I can provide some insight on this image. I do a lot of photo analysis and work with photo editing software.

1. Some type of editing such as white balance adjustment, highlight adjustment, etc. will produce those 'contrasty' snowy effects you see on the ELA (Error Level Analysis) conversions. If the entire image has been messed with in Lightroom, for example, it could show a lot of those showy areas all over the place. However, they would be somewhat uniform and very much alike on the entire image which indicates that the entire image has been saved an equal number of times and consistent throughout.

2. Images with little to no snowy effect indicate little to no editing with the white balance and/or copy paste and a low number of re-saves.

What this means for the 'shooters' image: The background was heavily edited for the white balance, highlights and possibly individual color gamma levels to match the white level of the actual person. That is why it is so snowy on the ELA image. The patches with flags have been pasted and then the layers were flattened. This was done quick. I am almost positive that whoever made this composite image wanted it to be discovered.

If I were to do it, I would spend an extra 30 minutes editing the 'shooter picture to carefully readjust individual gamma and white balance levels by increasing the 'Light' setting in Photoshop/Lightroom, saving the image and then reducing that Light level using the exposure/white balance settings and then re-save the image again and again 3 to 4 times. It would make them look a lot more uniform on the ELA picture in the photo forensics.

EDIT: I am almost positive that the background picture started as a RAW image, then edited for lighting while the dude's picture was a JPEG. I could tell he is pasted with a naked eye without any s/w and bet my monthly paycheck on it.

So why would they want to be found-out? Perhaps to make the conspiracy crowd look racist as well as anti-Semetic when they "support" this guy?

Did...did you just confirm this photo was edited?

You should probably make a self post to somewhere like /r/technology.

Is it possible this kid was into photoshop m, and photoshopped hisself into that background?

For reference, can you provide ELA of something you've photoshopped where you've readjusted balance levels and resaved to cover up the tracks? Thanks!

Excellent reply man. When I have some time later I'm going to over this and check some other photos later but thanks for the very solid info.

Very interested in anything else you have to say, BTW.

Yes, you would be very interested in anything else the guy who uses "nigger" un-ironically, has to say.

Birds of a feather, if you know what I mean! (I mean Stormfront.)

I haven't used the N word anywhere, once, in my post history, I'm done with you sir.

Your new friend here has.

(Actually, I don't think he's your new friend, I think you two have known each other for a while. Y'know. Because you both post on Stormfront.)

so what bearing could that possibly have on the facts/theories he's presented above?

Well, let me walk you through it, /u/FrankTheShank1.

The people posting here are white supremacists, as indicated by their post histories. The person who killed 9 people is also a white supremacist. The white supremacists here are desperately trying to insist that the shooter isn't one of them. Getting it yet? They're trying to wash their hands of the guy, because he did what they all dream of doing, and that might complicate their recruitment efforts here.

Why do white supremacists post here? To recruit. (They said so themselves.) Would anyone want to join them if they have an image of being a bunch of backwoods retard murderers? Probably not.

SHILL ACCOUNT ABOVE. ATTEMPTED TO SLIDE THE DISCUSSION. ATTEMPT DENIED. BAN HAMMER PLEASE.

Tell me more about your opinions of "the Jews" :>

God, this place is lousy with neo-Nazis.

Ima tag you as the electric slide man since you love to look up peoples past posts and attempt to slide the discussion.

Tell me, is working for shekels worth it?

Isn't it effective, looking up people's past posts? I mean, it outed you guys as a bunch of white supremacists pretty effectively.

Please explain, how me disliking zionists who run this world and attempt to control the whole world makes me a white supremacist?

Your logic is bad and you should feel bad.

You're right, I should have said "anti-semitic white supremacist."

Zionists are THE most hateful group of people and the biggest antisemities. They dont follow the Torah and continue to commit genocide against Palestinians in the name of religion. Fuck zionists.

You interested in what I have to say. Challenge accepted:

I don't know from what angle you view reality, but I bet if a black family moved in next door into a house that they received through a government program and then proceeded to harass you first, then break into your home while you at work, beat, tie up and do other things to your wife and then threaten you to be 'knifed by his gangsta homies at 4am' after you file a police report only to have the testimony revoked because you fear for your life. That is one of the things that had me looking at things differently. You see, this type of behavior is a cultural trend for some demographics and thats a fact! I know that facts and statistics are the racist bunch of all, ain't it?

