They would have to kill me to stop me from seeing my child one last time. If they detained me long enough, I would come out, head to the graveyard and dig it up. Anyone who tried to stop me would get shot. How no parents have lost their mind over this shows that something is very wrong.
I don't know man. I'm a father, and I don't know if I'd want to see if it were my kid. I feel like I would be haunted forever with the image of how they ended up, and I might rather not have my memory of them overshadowed by an image of them dead on the floor full of bullet holes.
My mom died in a head-on accident when I was 13. It was closed coffin, but we saw her one last time before people came in. I was scared, but I would have always regretted not saying good-bye. She was fine: no one part of her was all of her, because all of her was in every part. In a way, it meant she cheated death by shining through it. That's why you need to say good-bye, so you know you haven't lost them.
You never actually stop seeing dead bodies once you have seen them. I tend to agree that viewing a loved one is going to interfere with happy memories of them.
You're trying to twist statements to mean things that they don't mean. It won't work.
First, "The parents weren't allowed to see their dead children" is not the same claim as "the parents never saw the bodies." Which claim are you making? They can "not see" the body while still being "allowed" to" (meaning, some of them may have opted not to see the mutilated remains of their child.) So what exactly are you claiming was the case? Be specific.
But either way, the medical examiner is referring to the identification process on the first day. You're just cherry-picking quotes and ignoring context. After the bodies were identified, they went to the next of kin.
I mean, you do know that several of the victims had open-casket funerals right? The ones whose heads were intact?
The medical examiner himself said they were not allowed to see the bodies themselves after the shooting itself, not that they chose not to, that they would only let them see pictures of them. A few of them did have open casket funerals, but that was quite a bit after the shooting itself and this interview.
If anything you are trying to paint things out of context here and twist words.
No, but do you not find it odd that they do not allow them to see the body? 99% of the time in cases in which they do find bodies they will ask the next of kin to identify the remains, not the alleged photo of them. It's not that the parents simply elected not to. If one or two children were shot enough to not be enough left to identify, sure I can see it, but all 26?
The parents didn't see them until days later when they were finished with the bodies.
It's the best form of ensuring that the dead body you found is who you think it may be. Would you be alright with not being 100% sure in announcing a child dead?
Being 100% sure is always a good thing. It's just kind of shocking imagine a parent having to ID their 5 year old... but I guess it happens every day :/
It's a very simple, logical argument: If the parents are "in on it" (implied by the accusation that they are faking their grief) then why would there be any reason to claim they never saw the bodies (since, by necessity of the first point, there are no bodies and the parents are just actors.)
And either you can answer this very simple question, or you can't. Step up your game. No whining and bitching about shills necessary when it's just your own failure to think through your own beliefs.
It wasn't a lie, there is video of the parents saying they weren't allowed to see their children.
/But probably even dumber than that is the combination of "the parents should have been hysterical" with "they didn't get to see their children."
When you say this, you are compounding false logic. Both are true, yet you take them as false and assume it is somehow natural to do so.
/So, the parents are in on it, but they aren't?
This is your premise, or strawman. In general, to people who believe it didn't happen, but was merely a staged event to direct policy, then of course the "parents" were in on it. Saying they couldn't see their children doesn't suggest they weren't, it suggests that as much was kept from public view as possible. If you had staged a hoax, you would want as little hard evidence available as possible. For example, releasing the autopsy of the "Boston bomber" showed the holes in their narrative. Literally.
You created a strawman in your head and rolled with it into ever murkier scapes.
I was picking up supplies in a warehouse the other day and one of the guys asked what I was listening to. He could hear it from my truck. It was sword and scale podcast specifically the one about the child prostitution ring that included everyone in power in Nebraska and went as high as the president. I told him and he said in a quiet tone " so... Do you believe in the conspiracy stuff?" I replied well.. You can't say they don't happen.
He sighed in relief and went on a 20 minute thing about how 911 was inside job and sandy hook looked suspicious as well as a few others.
Most of us have already gone through a phase of ridicule by strangers, friends, and family. It's a relief to talk about these things it's hard to hold it in when you first hear about it or think about it.
That won't stop us though. We hear the truth, we see the truth, we speak the truth.
Still there and it's goddamn painful. Family, friends, and basically anyone else. All think I'm out of line with my thoughts. With family, they simply don't agree but hear me out. Friends literally roll their eyes and tell me to shut up if anything closely resembling a conspiracy is brought up. My family creates valid discussions at least, whereas my friends are simply scared of being exposed to such information. What do they gain from viewing this information? Ridiculing "conspiracy theorists" is THE #1 defense mechanism of most average people.
ADD: So that is why I'm thankful as hell for this place.
I know how you feel. But you are not alone. You will find people who think like you on the internet, and maybe one or two in real life. Those are really precious.
It all boils down to extra bombs pictured and reported locally on TV. The security camera's were mostly disabled. There was a matching rental truck parked in a local military installation of some kind in the time leading up.
The take home was the FBI and several Iraqi's (!) did the deed.
Unfortunately the best source, although pretty well documented, is Alex Jones.
He is controlled opposition but first he had to gather a huge following before he could lead them off a cliff. This information was reported during the gathering of a following.
As far as I know we never got to hear a single word from McVeigh before his execution. Do you have anything on that?
I fully agree about Mr. Jones.but he did have the local early TV images and report of an extra unexplained bomb in the back of a pickup truck. You have to take what you can get from wherever you can get it and strain out the bullshit all along the way.
The report you've cited is an officer's account of letting workers in to clean the building. No other verification or evidence is given. Just one officer's official story.
The officer says cleanup did not start until 12/31/13, 17 days after the "shooting". That is a long time to let the blood of 26 victims rot.
Granting for the sake of argument that the school was not ADA compliant, why would this indicate it was not a real school? Are you of the belief that ADA violations never happen?
Sandy Hook was not ADA-Compliant judging by the limited pictures released. Two bathroom pix were released; neither bathroom was ADA-Compliant nor were most of the doors, the drinking fountains, nor the exits.
In this state, that means that they cannot be "open for business" as a school.
One of the most interesting places to start, to me, is the blood. Supposedly 26 people died in a couple of rooms in that building. To clean up the blood, you need to file a permit with the state health department, the EPA needs to be notified, and one of a handful of EPA-certified hazmat companies can do the clean-up. A bunch of people did FOIA requests and directly called both the EPA and the CT state health department. They also called every EPA-certified clean-up company in the surrounding states. There is no record of any blood clean-up or even a permit application. For the companies contacted - no one admitted to doing the clean-up, nor knew who did.
Another falsehood by Hoaxers.
Clean Harbors, Inc cleaned Sandy Hook as listed in Book 2 198991. PDF
Aftermath Specialists did Yogananda. Book 2 198985
[Edit] Oh, look: downvotes. Guess the hoaxers are really the ones trying to hide the truth!
I don't know. But I can say, few of the allegations put forward by the hoax theory supporters stand up to scrutiny. The evidence for it seems scant and weak to me.
As this thread shows, some people are still making this false claim. If you want to disprove Clean Harbors and Aftermath Specialists did the work, go right ahead: I'd love to know what you find. But it just cannot be alleged - and I quote - "no one admitted to doing the clean-up, nor knew who did."
It wasn't a false claim until the report was written 7-10 months after which makes me wonder when it was first noticed. I listened to podcasts on this when there were people asking the question to the authorities, it wasn't fabricated.
From another forum:
Clean Harbors, Inc. got the job to clean up Sandy Hook Elementary, but they also had huge volume of stock trading in the days after the shootings.
I see that 13 of their corporate officers sold shares of stock on 12/15/12. This totaled just about 597,000 shares of company stock. There hasn't been that type of action since.
But the strange thing is...in Book 2 / 00198991.pdf (page 3) The job wasn't bid out....they were simply assigned by the FBI to do the clean up of the scene.
Workers arrived and were told to NOT bring cameras, phones, or other electronic devices in the school.
On January 4, 2013, they removed 63 boxes of "biological waste".
Clean Harbors indicated the items would be secured at their facility and then shipped for disposal to Oklahoma and Arizona.
I see that 13 of their corporate officers sold shares of stock on 12/15/12. This totaled just about 597,000 shares of company stock. There hasn't been that type of action since.
Going to need a verifiable citation for that. Not least because December 15, 2012 was a Saturday, so the market was closed... Also
shows a trivial amount of insider e.g. by the directors, etc. In December 2012 AND January 2013, there were only 500 shares sold, not the 597,000 claimed, and no indication I can see of any unusual activity.
I do believe that the disgrace you spoke of is entirely possible and plausible... Though it sucks to believe that. I'm not saying Sandy Hook was or wasn't a real event or hoax it misreported.
Because that's the only way to make sure that all of these people see the info. I know I don't usually revisit full threads. I'll make a post, and then revisit the thread I posted in, but that's about it.
Admittingly I never did anything of this caliber by any means, but I used to work for a carpet cleaning company and I cleaned up many blood spills. Murders, assaults--- you name it. No permit was involved. This is going back 15 years, so I'm sure things have changed.
If you can find them, there were photos taken of the class room after the alleged shooting that showed no blood anywhere. Also there was a parent who was allowed to visit the school. I don't have the links handy, but if you care to, it's worth looking into.
Hey, I would recommend you to not use Google. It's the most used and widely available search engine, and in my opinion the most prone to "fuckery". It has its uses, but for something like that you may have better luck with duckduckgo.
The most widely recognized name regarding "alternative research" I believe is Wolfgang Halbig. If you look him up you should be able to find his material regarding alternative theories and probably counterpoints to his.
Another word of advice: don't take his, or any one else's, word for anything. Question everything, and when someone offers sources CHECK THEIR SOURCES. Without checking, you won't know if it's a legitimate source or if the link is even still valid. A lot of people everything at face value when a hyperlink is involved.
I also interpret the censorship of the results of Google as more evidence of their working hand-in-hand with the United States Government and its directives. It's also been reported that their executives have very very frequent(2-3x a week) meetnf with high level White House officials. They also have representatives present at the Bilderberg Group meeting.
Knowledge is power in a lot of facets, and they hold the keys to the largest collective wealth of knowledge in the history of humanity. They choose how the citizens of dozens of powerful countries get their knowledge, and it would be a necessary strategy for the survival of the government itself to suppress and promote news stories at will.
Google introducted a search engine were popularity of the masses choices using certain key words dictated what the search engine of Google thought it should deliver as results.
So if someone put in something like A hard days night , then google would return the most popular choice other users selected as the most like information you would want as well. Which means they would put up the results of the Beatles as the top hit.
The search engines before Google changed the way we searched for information used a search criterion of counting how many times those words showed up in a websites content as well as the information inside the header of a website as key words (called meta tags) that the public does not see. The web pages that included the words most often was delivered as the top choices.
To get choices based on key words would mean you will needto use an older search engine. I believe that www.excite.com is still available to the public and (seems to me) is still operating as they use to. Your results may be different because of the differences in how the search engines function.
Does anyone else have a link to a different search engine that doesn't operate like Google?
Thank you for the link. I like using different search engines when I search for different material or am looking for a variety of sources most people don't look for.
Yes, when you search google, Google knows who you are and what your search habits are and caters results just for you. It's called an information bubble and Facebook does the same thing.
Duckduckgo just provides the most relevant information without tracking the user.
It pulls search results from Yahoo Bing and a few other search engines, it really doesn't suck. Also it doesn’t include results from content mills, sites that publish thousands of articles consistently. That type of material is seen by them as “low quality.” This strategy will produce less results, but the results you get will be of higher quality.
Private browsing mode is just to keep your mom from seeing your porn history, it does nothing to conceal your online identity.
You're going to need at the least, a tracker blocker such as ghostery, a virtual private network such as privateinternetaccess, possibly a user agent spoofer.
like the fact it was reported that the younger tsarnaev got shot in the throat, and thats why he was unable to speak. but yet they have a clear picture of him standing outside the boat with his hands in the air, and no wound on his neck. also something to note that the police officer who released that photo was disciplined because he wasnt supposed to release it. or the picture of the older brother in handcuffs, when apparently he was killed in a shootout. boston stinks really bad.
It more than stinks it really is possible to prove its a hoax beyond a reasonable doubt. Of course up against a corrupt government and its resources counter proofs can, will and have been manufactured. Nevertheless, a thinking person with access to enough of what is, or was, available can prove it to themselves. Unlike Sandy Hook where you just end up thinking WTF over and over.
i hear ya. i just dont understand why people today have such overwhelming trust of government. it makes no sense to me. governments are notoriously the most corrupt institutions ever, and yet people blindly trust whatever spews out of their lying mouths.
It is deemed politically incorrect to ask any question about Sandy Hook that run against the grain of the official story. It is a thought crime to not trust the CNN version of events.
But CNN would never misrepresent what is happening....or would they?
I have done extensive research on the Boston bombing. Not once have I seen any proof of a psyop. Curious to this. Would you send me a link so I can check it out for myself ?
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Getting down voted for asking for information to educate myself further? Is that not literally the point of this sub?
After posting the links, I figure you're probably kidding me. The fakery is explicit in every video/photograph. Not to knock your 'research' or anything... In case you're serious, here you go:
Thanks I will take a stab at these when I get off work today. I fully am aware of a lot of fuckery but not the psyop other than training shit and the guys with the hats.
Video guy here. The fact that not one camera operator on the finish line bridge, moved to zoom in and capture the bombing footage speaks volumes all in itself. There is only one camera that released footage of a time-laps of the footage, and it was sped up so bad that almost none of it was useable. it also never changed position. Total controlled media.
Well honestly, I couldn't find the youtube video I wanted. I encourage you to search for the immediate aftermath footage and see if you can count more than ~10 injured people. Then look up the official injury count.
The latest count is higher than earlier estimates and reflects patients who may not have sought medical help at the scene but later checked in to hospitals in the area, said Nick Martin, a spokesman for the commission.
Sounds like they're counting anyone that went to the hospital to get checked out after the incident.
Did you see Jeff Bauman in the wheelchair? Double severed femoral arteries? Just sitting upright, looking like he might have just gotten bitten by a mosquito or need to take a poo?
I really hate to say t but hat video isn't quite helpful. While it does point out a few strange things it uses hella fallacies. As it shows a woman with blood on her face with the text overlay saying "look no blood" I almost think that was made by anticonspiracy believers to take away validity of the legit problems with the bombing.
I dont have the time to eli5 it but here are a couple things to ponder.
Find the video of the finish line site watch the flags as the "blast" aka smokebomb goes off. Now tell me if that wind velocity could tear the top off a rice pudding let alone arms and legs.
Find the relevant photos of casual-hoody-sunglasses-anon-guy and watch his actions from the first photo you find. Which should be one of him crouching against the wall near the site before the bang.
Have you ever seen Bloomberg's emails about how to capitalize on Sandy hook? Within a few hours of that tragedy, he was trying to figure out how to get guns taken away, the emails will make you sick...
Just the way he tried to capitalize on the event literally hours after it happened. There's no sorrow or anything in any of them, just "ok, what celebrities can we get for these commercials"
To be fair he's discussing a work issue with colleagues not directly involved in any loss (I presume), no real need to express emotional opinion in them. Also, cynical as it may be, and, if sandy hook took place, moving quickly to help a cause such as an anti gun policy whilst the issue is high on the agenda is a good ploy. I expect there were numerous emails flying around after the event in the political world, the pro gun lobby was probably preparing it's statement too.
