There's so many layers of lies and subterfuge going on here, while I don't think Hersh is wilfully complicit, I think the truth of the whole stinking mess is likely found in the description below:
I do not believe Hersh’s story for three reasons. One reason is that bin Laden was suffering from disease that no one can survive for a decade. His death was widely reported in 2001. One reason is that even Hersh’s “true” account of “what really happened” is contradicted by eye witnesses and the initial Pakistani TV interviews of eye witnesses. One reason is that Hersh’s story is too convoluted for an assassination raid, a routine event. He exposes lies within lies, indecision within decision, payoffs within payoffs, and reports such a huge number of people with advance knowledge of the raid that it cannot possibly have been kept a secret.
I could add a fourth reason–the US government’s lack of credibility. Washington lies about everything. For example: Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction, Assad’s use of chemical weapons, Iranian nukes, Russian invasion of Ukraine. If, as Hersh reports, lies comprise 99% of Washington’s tale of the raid in Abbottabad, why believe that 1% of the story is true and that bin Laden was killed. It is difficult to have murder without a body. The only evidence that bin Laden was killed is the government’s claim.
In my opinion, Washington’s disinformation agencies have finally managed to deceive Seymour Hersh with a concocted “inside story” that saves Washington’s claim of having murdered bin Laden by proving that the US government is an extraordinary liar and violator of law.
Don't forget the "sob They threw babies out of incubators to die! sob" bullshit story. It's a classic. Anything to get the public to support the war for more free oil!
Sometimes I wonder, is it the government's fault for lying or the general public for being so god damn gullible? It seems like all you have to do is repeat a few boogyman words and invoke "KILLING BABBIES, TERRORISTS, FNORD, FNORD!" a few times and you can achieve any political aim you want.
Sometimes I wonder, is it the government's fault for lying or the general public for being so god damn gullible?
The two things aren't necessarily unrelated. We have decades of government education and compliant corporate media programming to thank for what passes for the average American's critical thinking skills.
I quit, I think
I’ve come slowly to understand what it is I really teach: A curriculum of confusion, class position, arbitrary justice, vulgarity, rudeness, disrespect for privacy, indifference to quality, and utter dependency. I teach how to fit into a world I don’t want to live in.
I just can’t do it anymore. I can’t train children to wait to be told what to do; I can’t train people to drop what they are doing when a bell sounds; I can’t persuade children to feel some justice in their class placement when there isn’t any, and I can’t persuade children to believe teachers have valuable secrets they can acquire by becoming our disciples. That isn’t true.
Government schooling is the most radical adventure in history. It kills the family by monopolizing the best times of childhood and by teaching disrespect for home and parents.
An exaggeration? Hardly. Parents aren’t meant to participate in our form of schooling, rhetoric to the contrary. My orders as schoolteacher are to make children fit an animal training system, not to help each find his or her personal path.
The whole blueprint of school procedure is Egyptian, not Greek or Roman. It grows from the faith that human value is a scarce thing, represented symbolically by the narrow peak of a pyramid.
The "official story" is a steaming pile of horseshit. However, there WAS a reason why the US went to that camp in the middle of town in Abbotabad (where Osama would NEVER be) and a reason they killed the SEALs...wonder what it was?
I thought that it was pretty common knowledge with those who weren't fucking idiots that OBL died of Marfan in 2001. He was being treated in an American hospital, for Christ's sake!
Stop this nonsense. SEALs that died in the helicopter crash were from Gold squadron, the SEALs that did the raid were from Red squadron.
There are close to 200 operators in DEVGRU. I'm tired of hearing complete nonsense in this sub, people ignorant about the most basic facts.
I thought that it was pretty common knowledge with those who weren't fucking idiots that OBL died of Marfan in 2001. He was being treated in an American hospital, for Christ's sake!
lol... Yeah ok. That's the dumbest thing i've read.
DEVGRU members were there, they did the mission. JSOC ordered it. Sorry, not everything is a conspiracy. Hersh story is already discredited.
Only conspiracy about the OBL raid was if Pakistan ISI was involved in killing the gold squadron SEALs, for revenge. some of us who know what we are talking about think so.
Sounds like you're a conspiracy wacko when you're not noticing your own self.
Worst type of thinker: Defensive about orthodoxy except on personal pet agendas.