What the hell is stormfront?

What difference does it make if they are black? White people do fucked up shit like this all the time. I don't think to myself 'oh shit, here goes the neighborhood' every time a white guy moves in because one time one of them shoved his burning couch through his patio door at 3:30am.

More white people smoke meth than blacks, does that mean every time I see a white guy I should hide my cigarettes?

When was the last time whites murdered a black family? Well, blacks | are doing | it regularly.

It's ok man, i know how you feel. I was held up at gunpoint in the late 90s by a group of black guys. I was sure i was going to die that night. It turned me into a racist asshole and it took me decades to get over it.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA AH

You interested in what I have to say. Challenge accepted:

I don't know from what angle you view reality, but I bet if a black family moved in next door into a house that they received through a government program and then proceeded to harass you first, then break into your home while you at work, beat, tie up and do other things to your wife and then threaten you to be 'knifed by his gangsta homies at 4am' after you file a police report only to have the testimony revoked because you fear for your life. That is one of the things that had me looking at things differently. You see, this type of behavior is a cultural trend for some demographics and thats a fact! I know that facts and statistics are the racist bunch of all, ain't it?

What the hell is stormfront?

Ah, thank you... it's nice when your type can be goaded into revealing their true nature. Thank you also for the elaborate fantasy of black people raping my family.

I quoted your post in case you delete it later.

You can say whatever you want. That is not fantasy, that happened to me in 2008. I had to sell the house with a loss and drop my contract and move to get out of that one. Things like that really happen, you know.

It's time you state 1 reason for demonizing me and looking for any possible reason to discredit my photo analysis. Because it is spot on and you know it.

I'm not saying much of anything. I'm mostly pasting things you've said, and throwing them in your face. You think black people are subhuman. I think you're glad that nine of them were murdered.

I also think you're doing your best to create an alternate reality where the shooter isn't a white supremacist, just like you.

I never said they are subhuman. You are throwing things in my face, allright, but you have no clue about what you are doing. You are just desperately trying. You also want to paste some words into my mouth. If you want to be taken seriously, state valid and relevant things. Don't veer off the subject.

I never said they are subhuman.

Yeah, you kinda have. In fact your post history (which I encourage others to look at) is full of suggestions that black people are subhuman. I mean, I just posted an example of you saying they're incapable of advanced thought and emotion.

Look man racist or not we are in this thread to discuss the possible editing of this photo and this argument is just going to derail the thread. If you will please take it to pms.

No.

So you are just going to be unreasonable about it then? If the thread really is fabricated by white supremacists I think it will become apparent that the photo is indeed not edited after more users who are knowledgeable on the subject pitch in their opinions.

I think I'm being quite reasonable in suggesting that the motives of the people promoting this theory should be investigated, ideally by looking at their post history.

Say, why is it that all their post histories contain references to "niggers," black people as subhuman animals incapable of thought, anti-semitic attitudes and Holocaust denial?

Why do you think this is happening?

Could it have something to do with the fact that the shooter is a white supremacist?

Say, why do YOU think all these white supremacists are here to assure us that no, the shooter certainly WASN'T a white supremacist? When there's photographic evidence attesting to the fact that the shooter WAS INDEED a white supremacist, I mean? :>

If you're right and they and the shooter are indeed white supremacists then I would guess the reason for the thread would be to deflect attention away from white supremacist groups by discrediting the photo.

On the other hand the main stream media has been pushing the black vs white narrative pretty heavily lately in what seems to be an effort to deepen racial divides, photo shopping the shooter would accomplish this motive.

I'd also not consider it out of the realm of possibility that the posters in this thread may be white supremacists but also be correct about the photo shopping despite the aforementioned possible motive.

In the end all I care about is the truth, as of right now I am still on the fence but I'll keep an eye on the thread and form my own opinion after it has concluded.

photo shopping the shooter would accomplish this motive.