True I guess but Bloomberg makes me ill. He tries to take guns away here and then jets off to israel to shake hands with a genocidal megalomaniac and approves of the BS that goes on over there.
Are you joking? This subreddit brings up the sandy hook conspiracy at least once a week and everyone upvotes it to the front page. I think my biggest conspiracy theory is that /r/conspiracy is a satirical circlejerk, because I find it hard to believe that people who worship skepticism can be this conformed and stupid.
That's fun but it is interesting for people new to reddit or to conspiracies. This is the only sandy hook thing I've ever bothered to read. Most titles scare people away? Don't know don't care.
The donated Christmas trees were already in the news shots on the day it supposedly occurred. No bio hazard clean up was ever ordered. There is a ton of stuff that indicates this was BS. Parents were staged actors laughing moments before going on camera. If my 5 year old died it would be many years before i would laugh again. This stinks to high fucking heaven.
As pointed out before as well. All the donation sites are bunk. It takes to long to set up legitimate donation centers, and accounts. Robbies were done in less than 24 hours. That's an impossibility.....anyone can go try to set one up and will in no way be able to set one up in less than 5 working days.
I would never consent to an interview. Because of the way the media exploits people I would have not been able to talk to anyone had I lost a child there. some parents were highly ready to speak to the cameras.
No life flight choppers, the felon from NY, the shed, the edited dash cam footage, and Robbie 'laughing minutes after my daughter died' Parker. It's all crashing down on them.
Our district will be implementing a security system in all elementary schools as part of our ongoing efforts to ensure student safety. As usual, exterior doors will be locked during the day. Every visitor will be required to ring the doorbell at the front entrance and the office staff will use a visual monitoring system to allow entry."
http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2013/01/08/where-is-sandy-hook-schools-surveilliance-video/
There's also a visible camera outside the school but what does it matter when they can just say they weren't working.
The exterior of the main entrance door way had a call box, buzzer system with a video camera. The call box was installed in 2005. The video camera did not record, but the video could be viewed live on three monitoring systems on the secretaries’ desks in the main office, with no recording capabilities. The electronic unlocking of the front doors was done by using a “key button” on any of the three monitoring systems.
OP research "traumatic based control" and remember anything in the mainstream news is most likely conjured up to keep the human mind in a state of control.
Also there is a good documentary on the subject as well.
Research this title: We Need to Talk about Sandy Hook
Simple, Mind / Thought Control. Keeping people on pins and needles with that "hint of fear" in the background that something evil might happen that does it.
I will say that once you start researching it, the rabbit hole is huge and long! You'll have to prepare yourself for that ride.
...Where were the teachers. Where were the students besides a few pictures of ~10 students. Why were cops running at the wrong school? What was up with the men in the woods (they claimed to be distressed parents). Why is there no video footage of Adam despite recent security camera updates? Why weren't first responders allowed on the scene...it goes on and on. I agree with an earlier poster who said that Sandy Hook isn't as open and shut as Boston, because SH just has a lot of holes. With Boston, there is obvious fakery recorded on video.
One crazy thing about Boston bombing is the reported injury count in the hundreds. A quick look at the photos tells you that at the most ~10 people are lying on the ground.
There was also a post from an orthopedic surgeon (or maybe ER doc) on reddit not so long ago stating that she saw no victims in the ER that day from the Boston Bombing.
Look at the photos of the double amputee Jeff ___ being wheeled off the scene. That would never happen -- paramedics would never place a gravity-dependent injury in a wheelchair and not a stretcher.
Just, very simply, how long can a person remain conscious with 2 severed femoral arteries and zero blood pressure?
I know in Brazilian jiu jitsu / MMA, a person will pass out after 5 seconds of having both carotid arteries blocked.
edit: Oh, and then the guy triumphantly appeared at a PR event (hockey game) 19 days after having his legs blown off. 19 days. I've had pulled hamstrings that take longer to heal. smh
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Here's a Hollywood producer explaining how he things the Boston Bombing was done:
I am so confused now. But if all of these people are actors, who is paying them? and why havent any of them talked yet? Wouldnt this be leaked eventually???
You're asking the right questions. I can never understand the lengths this sub goes to to pretend/imagine that every large scale event is a carefully orchestrated dog and pony show.
From the research I have done about the Boston bombing it seems most likely that it was yet another FBI terrorist sting (one of dozens) except this one got away from them and resulted in an actual attack.
See, lots of questions that get no one answers. They just feed people what they want them to see over and over. Its all calculated based on mind control studies.
Google a guy called Wolfgang Halbig. He's a former cop and school district employee who has spent the last few years digging into Sandy Hook. He has some really excellent points.
He's a distraction shill. Makes people think someone is doing something about the hoax so regular people don't dig. He's been at it for over a year and has gotten nowhere. He's collected donations for his agenda of FOA requests....which are free to do. His 10 and now 16 questions are bogus and immature, and other people have stated have been answered long ago. Halbig just looks past that and continues his scam. Go read the questions.....written by a 12 year old.
To be fair, he has a legitimate background and his donations fund transportation and attorney fees. Never the less, he is far from the solution we want or need in regards to gathering "we the people" against this terrorist conspiracy against the american populace.
And he harasses teachers and parents, not government officials. Then begs for more money. That's enough proof for me that the guy is a creep and in no way interested in cracking open real conspiracies lying beneath the Sandy Hook tragedy.
Yes I've been suspicious of it from day one. No medevac choppers were called in which is the fastest way to get people to the hospital. And I read somewhere that the FBI put "0" deaths for the event in their national crime thing or something. Very strange. And I remember seeing some of the parents laughing/ not looking sad at all talking to cameras!!! Like wtf??? And I also read the entire school was demolished and rebuilt. Why??? Part of me feels nobody actually died there that day and it was just a big psyop to pass more gun control laws.
No medevac choppers were called in which is the fastest way to get people to the hospital.
nope. Choppers have prep times. It is far from the fastest, when a car is already on scene and the hospital is a short distance away. Please stop spreading this disinformation.
And I read somewhere that the FBI put "0" deaths for the event in their national crime thing or something.
You read wrong. The FBI did no such thing. You really should stop reading sources that are demonstratably lying to you if you have any self respect at all.
And I also read the entire school was demolished and rebuilt. Why???
Because 26 people were slaughtered there and they had money to build a new school. Also it has not yet been rebuilt.
Part of me feels nobody actually died there that day and it was just a big psyop to pass more gun control laws.
Please cut out that part of you. There may still be time.
Two police officers rushed the only two surviving child victims to hospital in their own cars. Neither made it. There were no other wounded children, just deceased. No one for the ambulances to pick up. No one for the choppers to pick up, for that matter.
So why was anyone who tried to investigate it threatened and intimidated by cops ? And do you have any proof for your counterclaims? How about the one about the parents just laughing and not looking sad? You conveniently ignored that bit.
So why was anyone who tried to investigate it threatened and intimidated by cops ?
No one has, at least not that I'm aware of. Wolfgang Halbig claims he was, but he's a well-known liar and fraud, in addition to being an evil lunatic. No police visited him. Ask him for badge numbers if you don't believe me.
Apologies if that's not who you were referring to, I have not heard of any other cases.
And do you have any proof for your counterclaims?
Which ones require proof? They were mostly based on common sense and the axiom that claims presented without any evidence require no evidence to dismiss. For example, "helicopters are the fastest way to transport victims in all cases" is just pure horseshit. It does not reflect reality. There's no need for a source, just like there's no need to cite a source for the number 3 coming after 2 and before 4.
How about the one about the parents just laughing and not looking sad? You conveniently ignored that bit.
This is more a matter of life experience and intelligence. If you believe traumatized and grieving parents are weeping 24 hours a day, then you will have some unpleasant realizations if you ever find yourself in the position to know first or even second hand. PTSD, shock, and the grieving process are complicated. Losing someone inspires both sadness and gratefulness that you knew that person. Where do you think the concept of a "celebration of life" ceremony comes from?
Heh. Yeah. Ever since President Obama did his AMA, some things have been off about Reddit.
It's easier to start a controversy in subreddits that have absolutely nothing to do with the main page or modern topics. I frequent /r/ArtisanVideos, which is about blacksmiths making knives, potters making pottery and cooks cooking. I've seen people start calling each other out over censorship in that sub, and mods jump and ban people for little things.
Reddit is also not a good place to look for Sandy Hook info. A while back all the subs got deleted and scrubbed because a few people posted peoples names, addresses, contact info, ect. So the mods scrubbed reddit for almost everything Sandy Hook related. They did this even though most information was publicly available on google.
When you find the video of the guy at Sandy Hook taking his mask off by the bus......then you will know whats up. enjoy looking. Try Namesnotmary on youtube.
I once posted a write up on "Oil Train Car Derailments", an analysis on said incidents occurring within the United States and Canada, with more focus on those regions around the proposed Keystone XL pipeline, in order to determine whether or not there was an active conspiracy being engaged in to purposely derail oil tanker rail cars in order to garner support to pass the Keystone XL pipeline.
I can not find this information online anymore, no search of my username and any combination of keywords, or even keywords alone, provides me with a result which is the post I was maintaining detailing these things.
I feel it was deleted, as I definitely posted it, but by whom, I do not know and do not seem to be able to determine.
I feel that as you are stating about this Sandy Hook information, that there is a grand conspiracy being enacted right now, to remove information from the internet.
This is why people need to keep hard copies of information that is really that important.
It's nice that the KJV bible is online, but I still have my physical KJV bible just so that I know that I have a form of the text which is guaranteed to always have the same words on the page. You can hack a website, but you can't exactly hack a book.
Sandy Hook is not an isolated event. If you've watched the second video to the end, you will realize the US is no longer a safe place to live. I suggest leaving the country (may not be possible), getting all your assets out of US institutions (easier said than done), THEN spreading the word. That's what I did, anyhow.
Always possible something unpredictable could come along and fix everything. I will never be more happy to be wrong in all my life. But I believe we're looking at the next Great Depression... if we're lucky.
I'm glad you came forward. As someone who has looked into the issue, it seems to be pretty clear that the incident was a false flag attack, and I was beginning to wonder if anyone connected to Sandy Hook noticed any inconsistencies.
I would highly recommend that you watch the first 40 or so minutes of each of these two documentaries:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxTafqejV6k
This second documentary goes into further depth and assumes you already know some of the inconsistencies of what happened. This documentary focuses more on WHY they would fake such an incident.
my favorite sandy hook bit of evidence is someone who searched google maps, and got the satellite view of the school, and a nearby school...and showed sandy hook to be inactive. they cannot hide all the evidence, but can make it hard to find.
the coroner was an absolute cook. the aerial photos showing no real movement from any of the vehicles in the parking lot. the crisis actor who played the concerned neighbor who took in 5 kids or so to protect them to add legitimacy to the story and the military style gunman filmed exiting the rear of the campus who was strangely never pursued. don't worry about the people who attack you, they are so closed minded and many are full of hate.
Shortly after the shooting, this event as well as many gun-related deaths were brought to light in mainstream media as a way to soften the blow when the government would attempt to strip citizens of the right to own a firearm. It was one of the many attempts to disarm the people and take away the right to bear arms.
Thank you for the reply. I'm not at all familiar with the case (from uk), I am trying to understand what people are saying the end goal was to any conspiracy.
Are you kidding me??? They've been trying to remove the second amendment for I don't know how long. They've had multiple false flags. They don't want anyone capable of fighting back when the dollar dies and people are forced to riot. Seriously how do you not understand gun control?
Hi, thanks for your response. I do understand gun control, I come from a country with very strict gun control. We seem to get along OK here and have less massacres than you guys. Do you honestly think that the people toting gun control laws for the US are all in collusion to create a situation whereby the government turns into a dictatorship? What good would that do them? Business would suffer profits would suffer, malcontent would reign, the country would ultimately suffer. What sort of end goal is that? If I were out to take control of a populace this wouldn't be high on the list of suggestions.
Ok, so by the last sentence I can see you don't get it. I'm not American either but I know why the second amendment exists. To stop the same exact thing that is happening now. Of course I don't think that everyone is in on this. That's absolutely ridiculous. They're doing it for their reasons, some are pushed along by those that do not want a people that can defend themselves.
What good? They don't have to shoot everyone, they just knock on their door and take them. You want to take control of everyone and you don't think this would be top priority? They could and would all ban together and fucking shoot you. Then you would understand this is one of the most important things they need to deal with.
You think businesses have a say? They've been writing thousands of laws restricting what you can purchase. The people who want this done don't need any fucking money. They make the money.
Finally, you don't understand when this would matter. By the time they would have to deal with gun owners, the dollar would've collapsed already. There are no profits at that time, the businesses are trying to stop looters.
The end goal is control. I thought everyone knew you can't control an armed country. That is why the second amendment exists. Do some research into the past and the economic collapse we're in and maybe you'll have enough puzzle pieces to understand this.
OK, there seems to be a recurring theme to your argument. They, whoever they are, want to control the populace. Who are they and why do they want it. If it's not money then what? Power? Power to do what?
Sorry, I realized I didn't really clarify but I'm talking about the elite, central bankers, bilderberg. The one's who don't want to lose their power, they just want more. That's what happens when you get it. It's hard to understand but it's one of the best highs you can get. That's why they fuck little boys, they're powerless and that really gets them off or something.
Don't take it from me, this is out there. I would say more but I can't explain this to you and it wouldn't be worth it without context. I don't know all the motivations. I wish I could explain more but if you want to know, you have examine all the information yourself. I'll send you something.
There was a user a while back who was doing extensive research into Sandy Hook anomalies, combing over pictures, going through financial and real estate records, etc. This user uncovered a ton of weird and unexplained details and had a list of questions that had never been adequately answered.
This user had at least three of her accounts shadowbanned by the reddit admins as well as having two entire subreddits banned and deleted - both subreddits were focused specifically on investigating Sandy Hook.
Watch "We need to talk about sandy hook", also while many have had doubts as to his legitimacy, Wolfgang Halbig has been making some progress with FOIA requests etc - he also caught something I didn't through the school photos, the whole place was full of mold which adds to the theory of it not being a working school. One of the bigger issues for me remains the police declaring everyone dead instead of allowing EMS to do their job. Obviously you're most interested in SH being a teacher but you should look at other events as well which may make this easier to accept - it's a bit of a process for some to learn the world is a whole lot more corrupt than we are led to believe. eg. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95rreUsziEc and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWuAct1BxHU and https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cia+media
Is Sandy Hook a real town, though? And since it is wouldn't there be real students and real faculty from that real school who could have come forward to say "nothing happened that day! What are you all talking about?", if in fact, the entire event was staged and so-called crisis actors were used? Wouldn't the actual people who went to that school have noticed this?
Exactly. Surely there are people who live in Sandy Hook who would have called it out after it was all over the national media. Unless the entire town is an FBI campground haha.
Alright can someone answer a few things for me? Assuming everything is a conspiracy, why would sandy hook happen? what benefit was there for whoever it was (besides who they say it was) to shoot up a school. Also the same questions thrown at the boston bombing. I cant figure it out but maybe im looking at it wrong, i see no possible benefit from these things. Can someone clearify why these are conspiracys?
Boston Bombing was a live exercise in how martial law will work. That hasn't been done in a long time and not with our current military equipment. They took the data to see how they could improve and how their equipment would be utilized.
So youre saying if the government were to start pulling a putin (killing off rivals) then the citizens would have no access to that data to prove it was an assassination? Thats what i get out of this.
Damn, didn't know anyone actually believed that propaganda about Putin killing opposition who had absolutely no chance of winning any kind of election.
