I really don't want to insult you because I think we should respect others beliefs. But does the fact that every single generation of humans believed 'the end times' were coming closer, influence that thought?
I think it's a dangerous to believe in judgment day and I think humans are inclined to have a cognitive bias when it comes to 'signs of the apocalypse'.
Again, don't want to insult you, but I don't think Allah would allow billions to suffer simply because they grow up in an area no-one has ever read the Quran.
By the way OT: I'm an atheist, but I strongly believe we need some sort of ideology to keep people from being rich parasites who rot our economy from the inside out.
Before you ask, yes I've read (parts of) the Bible and the Quran, and I really think that if it really is the word of God/Allah, he would've sent a new prophet to clarify some things, and who could update hundreds of years old guidelines.
I think it's a dangerous to believe in judgment day and I think humans are inclined to have a cognitive bias when it comes to 'signs of the apocalypse'.
I think its reasonable because when there are no consequences its human nature to do what ever we feel like. Believing in an ultimate justice prevents many from doing crimes that they could get away with.
Again, don't want to insult you, but I don't think Allah would allow billions to suffer simply because they grow up in an area no-one has ever read the Quran.
We believe the same , as Muslims its our belief that no one but God can decide who goes to heaven and who does not regardless of his or her religion.
By the way OT: I'm an atheist, but I strongly believe we need some sort of ideology to keep people from being rich parasites who rot our economy from the inside out. Before you ask, yes I've read (parts of) the Bible and the Quran, and I really think that if it really is the word of God/Allah, he would've sent a new prophet to clarify some things, and who could update hundreds of years old guidelines.
One does not become a doctor overnight, likewise one does not become an Islamic scholar over night. Grand things take a grand amount of time to understand.
If I don't know how to cook something I'll refer to a chef likewise if I don't understand something in Islam I'll refer to a scholar.
I think its reasonable because when there are no consequences its human nature to do what ever we feel like. Believing in an ultimate justice prevents many from doing crimes that they could get away with.
It seems to me that if this were true, athiests would commit more crimes than religious people; however I don't think there is any evidence to support that notion what so ever,
The bottom of the conspiracy rabbit hole is the spiritual nature of reality. Even though religions are a part of the control system, God is not only real but the very basis of reality from which all else manifests. All we experience has a deep spiritual purpose, and our consciousness is immensely powerful in creating our reality. The hiding of this knowledge is the number one priority of the elite.
The Kybalion is a great introduction into the spiritual structure of the reality we experience.
Anyone who believes the bible to be a Devine work. Remember the messiah came to get rid of religion, Those that follow Yahweh must follow in Spirit and in truth. So the op knows it was writtin that Babylon would rule the world, Babylon defined as secret society's. Secret society's today are a mash up of every ancient one.
I tend to look at religions as valid psychological operating systems and vehicles for culture. I don't 'believe' in religions, but I acknowledge their validity on some level, even if they are not factually precise in all of their claims. I respect some people who are religious. I don't like to be anti- religious as that would limit my potential for friendships.
Here is an example. One of my friends from HS is a fireman. I can understand that he "knows Jesus" every day, because he might die in the line of duty on any given day. I respect and understand that operating psychology, but it's not my own.
Jesus is the sun. He is the son of Lucifer. https://youtu.be/dcpVrtv2t-M
Sun worshippers rule this place, Jesuits, Freemasonry etc...
I have no religion because I have studied them all, they are all control systems. These sun worshippers are heliocentrists. They have lied to you about the globe your whole life, the earth is flat!
The Way, as taught by Jesus to His disciples, was at some point, perhaps early on, taken to be the facade of something more sinister and less moral, upright and Holy?
If this is near-accurate, do you believe Jesus was the visible image of God, actually God in the flesh?
Um, hm. "The Mansion" and "Third Woe" are news to me. What are they?
And by your verbiage you don't seem to be implying that Jesus was just the name given to the eternal Word, literally part of (what makes up) God, leaving Heaven bound for Mary's womb.
Third Woe. Now I'm not sure with tribulation sequence this follows - or if it follows one at all - but are you referring to the second coming of a fiery-eyed Jesus with a sword in hand after the 7 years where the whole host of Heaven joins Him for a smackdown of the demons and/or the unfaithful idolators?
Okay, maybe I'm forgetting my Bible prophecy, but are you referring to the two prophets who get killed, or actual olive trees?
Where, may I ask, are you getting your information? If it's not from the Bible, which I assume you believe was pieced together by those trying to manipulate the Way, then what are your sources?