Man, are these guys going to shit themselves when more pictures emerge of this guy wearing the same jacket.

Haha if you are right and that happens then I'll have a good fucking laugh. I can see that you are just trying to sort the truth from the bull shit so good for you. If it turns out you are right then you didn't derserve all the downvotes you got in this thread.

No, I did deserve all those downvotes. Hell, I even brought them on myself. See, the downvotes are evidence that there's a white supremacist, anti semitic element posting here, and employing a frightening degree of coordination to promote their propaganda.

I view those downvotes as a badge of honor. If a fucking neo-Nazi downvotes me, I'm doing something right.

You sound like a shill to me. Plenty of white people have bad experiences living in the ghetto, get pissed off and then say stuff on reddit that they shouldn't. Are they all white-supremacists? Probably not, they may even have middle-class black friends and whatnot. But here you think that there is some conspiracy of neo-Nazis invading r/conspiracy (more likely a conspiracy of shills to discredit r/conspiracy I would say). I don't know if you are payed to be here or not, but you are jumping to conclusions. Let's return to the original post, was it photoshopped or not? His explanation certainly sounds convincing, do you have any evidence to the contrary or are you just assuming he is wrong because he is a bit (maybe a lot) racist? Remember, he could be both racist and correct at the same time. Stranger things have happened.

But here you think that there is some conspiracy of neo-Nazis invading r/conspiracy (more likely a conspiracy of shills to discredit r/conspiracy I would say).

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2nyim9/stormfront_conspiracy_to_flood_subreddits_with/

just gon' leave this here

get off your high horse

But the view is great from up here.

One month old account with 225 posts and 3,700 karma? Agenda-shill much?

Man, that's nothing. You should see my other accounts.

Hahaha your parents must be so proud of your accomplishments. What a waste of space.

I just asked them. They said "Well, you post on Reddit a lot, but at least you're not a fucking neo-Nazi. We'd have drowned you if you were."

I agree. Neo-Nazis are pretty shit. I'm proud I'm not one.

You sound like a little rich pussy SJW that doesn't life outside your bubble. One of those hypocritical liberal morons that think racism means "white people hating other races" and thinks racism against whites is justified/doesn't exist. Nobody is saying they're glad people died, and nobody is making excuses for anything. Youre confusing that pesky thing called "reality" with whatever liberal retard fantasy world you project on to everyone and everything. Do yourself a favor and fuck off because nobody respects you here.

Oh no, a bunch of neo-Nazis don't respect me, I'm so sad :(

OH WAIT YOU'RE SUBHUMANS, WHO GIVES A SHIT WHAT YOU THINK?

Please upload something where you've covered your tracks in photoshop so we can see the difference between that and the obvious shops in the tutorial.

From your post history, first page:

Another nigger buzzed in to demonstrate his ineptness. Yes, we already know. Thanks. Why so much regression then, coonio?

Yeah, you're not a white supremacist at all. But it's awesome to see you guys trying to promote this theory with such vigor!

Come on, Stormfront bunch, I'm sure you can find a Reddit account or two that isn't soiled with racist hatred to push this theory?

I thought this was to be something of a hey help me out here kinda post. Now you made it something else. Thanks for the personal attack on another user.

You thought wrong. Look at the post histories of the people going "hey help me out." Notice anything suspicious?

I don't care and refuse to be pulled into your witch hunt.

Stay on topic and keep personal views where they should be........personal. Meaning to yourself.

No.

This entire topic is a fabrication by a handful of white supremacists, trying to imply that the guy who just shot 9 black people to death isn't a white supremacist like them. I'm going to challenge this fabrication.

... challenge accepted.

I hate everyone equally.

A good attitude to have. Equality is important.

Exactly, I couldn't care less what anybody looks like. Even myself.

I will have days where I even hate myself! but, that's life!

Everyone should stop bringing up past problems and reiterating them. Humans of all shapes/sizes/colours, even the word 'normal' is forbidden to class someone in my vocabulary.. as normal is different for everyone, everyone is different.

plus the only reason for skin colour differences is because of how close you live to the equator.

I'm bored of everyone always playing the same record day in and day out. It's sad.