You need to see how many times gun control has been pushed by the Sandy Hook fraudsters since the event. Mass shootings were also used in Scotland and Australia to take the guns.
Gun control makes no sense to me, With a large revenue coming in from selling guns and alot of gun manufacturers in the US, youd think theyd be roped into all the other businesses that are part of "conspircays" with trade agreements and what not. The only thing i can think of is that it was a test to see how population would react to gun control and to put minir laws in place for a bigger law to come. It appears to be a way to lower our defenses so we have no power to fight the government. But of course this is just my wild speculation, it is still unclear to me the exact reason. And if its for fear, then what for? Its need to be a much larger scare to rally people behind something. As for the boston bombing, i dont get it, i really dont. If it was to "increase hatred of the middle east, then it failed, cause theyre are still high tensions from 911 and now isis, they dont need the bostom bombing to induce hatred, so why? usually someone has come up with reasons like with 9/11 and well every other conspiracy, but why dont these? why is there no possible reasoning? I hadnt really thought of any of this til now when i saw your post and now im curious and ima try and do some research. But so far, with everything in this country, i might just move to finland to become a sheep herder and get away from it all. :P
gun control is a huge statement of power mentally. I didnt realize how big of a deal it could make until i lived in Enlgand for a few months. The only people who have guns is your government it sends a big message.
The girl i lived with, her boyfriend was in the royal army, anytime she visited the base she would go through the ECP where there was armed guards with semi automatic weapons. Just seeing the gun made her extremely uncomfortable and frightened.
That speaks volumes to me. Its a power move and a really big one to see your government with weapons and you cant have one.
Imagine in the future they keep getting us more and more scared of things and remove our right to bear arms. Then something tragic happens nationally. The federal government initiates martial law for "our safety". Army bases in the middle of our cities. They patrol with 50 cals vehicles and M16 patrol men.
You have no weapons now. You is in the power of position? Its supposed to be our duty to defend the country against a corrupt government if we have to. And if we cant then what?
I can completely understand this but in a country where we already outgun our military (i think by 9-1? someone correct me on that) a gun ban is litteraly impossible, guns are already into our society, britain works that way because theyve had hundreds of years to keep weapons away and make it part of the culture. Here tho having weapons are a part of the culture, so gun control is a lost cause. I can see what theyre trying to do but it will not work so why try?
I strongly believe people should live facing the fear to be truly free. But constantly having people afraid of weapons and events like sandy hook do make a lot of people believe guns are bad and they kill kids.
Also with the word terrorist being thrown around freely it will be so easy to label anyone with a weapon a possible terrorist. With mass media people will be scared of weapons and spun the right way your neighbor will turn you in for owning a weapon. Your kids will innocently report you to their second grade teacher who has just left college.
It would take time but this is what makes the most sense to me.
Guns kill kids. With the recent events they are painting the looming fear, "Even Americans can be terrorists and they dont have to be muslims. They could be that quiet white guy!"
See i hate the argument "guns kill kids/people" cause although its true, it isnt, its the person behind it. If you have someone responsible they will save lives then take them. If guns kill kids then so do cars and we should ban them too. I agree guns make it easy but if we take gund away from those who use them responsibly then only those who use them iresponsibly will have them because they will either obtain them illegaly or hide them away. If you look at switzerland, it has one if the lowest crime rates because Everyone has a gun, why would rob/attack someone that you know has a gun? I firmly believe if everyone has a gun then theyre will be less violence because no one is going to attack or rob someone they know have a gun. Ontop of that, if someone really is intent on killing/shooting a bunch of people, no law will prevent it.
That argument also goes with knives, drugs, household cleaning supplies, etc. anything kills, especially if a human is using it to kill. Stranglers use their hands, but no one is banning hands.
So I tell you guns are bad. Something bad happens. You tell me to do something about the bad thing. I say let me have some more authority and I can. Just some paperwork stuff. Red tape ya know? You say sure just stop it. I say thanks. Now I say guns are harder to get. You should feel safer. And you do. Then something bad happens. And you say make it stop. I say sure sure but I need a little more help, more paperwork rules I don't like. You say sure sure. Do what you need to. I make guns tougher to get. I tell you to feel better now. I got the bad guy. And you do feel better. Then something bad happens....
This is how things get weird fast. The NSA was told to stop spying on all of us. Do you think they will? Why would they? We can even ask them if they did but if they didn't would they tell us? Guns are everywhere but can be made a bad guy because they don't have the most money anyway.
Ima have to watch this later but why is gun control a thing? i dont get it! i really dont, and why did sandy hook need to happen for them to push money around, they can do it behind our backs like they do all the time. Also, is it a possibility it isnt a conspiracy but they just used the incident to their advantage?
Gun control: The intent is to disarm the populace so that they will have no way to resist hard force. As millions of people wake up to the deception, soft/psychological control will no longer work. They're breaking out the goon squads for hard control -- we're already seeing this with the militarization/fascisization of police. It will only get worse.
Take a look at what's happened in other countries (Iraq & Afghanistan are prime examples), and dispel yourself of the illusion that It Can't Happen Here.
I can completely understand and see that this could be the intent but i doubt itll happen, theres no way theyre taking my guns from me, nor anyone else. Idk only time will tell, i cant see it happening. But if thats the intent behind all this then i truly am worried about our future.
But once you use a drone, you have thousands of armed people suddenly resisting, counter-attacking. It's a big game of psychology and force, and I'd be lying if I said I fully understood it.
I imagine in Sandy Hook the motive was the comprehensive gun control bill which the OA tried to ram through Congress. Just like after 9/11, they passed the Patriot Act which legalized widespread wire tapping of all Americans.
You need to first pull on America's heart strings before the American people will accept these types of draconian measures. It's all about priming the pump.
Why are you saying 'assuming everything is a conspiracy'? Do you realize how many shootings etc happen without getting a mention? Anyway, Sandy Hook seems clearly about gun control, Boston seems to be just one of many staged plots to ensure the intel agencies keep their terror budget, they usually use Muslims, not sure if just because it's only considered terrorism when they're Muslim or because inciting hatred for them is good for the war business.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX0UTB-Foyc and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwvTC4F_H3o and http://www.salon.com/2011/09/29/fbi_terror/
The reason i say "assuming" is because i was trying to weed out any responses such as "theres a possibility its not a conspiracy" i agree there are many shootings, just trying to lessen some responses.
Fear is a great tool when trying to make people emotional not rational. Think Oklahoma City bombing. Sandy hook occurred in December of 2012. Next within a month and a half we saw the deaths of prominent gun advocates. John noveske, Keith ratliffe and even Chris kyle. Bring in the UN arms treaty. You figure it out. Do some more research.
think about what the military and government wanted to do during the cold war, they wante to bomb and attack epicanters and blame the cubans, so that they could go to war.
That would be my question too. What would be the endgame for doing something like this that was a black op instead of how it was reported? What's the goal(s) here?
Do you not remember the wall to wall coverage for days on all media outlets in the aftermath of both of these events? It was at least a week of 24/7 propaganda.
Ironically I was the complete opposite. On 9/11 I actually made a joke about it when I was setting the weekly budget at work.
I think I wrote something like "let's blow up our budget from last year, like the world Trade Center" or something similar. Not very smart looking back on it.
Sandy Hook however, I literally cried several times when I saw the parents "crying" over their "dead kids". I fell for the Sandy Hook pysop hook, line and sinker. It wasn't until the Boston Marathon Bombing that I really woke up to the TPTB deception and pysop's.
Speculation is a lazy habit of conspiracy theorists. We can do it, but it usually removes our thinking further from hard evidence (or in SH, obvious lack of evidence).
I enjoy conspiracies but I'm a natural skeptic. Of all of them, the only two I find actually credible are JFK and Sandy Hook. The more you read about Sandy Hook, the more you realize how easy it would be to cover up everything, and then discredit anyone who questions the official story with "CHILDREN ARE DEAD HOW DARE YOU ASK QUESTIONS".
One thing that I think I found that certainly points to green screen technology being used at Sandy Hook. Watch this video, specifically starting at the 20:20 mark.
Right in the middle of the frame is a bigger guy in a light blue coat, and a blonde lady holding some papers in a navy blue coat. Watch the lady. She goes off to the left, and at that moment another man in a brownish coat walks in front of the camera momentarily blocking her.
But for one little moment - you need to rewind the video a couple of times to see it because it's so fucking brief - but her leg covers up part of the planter she's supposed to be walking behind.
Here is a freezeframe of the moment in question. The brown planter is clearly being covered up by the blue of her jeans, but she doesn't stub her knee or anything, instead her leg glides through the planter as if she were a ghost.
I've watched it at .25 speeds and idunno, it could be a bit weird with that guy walking by. I also never quite see the frame you're showing. Did you edit this at all?
It took me a whole bunch of tries to pause it on the exact right moment. As I mentioned, its extremely brief with the other man walking across the frame and blocking the blonde lady and the planter.
You may want to test-drive a VPN service and see if your search results are the same. Wouldn't it be interesting if search results were filtered more in the areas surrounding the event?
Virtual Private Network. It is a way to make it look like your accessing other computers on the internet (like web servers that host google) from a location other than your own. People of other repressed societies often resort to using a VPN to learn about atrocities in their own country/state/area. For instance, people in China have their search results filtered by google, to help the people in power keep their citizens ignorant of what the rest of the world knows about rights abuses. The Chinese citizens that want to be informed often use a VPN service to reroute their requests through another country so the results are no longer filtered.
I don't understand how this question could go unanswered for so long. It was a massive thing, surely there are loads of avenues of attack to confirm/refute it? I mean it was an entire school. They'd have students, teachers, and faculty, they'd be registered in various places, they'd have a history in the local news, etc., etc.. Has anyone collected any of that?
I am not having any trouble with broken links. There is plenty of info to be had. Regarding clips, Youtube gave me a "warning" screen because of the subject matter, but that is about it.
I don't know about 'better', but you will probably have a hard time outside of /r/conspiracy. I imagine that other subs may find questions of authenticity to be offensive or in violation of sub rules. My suggestion is to start in /r/conspiracy and work your way out. I don't know how familiar you are with this sub, but we are typically not fans of Alex Jones. GL!
Im not sue why you feel alone when it's openly expressed here by some members that they don't believe the official story of Sandy Hook. Personally I'm not sure why anyone's suprised about a clinch down on info in the USA. Dead kids might lead to gun control. God forbid.
There are clearly a lot of reasons to question it so I say kudos to you for having the courage to do so. This music video for a song called "GUN CONTROL" highlights the hypocrisy surrounding this issue and features a few of the Sandy Hook "players":
https://youtu.be/XqbZSl3PbXk
am I too conspiratorial ??? every time i see one of these "hey r/conspiracy, can you tell me stuff about stuff" posts all i picture is 2 people in TPTB headquarters saying "johnson, how much is reddit on to us these days?" "no sure, Jim, time to pose as a newb and ask r/conspiracy for a tutorial..."
As someone from CT 10minutes away from the tragedy there is no doubt in my mind that it happened. Everyone in this community knows someone who was there or was directly effected by what happened. It's easy to sit behind your computer half way across the country and cry hoax but I dare anyone of you to come here and say that. I also find it humorous that all the talking points of this "conspiracy" are some of the weakest I have seen yet.
If you really do pm me. I can give you my own personal narrative of what happened. Obviously I am nobody or a credible source but can give you the view point of a local.
Unfortunately, Reddit no longer adheres to that standard since coming under new management. They are attempting to monetize the site which will involve sanitizing certain visible elements that advertisers don't want to be involved with.
That's the conspiracy. Of course you shouldn't site "Reddit" as a source, but you could use the links as a source because they are supposed to be good, uncensored information.
There is no guarantee that users on this site link to good, uncensored information. Also, users on this site are not magical and cannot guarantee their linked source will not go down for technical or funding reasons.
The problem is that people on this site view what they are reading is good and real.
A person's belief does not mean it is good and real. After all, the folks with Westboro Baptist Church believe they are good and real even though they are nothing more than trolls.
When we read the news, we take it as true. We aren't be provided with the truth a lot of the time. Which sources can be trusted?
In college, they taught me to use critical reading and deductive reasoning to evaluate multiple sources for anything.
Duh. This is boring. The point is that news should not be this way for the general public. Information should be free and uncensored.
Just because news stories do not parrot the Sandy Hook hoax claims does not mean it is censored about the matter. Maybe those hoax claims are not true.
After reading your post history I am positive that you are a shill...or have some sort of agenda.
Your follow-up question indicates you may not understand the concept.
Why would a shill be posting about a Sandy Hook conspiracy?
That question should be directed to yourself because you specifically shilled a false dilemma about an alleged conspiracy over broken links about Sandy Hook in your initial post.
And my agenda?
Claiming a conspiracy exists just because links are broken or missing is a clear agenda.
FortHouston is a disruptor. He has latched onto you in order to waste your time and deter you from looking further into Sandy Hook.
People with an open mind can see that there there is something terribly wrong the with official Sandy Hook "disturbed teenager school shooting" narrative. Your difficult task is now to get as close to the truth as you can without letting the myriad disruptors and disinfo merchants putting you off the scent.
This is a highly contoversial and oft-brigaded subject on reddit. A subreddit dedicated to Sandy Hook was banned some time ago, but you may already know about that...
Searching reddit for links is not practical - the site is deliberately set up with the world's worst search engine.
In my opinion, a couple of good sites with multiple Sandy Hook stories are:
It was banned for doxxing, supposedly (revealing information about individuals). This may have been done deliberately, to discredit Sandy Hook conspiracy researchers.
Right from the beginning, the official story was riddled with inconsistencies. The fact that two "shooters" were initially identified (one of them apprehended alive), called Ryan and Adam Lanza, then just Ryan, then just Adam, got everybody very suspicious. Then the creepy Gene Rosen with his conflicting and frankly unbelievable stories...
For the first couple of months I thought Sandy Hook was a genuine atrocity, with Adam Lanza fitted up as a patsy. But after having spent hundreds of hours looking into Sandy Hook, I no longer think that - the truth is very much weirder, but you need to find as many sources as you before you make up your own mind.
Real life example. The so called "protectors in government" can deem anyone with what they "label" as a cult or "militia" (hence: Waco, William Cooper and more) and sending the troops to take them out. But these same governing people run and operate their cults or what they label as "secret society".
After posting the links, I figure you're probably kidding me. The fakery is explicit in every video/photograph. Not to knock your 'research' or anything... In case you're serious, here you go:
I dont have the time to eli5 it but here are a couple things to ponder.
Find the video of the finish line site watch the flags as the "blast" aka smokebomb goes off. Now tell me if that wind velocity could tear the top off a rice pudding let alone arms and legs.
Find the relevant photos of casual-hoody-sunglasses-anon-guy and watch his actions from the first photo you find. Which should be one of him crouching against the wall near the site before the bang.
It's the best form of ensuring that the dead body you found is who you think it may be. Would you be alright with not being 100% sure in announcing a child dead?
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90 [deleted] 2015-06-12
The parents weren't allowed to see their dead children either.
Also, there is an auto-downvote bot/group that targets this sub everyday. Every article in thee new queue gets down voted.
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35 untumulted 2015-06-12
As a parent, I can't imagine one accepting not seeing their kid if this happened. I'd feel guilty and want to know the full extent of my guilt.
