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How about the women yelling foe help from inside El Duce's? And Allen Wrench?

did someone say Augustus Owsley Stanley III?

http://hipsterracist.wordpress.com/2014/05/18/flogging-miley-5/

Holy shit. Is there any way you can upload the audio to mega.co.nz or mediafire.com etc. then send me a link please?

Please give me a tldr someone

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That wasn't a tldr..

For me it was.

tldr: Courtney Love CIA affiliate and Cobain killing collaborator.

And why exactly?

tldr: He wanted out of music, was going to leave the band. He was worth more dead than alive.

Also, he was talking about divorcing Courtney and they had a prenup so she would get very little.

Fair enough. I take it Courtney owns the rights to his music?

Thanks

I remember reading the book Who Killed Kurt Cobain when I was 13 and being pretty thoroughly convinced that he was suicided. The amount of heroin in his blood at the time of suicide was well over the lethal dose, which the book said meant he could not have physically held the shotgun to his mouth. The shotgun did not have any of his prints on it.

The suicide letter appears to have the last few lines added by someone else, and they are the only lines that mention suicide. Up until that, it reads as a letter that he is quitting the band, and there was apparently a bunch of evidence he was planning to quit Nirvana and divorce Courtney. I remember there was evidence of Courtney learning of this and trying to hire a hitman. Anyways, I read this over ten years ago so I'm fuzzy but it's an interesting story. I had never heard of the MK ULTRA connection with Courtney, that's for sure.

On that note, I highly suggest looking into Dave McGowan and checking out Jan Irvin's site as well for more on the MK ULTRA connection to pop music. Fucked up times we live in brothers!

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What does the video show exactly? Didn't quite understand

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Cool, thanks. I still don't really understand what they were doing with photoshop there, it looked like they were just copying the last four lines, what were they trying to show?

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If true, Courtney must have been pretty stupid to have just left that damning evidence for her to find in her backpack, for a full week.

Let me review the evidence.... Yes, I have concluded that Courtney Love is pretty stupid. Thanks for the video, I saved it, and for the explanation. I'm interested in the MKULTRA connection, do you think you could summarize what the conversation you linked is implying regarding that?

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A really smart Russian guy I know in Peru who does a lot of research told me two years ago that almost all our culture is manufactured and pushed as mind control propaganda. He mentioned Tavistock institute. At that time, I didn't believe it was possible, but now I'm beginning to see how it is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Ewen_Cameron#Project_MKUltra

Cameron had been hoping to correct schizophrenia by erasing existing memories and reprogramming the psyche. He commuted from Albany to Montreal every week to work at McGill's Allan Memorial Institute and was paid $69,000 from 1957 to 1964 to carry out MKUltra experiments there. In addition to LSD, he experimented with various paralytic drugs and electroconvulsive therapy at thirty to forty times the normal power.[citation needed] His "driving" experiments consisted of putting a subject into a drug-induced coma for weeks at a time (up to three months in one case) while playing tape loops of noise or simple statements. These experiments were typically carried out on patients who had entered the institute for minor problems such as anxiety disorders and postpartum depression; many suffered permanent debilitation after these treatments

Jesus fucking christ. Can you imagine going into some Montreal hospital for anxiety, and being put into a drug induced LSD coma for three months? What the fuck is WRONG with these people

I asked a Psychiatrist about this guy and he knew who I was talking about without having to look him up. He described his work as "controversial". Dr Cameron was, I believe, the head of the Canadian Psychiatric Association and the World Psychiatric Association and I think those bodies are the leading bodies of those fields to this day.

Interesting and possibly relevent and also underexamined stuff.

The head ??? Are you serious?

What is wrong with our world.... It's like there is something on earth that isn't human, I swear to God, just pulling the strings and fucking with us with this kind of thing. You can barely imagine more evil shit than this, and yet, we hear nothing about it. I'm so tired of all this.

Oh yes, his work is very.... controversial scratches chin and hems and haws. Fuck everything.

I sincerely wish you luck in keeping good morale, and having positive experiences despite the atrocities, internet person

Thanks buddy, for real. Sometimes it's too much. I have trouble distancing at times. Love and light from Canada.

And the American, and numerous other smaller ones.