Promote what theory? What hatred are you talking about?

I reckon that empathy, being abstract by definition, cannot be processed by niggers. They cannot perform any type of subjunctive reasoning.

-- Marclar_Seobhan

This hatred. Which you posted in /r/coontown. Did you forget?

That's not hatred, that's a fact. I am not afraid to speak in facts. I perform social economical analysis for a living. Racism is biased discrimination by definition. I am clear of bias and only use facts.

In this thread we focus on the photo analysis. What is the point of demonizing people by bringing in racial hatred?

Yeah.... I'm gonna need a source for that "fact "

Look carefully at what you are.

I don't need to look, I already know. If you have something to point out, be relevant to the thread or be dismissed.

Dismiss me then. Try to stop me.

It's already happened. If you want to be taken seriously, say something valid on the subject. Everything else is just a useless babble.

You keep replying, I don't feel very dismissed.

Innocent bystander here, what is going in this comment thread? There are upvotes for racism and downvotes for anti-racism. It seems uncharacteristic of /r/conspiracy to support racism. Am I missing something? EDIT: grammar

to me it seems like that whole fight is just to bring everyone off topic

There are downvotes for a witch hunt and upvotes for factual information. We're not in the business of shooting the messenger here.

James Holmes' booking pics were photoshopped to make him look more menacing if you remember.

I think we need to find out where this pic originated, on his facebook?

Yes. It was his fbook profile pic. The interesting thing is that in the reddit "live feed" thread, there was mention of him creating his facebook just about a month ago and "none of his friends knowing him in real life." a statement that was retracted within an hour saying "oh...some people actually DID know him." but no further word on him just creating his facebook a month ago or not.

I saw the thread here (i think) of the few friends he had on facebook and it looked like none of them knew him. So weird.

Bizarre. And now that his fbook is deactivated who knows with Photoshop what is real and what is bullshit - either made by nutjob trolls on the net or by TPTB to fit their narrative.

Par for the course when it comes to this shit

"MKUltra" is really on the tip of my tongue but before I make a thread like "DYLANN ROOF PROVEN MKULTRA ADAM LANZA TWIN 9/11 PART 4 ZOMBIE BATMAN SHOOTER MOVIE THEATER ISRAEL FALSE FLAG" I'ma need to take a few days to let this settle and analyze all of the facts.

TBH tho, I don't know if I've ever seen a social media profile appear and disappear so quickly....

All of these recent crazy kids all have a similar distant look on their face. Either they were drugged up before the crimes, or drugged up after the crimes so they wouldn't talk.

It reminds me of that Vice doc about scopolamine. Not sure if you ever saw it, but it's a must watch. And then afterwards assume it's been looked at by governments and imagine the repercussions.

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Yup, very scary shit. And look at the last few mass murderers. Aurora, Newtown, etc. They all have that same vacant stare in their booking photos

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Don't forget in the Holmes case he had someone waiting outside...a female. Actually there was another guy involved in the Lanza case too that was forgotten about. Amazing how these eyewitnesses always see other suspects and then it's written off with the old "eyewitness reports are unreliable" nonsense.

where can you find the footage?

Looks like 3 different images to me. The fotoforensics page on the SC shooter pic looks like the background is one image, the Africa patches are another, and the person wearing the jacket with the logo is the third.

Please note that I have no image manipulation experience whatsoever.

Yeah, I can see it that way as well. Honestly the background looks super tilted and weird to me, but I'm trying to look at the hard facts.

You're right though, the ELA does seem to indicate that may be a possibility although like I said I don't know enough about the big picture nuances yet.

Those forensics sites have always left me perplexed, I've tried their examples and actual test pictures I shot/created and have had false positives AND negatives. I guess true, reliable and powerful tools must exist but the free ones on the net, well.

Aside from that, from the biggest version I've found, it looks to my unprofessional eye as if the blurring/'unfocused' look on the flag patches is somewhat different from the one on the right. As if they used the Gaussian Blur filter instead of Lens Blur which gives out a more realistic 'unfocused' look IMHO.

Word, interesting. I was going to take some time when I'm free and see about false positives / negatives but like I said I haven't done so yet.

