussion boards work.

or do you have just have certain redditors that you follow? or all of the above?

And as a result, folks with a similar interest tend to show up and post the same tired arguments about "bubbles" or "people with the same name as supposedly dead astronauts". They also tend to enjoy dodging the question and deflecting rebuttals.

Alright, I just watched your 'fake' Chinese space walk.

As a scuba diver, I'm telling you right now that isn't in a tank.

1) The movements are too free, fast and easy. It's hard to move underwater, and you are slow.

2) Stuff floats upward in that video. Underwater, you are still affected by gravity. Stuff goes down. Stuff doesn't go upwards.

3) You can see there is no water pressure affecting the astronauts clothing. They are clearly in a vacuum.

4) Those are not air bubbles. They are debris, as clearly demonstrated by the fact they travel in different directions and in perfectly straight lines. I'm sure that if it was a fake, such obvious 'flaws' would be edited out.

This is simply the case of an uneducated moron seeing what he wants to believe.

Yep seems like a terrible idea to adopt some of the greatest scientific minds of the time? Regardless of what their ideals were, they achieved a huge amount, like the fucking jet engine. I could be wrong, but people who've dedicated their lives to scientific advancement aren't going to stop doing what they do because they're employed by someone else.. My opinion on operation paperclip

Is there supposed to be a "Welcome to Mars" sign?

I don't understand why you think the sunrise pictures are fake. Can you please clarify why you think that?

The people that believe that the Mars Rover mission is real have never actually researched into it for themselves, guaranteed. It is the worst acting job ever. The Mars team leader Adam Steltzner is an absolute joke! He is supposedly a high school drop out rock n roller turned rocket scientist with no explanation of how he made it to Mars rover team leader status. That's because he's just a bad actor that has no clue about the Mars mission.

Here is a Mars Hoax video that is must watch (it's about 23:00 long) if you don't want to watch the whole thing (which you should if you believe this scam) at least watch from around 15:00 or so and listen to the Adam Steltzner character not be able to answer any questions during the press conference. https://youtu.be/U5_Il2tAT7U?t=1s

A shorter video making fun of Adam Steltzner and his BS. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRQwL5zK37Q

edit: I've already been downvoted and there hasn't even been enough time to watch the video, real open minded.

Ok, indeed I thought that (terrible) video was strange.

So I went and watched the entire press conference here.

When you watch the whole thing, it is nowhere near as strange. Yeah, he's a bit awkward and clearly not comfortable (I'm a team leader, but hate speaking in front of large groups as well).

But the reason he cant answer many of the questions is because he simply doesnt have the data yet. The thing literally just touched down and all they have is the grainy thumbnail image. Another scientist says they will receive more data in about 25 minutes. If you listen to his full answer to the question about OD278, rather than just the snippet that the video above uses to purposefully make him look stupid, he actually has quite a good and intelligent answer.

The reason he cant answer the question about the image compression used is that he simply doesnt know - thats not his area. And a fairly minor detail in the grand scheme of things.

The other scientists are more comfortable in front of the cameras and answer the questions well.

If this is your best evidence that the Mars landing is fake, after looking at the full press conference, I'm not convinced at all.

Ok, indeed I thought that (terrible) video was strange. So I went and watched the entire press conference here[1]

You are obviously a shill. Please tell me what parts were left out of the video I linked https://youtu.be/U5_Il2tAT7U?t=1s from the "Whole" press confrence that you linked?

They are basically the same and Adam Steltzer not having a clue about the mission is clear in both.

Hahaha. Seriously? It's pretty disappointing that with all the effort I put into being a conspiracy theorist and convincing redditors of government corruption, I still get called a shill from random morons.

I'm not gonna go through the whole press conference again and list everything that's not in your conspiracy video. I've done my research, I'm happy with the result and I'm moving on to real conspiracies.

They're not intelligent enough for rational thought

Sometimes I despair that as a conspiracy theorist I get lumped in with these people.

No wonder friends think I'm crazy when I bring up corruption.

I'm not gonna go through the whole press conference again and list everything that's not in your conspiracy video.

Because they are the same you moron. The Q & A is the main point showing that the "team leader" literally knows less about the mission than the audience.

You then make a post saying that the video I linked is edited to make Adam look worse than he is, which is a lie.

Go expose that government corruption as long as it's not the part of the government that you blindly trust because you have a hard on for "science" and space.

Really. You think your conspiracy video is not edited to make him look stupid.

I'm done here, enjoy your little drugged up fantasy world.

Sure there was text that was added, but the Q & A wasn't edited, he literally didn't know anything about the "mission". I'm done too, continue trusting NASA.

Yeah, it makes a lot of sense to spend billions of dollars faking a Mars rover mission for years, with thousands of complicit participants, because there is SO MUCH to gain from it. How can people not see how beneficial it is to arrange complicated conspiracies in every single aspect of life, for no tangible benefit, without leaving any evidence or ever having a single anonymous whistleblower leaking any documents?