Yep, and Dr. Cameron was quite literally the psychiatrist of his day - the single most powerful and influential one on the planet. He was the head of the Canadian, American, and World Psychiatric Associations as well as numerous others during the 50's and 60's.

Thanks for telling me this stuff guys, I had heard roughly about the McGill experiments but had no idea they were this terrible or done by someone so prestigious. Really unbeleivable that someone could do something, after having been trained in to be a healer. Shows the current terrible inversion of our world.

Heroin tolerance scales. What is a lethal dose to one person may not even make an addict drowsy.

Yeah I think in his blood was found like 4x the lethal dose or something just absolutely massive though

But he had three times the lethal dose for an addict. Over 14 times the lethal dose for a non user.

What I'm saying is it scales upwards. One addicts tolerance is totally different than another. As long as you had the money it can just keep going up and up. If you keep using more and more your body adapts to more and more and with rock star money I imagine his was pretty damn high. There were rumors in Seattle that he cooked his dope in a fondue pot and I've heard of someone who claimed to see it. Doubt it was true but regardless, it keeps getting higher there isn't really a designated lethal dose that covers everyone. I've watched an everyday user fall out and have to be revived from a .1 which wouldn't normally kill a first timer and I've seen someone do a 3.5g shot and not even pass out. Its funny that way.

To be honest I have always defended Courtney because the other theories never made sense. This however...this does. I came up with something myself that was similar. This makes a lot more sense.

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I was thinking that Kurt would have been a huge target for assignation. You can't have a world famous band named nirvana because then that is what the people will seek. I though it could be possible Courtney was bought off and maybe the rest of Nirvana too.

legend making is real, you'd be FLABBERGASTED if you knew the truth about the so called celebrtiy "deaths"

enlighten.

If the brand name would be worth more DEAD to the company that owns it than alive then they kill off said brand name and make the money..

Immortalize the brand as a legend and sell merch forever.

Could you give some other examples?

Michael Jackson

Marilyn Monroe.

Buddy Holly, Elvis, Jimi Hendrix

Jim Morrison. John Lennon.

Surely Tupac, Hendirx and Kurt Cobain were worth A LOT more alive than dead. They were young and at the top of their careers. Sure, they released a few albums of unreleased material after these artists died but Kurt and Tupac would still be alive today putting out new material. Hendrix was also only in his 20s. It isn't like he was at the end of his rope and the only way for him to be profitable was to die. He had decades of music making ahead of him.

No that is where you are wrong, it is actually the opposite...

The brand needs to die at the height of its popularity for full on legend status. This ensures maximum fame and fortune for said brand.

Ok... And how do you suppose the Nirvana brand is worth more now? There is no Nirvana. How is that worth more? Instead of a new album every year or so for the last 20 years you got a handful of albums and a couple of documentaries. You can't actually think that is worth more to anyone than worldwide tours and fresh material being released. Concert tours is where all the money is made. There have been none since Kurt died. Nirvana fans just moved over to listening to Pearl Jam who is still around and still making a shit ton of money. They also moved on to the Foo Fighters who are still around and still making a shit ton of money. Much much more than Nirvana.

false because the Nirvana of that timeline is corny, hackneyed and done to death and the brand has no value anyways from overexposure. The fad would have died and "killing" him preserves the brand at LEGEND STATUS giving you this ILLUSION that all this money would be made off them if they were still going....

This very scenario has been played out countless times with other contracted talent and the brands they are operating under.

You don't seriously believe that the talent would be allowed full say over such lucrative bargaining power do you?

What the hell does "legend" status matter? That isn't making anyone money. Dave Grohl was the drummer for Nirvana and he's singing for the Foo Fighters now which is one of the most successful bands on the planet. That could still be Nirvana if they existed. Pearl Jam was also from the grunge era.. They didn't die out. They still put out albums and make millions every year. You're trying to make Kurt's death into a giant record label conspiracy when it simply doesn't make sense and to do that you have to make up the idea that Kurt is somehow worth more money to people now.

His case is one of many, I'm sure "Kurt" is doing well in his present endeavors and still making sick coin. Giant record label conspiracy?

No. more Like mutually beneficial exit strategy for both parties.... I appreciate you taking the time to convey your gut instincts. If I wasn't so sure of the validity of this information then maybe you'd be able to persuade me to believe that nothing is afoot.