Either way thanks for your input.

Can someone pull up the exif data of the photo? I'm on my phone so I can't

Facebook strips exif data I believe.

Well shit

The example provided on the site for ELA of a modified photo doesn't look anything like the ELA one of the shooter.

I know, that example is their first step one and is designed to be as explicit as possible, it was probably photoshopped by someone who had very little idea what they are doing.

Suffice to say, the bright colors on the ELA reading of the shooter photo show different compression levels just around the patches. It's at the very least, sketchy. I'll try and find another tampered with picture that looks more similar to my example.

Edit: So, for example, you may find this interesting, what we're really looking for is differing levels of compression. So in this example, the entire logo displays that neon rainbow flair. This isn't sketchy because it's uniform and all over, this picture may have been compressed at some point in his history. However in the text you can see the latter half displays a differing level of compression, showing it has been altered. It's this differing level of compression that makes the initial analysis of the shooters photo sketchy, not necessarily the compression levels themselves.

http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?challenge=1&id=05f1f54137a3681e2cfa55e01bf581fb2642c655.81540

Suffice to say, the bright colors on the ELA reading of the shooter photo show different compression levels just around the patches. It's at the very least, sketchy. I'll try and find another tampered with picture that looks more similar to my example.

The compression of those rectangle patches are not similar to other surfaces depicted in that photo because they are different than the other depicted surfaces. While the mostly black patch seems similar, it is not because it has a dissimilar edge & surface that are round.

Also, FotoForensics does not claim that bright colors like white, yellow, blue, etc. are proof of modification.

From FotoForensics:

Error Level Analysis (ELA) quantifies the JPEG compression rate across the image. The compression rate for similar surfaces should look similar, and the rates for similar edges should look similar...

With ELA, "white" does not mean modified; white means a higher error level potential that must be compared against similar edges and similar surfaces in the picture.

http://fotoforensics.com/tutorial-mistakes.php

Right, the white, yellow, etc. are not markers of a modified image, it's the DIFFERENT compression levels that we have to look for. Like on this example:

http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?challenge=1&id=05f1f54137a3681e2cfa55e01bf581fb2642c655.81540

There is white, pink, etc. all over the image. Doesn't mean the whole thing was photoshopped. However the right hand side of the text exhibits levels of variation not found in the rest of the image, it therefore indicates that it was photoshopped.

I should add that this is an example from their site that is definitely photoshopped. So I agree, it's not the levels or the colors but the variance that indicates editing.

I can't say about your other point yet because I'm still looking into it. Like I said I put this up as more of a discussion than a definitive conclusion so thanks for your input.

The rest of the image is relatively low saturation and contrast, but the patches are comprised of strongly saturated color and fine detail. They require a different level of compression to other parts of the image for that reason.

Playing devil's advocate for a second, if what you say is true about compression levels between low saturation/contrast and high -- the face of the subject has a much higher saturation and acute color data (although not as high as the flag patches) compared to a darker surface like the jacket or hair?

There is a drastic difference between the grain color and compression of the patches and the rest of the photo, whereas the face has absolutely no difference in compression grain compared to much darker, low saturated and absent of color areas like the jacket.

Your thoughts on that?

Basically his face, while slightly more saturated, is a big soft color. It doesn't have a lot of edges or high contrast.

I'm sure if you run enough of your own photos through the ECT tools on that site you'll find all sorts of surprising image artifacts. They are inherent in lossy compression.

Look into the way DCT compression works - essentially fine detail requires much more information to represent the visual information, which is why we see the differences in areas with more detail - it's why the background, with lots of detail in the trees, appears different to the foreground, with broader areas of color and less fine detail.

Really interesting dude, thanks a lot for your valuable input. I'll look into that stuff.

Hey, I'm OP. Just wanted to show that I'm not just trying to push this theory and I'm actually interested in seeing if it's true. I think you might be right. I ran a few other photos of boyscouts with badges and other images that fit this description that they're similar but still a little different, and I'm not an expert so I can't really tell. Have you worked with ELAs before or anything?

I've not worked specifically with ELA but I'm pretty familiar with image compression.