47 Tomy2TugsFapMaster69 2015-06-12
They would have to kill me to stop me from seeing my child one last time. If they detained me long enough, I would come out, head to the graveyard and dig it up. Anyone who tried to stop me would get shot. How no parents have lost their mind over this shows that something is very wrong.
2 Utopianow 2015-06-12
Don't get caught in the Peoples Republic of Connecticut with a pistol. You will likely get arrested.
2 noobprodigy 2015-06-12
I don't know man. I'm a father, and I don't know if I'd want to see if it were my kid. I feel like I would be haunted forever with the image of how they ended up, and I might rather not have my memory of them overshadowed by an image of them dead on the floor full of bullet holes.
23 untumulted 2015-06-12
My mom died in a head-on accident when I was 13. It was closed coffin, but we saw her one last time before people came in. I was scared, but I would have always regretted not saying good-bye. She was fine: no one part of her was all of her, because all of her was in every part. In a way, it meant she cheated death by shining through it. That's why you need to say good-bye, so you know you haven't lost them.
1 noobprodigy 2015-06-12
But you didn't say bye at the scene of the accident. I'm sure all these kids still had funerals.
1 [deleted] 2015-06-12
You never actually stop seeing dead bodies once you have seen them. I tend to agree that viewing a loved one is going to interfere with happy memories of them.
7 shadowofashadow 2015-06-12
Not the government's decision to make for the parents.
12 City_Wok 2015-06-12
Do you have any citation for this?
11 Apoplectic1 2015-06-12
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfvgQy4NNaw
2 twsmith 2015-06-12
That was while they were processing the crime scene.
1 khantzaey 2015-06-12
0:36 on that video; he does do a well weird eye roll whilst saying photographers right? Like I'm not just trying to see that right?
3 Haven 2015-06-12
I don't get why you were downvoted for just asking a question. (at -4 at the time of my post)
4 draaaaaaaak 2015-06-12
Wouldn't it make sense to ban auto-downvote bots (upvote bots too I guess)? Just sayin..
1 KnightBeforeTomorrow 2015-06-12
How was this thread and so many comments deleted? I have a list of links that still work I wanted to put up but the post was already gone.
-34 fite_the_pauer 2015-06-12
Lie.
But probably even dumber than that is the combination of "the parents should have been hysterical" with "they didn't get to see their children."
So, the parents are in on it, but they aren't?
22 Apoplectic1 2015-06-12
Nope, From the county medical examiners own words in the press interview after the shooting, the parents never saw the bodies themselves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfvgQy4NNaw
-7 fite_the_pauer 2015-06-12
You're trying to twist statements to mean things that they don't mean. It won't work.
First, "The parents weren't allowed to see their dead children" is not the same claim as "the parents never saw the bodies." Which claim are you making? They can "not see" the body while still being "allowed" to" (meaning, some of them may have opted not to see the mutilated remains of their child.) So what exactly are you claiming was the case? Be specific.
But either way, the medical examiner is referring to the identification process on the first day. You're just cherry-picking quotes and ignoring context. After the bodies were identified, they went to the next of kin.
I mean, you do know that several of the victims had open-casket funerals right? The ones whose heads were intact?
9 Apoplectic1 2015-06-12
The medical examiner himself said they were not allowed to see the bodies themselves after the shooting itself, not that they chose not to, that they would only let them see pictures of them. A few of them did have open casket funerals, but that was quite a bit after the shooting itself and this interview.
If anything you are trying to paint things out of context here and twist words.
3 fite_the_pauer 2015-06-12
Perhaps this will clear it up. There are two facts:
Parents were not permitted to view the remains as part of the identification process
After identification, parents had control over their child's remains, which of course includes seeing them.
Fact #1 does not contradict fact #2. All parents/guardians were allowed to see the remains if they wished. All of them.
Do you dispute this?
1 Apoplectic1 2015-06-12
No, but do you not find it odd that they do not allow them to see the body? 99% of the time in cases in which they do find bodies they will ask the next of kin to identify the remains, not the alleged photo of them. It's not that the parents simply elected not to. If one or two children were shot enough to not be enough left to identify, sure I can see it, but all 26?
The parents didn't see them until days later when they were finished with the bodies.
1 cyanoside 2015-06-12
By 99% I assume you mean "the vast majority."
So, even in cases where there is a dead child, they would ask that someone close to the victim confirm the identification?
1 Apoplectic1 2015-06-12
It's the best form of ensuring that the dead body you found is who you think it may be. Would you be alright with not being 100% sure in announcing a child dead?
1 cyanoside 2015-06-12
Being 100% sure is always a good thing. It's just kind of shocking imagine a parent having to ID their 5 year old... but I guess it happens every day :/
7 theos13 2015-06-12
I don't think she is presenting any theory. She is merely pointing out inconsistencies from her point of view.
1 fite_the_pauer 2015-06-12
As am I.
2 theos13 2015-06-12
Except you are putting words in her mouth beyond her statements and then presenting your opinion about them as if she said them.
7 shoziku 2015-06-12
great, an objection with nothing to back it up.
And then there's the insult meant to discredit. really boring shill attempt. Step up your game man, this isn't working.
2 fite_the_pauer 2015-06-12
It's a very simple, logical argument: If the parents are "in on it" (implied by the accusation that they are faking their grief) then why would there be any reason to claim they never saw the bodies (since, by necessity of the first point, there are no bodies and the parents are just actors.)
And either you can answer this very simple question, or you can't. Step up your game. No whining and bitching about shills necessary when it's just your own failure to think through your own beliefs.
4 CantStopWhitey 2015-06-12
Got a source I could look into?
1 untumulted 2015-06-12
I wish I could down vote this three times. Once for each line, but in the interest of democracy, how do I make a throwaway?
2 LUTHERLIVES 2015-06-12
Don't worry, I got you.
1 fite_the_pauer 2015-06-12
Can you direct me to the problem in my reasoning? Or do you just prefer to hide from reason in general?
1 untumulted 2015-06-12
/Lie.
It wasn't a lie, there is video of the parents saying they weren't allowed to see their children.
/But probably even dumber than that is the combination of "the parents should have been hysterical" with "they didn't get to see their children."
When you say this, you are compounding false logic. Both are true, yet you take them as false and assume it is somehow natural to do so.
/So, the parents are in on it, but they aren't?
This is your premise, or strawman. In general, to people who believe it didn't happen, but was merely a staged event to direct policy, then of course the "parents" were in on it. Saying they couldn't see their children doesn't suggest they weren't, it suggests that as much was kept from public view as possible. If you had staged a hoax, you would want as little hard evidence available as possible. For example, releasing the autopsy of the "Boston bomber" showed the holes in their narrative. Literally.
You created a strawman in your head and rolled with it into ever murkier scapes.
-6 RedditsNewGuy 2015-06-12
Frustrating isn't it? People around here are so belligerently ignorant. They're actually proud of how gullible they are.
12 your-nuts-sir 2015-06-12
Once you're done with Sandy Hook feel free to tackle Oklahoma City, 9/11 and Boston Marathon to name but a few.
You've taken the first step. Your life has changed already.
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9 Tremendousdread 2015-06-12
I was picking up supplies in a warehouse the other day and one of the guys asked what I was listening to. He could hear it from my truck. It was sword and scale podcast specifically the one about the child prostitution ring that included everyone in power in Nebraska and went as high as the president. I told him and he said in a quiet tone " so... Do you believe in the conspiracy stuff?" I replied well.. You can't say they don't happen.
He sighed in relief and went on a 20 minute thing about how 911 was inside job and sandy hook looked suspicious as well as a few others.
Point is, you aren't alone
4 muertex 2015-06-12
Most of us have already gone through a phase of ridicule by strangers, friends, and family. It's a relief to talk about these things it's hard to hold it in when you first hear about it or think about it.
That won't stop us though. We hear the truth, we see the truth, we speak the truth.
3 MarioKart-Ultra 2015-06-12
Still there and it's goddamn painful. Family, friends, and basically anyone else. All think I'm out of line with my thoughts. With family, they simply don't agree but hear me out. Friends literally roll their eyes and tell me to shut up if anything closely resembling a conspiracy is brought up. My family creates valid discussions at least, whereas my friends are simply scared of being exposed to such information. What do they gain from viewing this information? Ridiculing "conspiracy theorists" is THE #1 defense mechanism of most average people.
ADD: So that is why I'm thankful as hell for this place.
2 JamesColesPardon 2015-06-12
Your contributions are also top notch from what I recall as well. This place may be good for you, but you are also good for this place.
2 MarioKart-Ultra 2015-06-12
Appreciate that James, you too. I'd push for you as a mod here, but I feel that your best work will be done with /r/C_S_T
6 BecausePhysics 2015-06-12
I know how you feel. But you are not alone. You will find people who think like you on the internet, and maybe one or two in real life. Those are really precious.
0 SupremeNeckProtector 2015-06-12
I just switch over to married titties
1 FrankyEaton 2015-06-12
What is the okc conspiracy
2 KnightBeforeTomorrow 2015-06-12
It all boils down to extra bombs pictured and reported locally on TV. The security camera's were mostly disabled. There was a matching rental truck parked in a local military installation of some kind in the time leading up. The take home was the FBI and several Iraqi's (!) did the deed.
1 FrankyEaton 2015-06-12
I've lived here for a while and never heard anything about it. Timothy McVeigh was actually pretty proud he did it. I'll have to look into it more
2 KnightBeforeTomorrow 2015-06-12
Unfortunately the best source, although pretty well documented, is Alex Jones.
He is controlled opposition but first he had to gather a huge following before he could lead them off a cliff. This information was reported during the gathering of a following.
As far as I know we never got to hear a single word from McVeigh before his execution. Do you have anything on that?
2 FrankyEaton 2015-06-12
The McVeigh documentary on Netflix had his transcripts from jail
2 your-nuts-sir 2015-06-12
Here you go. AJ is a good 'alarm clock' but not the best of sources for diligent reporting of facts without fear mongering (to sell health products)
A Noble Lie
Trailer
http://youtu.be/mZt4SACTIq8
Full Docu
http://youtu.be/UpNIMSDwvOw
2 KnightBeforeTomorrow 2015-06-12
I fully agree about Mr. Jones.but he did have the local early TV images and report of an extra unexplained bomb in the back of a pickup truck. You have to take what you can get from wherever you can get it and strain out the bullshit all along the way.
2 your-nuts-sir 2015-06-12
He needed to do actual real reporting early on in order to impress the Dewish cabal that he married into. /s/t
2 KnightBeforeTomorrow 2015-06-12
Here's a start.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpNIMSDwvOw
The narrative contained the message that anyone can be a terrorist, even an Operation Desert Storm Big Red ONE tank driver and even you..
2 your-nuts-sir 2015-06-12
A Noble Lie
Trailer
http://youtu.be/mZt4SACTIq8
Full Docu
http://youtu.be/UpNIMSDwvOw
1 JamesColesPardon 2015-06-12
John Doe #2 is surprisingly missing from your post (among many other things).
1 KnightBeforeTomorrow 2015-06-12
My post? It's only a short comment, not quite meant to be comprehensive.
1 JamesColesPardon 2015-06-12
Oh, I understand. I just think JD2 is worth mentioning if we're dropping crumbs.
1 aletoledo 2015-06-12
watch this, it's the best summary
This goes into more depth
38 davidtoni 2015-06-12
I am one of these people.
I spoke with the the Chief of Police Vance directly and he could not tell me who cleaned up the blood at this HUGE HAZMAT site.
In fact, he hung up on me.
12 monsda 2015-06-12
http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/39kqr5/sandy_hook_im_a_teacher_and_i_wanted_to_have_a/cs4e1hb
10 f12fe 2015-06-12
The report you've cited is an officer's account of letting workers in to clean the building. No other verification or evidence is given. Just one officer's official story.
The officer says cleanup did not start until 12/31/13, 17 days after the "shooting". That is a long time to let the blood of 26 victims rot.
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1 davidtoni 2015-06-12
Of course it was...there was nothing to clean up...except a lot of dust.
2 scottbrio 2015-06-12
Why was the building demolished??
2 davidtoni 2015-06-12
Who knows?
Maybe because it could have NEVER been a school because it didn't comply with ADA legislation?
"Their" own pictures show this to be the truth.
-1 fite_the_pauer 2015-06-12
Granting for the sake of argument that the school was not ADA compliant, why would this indicate it was not a real school? Are you of the belief that ADA violations never happen?
2 davidtoni 2015-06-12
Sandy Hook was not ADA-Compliant judging by the limited pictures released. Two bathroom pix were released; neither bathroom was ADA-Compliant nor were most of the doors, the drinking fountains, nor the exits.
In this state, that means that they cannot be "open for business" as a school.
-1 aletoledo 2015-06-12
It had asbestos and was shut down in 2008 for that reason.
1 davidtoni 2015-06-12
Very interesting that up to two weeks after the 'tragedy' nobody seemed willing or able to answer this question.
"EVERYONE MUST CHECK IN"
-1 muertex 2015-06-12
Your source is a 404 page, lol. This is exactly what op was talking about
2 monsda 2015-06-12
Formatting error during copy/paste
http://cspsandyhookreport.ct.gov/
-2 muertex 2015-06-12
There is no 198991 on that page.
2 monsda 2015-06-12
Under reports:
CFS 1200704559 (.zip, 720 MB includes 9 Books-Total 740 pdf files)
Download that file. The zip has folders, books 1-9. 1988991 is a file in book 2.
3 Sabremesh 2015-06-12
Do you remember who were you responding to? They deleted their comment.
2 davidtoni 2015-06-12
I thought i was responding to OP but perhaps not.
2 Sabremesh 2015-06-12
You were, my mistake.
26 burningempires 2015-06-12
Another falsehood by Hoaxers.
Clean Harbors, Inc cleaned Sandy Hook as listed in Book 2 198991. PDF
Aftermath Specialists did Yogananda. Book 2 198985
[Edit] Oh, look: downvotes. Guess the hoaxers are really the ones trying to hide the truth!
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12 burningempires 2015-06-12
http://cspsandyhookreport.ct.gov/
Book 2 of the official report, available above, should sort you out.
11 DICKSUBJUICY 2015-06-12
oh look, two different accounts posting the same link and same response.
0 selfoner 2015-06-12
Looks like the /u/burningempires was the originator of the reddit link quoted by /u/mondsa. So, no, not really.
-2 burningempires 2015-06-12
Oh, look: a Hoaxer making a groundless claim without any evidence.
Looks like they actually copy-pasted my response, but why let facts get in the way of baseless accusations?
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4 fuck_ellen_pao1 2015-06-12
Exactly. Fuck this shill.
-1 burningempires 2015-06-12
There's a lot of shit in the field. Winnowing it out is an important part of getting to the truth.
2 muertex 2015-06-12
So what is the truth then?
1 burningempires 2015-06-12
I don't know. But I can say, few of the allegations put forward by the hoax theory supporters stand up to scrutiny. The evidence for it seems scant and weak to me.
1 [deleted] 2015-06-12
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-1 burningempires 2015-06-12
That's all I do using this account. Following some unpleasant stalking experiences, I use this account purely for this sub. It's a sad necessity.
2 muertex 2015-06-12
I don't understand why your posts are being up voted when you are posting 404d sources which is exactly what the op was talking about.
1 burningempires 2015-06-12
Because the links aren't 404s?
Checked them all, from two different computers on two different networks. No problems.
1 DICKSUBJUICY 2015-06-12
hmm, I don't recall actually stating my stance on the topic...
1 burningempires 2015-06-12
I certainly apologize if you do not fall into that camp!