I'm not dismissing your assertion out of hand. I do believe that deaths can be faked so people "disappear" and reinvent themselves. Certainly, the family members of the Challenger explosion would give one pause, and there is much talk in the deeper levels of the conspiracy crowd of "off-world" civilizations and the like that, while I don't presently believe, have not completely written off, either -- it's clear that govt. commandeered Nick Tesla's technology ideas, and have likely leapt from his original work into things far deeper.

All that being said: If Cobain and Nirvana were a creation -- which I think they were -- of the intelligence community, but the guy was really a junkie and involved with that totally fucked up chick, is it more likely he got offed or more likely they just faked it and put it elsewhere? Isn't it EASIER to just kill him? Unless, of course, they don't mind the extra work, they just like fucking with us. Which is, of course, entirely possible.

What you say fascinated me, and I don't dismiss it out of hand. But it seems like the more difficult of two scenarios and I don't see their upside, particularly when we're talking about a heroin addict with bipolar issues who was also likely raised in a Luciferian situation.

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Interesting. But you think Kurt Cobain is still alive? How does that work? Can you explain further? I'm genuinely curious. It seems odd that you toss out that claim, somebody says it's bullshit, you dismiss them for being closed minded. I then offer the Challenger/Off-World/Tesla stuff to say I've got an open mind about those things and your thing too, and you dismiss me right off as a red herring.

I'm not necessarily saying I believe those things, just that I've seen stuff that gives me pause. You took it entirely the opposite way. But that's okay. Sorry to have offended you.

Oh Jesus and now you are going to pretend to have inside information to dodge what I'm saying? You are trying to say that Kurt isn't even dead? How does this sub get a bad reputation for people just spouting bullshit?

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I entertain them and then I ask myself "does this make sense? How could this make sense?" and if it doesn't make sense I am willing to say "well this surely isn't the case... now let me spend a little time looking at more realistic options." Because I am not easily fooled by bullshit doesn't mean it's impossible for me to think about it. It just means I'm not an idiot. I could come out with the "Kurt Cobain was actually an alien" theory and if you were to spend a few years researching that you would be an idiot for not seeing how ridiculous the idea is. For Kurt to fake his death you'd have to have EMTs, Police, Family and friends who are all in on it and never said a word to this day. That is very unlikely.

Comparing the meaningful to the meaningless is another sign of immaturity. Have a nice time.

How the hell do you distinguish the two if you don't compare? How do you know the "Kurt is an alien theory" isn't real?

as mad as all this sounds the more ridiculous part is where she uses 1000 hits of acid to destroy the music scene in the uk - someone that was born in 1964, someone so young compared to the british drug scene she could have listened to Sgt Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band and The Piper at the Gates of Dawn as a three year old...

A thousand hits of acid would barely cause a ripple on the stones tour-bus, let alone in the dublin music scene! the biggest drama it'd cause is hippy sound engineers and session musicians panicking they've not got enough!

I mean you get similar conspiracy stories relating to amy whinehouse, like omg she managed to get hooked on smack in the camden music scene?! sorry but Kurt developing drug dependencies in Seattle's sub-culture and then not being able to deal with the media pressure is not something that's the least bit shocking, i mean look how he identified with Frances Farmer and similar characters - 'I miss the comfort in being sad' a reference to his common theme of feeling lobotomised and defective, robbed of his humanity and forever set of a path of dissociated suffering -this is an incredibly common sentiment for people who obsess over suicide.

I'm so lonely, but that's okay, I shaved my head ...
And I'm not sad
And just maybe I'm to blame for all I've heard ...
But I'm not sure
I'm so excited, I can't wait to meet you there ...
But I don't care
I'm so horny, but that's okay ...
My will is good

These are the lyrics of an incredibly intelligent and tender person's self reflection through the lens of serious self-hatred and depression, he's using his considerable poetic skill to present the rolling waves of hopelessness and dislocation he feels - certainly when put in the context of his other music we simply can't help but see the same themes running through his work.