I mean, aside from the Illuminati symbolism that they insert into everything, the absurdly vague numerology they base everything on, the crisis actors they are somehow unable to find enough of to not have to reuse them, what more can it take to convince you fools? Even this comment is a conspiracy to make a large and very vocal subset of conspiracy theorists look like complete fucking daffy lunatics. WAKE UP, SHEEPLE

I'm curious do you also believe the governments 9/11 official story?

You can type all that shit out but you can't reply to a simple question, just a downvote? Go back to /r/conspiratard and circlejerk with the rest of the morons.

Everyone's a shill apparently

What the fuck did I just watch

lol oh my..

After watching that first video I went and checked the entire post-landing press conference (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HbBHASu7H8), and I honestly was shocked at how that guy can't answer a single question.

With that said I still 100% believe the Mars Rover mission is real, but it's bizarre how that guy seems to know nothing about the specifics of the mission. Maybe he's just a public relations face of the mission? Maybe nervous, or just a horrible horrible communicator? On drugs? Very bizarre

I watched it also. Its mostly because they dont actually have the data yet (hes not very good at communicating this).

And the other stuff as per my post below. You will have noticed the other scientists answer the questions very well.

Clearly the guy telling us this is a big conspiracy did not actually watch the full press conference.

Maybe he's just a public relations face of the mission?

He was only the director of the landing procedures. Think of him like a project manager. There were hundreds of people who came up with different aspects and stages of that landing procedure, he was just kind of the "manager". Still smart in his own right, but he wouldn't know the details of all of the various aspects of the mission. That rover was the result of thousands of scientists work over like 10 years.

Yeah that makes sense, but at the same time you'd think the director of the landing procedures would be able to discuss the landing at least halfway intelligently.

The people asking questions seemed to know substantially more about the landing than he did.

Ultimately, I suspect he was chosen for the job because he's photogenic and would bring media attention to the Rover mission due to his interesting personal story. But I don't question the Rover mission itself.

"nothing about this makes any sense at all, but ill still believe it 100% because i trust everything they say"

Oh, where did he say nothing about this makes any sense at all?

I believe it because 1) the technology is clearly available to accomplish what they claimed to have accomplished, 2) I see little point or purpose for lying about it, and even if they wanted to I doubt they could pull it off, and 3) nothing about the facts of the mission itself seem suspicious to me beyond the idiot they chose as team leader of the landing procedure, and beyond his inability to answer questions he may still be good at his job

He is suppose to be the Team Leader for the mission! lol! I've found interviews and he's just as bad. He also supposedly came up with that janky landing mechanism that wouldn't land off of a 3 story building let alone plummeting into mars, it's such a joke. The people in the audience obviously knew way more about the mission than the NASA "Rocket Scientists" in charge of it.

I'm sorry but I can't believe you trust NASA 100%! They scam, lie, and cheat just like every other arm of the government, they are not exempt.

He's a team leader. Not PR agent or motivational speaker. Also I love how you think you know more about rocket science, then say, actual rocket scientists

He's a team leader. Not PR agent or motivational speaker.

Sounds like you are agreeing with me because he is acting like a PR agent or motivational speaker and not like someone that actually has a clue about rockets or Mars. He is suppose to be the team manager in charge if the entire Mars Rover mission and he literally has no clue about the mission.

Adam Steltzner is an admitted Highscool drop out with no credintials. Why do you claim he is a rocket scientist because NASA told you he was? If you think that Adam Steltzner is a "rocket scientist" after watching that press conference Q & A then you will literally believe anything.

Adam Steltzner is an admitted Highscool drop out with no credintials. Why do you claim he is a rocket scientist because NASA told you he was? If you think that Adam Steltzner is a "rocket scientist" after watching that press conference Q & A then you will literally believe anything.

Steltzner dropped out of University.

He then decided to change pursuits and go back to University where he ended up earning a BsC, MA and PhD where he then went on to work for NASA.

http://www.npr.org/2012/08/11/158560487/not-my-job-we-quiz-nasa-engineers-on-mars-candy

Here are a couple of excerpts.

STELTZNER: Right. I was not the best student in high school. So I stopped going to high school.

SAGAL: Really?

SAGAL: And what had you done to sort of qualify yourself to be the guy in charge of landing this rover?

STELTZNER: That's a really good question. I continually ask myself that.(LAUGHTER)

Really? we want a serious answer Adam.

Anyone can write down that the have a BsC, MA, PhD .

Notice he is as vague as possible and never gives details. Same with his buddy "mohawk guy".

SAGAL: And Bobak, you were the flight director. What does that mean?

FERDOWSI: I'm sort of like that Ed Harris character in "Apollo 13." But our job is decidedly less dramatic, except for those last seven minutes.

When asked to describe his job he says just imagine Ed Harris! These guys can never give any details about anything except their haircuts.

Scrutinize your government more and look into these con-men before you buy what they are selling.

Really? we want a serious answer Adam.

" So then I went down to the local community college to try and figure out why those stars were moving. Then I started to make up for my lack of high school education, so on and so forth, and then I'm here."

Then you're more than welcome to ask. However, his casual nature is what he's known for. I thought this was an NPR interview not a deposition.