Couldn't those same features be natural reflections of the contrasts in the photo, though? The patch in the photo still looks more like the unedited sections of the logo than it does the edited script.

Can you provide an example of something that has been photoshopped where the contrast is as subtle as in the shooter photo?

Hey. Hey guys. I have a new conspiracy theory for you to attack with your image forensics.

https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/roof-confederate-states.jpg

Was this license plate photoshopped in? The one that says "confederate pride."

What's the matter? Forensic analysis didn't work out?

Still no replies?

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And?

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Please, explain.

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Oh. :(

my take: he looks too weird -- i wanna know; is it just that he may be from an environment of racists, does his family have any military background; CIA? does he have mental issues?

i'm thinking, this could be another psyop to start some shit, i.e., JH, etc., i'm really hope this won't be a long hot summer. (the "blood" red moon is Sept. 28th & Jade Helm 15 ends Sept. 15th).

Well Adam Lanza turned out to not exist and so did Eliot Rodgers soo.

true -- i really hate living in a fake world, too many lies.

is it just that he may be from an environment of racists

He probably went to school with a lot of black people and they probably bullied him.

The only solution, to protect black people from NAZIKKKRACISTS, it segregation.

Do you have a better idea?

i get where you're coming from (as i am Black), but i'm feeling that because TPTB really wanna start some shit, it's to our advantage to realize that WE ALL have to fight this together,

think about the militarization of the police, they're killing everybody, it's to our advantage to UNITE, not to segregate.

bottom line; it's the elite against the rest of the population --think about it.

What have you done, as a Black man, to stop Black on White violence and bullying?

well, as a Black woman, i make every effort every day to let people know that i am not prejudiced against anyone whether based on race, religion, age, gender, in my conversation or by my actions,

i sign (A LOT of) petitions (i know, that may not mean squat, but i do what i can) i have participated in protests against racism & ALWAYS make it known where "i stand" when it comes to the rights of others,

funny you should ask, as i'm considered "odd" because i can relate to people of different races/religions; it's only because my family knew people from other countries/cultures that came to our home. as a child i assumed everybody had the same experiences.

now i realize that not everybody has been lucky enough to have known/learned what i have.

while i have been bullied when i was younger & yes, often people still think they can bully me now (just because some dumb asses make that assumption); they soon learn that i stand up for others AND myself, i'm perceived as a quiet person but i can speak up for myself & others when necessary, i may be small in stature -- but i don't take no shit (from NO BODY).

edit: i'm very friendly :) but i refuse to tolerate people that are mean or unnecessarily ignorant (of that makes sense)

i can relate to people of different races/religions; it's only because my family knew people from other countries/cultures

This Dlyann Roff kid lived in South Carolina, that means he almost certainly went to school with Black kids and was not "ignorant" about Black people. This is not a matter of him never meeting Black people and only seeing racist stereotypes on TV.

He grew up surrounded by Black people and grew to hate them. So why is that?

could've been his environment? or mental illness. i would really like to know if his parents were military (i.e, MKULTRA, "set up" for race war)

I wonder if he was on SSRIs

idk that's really important, hate is hate, whether it's learned at home or elsewhere, imo, medication is not an excuse.

hate is hate

Of come on, that's not true. It's only "hate" when a White person does it. When a Black person, or a Muslim does it, that's "understandable rage at racism and Islamophobia" isn't it?

We you chanting "hate is hate" about the Boston Bomber? Hmmm...

some people on this sub thought the Boston bombing was a false flag.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2015/06/attacks-black-churches-since-1995

My question is. Who would take photos like this? It's so puzzling how some 20 year-old kid would go to the woods and take a picture of himself. Why wouldn't it be a selfie or webcam photo?

Someone obviously had to take the picture for him and if my friend/mom/cousin was taking a picture of me I wouldn't look that menacing at the camera. I mean he was demented. but its just strange

or he had a tripod set up. why someone would want to go to the woods just for a picture? obviously the answer seems easy. but its still strange that would be the only pic we have.

not to mention how the background looks like a stock photo

If I use the high res version from the link you posted: http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1444687/dylann-roof.jpg

And run it through FotoForensics: http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id=024fc71b2079e3fcde613858b21720f86588b028.1483175

It does not look altered. Try it yourself.