So it's in the Bible but must be picked through to find the truth like a bargain bin? Are you of the mind that the Gospels are enough? Just trying to see where you're coming from. And who's making money off the Bible?
So Matthew and you're good? What do you think about those who say Mark (named for Peter's disciple) was written first and the two other Synoptics were copies with a little Q thrown in for good measure?
The Way, as taught by Jesus to His disciples, was at some point, perhaps early on, taken to be the facade of something more sinister and less moral, upright and Holy?
If this is near-accurate, do you believe Jesus was the visible image of God, actually God in the flesh?
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2 toneii 2015-05-24
And if religions were like mobile phone operating systems, which would be which?
Christianity would be Android - a lot of sub franchisees and variants in on the act.
Islam IOS - rigidly controlled walled garden with sexual imagery covered up.
Judiasm would be Windows Phone - very small market share. Plenty of potential but stunted by its own ethics.
0 ElitePep212 2015-05-24
Commenting so I can save this gem
2 SyncMaster710n 2015-05-24
I'm a Muslim and I believe that these are simply prophesies and events leading up to the day of judgment.
2 nHenk-pas 2015-05-24
I really don't want to insult you because I think we should respect others beliefs. But does the fact that every single generation of humans believed 'the end times' were coming closer, influence that thought? I think it's a dangerous to believe in judgment day and I think humans are inclined to have a cognitive bias when it comes to 'signs of the apocalypse'. Again, don't want to insult you, but I don't think Allah would allow billions to suffer simply because they grow up in an area no-one has ever read the Quran.
By the way OT: I'm an atheist, but I strongly believe we need some sort of ideology to keep people from being rich parasites who rot our economy from the inside out. Before you ask, yes I've read (parts of) the Bible and the Quran, and I really think that if it really is the word of God/Allah, he would've sent a new prophet to clarify some things, and who could update hundreds of years old guidelines.
0 SyncMaster710n 2015-05-24
No, because the prophecies that happened so far are true and reasonable and have been mentioned in the previous scriptures. Here is a list for the curious: http://www.islaam.org/Al_Mahdi/all-one-page.htm#minor
I think its reasonable because when there are no consequences its human nature to do what ever we feel like. Believing in an ultimate justice prevents many from doing crimes that they could get away with.
We believe the same , as Muslims its our belief that no one but God can decide who goes to heaven and who does not regardless of his or her religion.
One does not become a doctor overnight, likewise one does not become an Islamic scholar over night. Grand things take a grand amount of time to understand.
If I don't know how to cook something I'll refer to a chef likewise if I don't understand something in Islam I'll refer to a scholar.
2 humanefly 2015-05-24
It seems to me that if this were true, athiests would commit more crimes than religious people; however I don't think there is any evidence to support that notion what so ever,
0 SyncMaster710n 2015-05-24
Well we live in a civilized society where we have laws and regulations to deter atheists as well from committing crimes.
1 Love_And_Light33 2015-05-24
The bottom of the conspiracy rabbit hole is the spiritual nature of reality. Even though religions are a part of the control system, God is not only real but the very basis of reality from which all else manifests. All we experience has a deep spiritual purpose, and our consciousness is immensely powerful in creating our reality. The hiding of this knowledge is the number one priority of the elite.
The Kybalion is a great introduction into the spiritual structure of the reality we experience.
1 nolesforever 2015-05-24
Not I.
I think it's counterintuitive to be a skeptic, for lack of a better word, and still buy into religion.
1 wakeuphisnameisYahsh 2015-05-24
Anyone who believes the bible to be a Devine work. Remember the messiah came to get rid of religion, Those that follow Yahweh must follow in Spirit and in truth. So the op knows it was writtin that Babylon would rule the world, Babylon defined as secret society's. Secret society's today are a mash up of every ancient one.
1 cranman802 2015-05-24
Jeepers H Crackers, religion is the greatest conspiracy ever unleashed! Accept for the conspiracy to destroy your religion of choice of course.
1 onemananswerfactory 2015-05-24
go on...
0 toneii 2015-05-24
I tend to look at religions as valid psychological operating systems and vehicles for culture. I don't 'believe' in religions, but I acknowledge their validity on some level, even if they are not factually precise in all of their claims. I respect some people who are religious. I don't like to be anti- religious as that would limit my potential for friendships.