Anyone can write down that the have a BsC, MA, PhD .

That's idiotic.

This is your whole issue. You're GIVEN a rebuttal about his credentials and you just dismiss it outright. The man could write a book about his area of expertise, hand deliver it to you and then beat you about the face with it and you'd still be incredulous.

No no no! He'd dropped out of high school!! There's no way a dropout can ever succeed in life! Those credentials are fake!!

When asked to describe his job he says just imagine Ed Harris!

Yes, he gives an appropriate response for the interview- especially as the questions pertained more to who they were as people than the minutiae of their work. Having younger, not robotic-science-nerds is good for the future life of the program and that's why these people are well liked.

You'll have to put forth more convincing evidence other than your basica incredulity at the behaviour of a few involved people on an NPR interview.

This is your whole issue. You're GIVEN a rebuttal about his credentials and you just dismiss it outright. The man could write a book about his area of expertise, hand deliver it to you and then beat you about the face with it and you'd still be incredulous.

You have shown me ZERO credentials or evidence of his "degrees" at a Universe-ity. Besides the degrees that you haven't shown me what I care about far more is what he has to say. I guarantee that he has never done any interviews that he gives details about anything. You need more evidence that these guys have any clue of how to get a rover to Mars and the details behind it, because it's obvious they don't know.

You have shown me ZERO credentials or evidence of his "degrees" at a Universe-ity.

HAHAHA

What do you want??? A scanned picture of his diploma? Pictures of him doing a kegstand with the boys from Kappa Kappa Phi? Shall I call up his mother and asked if she still has any photos lying around of Convocation Day? How can I prove that Stephen Hawking ever went to Univeristy?? He's a hack I tell you.

Besides the degrees that you haven't shown me

YOU were the one who claimed he had no credentials!

I guarantee that he has never done any interviews that he gives details about anything

Hm, I wonder if he's even been interviewed by anyone who isn't a Pop-sci radio show?

Oh wait! He has! And they're readily available!

You need more evidence that these guys have any clue of how to get a rover to Mars and the details behind it

Sounds like good old fashioned incredulity. Basic public statements aimed at a broad audience are somehow evidence for them not knowing anything?

The Paulstal Service video of the Mars fakery news conference was the final nail in the coffin for me. It is no longer on his YouTube channel, as far as I can tell, but is available here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgoORq0AC_8

Anybody with any insight and understanding of basic human psychology can tell there is something terribly, terribly wrong with this press conference. It is blatantly obvious looking at these guys that the Mars Curiosity Rover project is a $6 billion scam.

Adam Steltzner (from around the 5 minute mark) is clearly a man who is wrestling with his conscience. For what is ostensibly the crowning moment of his career, he looks more like his favourite dog just got run over - he really, really doesn't want to talk about it. He keeps trying to bring in others to help him out. If you can't see this is a bad actor, lying through his teeth, you are basically an android.

It makes sense that you would believe this, seeing as you think the moon landing was a hoax, you would have to support the idea of landing on any other planet as being fake, right?

So you believe that the moon landing was legit? Do you also believe the official 9/11 story? JFK story? Gulf of Tolkin? We killed Bin Laden and through his body to sea without showing anyone? Amazing that it's 2015 and so many people still believe that the government tells us the truth.

See the thing in the sky to the right of the sun? Wonder what that is?

I think it looks like it affects the net mesh around it, so I'd say it is a piece of dust or more likely damage. It could be a local satellite due to the little presence of a atmospheric shell.

Science has gone backwards? Since when?

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The fact that NASA is no different than any other aspect of the Government and is a complete fraud.

If there's one thing Americans are crazy about it's NASA. People are just rabid NASA fans. In high school every single kid wants to grow up to be an astronaut because these big time astronauts are in their face all day. They know if they can just get onto the right space crew their whole lives will be different. They will get big endorsements from shoe companies. They can buy their mom that new house she's always wanted.

The thing is, this focus on space can distract kids from their schoolwork, and society is okay with it. Student astronauts can let their grades slide and the schools will just hire tutors for them. If they get caught in minor crimes the police will let them off the hook because they are such big space nerd fans. What's worse is that even in domestic violence incidents astronauts often get away with it. Hell, there was a case in Steubenville, Ohio where a bunch of teen astronauts sexually assaulted a girl and school officials helped cover it up. That's how obsessed with NASA this country is.

In a way it's just a ruse to help them escape the doldrums of their day-to-day life. It keeps them from talking about important issues because they are focused on what NASA is up to. What astronaut is going to what space crew and whatnot. As for me I don't worry about that stuff, but I can understand why people do. I would have saved a lot of money on college if I'd had one of those big space scholarships, but I just had my little academic scholarship that barely paid for books.

Yep, he was team leader. Ie, he had a huge team beneath him working on their areas of speciality.

I'm a team leader, but that doesn't make me an expert on all that my team members do. And it certainly doesn't mean I'm a good public speaker.

I'm 50/50 on Neil and Buzz, but the rest appear to be genuine at this point.

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