Nice dude. Yeah you are most likely correct I think, the main reason I posted this here was to get other eyes in the discussion.

The background is shopped. See lower comments for OG photo.

I didn't see it, where?

It is literally right under this one.

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3aba45/we_must_research_and_conclude_if_this_photo_of_the_nc_shooter_is_photoshopped_evidence_inside/csdt8eg

Sorry, I thought you meant an original, unphotoshopped image of the photo I posted in the OP.

The background is shopped. See lower comments for OG photo.

http://cdn.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/articles/2015/06/20/dylann-roof-visited-slave-plantations-confederate-landmarks-before-massacre/jcr:content/body/inlineimage_12.img.800.jpg/1434822924504.cached.jpg

WHOOPSIE DAISY. LOOK WHAT I FOUND.

Everyone upvote!!

http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id=5aa0674800be3fcb7ce7b2193fd88971d0b187ab.97198 same result

I've stared at this for awhile, but I can't tell the differences for some reason, maybe I'm missing something?

If white people knew the history of Rhodesia and Apartheid South Africa and what africans did to those places, they would be furious.

I used to live in Zimbabwe, in the post-liberation period. The first parts of it were a golden age for Zimbabwe. The racist Rhodesian government and its authority were abolished, but the nation's productivity remained at colonial levels when I resided there.

My family left right before Zimbabwe became extremist and hateful toward white people. Before they began driving out the white farmers. It's a shame they went that way, but I completely understand the attitude. What we did to them when we were in charge was simply inhuman. The anger was natural.

I suspect the Charleston shooter may have had a similar upbringing to mine. His just went in a very different direction.

the racist Rhodesian government

Oh you mean the one that brought Rhodesia's quality of life for all citizens up to one of the highest in Africa. And you know what happen when the lesser Africans kicked the white farmers out. The started starving because they are too stupid to understand basic farming methods that European cultures have been doing forever.

Would you like to hear a bit about how they brought Rhodesia's quality of life so high, for all its "citizens?" :)

I completely understand why they kicked the whites out. And yes, they started starving as a result. They kicked out a tyrannical overlord, and they suffered for it. They'll keep suffering for it for decades; that is their fate. That is the price you pay for kicking out your tyrants - a few decades of things going very badly.

So how were those white farmers oppressing them? They were tyrants too? The Zimbabwean white genocide was based on pure racial hatred and revenge upon those who had nothing to do with past oppression. They brutally massacred white families because they simply hated everyone with white skin, and that kind of hatred simply cannot be excused. The blacks deserve to suffer forever for it. I hope no European or Asian country provides them any kind of aid.

Yes I would.

Glad you asked. As a starter...

http://www.rdm.co.za/politics/2015/03/20/cecil-john-rhodes-sadist-racist-empire-builder

Digest the following. I know it's a South African link, which you might not trust, but it's a good one.

Tell me what you think. (And understand that this is the very beginning of our discussion of the history of Rhodesia.)

So he proposed a bill to allow the whites to own the natives who did nothing with the african soil for as long as they lived on it? C. John showed the world what Africa would be under white rule. I hope China shows no mercy to the africans in their new land.

Do you think owning people is an ethical thing to do?

I was always brought up to consider that sort of thing to be "slavery."

Do you think owning animals is an ethical thing to do?

Yes. I own many animals and I think they're better off with me than in the wild.

I completely understand why they kicked the whites out. And yes, they started starving as a result.

To answer your question. Yes i think owning people is an ethical thing to do and I think they're better off being owned than in the wild.

This Charleston shooter, Rachel Dolezal and Caitlyn Jenner trifecta seem like puzzle pieces. or dominos.

Like why did Rachel get outed weeks after transgender people were all over the news. We saw people making up "Trans-racial" and its was a huge discussion.

and with racial tension this happens. Maybe im just a kook but its just weird. its like we are being distracted

It seems to me like the media is forcing the race issue now, trying to provoke something.

these events have been too perfect. It just feels like a movie plot. and these people seem like actors. You know what I mean?