For the record, I don't agree with the person you're replying to/trolling, but neither do I agree with the official story. We simply have no evidence of anything. And you/The Orthodoxy simply expects "Just Trust Us" to be the standard for everything from the Iraq War to intelligence agencies operating without oversight.
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It's not necessary and doesn't change anything; it's far better practice to "leak" disinformation to respected journalists thus further legitimizing the disinfo to the public.
Yes, but don't you think these respected journalists have the potential to recognize the fact that they can be fed disinformation? I have a hard time believing that Hersh is in the dark as to the fact that the entire story about bin Laden being killed is BS, rather than bits and pieces of it? Laden died a long time ago. I know it, you know it....Hersh doesn't know it?
Yes, but don't you think these respected journalists have the potential to recognize the fact that they can be fed disinformation?
The potential, sure. I'm certain that good journalist probably turn down many stories that just don't seem "right". But, anyone can get fooled, as big lies always seem more believable in the right circumstances. Limited hangout type operations don't require every "asset" to know the real deal, in fact it works better when they don't.
Also, Hersh may be a victim of his own past successes, for instance when he broke the Mỹ Lai Massacre story he may have effectively drew attention away from a far broader range of atrocities. Again, I can't say he was wilfully complicit, but that doesn't mean he wasn't useful to certain factions.
I don't need to "believe" in whether he is complicit wilfully in order to recognise the more cogent aspects of the coverup.
I would rather withhold judgement for lack of evidence than just automatically place him in the liar category. To me this is what decent people should do when they don't have definitive proof about someone.
Gross negligence? No, not even that, Hersh may still actually believe the system "works" and he sees himself as a troubleshooter for corrupt bits and pieces of it.
Like so many other Americans, he may simply not realize to what heights and depths the corruption goes. Sounds very human to me.
Disparaging people serves no great purpose if there's every indication that they are operating in good faith. If that changes, I'll change my assessment, but not before.
Paul Craig Roberts is kind of a retard, he wrote some good pieces but lately he seems to have gone off the deep end. Assad's use of chemical weapons and the Russian invasion of Ukraine are confirmed facts.
I kind of disagree with:
Paul Craig Roberts is kind of a retard claim
Relevant insight:attacking the man
Assad's use of chemical weapons claims
Relevant quote:
"Syrian rebels have been entrusted by US intelligence to collect information to show that the Syrian government has used chemical weapons against its own citizens and, surprise, they have come back with the “evidence” the warmongers have sought to satisfy rebel demands for a US attack. Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel, in a stunning about-face, has dutifully reported back to Congress these “findings” as fact and in so doing has shifted the US war machine from “neutral” into “drive”."
Russian invasion of Ukraine, "the aggressor" claim
Relevant quote:
“The Russian aim, one Western official said, may possibly be to seize an outlet to the sea in the event that Russia tries to establish a separatist enclave in eastern Ukraine.”
This of course hasn’t taken place. So what happened to all these Russian soldiers 30 miles inside Ukraine? What happened to all the armored vehicles, weapons, and equipment?
“The United States has photographs that show the Russian artillery moved into Ukraine, American officials say. One photo dated last Thursday, shown to a New York Times reporter, shows Russian military units moving self-propelled artillery into Ukraine. Another photo, dated Saturday, shows the artillery in firing positions in Ukraine.”
Where are these photographs? And how will we know that these are Russian soldiers? And how will we know that the photos were taken in Ukraine? But most importantly, where are the fucking photographs?
Yes, very complex. Home made gas canister fired from a second hand mortar like a rifle grenade.
I could build it. I guess it would be pretty complex to a dribbling retard though.
The facts are the opposite of what you claim, if you'd care to take the time and find this out for yourself. Russia did not invade Ukraine, duh, and Assad was not the one who used chemical weapons. The only fact here is that you are cometely misinformed and perversely proud of it.
If you google Bin Laden now, all you will see on the first page is Bin Laden's bookshelf and how he hated the US etc. They have been able to push Hersh's story out of the news. Perhaps this was the motive for the release.
-The Obama administration releasing the report of CIA detainee abuses in December 2014...just weeks after democrats suffered their worse midterm election in 80 years. Why release it then? The election results were seen by many as a referendum on the Obama administrations policies. People were talking about it (the election), it was the news, it was pointing out how the administration did little but say "this is all X's" fault and offered little to no solutions, etc
...then, just like that, that report is released and the focus is taken off the election loss.