One of the last things he did was put together a performance of acoustic songs the legendary MTV Unplugged album in which pretty much every song contains haunting allusions to death and suicide - about a girl and come as you are presenting a forward arc possibly symbolic of his early life, certainly of naivety, then jesus don't want me for a sun beam and man who sold the world illustrate the emotional landscape of feeling unwanted and consequently learning not to want [the same symbolic motif used at the end of come as you are when he repeats the refrain 'i don't have a gun'] - this is a standard character development arc as seen in many of the great poetic works Kurt loved, as he said of his near obsessional love of Patrick Suskind’s Perfume he kept rereading it “Cause I’m a hypochondriac (and) it just affects me–makes me want to cut off my nose.” - certainly he loved the way literature and music could tell an emotional story and enjoyed the process of a developing story-arc.

Pennyroyal tea about how 'i'm a liar and theif, i'm anaemic royal royal tea...' a very clear thematic continuation of the man who sold the world and it's affects on his soul 'steal the life that's inside of me...' which leads to the sublime affirmation of his dislocation and an acceptance of is post-human experience in 'dumb' which leads somewhat neatly into what could be considered the counter-point of the album as it changes up to 'polly' a song about emotional distress and emptiness with an almost exactly opposite energy to dumb, the one being a passive acceptance of bliss the other a passive acceptance of hell... Curt even mentions this similarity in a joke with the audience 'the reason we didn't want to play these songs back to back is they're exactly the same song...' they have very similar music structure and theme 'let me take a ride, hurt yourself..' contrasts so strongly with 'i think i'm dumb, maybe just happy' and it's a truly poetic and beautiful juxtapose of the two even but opposite sides of his perspective on himself, a dislocated and biploar image of the human condition and the post or fractured-human condition which he identified with.

We then enter the classic second half of the arc, generally in literature similar events happen at similar distances from the arc or counterpoint, thus 'on a plain' and be compared and contrasted to 'man who sold the world' and unsurprisingly we seen a strong link, one about the man who was selling the world [i.e. himself] now after the moment of shift we see the character post-sell out, we see the man who now loves himself more than the world..

The next song jumps back to a reference to his childhood, 'underneath the bridge topp has sprung a leak..' this is a direct refference to his traumatic upbringing when his parents kicked him out of home to try and 'help' him get over his mental problems - something courney would latter talk about in regards to his suicide note calling the tough love concepts of the 80s bullshit. 'something in the way.... mmmm... hmmm....' draws images of the character represented in the album's emotional blocks, he's sold the world but there's something in the way to him really feeling good - topp has sprung a leak, he simply can't find the joy he was expecting to when he sold out everthing and it's too late because the deal is done...

Interestingly the aside between 'something in the way' and Plateau talks about a Christian kids show and he points out how unchristian it was for the character to wish harm upon sinners... how strikingly apropos.

the three meatpuppets songs then come, Plateau 'nothing on the top but a bucket and a mop and an illustrated book about birds, see a lot from up there but don't worry, who needs actions when you've got words...' he's risen to this magnificent plateau we say on a plain and dumb, yet it's just if not more so empty and desolate than any other point his in his life... 'i don't have to think, i only have to do it....' 'oh, me' yet there is continuation from this dislocated position 'but that's old news...' there's always more 'i can not see the end of me, formulate infinity inside of me...' that feeling that this dislocation and angst will only ever increase and expand... an almost blissful hopelessness.

Lake of fire starts with the line 'where do bad folks go when they die?' and tells the story of a woman bit by a rapid dog and dead before her time, of course it's easy to transpose one arc onto the other and see the rabid dog as a metaphor for that dislocativie angst which set the protagonist on a path to destruction - that classic faustian decline...

The final nirvana track comes now, all apologies - a song didicated to Francis Bean and Coutney, 'what else should i be but all apologies, what else should i say but everyone is gay, what else should i write i don't have the right, What else should I be All apologies...' containing lines like 'Everything is my fault, I'll take all the blame' which frankly couldn't be more akin to a suicide letter, which is sort of the point of the song originally he's talking about his ''soul death' with references to his youthful problems and how he realises he's responsible for his issues and they've already killed him but it's kinda too late, or too hate...

the final song is a traditional melancholy folk song, leadbellys version of where did you sleep last night, a folk song decended from 'the longest train' - this song is about a woman who doesn't know why her husbands away, in the original she witnesses a long train passing which lets her know he must be dead.. in this version the dichotomy is between the woman asking where he slept and getting the answer 'in the pines...' it's ostensibly the story of a man who's head was found in a driving wheel, but as a final note of confused and angry anguish it finishes the tale perfectly.