1 drunkleopard 2015-06-12
How much do they pay you shill?
-1 burningempires 2015-06-12
So, no argument with the facts then. Good to know.
7 mjh808 2015-06-12
lol, you even use the term hoaxers, why was the report written so long after the event? because people started asking the question?
8 burningempires 2015-06-12
As this thread shows, some people are still making this false claim. If you want to disprove Clean Harbors and Aftermath Specialists did the work, go right ahead: I'd love to know what you find. But it just cannot be alleged - and I quote - "no one admitted to doing the clean-up, nor knew who did."
3 mjh808 2015-06-12
It wasn't a false claim until the report was written 7-10 months after which makes me wonder when it was first noticed. I listened to podcasts on this when there were people asking the question to the authorities, it wasn't fabricated.
From another forum:
1 SkeptiConspiracist1 2015-06-12
Going to need a verifiable citation for that. Not least because December 15, 2012 was a Saturday, so the market was closed... Also
http://www.insider-monitor.com/trading/cik822818.html
shows a trivial amount of insider e.g. by the directors, etc. In December 2012 AND January 2013, there were only 500 shares sold, not the 597,000 claimed, and no indication I can see of any unusual activity.
-3 Hydes_afro 2015-06-12
Lol, you can't accept when you're wrong. You always have to dig deeper smh.
1 muertex 2015-06-12
And the shills come out of the woodwork
1 Hydes_afro 2015-06-12
pls dispute what i said instead of calling me a shill ._.
2 muertex 2015-06-12
All you said was that he was wrong. The link that guy posted is just a 3 page blank pdf. There was no epa permit to clean the blood.
2 muertex 2015-06-12
Your source is blank
12 I_Kick_Puppies_Hard 2015-06-12
I do believe that the disgrace you spoke of is entirely possible and plausible... Though it sucks to believe that. I'm not saying Sandy Hook was or wasn't a real event or hoax it misreported.
7 monsda 2015-06-12
http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/39kqr5/sandy_hook_im_a_teacher_and_i_wanted_to_have_a/cs4e1hb
8 DronePuppet 2015-06-12
And then they destroyed the building!
7 monsda 2015-06-12
OP lied, building was cleaned:
http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/39kqr5/sandy_hook_im_a_teacher_and_i_wanted_to_have_a/cs4e1hb
2 DronePuppet 2015-06-12
Still the EPA was not informed. Not following procedures / law.
1 muertex 2015-06-12
404 page not found. Isn't that what OP was talking about? He couldn't find any sources that haven't been removed?
2 mjh808 2015-06-12
under an NDA naturally.
7 truthwilgetushiled 2015-06-12
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxTafqejV6k
4 monsda 2015-06-12
http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/39kqr5/sandy_hook_im_a_teacher_and_i_wanted_to_have_a/cs4e1hb
3 Todomas 2015-06-12
All of these comments are exactly the same
-1 monsda 2015-06-12
Because that's the only way to make sure that all of these people see the info. I know I don't usually revisit full threads. I'll make a post, and then revisit the thread I posted in, but that's about it.
2 drunkleopard 2015-06-12
Shill spotted! Dont think we cant see through you.
3 SkanksForTheMemories 2015-06-12
Admittingly I never did anything of this caliber by any means, but I used to work for a carpet cleaning company and I cleaned up many blood spills. Murders, assaults--- you name it. No permit was involved. This is going back 15 years, so I'm sure things have changed.
2 draaaaaaaak 2015-06-12
If you can find them, there were photos taken of the class room after the alleged shooting that showed no blood anywhere. Also there was a parent who was allowed to visit the school. I don't have the links handy, but if you care to, it's worth looking into.
-1 monsda 2015-06-12
http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/39kqr5/sandy_hook_im_a_teacher_and_i_wanted_to_have_a/cs4e1hb
0 Larry13 2015-06-12
https://www.metabunk.org/sandy-hook-who-cleaned-up-the-blood.t3185/
-2 rickforking 2015-06-12
That's interesting. Do you have a source where you heard that?
2 monsda 2015-06-12
No, he doesn't have a source, because it's not true:
http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/39kqr5/sandy_hook_im_a_teacher_and_i_wanted_to_have_a/cs4e1hb
47 I_Kick_Puppies_Hard 2015-06-12
Hey, I would recommend you to not use Google. It's the most used and widely available search engine, and in my opinion the most prone to "fuckery". It has its uses, but for something like that you may have better luck with duckduckgo.
The most widely recognized name regarding "alternative research" I believe is Wolfgang Halbig. If you look him up you should be able to find his material regarding alternative theories and probably counterpoints to his.
Another word of advice: don't take his, or any one else's, word for anything. Question everything, and when someone offers sources CHECK THEIR SOURCES. Without checking, you won't know if it's a legitimate source or if the link is even still valid. A lot of people everything at face value when a hyperlink is involved.
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19 I_Kick_Puppies_Hard 2015-06-12
I also interpret the censorship of the results of Google as more evidence of their working hand-in-hand with the United States Government and its directives. It's also been reported that their executives have very very frequent(2-3x a week) meetnf with high level White House officials. They also have representatives present at the Bilderberg Group meeting.
Knowledge is power in a lot of facets, and they hold the keys to the largest collective wealth of knowledge in the history of humanity. They choose how the citizens of dozens of powerful countries get their knowledge, and it would be a necessary strategy for the survival of the government itself to suppress and promote news stories at will.
8 lisabauer58 2015-06-12
Google introducted a search engine were popularity of the masses choices using certain key words dictated what the search engine of Google thought it should deliver as results.
So if someone put in something like A hard days night , then google would return the most popular choice other users selected as the most like information you would want as well. Which means they would put up the results of the Beatles as the top hit.
The search engines before Google changed the way we searched for information used a search criterion of counting how many times those words showed up in a websites content as well as the information inside the header of a website as key words (called meta tags) that the public does not see. The web pages that included the words most often was delivered as the top choices.
To get choices based on key words would mean you will needto use an older search engine. I believe that www.excite.com is still available to the public and (seems to me) is still operating as they use to. Your results may be different because of the differences in how the search engines function.
Does anyone else have a link to a different search engine that doesn't operate like Google?
3 rurootin4pootin 2015-06-12
I used duckduckgo for a while until i found out who owns it. I now use https://www.ixquick.com
https://www.ixquick.com/uk/privacy-policy.html
5 onedialectic 2015-06-12
Who owns duck duck go?
0 DiscoLollipop 2015-06-12
Gabriel Weinberg who owned Opobox... I know nothing about the two just a quick Google came up with that.
2 lisabauer58 2015-06-12
Thank you for the link. I like using different search engines when I search for different material or am looking for a variety of sources most people don't look for.
0 whatgold 2015-06-12
Does duckduckgo provide different search results?
3 muertex 2015-06-12
Yes, when you search google, Google knows who you are and what your search habits are and caters results just for you. It's called an information bubble and Facebook does the same thing.
Duckduckgo just provides the most relevant information without tracking the user.
3 onedialectic 2015-06-12
There are so many sites that are not even indexed by Duck Duck Go. It sucks.
2 muertex 2015-06-12
It pulls search results from Yahoo Bing and a few other search engines, it really doesn't suck. Also it doesn’t include results from content mills, sites that publish thousands of articles consistently. That type of material is seen by them as “low quality.” This strategy will produce less results, but the results you get will be of higher quality.
0 aletoledo 2015-06-12
what do you think is better?
0 whatgold 2015-06-12
Oh okay. That's a big jump to better things.
I wonder what the results look like comparatively in private browsing mode
1 muertex 2015-06-12
Private browsing mode is just to keep your mom from seeing your porn history, it does nothing to conceal your online identity.
You're going to need at the least, a tracker blocker such as ghostery, a virtual private network such as privateinternetaccess, possibly a user agent spoofer.
0 whatgold 2015-06-12
Tor browser seems easier.
1 muertex 2015-06-12
Much slower, also pretty much impossible to view video sources.
46 rurootin4pootin 2015-06-12
Due to suppression there really arent many good answers on Sandy Hook, just a mountain of good questions and suspicious holes in the narrative.
Try Boston, there is firm photographic evidence for that being a psyop.
15 m4k4v3l1Th3d0n 2015-06-12
like the fact it was reported that the younger tsarnaev got shot in the throat, and thats why he was unable to speak. but yet they have a clear picture of him standing outside the boat with his hands in the air, and no wound on his neck. also something to note that the police officer who released that photo was disciplined because he wasnt supposed to release it. or the picture of the older brother in handcuffs, when apparently he was killed in a shootout. boston stinks really bad.
7 rurootin4pootin 2015-06-12
It more than stinks it really is possible to prove its a hoax beyond a reasonable doubt. Of course up against a corrupt government and its resources counter proofs can, will and have been manufactured. Nevertheless, a thinking person with access to enough of what is, or was, available can prove it to themselves. Unlike Sandy Hook where you just end up thinking WTF over and over.
8 m4k4v3l1Th3d0n 2015-06-12
i hear ya. i just dont understand why people today have such overwhelming trust of government. it makes no sense to me. governments are notoriously the most corrupt institutions ever, and yet people blindly trust whatever spews out of their lying mouths.
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15 gabeh007 2015-06-12
It is deemed politically incorrect to ask any question about Sandy Hook that run against the grain of the official story. It is a thought crime to not trust the CNN version of events.
But CNN would never misrepresent what is happening....or would they?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZjcrFojIW0
4 RyanOnymous 2015-06-12
Here is a great in-depth research series that goes beyond what a lot of the other bombing "conspiracy" research does.
1 monsda 2015-06-12
Such as?
2 rurootin4pootin 2015-06-12
Go spend a couple weeks investigating it as i did.
5 rurootin4pootin 2015-06-12
Here is a short 1 hour primer for the lazy or "too busy".
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9yMdynxBDVQ
-4 ggushea 2015-06-12
I have done extensive research on the Boston bombing. Not once have I seen any proof of a psyop. Curious to this. Would you send me a link so I can check it out for myself ?
Edit Getting down voted for asking for information to educate myself further? Is that not literally the point of this sub?
21 WhiskeyGoSlow 2015-06-12
After posting the links, I figure you're probably kidding me. The fakery is explicit in every video/photograph. Not to knock your 'research' or anything... In case you're serious, here you go:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOpMYz7bjuI http://deepinsidetherabbithole.com/The_Boston_Bombing_Hoax.html
2 ggushea 2015-06-12
Thanks I will take a stab at these when I get off work today. I fully am aware of a lot of fuckery but not the psyop other than training shit and the guys with the hats.
8 deathlyzero 2015-06-12
Video guy here. The fact that not one camera operator on the finish line bridge, moved to zoom in and capture the bombing footage speaks volumes all in itself. There is only one camera that released footage of a time-laps of the footage, and it was sped up so bad that almost none of it was useable. it also never changed position. Total controlled media.
2 tonyperkissenior 2015-06-12
What does a video guy do?
6 deathlyzero 2015-06-12
Filming and editing for Music, Tv, Movies, News.
0 chakrablocker 2015-06-12
Thats not convincing
6 WhiskeyGoSlow 2015-06-12
Well honestly, I couldn't find the youtube video I wanted. I encourage you to search for the immediate aftermath footage and see if you can count more than ~10 injured people. Then look up the official injury count.
1 chakrablocker 2015-06-12
Sounds like they're counting anyone that went to the hospital to get checked out after the incident.
5 WhiskeyGoSlow 2015-06-12
Did you see Jeff Bauman in the wheelchair? Double severed femoral arteries? Just sitting upright, looking like he might have just gotten bitten by a mosquito or need to take a poo?
7 chakrablocker 2015-06-12
Shock
3 ggushea 2015-06-12
You are literally describing a physiological response our bodies have called shock.
1 ggushea 2015-06-12
I really hate to say t but hat video isn't quite helpful. While it does point out a few strange things it uses hella fallacies. As it shows a woman with blood on her face with the text overlay saying "look no blood" I almost think that was made by anticonspiracy believers to take away validity of the legit problems with the bombing.
1 rurootin4pootin 2015-06-12
I dont have the time to eli5 it but here are a couple things to ponder.
Find the video of the finish line site watch the flags as the "blast" aka smokebomb goes off. Now tell me if that wind velocity could tear the top off a rice pudding let alone arms and legs.
Find the relevant photos of casual-hoody-sunglasses-anon-guy and watch his actions from the first photo you find. Which should be one of him crouching against the wall near the site before the bang.
32 FranktheShank1 2015-06-12
Have you ever seen Bloomberg's emails about how to capitalize on Sandy hook? Within a few hours of that tragedy, he was trying to figure out how to get guns taken away, the emails will make you sick...
http://gunfreezone.net/wordpress/index.php/2014/01/10/surfing-in-blood-part-1-bloombergs-sandy-hook-quick-response-team/
0 mettyat 2015-06-12
Why are the emails sick?
8 FranktheShank1 2015-06-12
Just the way he tried to capitalize on the event literally hours after it happened. There's no sorrow or anything in any of them, just "ok, what celebrities can we get for these commercials"
7 mettyat 2015-06-12
To be fair he's discussing a work issue with colleagues not directly involved in any loss (I presume), no real need to express emotional opinion in them. Also, cynical as it may be, and, if sandy hook took place, moving quickly to help a cause such as an anti gun policy whilst the issue is high on the agenda is a good ploy. I expect there were numerous emails flying around after the event in the political world, the pro gun lobby was probably preparing it's statement too.
4 FranktheShank1 2015-06-12
True I guess but Bloomberg makes me ill. He tries to take guns away here and then jets off to israel to shake hands with a genocidal megalomaniac and approves of the BS that goes on over there.
3 bubblescivic 2015-06-12
Never waste a good tragedy.
28 [deleted] 2015-06-12
You can't post anything controversial in this sub without being attacked by shills. This sub is a known, popular target.
3 downvotes____really 2015-06-12
Are you joking? This subreddit brings up the sandy hook conspiracy at least once a week and everyone upvotes it to the front page. I think my biggest conspiracy theory is that /r/conspiracy is a satirical circlejerk, because I find it hard to believe that people who worship skepticism can be this conformed and stupid.
2 Uberrancel 2015-06-12
That's fun but it is interesting for people new to reddit or to conspiracies. This is the only sandy hook thing I've ever bothered to read. Most titles scare people away? Don't know don't care.
1 downvotes____really 2015-06-12
Doesn't matter, OP deleted the account, probably to generate more conspiracy chatter.
26 RageMojo 2015-06-12
The donated Christmas trees were already in the news shots on the day it supposedly occurred. No bio hazard clean up was ever ordered. There is a ton of stuff that indicates this was BS. Parents were staged actors laughing moments before going on camera. If my 5 year old died it would be many years before i would laugh again. This stinks to high fucking heaven.
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9 deathlyzero 2015-06-12
As pointed out before as well. All the donation sites are bunk. It takes to long to set up legitimate donation centers, and accounts. Robbies were done in less than 24 hours. That's an impossibility.....anyone can go try to set one up and will in no way be able to set one up in less than 5 working days.
5 shoziku 2015-06-12
I would never consent to an interview. Because of the way the media exploits people I would have not been able to talk to anyone had I lost a child there. some parents were highly ready to speak to the cameras.
2 laliluleno 2015-06-12
No life flight choppers, the felon from NY, the shed, the edited dash cam footage, and Robbie 'laughing minutes after my daughter died' Parker. It's all crashing down on them.