-Just a few days ago, another story about the CIA and deleting vids, evidence, etc is released, promoted, and posted all over social media. Why was it release just then? What just happened in the world? IS had taken over Ramadi. It was worldwide news and it reflected poorly on the administrations foreign policy, decisions, calling them a JV team, etc.
Of course, pointing this out is "crazy", "rightwing bullshit" because people are partisan and feel scorned by the failures of the administration. This is clearly apparent even in a sub like this that likes to think it "looks beyond the BS to get at the truth", etc.
Or how the day after the CIA torture report dropped and was all over the media -- despite being only 600 pages of a 6000 page report -- Kim Kardashian's ass broke the internet. For a week.
Or how the day after The Guardian reported on the CIA Chicago Black Ops site, there was the "huge" story of the two escaped llamas. Then the day after that, the color-changing dress story launched, and everyone was distracted by THAT for two days. then Leonard Nimoy died and THAT ruled me media for a couple days.
They've got this shit down to a science. It's magic to them. They're sorcerers of societal control.
The blue dress shit was ridiculous. But I don't think that was CIA. What I think is that the vast majority of the population is so incredibly asinine and by definition so starved for attention and acceptance that they must engage in a pointless spiral of useless shit.
ALL this shit is ridiculous, and I would ask you to consider how much societal management has been turned into a science, and how much of our tax dollars are being spent on our mental incarceration and manipulation.
If you're not familiar with Dave McGowan's "Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon," you should find it and read it. It paints a pretty disturbing picture of how the CIA and/or military intelligence uses the entertainment business -- mostly, in this case, the music industry -- to manipulate the public.
Okay but the blue dress wasn't launched by any celeb. It doesn't fit the science. What they might have done was help mold the nature of social networking in such a way to set the stage, but there is actually such a thing as organically viral content within that structure.. I am as cynical as they get but I'd be surprised and impressed if this particular example was ever shown to be anything else..
I think it fits the science because it was there. It was in the public's consciousness right away, through no real discernible source. I'm curious if we aren't going to see another little smokescreen pop-up when this yemen video of that explosion gets into the zeitgeist.
this one. I don't think that it's a neutron bomb, but I also don't think that this shows an "ammo depot". Since Yemen is currently a fucking warzone there aren't a whole lot of verifiable reports coming out of it right now.
It was submitted at least 3 times to this sub that I'm aware of, and buried because people "didn't like the source" or "that's not a neutron bomb" or some other thinly disguised "attack the messenger not the message" reason.
No discernable source? IIRC It was a personal photo of a bridesmaid's dress, posted after a wedding. I don't know the name of the person who posted it but as the viral event unfolded the original poster also provided some clarifications and confirmed the actual dress color but these developments were probably not as viral as the original post.
It's not impossible for the event to have been planned to that level but for a bunch of reasons I don't think it was. On the other hand, I am not the only one who studies the spread of information, Facebook employs data scientists for this too. Embedding a variable within facebooks algorithms that could be adjusted to either encourage or discourage viral memes is quite possible. the government could pick a day, and the algorithm would select whatever new meme is most viral on that day, and supercharge it by giving it higher priority to appear in feeds.
In this way organically viral content could still be used to distract the public whenever necessary, without having to plan anything. Just set distraction level to high and that's that. I am almost certain that something like this is actually being done.
I never personally witnessed this "dress" but I did hear about it. I believe it was someone talking about something they had seen on television related to it (I dont watch TV, not active on fb, etc)
I can't say for sure whether or not I'd call it a "planned" event, but it's more of a demonstration of resonance. If you give a sine wave a little push at the top of the waveform...
All of us who generate internet content (even us typing away at our keyboards here) have the potential to create a resonance that anyone could then increase by bringing their attention to it, which will bring more attention, etc. It doesn't seem outside the realm of possibility that some people would have a non-linear means of artificially producing, increasing or even disrupting that resonance.