So yeah, curt was obsessed with suicide and saw it as inevitable for him, most of his career and life seems to suggest this - it's sad but he's certainly not the first genius to follow that route.

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dang, this is really weak but i just spent close to an hour writing a detailed response only to lose it! don't have time or inclination to write it all over again but i'll try to make some points.

Firstly all authors and poets shrug off the dumb question 'what's your music about' in the same way scientists all shrug off 'why do magnets attract each other' they're dumb questions, writing is an expression of the self and reflection of our internal and external biases - you can keep going back and saying 'why did you say that' but whatevers said just opens up another question 'well what do you mean by that?' and eventually just as with magnets we need to get to the point where we say 'look just shut up already, magnets is magnets - it's just all just magic!' or 'words is words, it's just how i feel at the time i write it!' because of course it is, kurt isn't some god that can just step outside himself and say 'oh yes, i do this because of a complex emotional trauma...' what we see is the effects of that trauma upon his perception and expression.

A person is somewhat like a musical effects rack, we've each got some inputs and from these we suck up the culture and reality we experience to be edited and shaped by our brain before being output through whatever means - we don't need to intend to express something, everything we do is automatically an expression of our self.

As for Kurt and Courtney, they came from different places and had different mentalities for sure - the seattle grunge scene and la punk scene that bore them couldn't have been more different yet also intrinsicly similar, that pop-rock industry they ended up in simply highlighted their differences and drove them ever more apart - as is so often the case people coming from different places pass through the same spot and fall in love only to drift apart again and never again their souls to meet...

I think many people kinda see Kurt as representing the most tender and sweet side of the same coin upon which Courtney represents all that is gross and foul - Kurt suffered a brutal childhood as did Courtney and he came out an angle, she a devil; this of course isn't even close to reality but it's a pretty image and us 'umans love a pretty image... I think maybe that's what makes the murder story so compelling, like it just stands to reason that of course the evil one killed the good one, iike cane and able, rite? except that's not what happened then either... Kurt lived in an idealised fantasy world, so did Courtney - so do most people actually, in this case as is so common Kurt couldn't live up to fantasy and it caused him a lot of pain, he saw himself becoming all the things that'd caused him to be like this and decided his only option was to escape the cycle -- it's easy to only pay attention to the first part of his letter, the more famous section to his fans, to boddah, and to say he only intended to quit Nirvana but that isn't true, he was quitting the dream, the ideal, that's why he mentioned Freddy Mercury -he'd lost that energy, that one hope he had of making it to a point he could be a rockstar but not for the money or fame, he wanted that emotional strength which characters like Freddy seemed to present but as he'd risen through life it became impossible to envision this, he lost that one last hope and he lost everything...

'I have it good, very good, and I'm grateful, but since the age of seven, I've become hateful towards all humans in general. Only because it seems so easy for people to get along that have empathy. Empathy! Only because I love and feel sorry for people too much I guess.'

That jesus condition he started to associate with, that suffering person who took on the burden of the world for love alone - he saw himself as becoming the continuation of that machine which had made him,

' I can't stand the thought of Frances becoming the miserable, self-destructive, death rocker that I've become.'

and it wasn't just Francis, it was everyone - he couldn't live as a fraud, he couldn't pretend everything was fine and lead more hapless youths into the same convoluted deathtrap he'd been suckered into...

as for Curt having a huge tolerance to heroin, yeah, that's what generally happens to junkies - just read any autobiography of a famous junkie and you'll hear them talking about the heroic sessions they used to partake in, despite what some people like to claim Kurts blood morphine level was not impossibly high - take this study from Australia, The median blood morphine concentration of cases was 0.39mg/l (range 0.05-4.5mg/l) - there were people with four times the level Kurt had. And just as Janis Joplin managed to go buy cigarettes before falling into a coma so he could have taken a few moments to prepare himself and blow his brains out, combined suicide methods is very common.