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Everyone Must Check In
20 BadgerGecko 2015-06-12
Best link I found
http://www.sandyhookjustice.com/about-us.html
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4 burningempires 2015-06-12
How can you expect videos when there were no cameras capable of recording in the school?
3 mjh808 2015-06-12
"Dear Members of our Sandy Hook Family,
Our district will be implementing a security system in all elementary schools as part of our ongoing efforts to ensure student safety. As usual, exterior doors will be locked during the day. Every visitor will be required to ring the doorbell at the front entrance and the office staff will use a visual monitoring system to allow entry." http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2013/01/08/where-is-sandy-hook-schools-surveilliance-video/
There's also a visible camera outside the school but what does it matter when they can just say they weren't working.
5 burningempires 2015-06-12
Note: system, not cameras. There was a new PROCEDURE in place, but the cameras dated back to 2006, and had no recording capability.
Also p17 in the official report
2 mjh808 2015-06-12
That's strange because it was reported as being a new security system http://www.campussafetymagazine.com/article/sandy-hook-principal-recently-upgraded-school-security/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School then there's the other camera out the front which couldn't be used for identifying people for entry due to its placement and angle.
4 RedditsNewGuy 2015-06-12
Those were leaked. No one got them because they asked for them. Also, there wasn't a security system that captured video of Sandy Hook.
19 DukeLeto2 2015-06-12
Search YouTube for "We need to talk about Sandy Hook" that lasts more than 2 hrs. It's fairly comprehensive.
10 aidotato5 2015-06-12
This?
4 DukeLeto2 2015-06-12
Yes.
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1 downvotes____really 2015-06-12
Those are bots. Calm down.
13 BransonBombshell 2015-06-12
I call bullshit.
I went through 12 Sandy Hook posts as recent as last week and as old as 2 years and all the links work fine. Check your firewall.
Edit: Make that Double Bullshit. I Googled "Sandy Hook Report" and every link worked and I was able to download the whole thing.
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1 DukeLeto2 2015-06-12
Do you use a VPN? I'd suggest get one like Private Internet Access and do your work through it.
0 downvotes____really 2015-06-12
Where are those screenshots though?
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1 runbilly 2015-06-12
I've never even seen a triple bullshit.
11 DronePuppet 2015-06-12
OP research "traumatic based control" and remember anything in the mainstream news is most likely conjured up to keep the human mind in a state of control.
Also there is a good documentary on the subject as well.
Research this title: We Need to Talk about Sandy Hook
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11 DronePuppet 2015-06-12
Simple, Mind / Thought Control. Keeping people on pins and needles with that "hint of fear" in the background that something evil might happen that does it.
I will say that once you start researching it, the rabbit hole is huge and long! You'll have to prepare yourself for that ride.
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4 WhiskeyGoSlow 2015-06-12
...Where were the teachers. Where were the students besides a few pictures of ~10 students. Why were cops running at the wrong school? What was up with the men in the woods (they claimed to be distressed parents). Why is there no video footage of Adam despite recent security camera updates? Why weren't first responders allowed on the scene...it goes on and on. I agree with an earlier poster who said that Sandy Hook isn't as open and shut as Boston, because SH just has a lot of holes. With Boston, there is obvious fakery recorded on video.
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4 WhiskeyGoSlow 2015-06-12
One crazy thing about Boston bombing is the reported injury count in the hundreds. A quick look at the photos tells you that at the most ~10 people are lying on the ground.
http://deepinsidetherabbithole.com/The_Boston_Bombing_Hoax.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOpMYz7bjuI
There was also a post from an orthopedic surgeon (or maybe ER doc) on reddit not so long ago stating that she saw no victims in the ER that day from the Boston Bombing.
Look at the photos of the double amputee Jeff ___ being wheeled off the scene. That would never happen -- paramedics would never place a gravity-dependent injury in a wheelchair and not a stretcher.
4 LetsHackReality 2015-06-12
Just, very simply, how long can a person remain conscious with 2 severed femoral arteries and zero blood pressure?
I know in Brazilian jiu jitsu / MMA, a person will pass out after 5 seconds of having both carotid arteries blocked.
edit: Oh, and then the guy triumphantly appeared at a PR event (hockey game) 19 days after having his legs blown off. 19 days. I've had pulled hamstrings that take longer to heal. smh
edit2:
Here's a Hollywood producer explaining how he things the Boston Bombing was done:
This man cannot be conscious. (Warning fake blood & gore):
And nobody short of Wolverine can make this sort of recovery:
3 nachosmmm 2015-06-12
I am so confused now. But if all of these people are actors, who is paying them? and why havent any of them talked yet? Wouldnt this be leaked eventually???
1 WhiskeyGoSlow 2015-06-12
Speculations...
1 shoziku 2015-06-12
Because they were paid to not talk, is most likely.
1 nachosmmm 2015-06-12
But someone has to come out eventually.
1 shoziku 2015-06-12
I would hope so, if the benefits outweighed the penalty for talking.
1 another_matt 2015-06-12
You're asking the right questions. I can never understand the lengths this sub goes to to pretend/imagine that every large scale event is a carefully orchestrated dog and pony show.
From the research I have done about the Boston bombing it seems most likely that it was yet another FBI terrorist sting (one of dozens) except this one got away from them and resulted in an actual attack.
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5 WhiskeyGoSlow 2015-06-12
Here it is: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/34vs8r/lorraine_day_md_former_chief_of_orthopedic/
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-1 WhiskeyGoSlow 2015-06-12
I doubt the evidence. Sorry.
Also, did you know Lorraie Day, MD? She posted on /r/conspiracy saying there were no injuries that day.
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2 InspectorBloor 2015-06-12
Don't forget that there are huge chunks of REDACTED video in that clip!
Why?
2 DronePuppet 2015-06-12
See, lots of questions that get no one answers. They just feed people what they want them to see over and over. Its all calculated based on mind control studies.
Like Morpheus said: Free Your Mind
10 gingerjuice 2015-06-12
Google a guy called Wolfgang Halbig. He's a former cop and school district employee who has spent the last few years digging into Sandy Hook. He has some really excellent points.
9 deathlyzero 2015-06-12
He's a distraction shill. Makes people think someone is doing something about the hoax so regular people don't dig. He's been at it for over a year and has gotten nowhere. He's collected donations for his agenda of FOA requests....which are free to do. His 10 and now 16 questions are bogus and immature, and other people have stated have been answered long ago. Halbig just looks past that and continues his scam. Go read the questions.....written by a 12 year old.
1 laliluleno 2015-06-12
To be fair, he has a legitimate background and his donations fund transportation and attorney fees. Never the less, he is far from the solution we want or need in regards to gathering "we the people" against this terrorist conspiracy against the american populace.
0 dejenerate 2015-06-12
And he harasses teachers and parents, not government officials. Then begs for more money. That's enough proof for me that the guy is a creep and in no way interested in cracking open real conspiracies lying beneath the Sandy Hook tragedy.
10 thegr8rambino13 2015-06-12
Yes I've been suspicious of it from day one. No medevac choppers were called in which is the fastest way to get people to the hospital. And I read somewhere that the FBI put "0" deaths for the event in their national crime thing or something. Very strange. And I remember seeing some of the parents laughing/ not looking sad at all talking to cameras!!! Like wtf??? And I also read the entire school was demolished and rebuilt. Why??? Part of me feels nobody actually died there that day and it was just a big psyop to pass more gun control laws.
1 m4k4v3l1Th3d0n 2015-06-12
BINGO!!! we have a winner!
-1 fite_the_pauer 2015-06-12
nope. Choppers have prep times. It is far from the fastest, when a car is already on scene and the hospital is a short distance away. Please stop spreading this disinformation.
You read wrong. The FBI did no such thing. You really should stop reading sources that are demonstratably lying to you if you have any self respect at all.
Because 26 people were slaughtered there and they had money to build a new school. Also it has not yet been rebuilt.
Please cut out that part of you. There may still be time.
3 muertex 2015-06-12
Without any sources, it's hard to take anything about these comments seriously.
1 fite_the_pauer 2015-06-12
here you go https://www.metabunk.org/sk/20140925-092053-efnrm.jpg
...from this (large PDF): http://www.dpsdata.ct.gov/dps/ucr/data/2012/Crime%20In%20Connecticut%20COMPLETE%202012.pdf
...which is what the FBI compiles their report from.
2 hack_jealousy 2015-06-12
Why didn't any of the ambulances take children then?
-1 fite_the_pauer 2015-06-12
Two police officers rushed the only two surviving child victims to hospital in their own cars. Neither made it. There were no other wounded children, just deceased. No one for the ambulances to pick up. No one for the choppers to pick up, for that matter.
1 hack_jealousy 2015-06-12
Sure. Because they always declare death without even trying.
-1 fite_the_pauer 2015-06-12
Without even trying? You must not be aware of the actual measures taken to triage them.
How embarrassing for you, making such a foolish statement without bothering to even once check the facts.
1 thegr8rambino13 2015-06-12
So why was anyone who tried to investigate it threatened and intimidated by cops ? And do you have any proof for your counterclaims? How about the one about the parents just laughing and not looking sad? You conveniently ignored that bit.
0 fite_the_pauer 2015-06-12
No one has, at least not that I'm aware of. Wolfgang Halbig claims he was, but he's a well-known liar and fraud, in addition to being an evil lunatic. No police visited him. Ask him for badge numbers if you don't believe me.
Apologies if that's not who you were referring to, I have not heard of any other cases.
Which ones require proof? They were mostly based on common sense and the axiom that claims presented without any evidence require no evidence to dismiss. For example, "helicopters are the fastest way to transport victims in all cases" is just pure horseshit. It does not reflect reality. There's no need for a source, just like there's no need to cite a source for the number 3 coming after 2 and before 4.
This is more a matter of life experience and intelligence. If you believe traumatized and grieving parents are weeping 24 hours a day, then you will have some unpleasant realizations if you ever find yourself in the position to know first or even second hand. PTSD, shock, and the grieving process are complicated. Losing someone inspires both sadness and gratefulness that you knew that person. Where do you think the concept of a "celebration of life" ceremony comes from?
10 some_random_kaluna 2015-06-12
Go to Wikipedia.
Scroll down to the "works cited" list.
Verify that the links work, and begin your research. I've checked some of them and they all work fine, going to legitimate places.
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7 some_random_kaluna 2015-06-12
Heh. Yeah. Ever since President Obama did his AMA, some things have been off about Reddit.
It's easier to start a controversy in subreddits that have absolutely nothing to do with the main page or modern topics. I frequent /r/ArtisanVideos, which is about blacksmiths making knives, potters making pottery and cooks cooking. I've seen people start calling each other out over censorship in that sub, and mods jump and ban people for little things.
Reddit is getting a little creepy.
9 deathlyzero 2015-06-12
Reddit is also not a good place to look for Sandy Hook info. A while back all the subs got deleted and scrubbed because a few people posted peoples names, addresses, contact info, ect. So the mods scrubbed reddit for almost everything Sandy Hook related. They did this even though most information was publicly available on google.
8 deathlyzero 2015-06-12
When you find the video of the guy at Sandy Hook taking his mask off by the bus......then you will know whats up. enjoy looking. Try Namesnotmary on youtube.
15 wonderbrett 2015-06-12
https://youtu.be/iGGsPVbG3iw
6 ShakesJr 2015-06-12
Oh. What. The. Fuck? That's weird. That's really weird.
4 muertex 2015-06-12
Yep I like the part where the camera guy moves so you can't see him.
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3 muertex 2015-06-12
I'm sorry
2 deathlyzero 2015-06-12
that's the one. :)
0 lightjedi5 2015-06-12
Whoa. That's freaking weird. I mean I guess there could be a logical explanation but that's strange
7 dsprox 2015-06-12
I once posted a write up on "Oil Train Car Derailments", an analysis on said incidents occurring within the United States and Canada, with more focus on those regions around the proposed Keystone XL pipeline, in order to determine whether or not there was an active conspiracy being engaged in to purposely derail oil tanker rail cars in order to garner support to pass the Keystone XL pipeline.
I can not find this information online anymore, no search of my username and any combination of keywords, or even keywords alone, provides me with a result which is the post I was maintaining detailing these things.
I feel it was deleted, as I definitely posted it, but by whom, I do not know and do not seem to be able to determine.
I feel that as you are stating about this Sandy Hook information, that there is a grand conspiracy being enacted right now, to remove information from the internet.
This is why people need to keep hard copies of information that is really that important.
It's nice that the KJV bible is online, but I still have my physical KJV bible just so that I know that I have a form of the text which is guaranteed to always have the same words on the page. You can hack a website, but you can't exactly hack a book.
7 LetsHackReality 2015-06-12
Long story short: It was a staged event. I don't know how much more to tell you here.
If you want to dig deep, first watch:
Then watch:
What you do with this information is up to you, but I could make some suggestions.
1 laliluleno 2015-06-12
What would one suggest? Spreading the word?
2 LetsHackReality 2015-06-12
Sandy Hook is not an isolated event. If you've watched the second video to the end, you will realize the US is no longer a safe place to live. I suggest leaving the country (may not be possible), getting all your assets out of US institutions (easier said than done), THEN spreading the word. That's what I did, anyhow.
Always possible something unpredictable could come along and fix everything. I will never be more happy to be wrong in all my life. But I believe we're looking at the next Great Depression... if we're lucky.
7 nopooq 2015-06-12
I'm glad you came forward. As someone who has looked into the issue, it seems to be pretty clear that the incident was a false flag attack, and I was beginning to wonder if anyone connected to Sandy Hook noticed any inconsistencies.
I would highly recommend that you watch the first 40 or so minutes of each of these two documentaries:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMsiNMnW0t0 It'll probably only take you about 40 minutes because after that, you will likely be fairly convinced that it didn't happen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxTafqejV6k This second documentary goes into further depth and assumes you already know some of the inconsistencies of what happened. This documentary focuses more on WHY they would fake such an incident.
6 sgtdarkstar 2015-06-12
my favorite sandy hook bit of evidence is someone who searched google maps, and got the satellite view of the school, and a nearby school...and showed sandy hook to be inactive. they cannot hide all the evidence, but can make it hard to find.
1 aerodynamicgoats 2015-06-12
Inactive how? Do you think that Google satellite is a live feed?
6 quantummajic 2015-06-12
What about how a large number of sandy hook families managed to win the state lottery in the months following the event
1 laliluleno 2015-06-12
Really? I thought it was just donations.
2 quantummajic 2015-06-12
Google sandy hook lottery. Its been like 8 or more and some have won more than once. Small world lol
1 laliluleno 2015-06-12
Holy shit...thats a deep conspiracy.
6 Philly2Cali 2015-06-12
the coroner was an absolute cook. the aerial photos showing no real movement from any of the vehicles in the parking lot. the crisis actor who played the concerned neighbor who took in 5 kids or so to protect them to add legitimacy to the story and the military style gunman filmed exiting the rear of the campus who was strangely never pursued. don't worry about the people who attack you, they are so closed minded and many are full of hate.
5 mettyat 2015-06-12
If this was a government operation, what were they trying to achieve?
4 ExcuseMyTourettes 2015-06-12
Shortly after the shooting, this event as well as many gun-related deaths were brought to light in mainstream media as a way to soften the blow when the government would attempt to strip citizens of the right to own a firearm. It was one of the many attempts to disarm the people and take away the right to bear arms.
0 mettyat 2015-06-12
Thank you for the reply. I'm not at all familiar with the case (from uk), I am trying to understand what people are saying the end goal was to any conspiracy.