Agreed it's one of those "they must think we're really stupid" moments. And of course they're right -enough people are stupid AND, more importantly, the media will lie to us about what "we" believe, so even if a huge majority of people don't believe the government, we will never know. For instance, years ago, a Zogby poll showed that a significant majority of the citizens of New York City did NOT believe the official fairy tale about 911. We're not supposed to know that. We're all supposed to think we'll be branded and mocked as "conspiracy theorists" if we ever state our doubts aloud. What's funny is that if you do start talking to people about it, you will find a huge percentage of them will privately tell you how much they don't believe the story.
The reading list is fascinating with so many conspiracy books on it.
The way I see it, either one of these scenarios could be the truth:
A. This is the reading list of an actual person, who may or may not have 'played' the character of OBL at some point after the real OBL died. Many of the videos released after a certain point are clearly fakes and several different people must have filled this function at some point, perhaps one of them was an ISI agent living in abbottobad.
B. This is a fake reading list meant to embarrass and/or discredit the books contained within, also to conflate conspiracy theorists with terrorists.
No kidding it came on the news last night, I was watching by accident and just had to turn the channel. We have a lot more important things to deal with than going through Bin Laden's kindle. TPP anyone?
Hersh, now 78 years old, is acting as disinfo in this case, whether he knows it or not. What good work has Hersh done since 2006? This piece on Osama was not investigative journalism.
This was the last good work Hersh did, when he was still only 69 years old:
In August 2006, in an article in The New Yorker, Hersh claimed that the White House gave the green light for the Israeli government to execute an attack on Hezbollah in Lebanon.
This work on Osama by Hersh is out of character. What a sad end to a guy who was a decent journalist in his day.
Remember his work on Kennedy. He is a guy that pushes CIA Agents stories that JFK was behind the Castro plots, on one hand and he is also a guy that also upholds the Warren Report and that Lee Harvey Oswald Killed the President by himself..
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16 halezzzcomet 2015-05-21
...ok well that just fucked my brain entirely
13 Alcorr 2015-05-21
Yes, that's actually a real quote.
28 DishonestCartooNIST 2015-05-21
Not being a dick — source?
2 wolfgang617 2015-05-21
Best source I could find for a quote that was not audio recorded. The top answer is the relevant source. http://www.quora.com/Did-William-Casey-CIA-Director-really-say-Well-know-our-disinformation-program-is-complete-when-everything-the-American-public-believes-is-false
18 Kuldebar 2015-05-21
There's so many layers of lies and subterfuge going on here, while I don't think Hersh is wilfully complicit, I think the truth of the whole stinking mess is likely found in the description below:
Seymour Hersh Succumbs To Disinformation
18 low_la 2015-05-21
Don't forget the "sob They threw babies out of incubators to die! sob" bullshit story. It's a classic. Anything to get the public to support the war for more free oil!
10 Kuldebar 2015-05-21
yes, the government always seeks to protect the babies:
"We had specific information that babies were being beaten."
-Janet Reno
This is not an assault!
8 shadowofashadow 2015-05-21
They protect babies until the "necessity" arises and they're forced to kill a half a million of them.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0WDCYcUJ4o
-2 dragon_nipples 2015-05-21
Those were world wide sanctions, and its not the US governments fault Saddam wouldn't step down.
2 Orvy 2015-05-21
Sometimes I wonder, is it the government's fault for lying or the general public for being so god damn gullible? It seems like all you have to do is repeat a few boogyman words and invoke "KILLING BABBIES, TERRORISTS, FNORD, FNORD!" a few times and you can achieve any political aim you want.
4 Kuldebar 2015-05-21
The two things aren't necessarily unrelated. We have decades of government education and compliant corporate media programming to thank for what passes for the average American's critical thinking skills.
I quit, I think
John Taylor Gatto
6 davidtoni 2015-05-21
You have a point.
The "official story" is a steaming pile of horseshit. However, there WAS a reason why the US went to that camp in the middle of town in Abbotabad (where Osama would NEVER be) and a reason they killed the SEALs...wonder what it was?
I thought that it was pretty common knowledge with those who weren't fucking idiots that OBL died of Marfan in 2001. He was being treated in an American hospital, for Christ's sake!
-4 dragon_nipples 2015-05-21
Stop this nonsense. SEALs that died in the helicopter crash were from Gold squadron, the SEALs that did the raid were from Red squadron.