So yeah, those articles you post have a lot of words and some bold statements but none of it really makes sense or fits together - the redacted police report simply says that someone, presumibly Love phoned the police worried about kurt, however when kurt was spoken to he claimed to be fine -- of course he did, he was speaking to the police - everyone pretends to be fine when dealing with an authority figure, 'me officer? causing a disturbance? no, of course not i'm in perfectly sound mind and should be allowed to carry on with my business....' it's very likely though that curt was having some form of bad mood and locked himself in the room he keeps his guns after mentioning suicide - this is the sort of thing depressed people do.

I mean honestly the evidence boils down to 'dude was acting a bit crazy and irrational, had some issues in his life, seemed kinda lost.' and the conclusion being drawn is 'yeah that's not normal, therefore it can't be true he killed himself and actually there must be a complex conspiracy where a junky of questionable musical talent and fading looks somehow is in charge of the police and media...'

sorry but there really is nothing in these theories, Tom Grant especially relies on nothing but the most absurdly easy to explain mysteries - someone planning to commit suicide generally does not mention this fact to friends or on official documentation, rather they say something which seems totally believable like 'home protection'. Finding someone that brought a gun shortly prior or blowing their head off with it and saying 'oh they told people it was just a safety precaution' is not a smoking gun, it's a sign you're clutching at straws desperate to make a name for yourself and get hits on your shitty websites...

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Would you care to do a RADIO INTERVIEW on the subject? When would you be available to set aside 2 1/2 hours for prep & live air? i imagine you also SHOUT certain POWER words in real LIFE too?

geeze i really don't think i have two and half hours to set aside at the moment but i would love to talk about the music industry and conspiracies within it - what youtube channel does this radio station broudcast from?

who has attempted to dilute & slide this thread

you're confused, you probably haven't realised that reddit is not a standard forum yet - it's something better, a regular forum has one long stream of argument but reddit has many, this means you make a statement and someone can come and talk about an aspect of it which starts up a thread which can then split again in other areas - here i wanted to talk about the absurd argument often made that kurt didn't want to kill himself and point out that it's pretty darn obvious he did.

at no point have i said this is all i'll talk about or the only things that are important however it is one thing which is very important - why you're not willing to touch it is anyones guess, personally i assume it's because it kinda does ruin your theory.

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On what information would you make such an assumption?

it was a joke, a joke about how your bombastic style of TALKING which includes CAPITALISATION and SHOUTING is like lowgrade youtube.

Are you too busy moderating 45 subs?

yes, well no, actually i barely moderate at all i just chat to friends in mod mail and help run micro-communities i'm a member of. but what is your point? i mod subs thus i have to do any radio interview someone invites me to do?

Your refer to Kurt as curt.

and you said your instead of you - mistakes happen, curt is the more common spelling among people i know, so what?

Assuming I am new to Reddit?

no, assuming you didn't understand something because you demonstrated a lack of understanding of it, and not reddit but a single aspect of reddit.

Funny that you are busier than the gentleman who wrote the book & the gentleman who conducted the interview.

no, not really - we're just doing different things, i'm not invested in this i'm not set to make any money and frankly it doesn't really affect me either way -- the fact i'd have to schedule time to do a three and a half hour interview with you does not somehow mean courtney killed kurt.

None of this is "my theory".

obviously i mean that in terms of the theory you are trying to prove to me via this argument.

I noticed you left out Tabitha Soren the photographer? i kinda included her in my point about the what is the point of any of these people being involved in any of this - they're inconsequential, why did you pick up on me failing to copy a name but not answer any of the points i raise?

Thank you. This thread is about the censorship of a RADIO INTERVIEW.

then why did you previously post loads of stuff trying to prove courtney killed kurt? you seem desperate to control the conversation and only allow things which agree with you, one moment i'm not talking about enough the next i'm talking about too much - you demanded i address the question of police evidence and i did, then you totally ignored all that and pretended i was some terrible agent of the music industry working with the CIA to introduce heroin to a nation that's fought wars to protect their opium industry...

I mean you talk about heroin being used to put down the socialist revolution yet you seem to be ignoring the fact even Marx's most famous quote that 'religion is the opium of the people' contains a reference to the opium craze among intellectuals and artists...

Please further demonstrate the audacity of your superiority.

if you're so superior then prove it by rising above easy insults and weak arguments against my character or writing style and instead address the points i have raised in your own words with simple and compelling arguments. I mean surely you can do that?