Here is an example. One of my friends from HS is a fireman. I can understand that he "knows Jesus" every day, because he might die in the line of duty on any given day. I respect and understand that operating psychology, but it's not my own.
0 [deleted] 2015-05-24
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2 onemananswerfactory 2015-05-24
So you're saying Jesus didn't exist or His story is exaggerated?
1 [deleted] 2015-05-24
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2 onemananswerfactory 2015-05-24
So do you believe Jesus was a conspiracy?
1 [deleted] 2015-05-24
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2 onemananswerfactory 2015-05-24
He existed. Let's continue...
1 [deleted] 2015-05-24
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2 onemananswerfactory 2015-05-24
Sure, probably all of the Pharisees and Sadducees.
1 [deleted] 2015-05-24
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2 onemananswerfactory 2015-05-24
Most likely scenario since He was disrupting their "have cake and eat it, too" situation.
Romans just didn't want a Jewish uprising, yet found no fault in Jesus and handed Him over to the Sanhedrin.
1 youfuckingslaves 2015-05-24
Jesus is the sun. He is the son of Lucifer. https://youtu.be/dcpVrtv2t-M Sun worshippers rule this place, Jesuits, Freemasonry etc...
I have no religion because I have studied them all, they are all control systems. These sun worshippers are heliocentrists. They have lied to you about the globe your whole life, the earth is flat!
1 onemananswerfactory 2015-05-24
Waiting for the....gotcha!
0 Ubericious 2015-05-24
I'm a diest cause I know I'm gonna be wrong if I believe anything else
2 onemananswerfactory 2015-05-24
I dub you Ubericious, Hedger of the Bets.
0 treerat 2015-05-24
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." ~Seneca the younger
https://4zea.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/34130_540.jpg
-1 shah256 2015-05-24
Religion Is for the weak-minded.
2 onemananswerfactory 2015-05-24
What about God outside the constraints of religion?
-1 shah256 2015-05-24
That's fine.!! But If I head Abraham, Joshua, Muhammad, Elron etc I'm gonna stop listening.
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2 onemananswerfactory 2015-05-24
The Way meaning what Christianity was called at the onset?
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1 onemananswerfactory 2015-05-24
Allow me to speculate as to your position...
The Way, as taught by Jesus to His disciples, was at some point, perhaps early on, taken to be the facade of something more sinister and less moral, upright and Holy?
If this is near-accurate, do you believe Jesus was the visible image of God, actually God in the flesh?
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1 onemananswerfactory 2015-05-24
Um, hm. "The Mansion" and "Third Woe" are news to me. What are they?
And by your verbiage you don't seem to be implying that Jesus was just the name given to the eternal Word, literally part of (what makes up) God, leaving Heaven bound for Mary's womb.
1 [deleted] 2015-05-24
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1 onemananswerfactory 2015-05-24
Oh, the mansion in Heaven, right.
Third Woe. Now I'm not sure with tribulation sequence this follows - or if it follows one at all - but are you referring to the second coming of a fiery-eyed Jesus with a sword in hand after the 7 years where the whole host of Heaven joins Him for a smackdown of the demons and/or the unfaithful idolators?
0 [deleted] 2015-05-24
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1 onemananswerfactory 2015-05-24
Okay, maybe I'm forgetting my Bible prophecy, but are you referring to the two prophets who get killed, or actual olive trees?
Where, may I ask, are you getting your information? If it's not from the Bible, which I assume you believe was pieced together by those trying to manipulate the Way, then what are your sources?
1 [deleted] 2015-05-24
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1 onemananswerfactory 2015-05-24
So it's in the Bible but must be picked through to find the truth like a bargain bin? Are you of the mind that the Gospels are enough? Just trying to see where you're coming from. And who's making money off the Bible?
1 [deleted] 2015-05-24
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1 onemananswerfactory 2015-05-24
So the Book of Matthew (possibly not written by its namesake) was not altered?
1 [deleted] 2015-05-24
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1 onemananswerfactory 2015-05-24
So Matthew and you're good? What do you think about those who say Mark (named for Peter's disciple) was written first and the two other Synoptics were copies with a little Q thrown in for good measure?
1 onemananswerfactory 2015-05-24
Allow me to speculate as to your position...
The Way, as taught by Jesus to His disciples, was at some point, perhaps early on, taken to be the facade of something more sinister and less moral, upright and Holy?
If this is near-accurate, do you believe Jesus was the visible image of God, actually God in the flesh?
1 onemananswerfactory 2015-05-24
Waiting for the....gotcha!