There are close to 200 operators in DEVGRU. I'm tired of hearing complete nonsense in this sub, people ignorant about the most basic facts.
lol... Yeah ok. That's the dumbest thing i've read.
DEVGRU members were there, they did the mission. JSOC ordered it. Sorry, not everything is a conspiracy. Hersh story is already discredited.
Only conspiracy about the OBL raid was if Pakistan ISI was involved in killing the gold squadron SEALs, for revenge. some of us who know what we are talking about think so.
2 PortOfDenver 2015-05-21
http://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/36pl4k/major_league_shitlording/crg9a54
Sounds like you're a conspiracy wacko when you're not noticing your own self.
Worst type of thinker: Defensive about orthodoxy except on personal pet agendas.
For the record, I don't agree with the person you're replying to/trolling, but neither do I agree with the official story. We simply have no evidence of anything. And you/The Orthodoxy simply expects "Just Trust Us" to be the standard for everything from the Iraq War to intelligence agencies operating without oversight.
4 ZapPowerz 2015-05-21
Until we have evidence of anything, believe nothing. That is my motto.
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3 austinitise 2015-05-21
On what grounds do you believe this?
1 Kuldebar 2015-05-21
It's not necessary and doesn't change anything; it's far better practice to "leak" disinformation to respected journalists thus further legitimizing the disinfo to the public.
2 austinitise 2015-05-21
Yes, but don't you think these respected journalists have the potential to recognize the fact that they can be fed disinformation? I have a hard time believing that Hersh is in the dark as to the fact that the entire story about bin Laden being killed is BS, rather than bits and pieces of it? Laden died a long time ago. I know it, you know it....Hersh doesn't know it?
1 Kuldebar 2015-05-21
The potential, sure. I'm certain that good journalist probably turn down many stories that just don't seem "right". But, anyone can get fooled, as big lies always seem more believable in the right circumstances. Limited hangout type operations don't require every "asset" to know the real deal, in fact it works better when they don't.
Also, Hersh may be a victim of his own past successes, for instance when he broke the Mỹ Lai Massacre story he may have effectively drew attention away from a far broader range of atrocities. Again, I can't say he was wilfully complicit, but that doesn't mean he wasn't useful to certain factions.
2 austinitise 2015-05-21
So he's guilty of gross negligence rather than being complicit...I think he's complicit.
1 Kuldebar 2015-05-21
I don't need to "believe" in whether he is complicit wilfully in order to recognise the more cogent aspects of the coverup.
I would rather withhold judgement for lack of evidence than just automatically place him in the liar category. To me this is what decent people should do when they don't have definitive proof about someone.
Gross negligence? No, not even that, Hersh may still actually believe the system "works" and he sees himself as a troubleshooter for corrupt bits and pieces of it.
Like so many other Americans, he may simply not realize to what heights and depths the corruption goes. Sounds very human to me.
Disparaging people serves no great purpose if there's every indication that they are operating in good faith. If that changes, I'll change my assessment, but not before.
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9 IanPhlegming 2015-05-21
Please share links that confirm the facts of Assad's chemical weapons use and the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
5 davidtoni 2015-05-21
Yes, I'm curious also about the "facts" as to why Assad would be stupid enough to use chemical weapons when inspectors were in town.
That positively reeked of a false flag--which, of course, it was.
1 Kuldebar 2015-05-21
I kind of disagree with:
Relevant insight: attacking the man
Relevant quote:
Relevant quote:
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5 shadowofashadow 2015-05-21
So are you just going to keep asserting these things or will you share the purported facts with us? How do you know Assad used chemical weapons?
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6 shadowofashadow 2015-05-21
Yeah, if anyone disagrees with you they must be mindless. Great viewpoint to take.
https://www.corbettreport.com/who-really-crossed-the-red-line-in-syria/
Corbett just laps it all up without thinking, doesn't he? But you've seen the facts so why bother even looking at his take on things?
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6 shadowofashadow 2015-05-21
You disregard an entire body of research because it's being done by an independent journalist?
That's fine, I think I've done my job here.
1 davidtoni 2015-05-21
Yeah, I mean, look at that complex missile battery that Hamas uses! I mean, it kills probably, what, .2 Israelis per year? If that?
Obviously the complexity of Sarin delivery is lost on people. It's far tougher than delivering conventional explosives...and about 1000x riskier.
