Hear hear.

I think it is a good idea, but if you're going to release this then you should also release the list of who votes for what. For instance, when you were reinstated it required a majority vote. In the spirit of FULL transparency those votes would've been made public, and I think the community would benefit from these kinds of disclosures.

Well, in your case we had many members of the community up in arms. It really did cause a rift and I noticed a lot of people began to lose trust in their mods. The mods neglected to even tell us how many of them were even present for the vote. In fact, I believe that I even had a mod tell me that the vote was between 6 people with 4 voting for reinstatement and 2 voting against. An official release would help to avoid these kinds of discrepancies.

As for your other question, I would not enjoy disclosing who I vote for when putting someone in office, but as a mod of a community your vote and influence carry a different weight entirely. Think of it like any other elected position; these officials are always documented when they vote, because they represent a group, not just themselves. Sure you don't have the same powers as a senator or congressman, but in the end it comes down to the fact that mods have the ability to manipulate this sub, and FULL transparency (IE releasing mod mail, or just the lists of who places what votes.) would help to mitigate any possible future damage. Think of what happened with Bipolar Bear, we might have been able to catch him sooner if the community had been able to scrutinize his actions a but more thoroughly!

Thank you kindly, Flytape. It's an opinion that I've held for quite some time now, and I've always been curious as to why I haven't seen it whenever these kinds of conversations come up. Hopefully the other mods agree with this sentiment! I can't see any reason to be against it other than the point about privacy that you made before. (Though as you know, I believe that one must be prepared for the consequences of taking a mod position in a sub that has so many users. Meaning that they should expect to have their votes questioned and scrutinized. Especially when it comes to topics that the community is invested in.)

Edit: Thanks again for forwarded my inquiry to the rest of the mods!

I still do not believe that we should allow the fear of being associated with you impede genuine transparency. In fact, I would wager that if votes had been disclosed from the beginning then you would not have ended up in this situation at all. The reason that these people got so upset was because of how shifty the whole scenario had been portrayed. It's very simple for the mods to say that they've taken care of the problem, but from an outside perspective it just seems so "robotic" for lack of a better term. We can't tell just how you solved the problem, or who the heavy hitters were when brainstorming up some solutions.

Fuck it man prove a point and make the ModMail public too. Squash these bugs!

And yes we should also see the mod votes, that should be a given really.

Are you serious neither of those reasons come close to being more important than mod transparency COP OUT!

I want to know who which mods are fans of censorship period, that's the whole point of this NOT fake concern over BS hypotheticals.

You're making me paranoid with this.

No you simply are hiding behind fake reasons, wtf man. You don't want mod votes and msgs to be seen and I don't buy you false concerns for a second. Be transparent or don't be but don't lie about it, that just looks shitty.

Dude stop it, without context the mod log is nearly useless. You will basically be doing nothing.

You can't disagree with fact. If we cannot see what motivated actions then how is that transparent?

Patronize me all you want, makes you feel good? I obviously am referring to mod actions. You are on here having to explain your mod actions all the time, wouldn't it be better if we didn't have to just believe you

Sorry, typing on a screen...had to switch to a keyboard

I don't think it would make anything better for this community to have every single mod conversation on display

Of course it would be better and you wouldn't have to be in here justifying why things should be kept secret.

Fine dude whatever keep it secret keep it safe because fear

You would put /r/con and the sub I mod in the same ballpark? Wow, plus I have zero concerns over my modding being public...actions messages and votes fuck it. It's not my fucking site anyway

You are using 'the boogeyman' as justification.

Hey man, I have cooled off and I'm sorry I shouldn't be coarse like that it's dumb. Not really sure why this subject did that to me either.

I dunno how they don't see the benefit of this, I see it though, and completely support it.

One step at a time.

HOw is it a fake reason?, please give us your argument of why that is.

I agree with point number 1. /u/whosmav seems unable to believe it though.

Like anyone should trust confidential things with reddit mods OMG

In assuredlys own words you guys don't "deal in the shadowy back rooms of modtalk." Honest mods are for the good of the community. But I guess assuredly was just talking big to the admin.

There are some things that get reported to modmail that contain PI, doxx, and other material that we cannot republish on the site as either we (or the bot that would repost the messages) would be ipbanned.

This isn't one of those things.

I voted for waffles.