This guys obviously an idiot and pussy to delete is account. You brought reason, logic, and anecdotal proof to the table. A+ in my book

Fucking thread killer

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I think he conveys as strong an opinion as your CIA government assimilation plot does

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According to Tom grant? Yes. I've heard all about this even saw when it was originally first aired on unsolved mysteries 20 years ago. You're but hurt for some reason because somebody disagrees with you?

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Ok. The CIA sided Mk ultra to turn cities into drug invested areas by mulling Courtney love with acid, heroin and other narcotics from country to country, to eventually turn Kurts leftists view while orchestrating a CIA hit. Sounds reasonable as opposed to his constant views of depression articulated through his lyrics and shiitakes by drug use

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I'm agreeing. So who did the hit? Delta, ST6, covert CIA field operator? What's your opinion

Textbook Topic Dilution & Forum Slide technique.

yes and pretending everyone who disagrees with you is some form of shill or decepticon is textbook disinfo agent too.

I presented a simple strand of argument, if you can't face that argument then fine but pretending i presenting the wrong argument is silly. Kurt, as anyone thats listened to his music could tell you, was very much depressed and quite clearly somewhat obsessed by suicide - for a character like tom grant to simply wave his hand and say 'nah, kurt loved life silly!' isn't just silly it's absolutely absurd.

I am not some evil agent of a system out to oppress you, i do work in the music industry though so maybe in your mind that does make me an agent? just like Kurt Loder rite? and Courtney Love...

i mean honestly what the hell do you think is the big plan here? how many of us are working on this secret project? Drugs and art have gone together though out history, the stones didn't invent getting high, heck even the Beatles didn't invent getting high - psychadelics have been used for thousands of years, in recent history the drug culture and artist culture got combined into a concept of bonhom living popular in the victorian era and established into the hippy, beat and other counter-culture movements of the last century through to the scenes of today.. There was no need for the CIA to introduce drugs to Britain via Courtney love, it'd be like smuggling sand to the sahara.

As for where the drugs come from, they're not hard to make - heroin of course is largely smuggled along the hippy trails up until the 80s when it corporate drug smuggling started through bonded warehouses, by the start of this century synthetic Chinese heroin was flooding the markets smuggled in via consumer electronics...

Drugs aren't some new invention, europe has loved drugs and music since at least the celtic era - if you're trying to suggest that america invented music and drugs then you're as mad as a box of frogs. Sure LSD is a fairly new invention and MDMA too, but Curt was a junkie addicted to one of the oldest known psychoactive compounds on the planet - a drug so completely synonymous with the tortured artist and pained heart it's impossible to point to a time when this wasn't so, i mean when the London scene started it was already an established trope;

‘Not poppy, nor mandragore,
Nor all the drowsy syrups of the world,
Shall ever medicine thee to that sweet sleep,
Which thou ow’dst yesterday.’

did the CIA get to Shakespeare too?

and seriously, you think that drugs culture has ruined the left wing protest movement? most of it only exists because of the drug culture - i mean fuck without the zines and nights organised by hopped-up-hippies you'd have nothing but mainstream authoritarian culture's voice - we'd all be souless disney robots.

As someone new to this controversy, let me ask the most blunt stupid question possible:

How or why is this at all important?

Our society has grown and/or been shaped to idolise and worship a pantheon of celebrity, billions of people copy their fashion and lifestyles, and follow their ideas to the letter. They are often more influential than writers and philosophers, more loved than saints and are a guiding force in global social relations. In most cases, the dominance of a handful of media companies mean these personae are carefully manipulated puppet façades which are designed to fulfil the social objectives of a handful of media moguls in service of the military industrial complex.

The untimely deaths of many of the most outspoken celebrities of the past 50 years has long been hypothesised to be a form of societal manipulation, intended to create a psychological "framing effect" which limits the scope of public discourse to exclude topics which threaten the status quo. In most cases the people in question were outspoken on leftists issues, often to the extent of calling for revolution, and their deaths were under suspicious circumstance which are allegedly linked to the US intelligence agencies. Examples of artists include Bob Marley, John Lennon, Tupac Shakur, Jimmi Hendrix and Curt Cobain, among many others. Non-artists are also often attributed to this grouping, including JFK, Princess Diana, Malcolm X, Martin Luther Kind Jr,

If proven, this hypothesis would indicate the powers that be have been routinely assassinating many of the most influential leftist political minds of the past several decades, with the presumed goal of keeping western nations from adopting more socialist political ideas which would threaten the established economic order.