-1 zeropoint357 2015-05-21
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Syrian-rebels-chemical-weapon-artillary-canister.jpg
Yes, very complex. Home made gas canister fired from a second hand mortar like a rifle grenade. I could build it. I guess it would be pretty complex to a dribbling retard though.
5 BigEyeTenor 2015-05-21
The facts are the opposite of what you claim, if you'd care to take the time and find this out for yourself. Russia did not invade Ukraine, duh, and Assad was not the one who used chemical weapons. The only fact here is that you are cometely misinformed and perversely proud of it.
2 Kuldebar 2015-05-21
Yes, and government press releases are often not even remotely distant cousins to "fact".
Contrarianism works shockingly well in a world full of lies. I have it on good authority, after all.
5 PythonEnergy 2015-05-21
If you google Bin Laden now, all you will see on the first page is Bin Laden's bookshelf and how he hated the US etc. They have been able to push Hersh's story out of the news. Perhaps this was the motive for the release.
4 trolldarius 2015-05-21
Same thing with:
-The Obama administration releasing the report of CIA detainee abuses in December 2014...just weeks after democrats suffered their worse midterm election in 80 years. Why release it then? The election results were seen by many as a referendum on the Obama administrations policies. People were talking about it (the election), it was the news, it was pointing out how the administration did little but say "this is all X's" fault and offered little to no solutions, etc
...then, just like that, that report is released and the focus is taken off the election loss.
-Just a few days ago, another story about the CIA and deleting vids, evidence, etc is released, promoted, and posted all over social media. Why was it release just then? What just happened in the world? IS had taken over Ramadi. It was worldwide news and it reflected poorly on the administrations foreign policy, decisions, calling them a JV team, etc.
Of course, pointing this out is "crazy", "rightwing bullshit" because people are partisan and feel scorned by the failures of the administration. This is clearly apparent even in a sub like this that likes to think it "looks beyond the BS to get at the truth", etc.
7 IanPhlegming 2015-05-21
Or how the day after the CIA torture report dropped and was all over the media -- despite being only 600 pages of a 6000 page report -- Kim Kardashian's ass broke the internet. For a week.
Or how the day after The Guardian reported on the CIA Chicago Black Ops site, there was the "huge" story of the two escaped llamas. Then the day after that, the color-changing dress story launched, and everyone was distracted by THAT for two days. then Leonard Nimoy died and THAT ruled me media for a couple days.
They've got this shit down to a science. It's magic to them. They're sorcerers of societal control.
1 halezzzcomet 2015-05-21
The blue dress shit was ridiculous. But I don't think that was CIA. What I think is that the vast majority of the population is so incredibly asinine and by definition so starved for attention and acceptance that they must engage in a pointless spiral of useless shit.
But if it was CIA well... dear god
4 IanPhlegming 2015-05-21
ALL this shit is ridiculous, and I would ask you to consider how much societal management has been turned into a science, and how much of our tax dollars are being spent on our mental incarceration and manipulation.
If you're not familiar with Dave McGowan's "Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon," you should find it and read it. It paints a pretty disturbing picture of how the CIA and/or military intelligence uses the entertainment business -- mostly, in this case, the music industry -- to manipulate the public.
1 BuffaloHelix 2015-05-21
Okay but the blue dress wasn't launched by any celeb. It doesn't fit the science. What they might have done was help mold the nature of social networking in such a way to set the stage, but there is actually such a thing as organically viral content within that structure.. I am as cynical as they get but I'd be surprised and impressed if this particular example was ever shown to be anything else..
1 omenofdread 2015-05-21
I think it fits the science because it was there. It was in the public's consciousness right away, through no real discernible source. I'm curious if we aren't going to see another little smokescreen pop-up when this yemen video of that explosion gets into the zeitgeist.
1 halezzzcomet 2015-05-21
Whoa whoa what Yemen video?
1 omenofdread 2015-05-21
this one. I don't think that it's a neutron bomb, but I also don't think that this shows an "ammo depot". Since Yemen is currently a fucking warzone there aren't a whole lot of verifiable reports coming out of it right now.
1 halezzzcomet 2015-05-21
Holy fuck I haven't heard a single thing about this. That video is incredible
1 omenofdread 2015-05-21
It was submitted at least 3 times to this sub that I'm aware of, and buried because people "didn't like the source" or "that's not a neutron bomb" or some other thinly disguised "attack the messenger not the message" reason.