Could you define what "modlogs" are for those of us who might not know precisely what that entails? What kind of specific information would be made public through this system?

Thanks, that helps a bit, but there's not much to see there (yet?).

Specifically, I'm wondering if it's only the moderator's actions that are visible, or whether, say, the user who reported a post would be visible for everyone to see.

While I'm generally in favor of transparency, I do think that there should be the possibility of anonymity for users to be able to report questionable things without it becoming public that they did so.

Full disclosure, I do report things from time to time (which you're probably aware of since you're a moderator), and I don't generally care whether what I report becomes public or not.

However, due to the issue that recently took place here regarding the post the admins wanted removed, I do think it's a good idea for people to be able to report things anonymously if they so desire. Yes, I'm aware that a user came forward and stated that he'd reported it. But I think that, key to that situation, the user was able to voluntary state his responsibility and describe his motivation for doing so at the same time. Rather than having his name in big neon letters on a controversial removed post.

Maybe this is how this all would work anyway though and I'm writing this all out for no reason though.

EDIT - There's also an invisible comment on this thread. Says there's 5 comments, only 4 are visible. Don't know why, but seems like that's been happening a lot lately.

Flytape, do the mods see who reports abusive comments?

I did not know that. I definitely can get behind the idea. Though people probably don't care what I think, so whatever.

Thanks again for responding.

...and if the modlog thing was going on, I'd have been able to see that and wouldn't have to wonder.

(You should have said that also, would've been a great illustration of how it works.)

EDIT - There's also an invisible comment on this thread. Says there's 5 comments, only 4 are visible. Don't know why, but seems like that's been happening a lot lately

Just a Shadowban of a shill, whoops.......sorry about that, didn't catch your name and couldn't resist.

Yes please. This seems like a good idea.

Does anybody have an argument against it to offer?

Fine by me.

Absolutely.

Definitely good idea.

There is a gang of moderators behind the scenes who have conflicts of interest — too many alliances, personal vendettas, and agendas within the mod team has sent this subreddit spiraling down.

This modlog idea is just a kid's bandaid over an amputated limb — especially when it's coming from a very controversial user like yourself.

Honestly there's a lot that needs to be made up for, mainly for that Podcast. You're a meme on reddit now Flytape since you basically parade around this place like it's yours. Plus, the secret reinstatement of your powers made the situation even worse.

Coming at us with this new "transparency" is just salt on the wound. Please go away...

I second this spot on opinion.

Great idea Fly. You have my support.

This looks nice.

I think this is a stupid and unnecessary idea, especially coming from this turd in the punch bowl. At a time when conspiracy is under the threat of being banned , this masked vaper wants to create pseudo conflict with the mods? If he really wants full disclosure then tell us the vote count that got you back where you may not belong. I'm willing to bet there were a few abstain votes in there. amirite?

Fuck it man prove a point and make the ModMail public too. Squash these bugs!

And yes we should also see the mod votes, that should be a given really.

Well, in your case we had many members of the community up in arms. It really did cause a rift and I noticed a lot of people began to lose trust in their mods. The mods neglected to even tell us how many of them were even present for the vote. In fact, I believe that I even had a mod tell me that the vote was between 6 people with 4 voting for reinstatement and 2 voting against. An official release would help to avoid these kinds of discrepancies.

As for your other question, I would not enjoy disclosing who I vote for when putting someone in office, but as a mod of a community your vote and influence carry a different weight entirely. Think of it like any other elected position; these officials are always documented when they vote, because they represent a group, not just themselves. Sure you don't have the same powers as a senator or congressman, but in the end it comes down to the fact that mods have the ability to manipulate this sub, and FULL transparency (IE releasing mod mail, or just the lists of who places what votes.) would help to mitigate any possible future damage. Think of what happened with Bipolar Bear, we might have been able to catch him sooner if the community had been able to scrutinize his actions a but more thoroughly!

In assuredlys own words you guys don't "deal in the shadowy back rooms of modtalk." Honest mods are for the good of the community. But I guess assuredly was just talking big to the admin.

Dude stop it, without context the mod log is nearly useless. You will basically be doing nothing.

You can't disagree with fact. If we cannot see what motivated actions then how is that transparent?

I voted for waffles.

I dunno how they don't see the benefit of this, I see it though, and completely support it.

One step at a time.