4 VickVandervoose 2015-06-12
Are you kidding me??? They've been trying to remove the second amendment for I don't know how long. They've had multiple false flags. They don't want anyone capable of fighting back when the dollar dies and people are forced to riot. Seriously how do you not understand gun control?
4 mettyat 2015-06-12
Hi, thanks for your response. I do understand gun control, I come from a country with very strict gun control. We seem to get along OK here and have less massacres than you guys. Do you honestly think that the people toting gun control laws for the US are all in collusion to create a situation whereby the government turns into a dictatorship? What good would that do them? Business would suffer profits would suffer, malcontent would reign, the country would ultimately suffer. What sort of end goal is that? If I were out to take control of a populace this wouldn't be high on the list of suggestions.
0 VickVandervoose 2015-06-12
Ok, so by the last sentence I can see you don't get it. I'm not American either but I know why the second amendment exists. To stop the same exact thing that is happening now. Of course I don't think that everyone is in on this. That's absolutely ridiculous. They're doing it for their reasons, some are pushed along by those that do not want a people that can defend themselves.
What good? They don't have to shoot everyone, they just knock on their door and take them. You want to take control of everyone and you don't think this would be top priority? They could and would all ban together and fucking shoot you. Then you would understand this is one of the most important things they need to deal with.
You think businesses have a say? They've been writing thousands of laws restricting what you can purchase. The people who want this done don't need any fucking money. They make the money.
Finally, you don't understand when this would matter. By the time they would have to deal with gun owners, the dollar would've collapsed already. There are no profits at that time, the businesses are trying to stop looters.
The end goal is control. I thought everyone knew you can't control an armed country. That is why the second amendment exists. Do some research into the past and the economic collapse we're in and maybe you'll have enough puzzle pieces to understand this.
2 mettyat 2015-06-12
OK, there seems to be a recurring theme to your argument. They, whoever they are, want to control the populace. Who are they and why do they want it. If it's not money then what? Power? Power to do what?
1 VickVandervoose 2015-06-12
Sorry, I realized I didn't really clarify but I'm talking about the elite, central bankers, bilderberg. The one's who don't want to lose their power, they just want more. That's what happens when you get it. It's hard to understand but it's one of the best highs you can get. That's why they fuck little boys, they're powerless and that really gets them off or something.
Don't take it from me, this is out there. I would say more but I can't explain this to you and it wouldn't be worth it without context. I don't know all the motivations. I wish I could explain more but if you want to know, you have examine all the information yourself. I'll send you something.
1 mettyat 2015-06-12
Thanks, I'm genuinely interested in the thought behind the rhetoric.
5 Ambiguously_Ironic 2015-06-12
There was a user a while back who was doing extensive research into Sandy Hook anomalies, combing over pictures, going through financial and real estate records, etc. This user uncovered a ton of weird and unexplained details and had a list of questions that had never been adequately answered.
This user had at least three of her accounts shadowbanned by the reddit admins as well as having two entire subreddits banned and deleted - both subreddits were focused specifically on investigating Sandy Hook.
5 mjh808 2015-06-12
Watch "We need to talk about sandy hook", also while many have had doubts as to his legitimacy, Wolfgang Halbig has been making some progress with FOIA requests etc - he also caught something I didn't through the school photos, the whole place was full of mold which adds to the theory of it not being a working school. One of the bigger issues for me remains the police declaring everyone dead instead of allowing EMS to do their job. Obviously you're most interested in SH being a teacher but you should look at other events as well which may make this easier to accept - it's a bit of a process for some to learn the world is a whole lot more corrupt than we are led to believe. eg. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95rreUsziEc and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWuAct1BxHU and https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cia+media
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Is Sandy Hook a real town, though? And since it is wouldn't there be real students and real faculty from that real school who could have come forward to say "nothing happened that day! What are you all talking about?", if in fact, the entire event was staged and so-called crisis actors were used? Wouldn't the actual people who went to that school have noticed this?
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Exactly. Surely there are people who live in Sandy Hook who would have called it out after it was all over the national media. Unless the entire town is an FBI campground haha.
1 laliluleno 2015-06-12
Speculation doesn't trump the questionable events that happened on that day.
2 WhiskeyGoSlow 2015-06-12
--Just two thoughts, but I agree with you. I can only assign probabilities of doubt with the SH conspiracy, rather than certainty. It's very weird.
Oh, I forgot to mention earlier: Here's Gene Rosen 'practicing' his spiel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igfczc6m5M4
4 Patfanz 2015-06-12
Alright can someone answer a few things for me? Assuming everything is a conspiracy, why would sandy hook happen? what benefit was there for whoever it was (besides who they say it was) to shoot up a school. Also the same questions thrown at the boston bombing. I cant figure it out but maybe im looking at it wrong, i see no possible benefit from these things. Can someone clearify why these are conspiracys?
10 TheHangoverCure 2015-06-12
To push the assault weapons ban.
Edit specifically Sandy Hook, I don't think that Boston had anything to do with that issue.
5 muertex 2015-06-12
Boston Bombing was a live exercise in how martial law will work. That hasn't been done in a long time and not with our current military equipment. They took the data to see how they could improve and how their equipment would be utilized.
2 TheHangoverCure 2015-06-12
Thanks, I'm going to need to read up on it some more, I haven't done any research into the conspiracy there.
1 Patfanz 2015-06-12
This has been the answer ive been looking for, thankyou!
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8 Patfanz 2015-06-12
So youre saying if the government were to start pulling a putin (killing off rivals) then the citizens would have no access to that data to prove it was an assassination? Thats what i get out of this.
1 mjh808 2015-06-12
Damn, didn't know anyone actually believed that propaganda about Putin killing opposition who had absolutely no chance of winning any kind of election.
6 mjh808 2015-06-12
You need to see how many times gun control has been pushed by the Sandy Hook fraudsters since the event. Mass shootings were also used in Scotland and Australia to take the guns.
4 Patfanz 2015-06-12
Gun control makes no sense to me, With a large revenue coming in from selling guns and alot of gun manufacturers in the US, youd think theyd be roped into all the other businesses that are part of "conspircays" with trade agreements and what not. The only thing i can think of is that it was a test to see how population would react to gun control and to put minir laws in place for a bigger law to come. It appears to be a way to lower our defenses so we have no power to fight the government. But of course this is just my wild speculation, it is still unclear to me the exact reason. And if its for fear, then what for? Its need to be a much larger scare to rally people behind something. As for the boston bombing, i dont get it, i really dont. If it was to "increase hatred of the middle east, then it failed, cause theyre are still high tensions from 911 and now isis, they dont need the bostom bombing to induce hatred, so why? usually someone has come up with reasons like with 9/11 and well every other conspiracy, but why dont these? why is there no possible reasoning? I hadnt really thought of any of this til now when i saw your post and now im curious and ima try and do some research. But so far, with everything in this country, i might just move to finland to become a sheep herder and get away from it all. :P
8 yoholmes 2015-06-12
gun control is a huge statement of power mentally. I didnt realize how big of a deal it could make until i lived in Enlgand for a few months. The only people who have guns is your government it sends a big message.
The girl i lived with, her boyfriend was in the royal army, anytime she visited the base she would go through the ECP where there was armed guards with semi automatic weapons. Just seeing the gun made her extremely uncomfortable and frightened.
That speaks volumes to me. Its a power move and a really big one to see your government with weapons and you cant have one.
Imagine in the future they keep getting us more and more scared of things and remove our right to bear arms. Then something tragic happens nationally. The federal government initiates martial law for "our safety". Army bases in the middle of our cities. They patrol with 50 cals vehicles and M16 patrol men.
You have no weapons now. You is in the power of position? Its supposed to be our duty to defend the country against a corrupt government if we have to. And if we cant then what?
3 Patfanz 2015-06-12
I can completely understand this but in a country where we already outgun our military (i think by 9-1? someone correct me on that) a gun ban is litteraly impossible, guns are already into our society, britain works that way because theyve had hundreds of years to keep weapons away and make it part of the culture. Here tho having weapons are a part of the culture, so gun control is a lost cause. I can see what theyre trying to do but it will not work so why try?
5 yoholmes 2015-06-12
I strongly believe people should live facing the fear to be truly free. But constantly having people afraid of weapons and events like sandy hook do make a lot of people believe guns are bad and they kill kids.
Also with the word terrorist being thrown around freely it will be so easy to label anyone with a weapon a possible terrorist. With mass media people will be scared of weapons and spun the right way your neighbor will turn you in for owning a weapon. Your kids will innocently report you to their second grade teacher who has just left college.
It would take time but this is what makes the most sense to me. Guns kill kids. With the recent events they are painting the looming fear, "Even Americans can be terrorists and they dont have to be muslims. They could be that quiet white guy!"
5 Patfanz 2015-06-12
See i hate the argument "guns kill kids/people" cause although its true, it isnt, its the person behind it. If you have someone responsible they will save lives then take them. If guns kill kids then so do cars and we should ban them too. I agree guns make it easy but if we take gund away from those who use them responsibly then only those who use them iresponsibly will have them because they will either obtain them illegaly or hide them away. If you look at switzerland, it has one if the lowest crime rates because Everyone has a gun, why would rob/attack someone that you know has a gun? I firmly believe if everyone has a gun then theyre will be less violence because no one is going to attack or rob someone they know have a gun. Ontop of that, if someone really is intent on killing/shooting a bunch of people, no law will prevent it.
3 yoholmes 2015-06-12
im with you man.
1 thesender1 2015-06-12
That argument also goes with knives, drugs, household cleaning supplies, etc. anything kills, especially if a human is using it to kill. Stranglers use their hands, but no one is banning hands.
1 Uberrancel 2015-06-12
So I tell you guns are bad. Something bad happens. You tell me to do something about the bad thing. I say let me have some more authority and I can. Just some paperwork stuff. Red tape ya know? You say sure just stop it. I say thanks. Now I say guns are harder to get. You should feel safer. And you do. Then something bad happens. And you say make it stop. I say sure sure but I need a little more help, more paperwork rules I don't like. You say sure sure. Do what you need to. I make guns tougher to get. I tell you to feel better now. I got the bad guy. And you do feel better. Then something bad happens....
This is how things get weird fast. The NSA was told to stop spying on all of us. Do you think they will? Why would they? We can even ask them if they did but if they didn't would they tell us? Guns are everywhere but can be made a bad guy because they don't have the most money anyway.
2 dirtydee000thedi 2015-06-12
I firmly believe the gun control "debate" is a non issue wag the dog item just like most of the political discussion.
8 dericknoetzel 2015-06-12
I watched a very long youtube documentary that proves it was a political stunt to do two things.
1) Push MILLIONS of dollars around to key people (community leaders, government, first responders)
2) Aid the gun control agenda.
Someone followed a money trail and shit was fucked up.
I found the link! It's still up. I cried three times watching this.
http://youtu.be/IxTafqejV6k
0 Patfanz 2015-06-12
Ima have to watch this later but why is gun control a thing? i dont get it! i really dont, and why did sandy hook need to happen for them to push money around, they can do it behind our backs like they do all the time. Also, is it a possibility it isnt a conspiracy but they just used the incident to their advantage?
5 LetsHackReality 2015-06-12
Gun control: The intent is to disarm the populace so that they will have no way to resist hard force. As millions of people wake up to the deception, soft/psychological control will no longer work. They're breaking out the goon squads for hard control -- we're already seeing this with the militarization/fascisization of police. It will only get worse.
Take a look at what's happened in other countries (Iraq & Afghanistan are prime examples), and dispel yourself of the illusion that It Can't Happen Here.
They want us defenseless.
1 Patfanz 2015-06-12
I can completely understand and see that this could be the intent but i doubt itll happen, theres no way theyre taking my guns from me, nor anyone else. Idk only time will tell, i cant see it happening. But if thats the intent behind all this then i truly am worried about our future.
2 LetsHackReality 2015-06-12
If 8 men with AR15s want your guns at 3am... they're getting your guns.
Don't worry, but do get educated, make your plans, and execute them. FWIW, I have left the country and do not plan to return.
2 Patfanz 2015-06-12
If people are going around the country forcebly removing guns i would have been long gone to another country.
2 LetsHackReality 2015-06-12
What do you think gun control laws are?
1 Patfanz 2015-06-12
Basically exactly that, but i highly doubt its going to get to that stage, the farthest i see it going is sales limitations.
2 LetsHackReality 2015-06-12
And when there are tanks in the streets, the public will applaud them for "keeping us safe". Because the teevee tells them to. Nasty, nasty game.
1 UnderwritingRules 2015-06-12
Who's 'they'?
3 LetsHackReality 2015-06-12
Extremely wealthy oligarchs. Very successful criminals, if you will. This video, while not perfect, explains an awful lot:
0 runbilly 2015-06-12
I don't really understand the want to take people's guns. One drone pretty much makes having guns a moot point.
2 LetsHackReality 2015-06-12
But once you use a drone, you have thousands of armed people suddenly resisting, counter-attacking. It's a big game of psychology and force, and I'd be lying if I said I fully understood it.
1 dericknoetzel 2015-06-12
Because if a government without good intentions gets rid of everyone's defense, they can more easily control us.
Gun control is huge in Australia and it somehow worked well for them. Probably because they have a more trustworthy government.
The idea that some "conspiracy theorists" have is that the mega rich want full control over society.
5 WideAwakeNWO 2015-06-12
I imagine in Sandy Hook the motive was the comprehensive gun control bill which the OA tried to ram through Congress. Just like after 9/11, they passed the Patriot Act which legalized widespread wire tapping of all Americans.
You need to first pull on America's heart strings before the American people will accept these types of draconian measures. It's all about priming the pump.
4 DronePuppet 2015-06-12
Fear, gun control and more power by the "so called professional authorities" to do what they want based on cheap supposition.
3 mjh808 2015-06-12
Why are you saying 'assuming everything is a conspiracy'? Do you realize how many shootings etc happen without getting a mention? Anyway, Sandy Hook seems clearly about gun control, Boston seems to be just one of many staged plots to ensure the intel agencies keep their terror budget, they usually use Muslims, not sure if just because it's only considered terrorism when they're Muslim or because inciting hatred for them is good for the war business. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX0UTB-Foyc and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwvTC4F_H3o and http://www.salon.com/2011/09/29/fbi_terror/
0 Patfanz 2015-06-12
The reason i say "assuming" is because i was trying to weed out any responses such as "theres a possibility its not a conspiracy" i agree there are many shootings, just trying to lessen some responses.
2 smokefilled 2015-06-12
Fear is a great tool when trying to make people emotional not rational. Think Oklahoma City bombing. Sandy hook occurred in December of 2012. Next within a month and a half we saw the deaths of prominent gun advocates. John noveske, Keith ratliffe and even Chris kyle. Bring in the UN arms treaty. You figure it out. Do some more research.
2 Gingerthebeard 2015-06-12
think about what the military and government wanted to do during the cold war, they wante to bomb and attack epicanters and blame the cubans, so that they could go to war.
0 Patfanz 2015-06-12
Yah and thats a theory behind 9/11, how does that relate to what i said?
2 Gingerthebeard 2015-06-12
im saying that the people in charge will use tragedy to push their plans into action. anything they can do to push gun control to weaken the people.
1 Patfanz 2015-06-12
Ah, yah i agree with that
0 SirFoxx 2015-06-12
That would be my question too. What would be the endgame for doing something like this that was a black op instead of how it was reported? What's the goal(s) here?