1 BuffaloHelix 2015-05-21
No discernable source? IIRC It was a personal photo of a bridesmaid's dress, posted after a wedding. I don't know the name of the person who posted it but as the viral event unfolded the original poster also provided some clarifications and confirmed the actual dress color but these developments were probably not as viral as the original post.
It's not impossible for the event to have been planned to that level but for a bunch of reasons I don't think it was. On the other hand, I am not the only one who studies the spread of information, Facebook employs data scientists for this too. Embedding a variable within facebooks algorithms that could be adjusted to either encourage or discourage viral memes is quite possible. the government could pick a day, and the algorithm would select whatever new meme is most viral on that day, and supercharge it by giving it higher priority to appear in feeds.
In this way organically viral content could still be used to distract the public whenever necessary, without having to plan anything. Just set distraction level to high and that's that. I am almost certain that something like this is actually being done.
1 omenofdread 2015-05-21
I never personally witnessed this "dress" but I did hear about it. I believe it was someone talking about something they had seen on television related to it (I dont watch TV, not active on fb, etc)
I can't say for sure whether or not I'd call it a "planned" event, but it's more of a demonstration of resonance. If you give a sine wave a little push at the top of the waveform...
All of us who generate internet content (even us typing away at our keyboards here) have the potential to create a resonance that anyone could then increase by bringing their attention to it, which will bring more attention, etc. It doesn't seem outside the realm of possibility that some people would have a non-linear means of artificially producing, increasing or even disrupting that resonance.
0 IanPhlegming 2015-05-21
It's possible. But the timing is suspect. And the fact it's built around altered perceptions is right up their alley.
3 BigEyeTenor 2015-05-21
Agreed it's one of those "they must think we're really stupid" moments. And of course they're right -enough people are stupid AND, more importantly, the media will lie to us about what "we" believe, so even if a huge majority of people don't believe the government, we will never know. For instance, years ago, a Zogby poll showed that a significant majority of the citizens of New York City did NOT believe the official fairy tale about 911. We're not supposed to know that. We're all supposed to think we'll be branded and mocked as "conspiracy theorists" if we ever state our doubts aloud. What's funny is that if you do start talking to people about it, you will find a huge percentage of them will privately tell you how much they don't believe the story.
3 BuffaloHelix 2015-05-21
The reading list is fascinating with so many conspiracy books on it.
The way I see it, either one of these scenarios could be the truth:
A. This is the reading list of an actual person, who may or may not have 'played' the character of OBL at some point after the real OBL died. Many of the videos released after a certain point are clearly fakes and several different people must have filled this function at some point, perhaps one of them was an ISI agent living in abbottobad.
B. This is a fake reading list meant to embarrass and/or discredit the books contained within, also to conflate conspiracy theorists with terrorists.
3 MaryLS 2015-05-21
The CIA is the problem. They run the show and control the media. They are tied in with the Illuminati/globalists. They control Obama.
1 George_Tenet 2015-05-21
Fact. Right?
2 LouieKablooie 2015-05-21
No kidding it came on the news last night, I was watching by accident and just had to turn the channel. We have a lot more important things to deal with than going through Bin Laden's kindle. TPP anyone?
1 HouseWhiskey 2015-05-21
Pretty sure CIA have been releasing classified info every year right around the anniversary of OBL raid.
It's probably the same reason the Hirsch guy released his story this month.
Plus - it takes months to comb through and declassify info.
1 rockytimber 2015-05-21
Hersh, now 78 years old, is acting as disinfo in this case, whether he knows it or not. What good work has Hersh done since 2006? This piece on Osama was not investigative journalism.
This was the last good work Hersh did, when he was still only 69 years old:
This work on Osama by Hersh is out of character. What a sad end to a guy who was a decent journalist in his day.
1 M5446K 2015-05-21
Remember his work on Kennedy. He is a guy that pushes CIA Agents stories that JFK was behind the Castro plots, on one hand and he is also a guy that also upholds the Warren Report and that Lee Harvey Oswald Killed the President by himself..
1 aenemic 2015-05-21
Dont read Chomksy, your basically Bin Laden then.