So... according to this hypothesis... no famous person that has EVER died, has died because SHIT WENT WRONG. It was ALWAYS for a reason? There can be NO ACCIDENTS when you are FUCKIN FAMOUS?

That is in no way indicated or implied by me, your hasty conclusion is based on a tiny list of celebrities, a handful out of the countless ones who have died without suspicious circumstances. Keep in mind, these specific celebrities were far more influential than most, their circumstances in some cases included documented death threats from intelligence agencies, and that being shot at point blank range is rarely accidental.

That said, the frequent capitalisation and general tone of your comment appears deliberately abrasive and argumentative so I shall have no more to do with this conversation, Good day to you.

It might relate to mass mind control stuff and the like

OK, going with that premise: WHY would anyone manipulate my opinion of two people I never gave a rats fart about in the first place?

And I'm not asking that idly. I feel most people don't care enough about courtney love and kurt kobain to do anything stupid about it.

If things of a shady nature were conducted back in 1994 it could be damage control, and they might not care about your opinion in particular.

I have answered two of your questions- now would you be so kind as to tell me what you think of this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Ewen_Cameron#Project_MKUltra

All right, let's get right into it then:

Project MKULTRA is very well documented to have have existed, and resulted in a few deaths by OVER-LSDing otherwise responsible people.

Subproject 68 was a bullshit attempt to cull positive results from negative data, and it DID hurt people.

Now, you're dating back a LONG ways citing that shit. it proved out to be LESS effective than what the CIA does now with its prisoners.

I'm not ignorant, merely intolerant.

Her dad wrote a book about her called Love Kills. I believe it is available on Scribd. His name is Hank Harrison.

Her father is an untrustworthy cunt.

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No. I don't appreciate your comment. I stand by my statement and any interview he's given shows what an utter scumbag he is. My opinion of him is not a dispute about Courtney's character or theories people have posted here. I think he goes along way to explaining her personality. He is a cunt, might not be classy, but I never claimed to be and neither is he.

He stole money from the Grateful Dead.

Courtney love has powerful lawyers. It is known.

Also, she killed Kurt Cobain.

the documentary "Soaked in Bleach" is already in Torrentz

I enjoyed his music. Courtney Love isn't smart enough to get away with murder.

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Whatever sells the movie. Kurt must turning in his grave.

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Absolutely, man. I'm just the type of guy who reads everything on any banned book list. That means you can effectively dupe me by faking a ban, so I have no clue what the manipulation means... it just makes it interesting :) Thx for comment. I'm still a few days from getting to Soaked. I might watch Montage, as well. Thanks.

The worst part about Courtney Love was she did it for money. Now she is suing solidifying that fact. As long as that no talent hack gets paid I don't think she cares. Kurt killed himself cause he married a sellout.

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Where can I find these movies?

I haven't seen the movie. Not saying I won't, but given the media hype, I feel it's inappropriate at this time.

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There is an error when I try to open any discussion in message boards of Soaked in Bleach on IMDB

Honestly... Don't we have bigger, more pressing topics to discuss?

It isn't like Courtney Love is plugged into anything significant. The Zionist-Jews of Hollywood allow her to orbit around events just to simply make jokes at her expense.

Who gives a fuck is some fat, heroin shooting, Sashsquash-skank... murdered her skinny, heroin shooting, "Grunge-God" twenty years ago?

Because of the CIA- cultural mind control angle- misplaced user name

Holy shit. Is there any way you can upload the audio to mega.co.nz or mediafire.com etc. then send me a link please?

The worst part about Courtney Love was she did it for money. Now she is suing solidifying that fact. As long as that no talent hack gets paid I don't think she cares. Kurt killed himself cause he married a sellout.

did someone say Augustus Owsley Stanley III?

http://hipsterracist.wordpress.com/2014/05/18/flogging-miley-5/

Absolutely, man. I'm just the type of guy who reads everything on any banned book list. That means you can effectively dupe me by faking a ban, so I have no clue what the manipulation means... it just makes it interesting :) Thx for comment. I'm still a few days from getting to Soaked. I might watch Montage, as well. Thanks.