0 Patfanz 2015-06-12
People are saying fear and gun control... but itd have to be a much larger scale for a full nation to be affected.
3 WideAwakeNWO 2015-06-12
Do you not remember the wall to wall coverage for days on all media outlets in the aftermath of both of these events? It was at least a week of 24/7 propaganda.
2 deanasaurs77 2015-06-12
Why would it have to be bigger? The Nile begins as a trickle.
1 Patfanz 2015-06-12
Yah but my mother wasnt at home crying when it happened, she was when 9/11 hit, its wasnt quite on the same scale.
2 WideAwakeNWO 2015-06-12
Ironically I was the complete opposite. On 9/11 I actually made a joke about it when I was setting the weekly budget at work.
I think I wrote something like "let's blow up our budget from last year, like the world Trade Center" or something similar. Not very smart looking back on it.
Sandy Hook however, I literally cried several times when I saw the parents "crying" over their "dead kids". I fell for the Sandy Hook pysop hook, line and sinker. It wasn't until the Boston Marathon Bombing that I really woke up to the TPTB deception and pysop's.
-2 WhiskeyGoSlow 2015-06-12
Speculation is a lazy habit of conspiracy theorists. We can do it, but it usually removes our thinking further from hard evidence (or in SH, obvious lack of evidence).
4 AerMarcus 2015-06-12
Wow I just looked it up because of you guys, they got actors, the school was closed for years, etc etc, shit goes back..
4 ESeeDoubleU 2015-06-12
I enjoy conspiracies but I'm a natural skeptic. Of all of them, the only two I find actually credible are JFK and Sandy Hook. The more you read about Sandy Hook, the more you realize how easy it would be to cover up everything, and then discredit anyone who questions the official story with "CHILDREN ARE DEAD HOW DARE YOU ASK QUESTIONS".
One thing that I think I found that certainly points to green screen technology being used at Sandy Hook. Watch this video, specifically starting at the 20:20 mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7dnJFq7lJU
Right in the middle of the frame is a bigger guy in a light blue coat, and a blonde lady holding some papers in a navy blue coat. Watch the lady. She goes off to the left, and at that moment another man in a brownish coat walks in front of the camera momentarily blocking her.
But for one little moment - you need to rewind the video a couple of times to see it because it's so fucking brief - but her leg covers up part of the planter she's supposed to be walking behind.
Here is a freezeframe of the moment in question. The brown planter is clearly being covered up by the blue of her jeans, but she doesn't stub her knee or anything, instead her leg glides through the planter as if she were a ghost.
1 HS_00 2015-06-12
What about Donald Trump's "hair." You couldn't possibly believe in that, could you?
1 downvotes____really 2015-06-12
I've watched it at .25 speeds and idunno, it could be a bit weird with that guy walking by. I also never quite see the frame you're showing. Did you edit this at all?
1 ESeeDoubleU 2015-06-12
It took me a whole bunch of tries to pause it on the exact right moment. As I mentioned, its extremely brief with the other man walking across the frame and blocking the blonde lady and the planter.
3 TheCocaineFairy 2015-06-12
This has happened to other conspiracy forums. Whole archives of good info just disappeared.
3 alforno 2015-06-12
You may want to test-drive a VPN service and see if your search results are the same. Wouldn't it be interesting if search results were filtered more in the areas surrounding the event?
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3 alforno 2015-06-12
Virtual Private Network. It is a way to make it look like your accessing other computers on the internet (like web servers that host google) from a location other than your own. People of other repressed societies often resort to using a VPN to learn about atrocities in their own country/state/area. For instance, people in China have their search results filtered by google, to help the people in power keep their citizens ignorant of what the rest of the world knows about rights abuses. The Chinese citizens that want to be informed often use a VPN service to reroute their requests through another country so the results are no longer filtered.
3 CatBernd 2015-06-12
I don't understand how this question could go unanswered for so long. It was a massive thing, surely there are loads of avenues of attack to confirm/refute it? I mean it was an entire school. They'd have students, teachers, and faculty, they'd be registered in various places, they'd have a history in the local news, etc., etc.. Has anyone collected any of that?
3 ohhwerd 2015-06-12
What I never understood was why they locked the building up for a while, then just demolished it.
Every other school where there has been a shooting, was later re-opened and reused, yet this one was sealed off.
I never believed this story to be true.
and happy then sad dad, his acting was shitty
3 [deleted] 2015-06-12
Sorry you came to the dark side. Plato said something like :
'Those who are able to see beyond the shadows of our culture will never be believed, much less understood by the masses'
What got me to thinking Sandy Hook was a domestic propaganda exercise was the absolute nonsense in pictures of the aftermath of the Boston Bombing.
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/04/pictures-that-prove-double-amputee-was-an-actor-at-boston-bombings-2626684.html
This guy clearly was already an amputee with prosthesis on. A trauma doctor looking at these photos will come to the same conclusion:
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/04/pictures-that-prove-double-amputee-was-an-actor-at-boston-bombings-2626684.html
And what happened the day before Sandy Hook? The CIA torture report came out.
2 effinmike12 2015-06-12
I am not having any trouble with broken links. There is plenty of info to be had. Regarding clips, Youtube gave me a "warning" screen because of the subject matter, but that is about it.
sandy hook search results in this sub
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3 effinmike12 2015-06-12
I don't know about 'better', but you will probably have a hard time outside of /r/conspiracy. I imagine that other subs may find questions of authenticity to be offensive or in violation of sub rules. My suggestion is to start in /r/conspiracy and work your way out. I don't know how familiar you are with this sub, but we are typically not fans of Alex Jones. GL!
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1 gabeh007 2015-06-12
Yes agreed. Your logic is sound.
3 Ambiguously_Ironic 2015-06-12
You're shadowbanned my friend. I've approved this comment.
2 Kimchidiary 2015-06-12
Im not sue why you feel alone when it's openly expressed here by some members that they don't believe the official story of Sandy Hook. Personally I'm not sure why anyone's suprised about a clinch down on info in the USA. Dead kids might lead to gun control. God forbid.
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2 Kimchidiary 2015-06-12
Well there's quite a few people here that are into Sandy Hook. Hopefully you won't feel that way anymore.
2 [deleted] 2015-06-12
Terrific post. I wonder if using other search engines would have the same results
1 JimmyHavok 2015-06-12
Maybe you should go to Sandy Hook and have that discussion.
1 larrickson34 2015-06-12
There are clearly a lot of reasons to question it so I say kudos to you for having the courage to do so. This music video for a song called "GUN CONTROL" highlights the hypocrisy surrounding this issue and features a few of the Sandy Hook "players": https://youtu.be/XqbZSl3PbXk
0 metal_up_your_ass 2015-06-12
am I too conspiratorial ??? every time i see one of these "hey r/conspiracy, can you tell me stuff about stuff" posts all i picture is 2 people in TPTB headquarters saying "johnson, how much is reddit on to us these days?" "no sure, Jim, time to pose as a newb and ask r/conspiracy for a tutorial..."
-1 brilliance2spare 2015-06-12
Please tell me you're kidding about being a teacher. Please.
2 axolotl_peyotl 2015-06-12
You've been shadowbanned, sorry.
-1 _k_digi 2015-06-12
That's why Reddit is dead the only reason I'm typing here is because V O A T.co is not up .
It will be much harder to censor there , you could go into a lot of detail but generally as a rule.
" If they bulldoze it , it's dodgy"
It's a pretty good rule of thumb.
-1 downvotes____really 2015-06-12
You're afraid to post this in the biggest sandy hook conspiracy circlejerk on the internet? SO BRAVE
-2 OneWayFuck 2015-06-12
As someone from CT 10minutes away from the tragedy there is no doubt in my mind that it happened. Everyone in this community knows someone who was there or was directly effected by what happened. It's easy to sit behind your computer half way across the country and cry hoax but I dare anyone of you to come here and say that. I also find it humorous that all the talking points of this "conspiracy" are some of the weakest I have seen yet.
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1 OneWayFuck 2015-06-12
If you really do pm me. I can give you my own personal narrative of what happened. Obviously I am nobody or a credible source but can give you the view point of a local.
-12 clash70x7 2015-06-12
Sandy hook happened. Innocent children were murdered. And it makes me sick thinking about those young kids' last moments. There is no conspiracy.
-13 eleet22 2015-06-12
I'm smelling the NRA
7 WideAwakeNWO 2015-06-12
lol what a ridiculous thing to say. Never once has OP brought up a single thing about guns.
-14 fite_the_pauer 2015-06-12
If broken links are the sign of a conspiracy to you, then you're probably hopeless. But I'll give you a shot. What would you like to know?
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-2 fite_the_pauer 2015-06-12
What would you like to know?
-16 FortHouston 2015-06-12
Politely, none of my children's teachers will let them use Reddit as a source for any school work.
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5 pauly_pants 2015-06-12
Unfortunately, Reddit no longer adheres to that standard since coming under new management. They are attempting to monetize the site which will involve sanitizing certain visible elements that advertisers don't want to be involved with.
2 _datjedi_ 2015-06-12
good try Ellen
-9 FortHouston 2015-06-12
I did not state or imply that. Also, the site does not make that promise about links.
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-8 FortHouston 2015-06-12
There is no guarantee that users on this site link to good, uncensored information. Also, users on this site are not magical and cannot guarantee their linked source will not go down for technical or funding reasons.
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8 rurootin4pootin 2015-06-12
Certainly not /u/FortHouston
-10 FortHouston 2015-06-12
A person's belief does not mean it is good and real. After all, the folks with Westboro Baptist Church believe they are good and real even though they are nothing more than trolls.
In college, they taught me to use critical reading and deductive reasoning to evaluate multiple sources for anything.
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-11 FortHouston 2015-06-12
Just because news stories do not parrot the Sandy Hook hoax claims does not mean it is censored about the matter. Maybe those hoax claims are not true.
That is some nice projection.
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0 FortHouston 2015-06-12
Your follow-up question indicates you may not understand the concept.
That question should be directed to yourself because you specifically shilled a false dilemma about an alleged conspiracy over broken links about Sandy Hook in your initial post.
Claiming a conspiracy exists just because links are broken or missing is a clear agenda.
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4 Sabremesh 2015-06-12
FortHouston is a disruptor. He has latched onto you in order to waste your time and deter you from looking further into Sandy Hook.
People with an open mind can see that there there is something terribly wrong the with official Sandy Hook "disturbed teenager school shooting" narrative. Your difficult task is now to get as close to the truth as you can without letting the myriad disruptors and disinfo merchants putting you off the scent.
This is a highly contoversial and oft-brigaded subject on reddit. A subreddit dedicated to Sandy Hook was banned some time ago, but you may already know about that...
Searching reddit for links is not practical - the site is deliberately set up with the world's worst search engine.
In my opinion, a couple of good sites with multiple Sandy Hook stories are:
http://www.insanemedia.net/
http://memoryholeblog.com/2015/06/04/dhs-set-up-everyone-must-check-in-sign-newtowns-llodra/
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3 Sabremesh 2015-06-12
It was banned for doxxing, supposedly (revealing information about individuals). This may have been done deliberately, to discredit Sandy Hook conspiracy researchers.
Right from the beginning, the official story was riddled with inconsistencies. The fact that two "shooters" were initially identified (one of them apprehended alive), called Ryan and Adam Lanza, then just Ryan, then just Adam, got everybody very suspicious. Then the creepy Gene Rosen with his conflicting and frankly unbelievable stories...
For the first couple of months I thought Sandy Hook was a genuine atrocity, with Adam Lanza fitted up as a patsy. But after having spent hundreds of hours looking into Sandy Hook, I no longer think that - the truth is very much weirder, but you need to find as many sources as you before you make up your own mind.
1 _datjedi_ 2015-06-12
you do realize that reddit did not host every single link right?
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-13 FortHouston 2015-06-12
However, there are countless news reports that are not based on obvious speculation like posts on this site.
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4 rurootin4pootin 2015-06-12
Not really, he is kinda obvious.
-16 toolymegapoopoo 2015-06-12
I hope to god you never teach my kids or anyone they'll ever come in contact with...ever.
10 untumulted 2015-06-12
OP, teach mine to question. Like, why did toolymegapoopoo raise their kids to be fools?
-4 toolymegapoopoo 2015-06-12
A Sandy Hook truther calling my kids fools. That's rich.
3 muertex 2015-06-12
I want my kids fully indoctrinated to never question "authority."
2 untumulted 2015-06-12
I didn't call your kids fools. That would be terrible. Teaching your kids not to ask questions will make them fools. Which is bad for all of us.
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5 DronePuppet 2015-06-12
That above reaction is the "single key" why you want to continue your research. They attack your emotions trying to divert your mind..
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1 DronePuppet 2015-06-12
You'll come to realize its a one way system.
Real life example. The so called "protectors in government" can deem anyone with what they "label" as a cult or "militia" (hence: Waco, William Cooper and more) and sending the troops to take them out. But these same governing people run and operate their cults or what they label as "secret society".
God forbid you can have your own secret society!
1 toolymegapoopoo 2015-06-12
You are not questioning shit. Maybe homosexuality causes cancer. I don't know. I'm not a scientist. I'm just questioning.
1 gabeh007 2015-06-12
Yes agreed. Your logic is sound.
35 untumulted 2015-06-12
As a parent, I can't imagine one accepting not seeing their kid if this happened. I'd feel guilty and want to know the full extent of my guilt.
12 City_Wok 2015-06-12
Do you have any citation for this?
-34 fite_the_pauer 2015-06-12
Lie.
But probably even dumber than that is the combination of "the parents should have been hysterical" with "they didn't get to see their children."
So, the parents are in on it, but they aren't?
21 WhiskeyGoSlow 2015-06-12
After posting the links, I figure you're probably kidding me. The fakery is explicit in every video/photograph. Not to knock your 'research' or anything... In case you're serious, here you go:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOpMYz7bjuI http://deepinsidetherabbithole.com/The_Boston_Bombing_Hoax.html
1 _datjedi_ 2015-06-12
you do realize that reddit did not host every single link right?
4 draaaaaaaak 2015-06-12
Wouldn't it make sense to ban auto-downvote bots (upvote bots too I guess)? Just sayin..
1 rurootin4pootin 2015-06-12
I dont have the time to eli5 it but here are a couple things to ponder.
Find the video of the finish line site watch the flags as the "blast" aka smokebomb goes off. Now tell me if that wind velocity could tear the top off a rice pudding let alone arms and legs.
Find the relevant photos of casual-hoody-sunglasses-anon-guy and watch his actions from the first photo you find. Which should be one of him crouching against the wall near the site before the bang.
5 rurootin4pootin 2015-06-12
Here is a short 1 hour primer for the lazy or "too busy".
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9yMdynxBDVQ
1 shoziku 2015-06-12
I would hope so, if the benefits outweighed the penalty for talking.
1 KnightBeforeTomorrow 2015-06-12
How was this thread and so many comments deleted? I have a list of links that still work I wanted to put up but the post was already gone.
1 cyanoside 2015-06-12
By 99% I assume you mean "the vast majority."
So, even in cases where there is a dead child, they would ask that someone close to the victim confirm the identification?
1 Apoplectic1 2015-06-12
It's the best form of ensuring that the dead body you found is who you think it may be. Would you be alright with not being 100% sure in announcing a child dead?
1 burningempires 2015-06-12
I certainly apologize if you do not fall into that camp!
2 your-nuts-sir 2015-06-12
He needed to do actual real reporting early on in order to impress the Dewish cabal that he married into. /s/t