No

This situation eerily reminds me of that movie Rampage where the dude who does the shooting spree gets his clueless friend to meet him in the woods and frames him for it.

Hey, just an FYI it was SC, not NC that this happened in.

Sigh

I'm just uh... gonna go ahead and leave this here:

http://www.dailydot.com/politics/charleston-shooting-stormfront-reaction/

Totally inconsistent with the people posting here, right?

The deleted conversation with great information.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3ab1qa/the_patches_on_dylann_storm_roofs_jacket_were/

Keep trying, lads, you'll get there some day.

My first thought when I saw that photo this morning was that those patches were photoshopped in. And they did a crappy job of it, too. It's like they weren't even trying, or perhaps as another one of those perverse jokes that always seem to accompany one of these events, they did a crap job of it on purpose. I am a professional in the world of digital imaging. I work on real high end stuff.

But... what if it turns out, there are other photos of the shooter wearing that same jacket?

What if he's got those same patches in those photos?

Were those Photoshopped on as well?

"What if?" Seriously?

http://cdn.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/articles/2015/06/20/dylann-roof-visited-slave-plantations-confederate-landmarks-before-massacre/jcr:content/body/inlineimage_12.img.800.jpg/1434822924504.cached.jpg

OOPS. OOOOOOPS.

i dont think yall understand its kinda a trend to make your photos look like they were shot with low quality, which is triggering false negatives

Here are the results of my research:

• OP has posts in his history indicating anti-Jewish bias and Holocaust denial.
• Shooter is an active white supremacist, as indicated by the flags on his jacket.
• Forensic image analysis of shooter's photo doesn't indicate anything remotely similar to the manipulated photo example provided.
• OP seems to want to whitewash allegiance of shooter as belonging to his own community of white supremacists, and suggest the white-supremacist flags on his jacket were added via Photoshop after the fact.

Am I far off?

LOL dude I am Jewish, as is my entire family, so...

OP has posts in his history indicating anti-Jewish bias...

...shooter as belonging to his own community of white supremacists...

Just LOL man. I am a 100% Jew and therefore would not be a white supremacist. Feel free to try again though. I can type out some Hebrew prayers transliterated into English characters or find some other way to prove it if you don't believe me.

Whatever you say, man. Good luck with your photoshop conspiracy theory. This shooter was nothing but a Stormfront type who wanted to kill black people.

You're a white supremacist

Actually, I'm Jewish.

Whatever mannnnnnnnn

Good riddance dude, we're trying to have an actual discussion here so, maybe cruise on over to r/funny. Of course if I am Jewish, and this person is a white supremacist, I'd actually be defending someone that hates me right? That's too complicated a thought though, better go watch some Star Trek or something...

A self-hating Jewish person? Unthinkable!

Did you know that there are Jewish neo-Nazis too?

I'm not self hating. You're just another person who thinks questioning the official narrative makes you crazy.

I am Jewish as is my family, so if you want to write me off as a self-hating Jew that's fine but don't act like it's not just some bullshit that you're projecting outwards. I probably wouldn't be studying Hebrew calligraphy and Qabalah if I was a self hating Jew, right?

Have fun earning points in a fake video game universe based on a forty year old TV show (Star Trek Online, I checked your history as well), some of us put the games down when we were twelve and are trying to learn about the real world like adults.

Nah, I love questioning the official narrative. I just get alarm bells ringing in my head when a guy with a bunch of Holocaust denial in his post history tries to insist that naw, the crazy guy that shot dead a bunch of black people wasn't really a racist, those apartheid flags were merely photoshopped onto his jacket.

You've got a very stinky agenda here, and I think I can smell it.

By the way, why is it that when I confront you with your posting history full of Holocaust denial, you deflect to my post history containing a video game? Uncomfortable topic for you? :>

As a Jewish person, what ARE your opinions on the Holocaust? :> :> :>

My opinion is that this thread is about finding out if this photo is digitally altered, so my opinion on other historical events is irrelevant.

I have family that was affected by the holocaust, so I'm sure I don't fit the stereotype you're looking for, if that means anything to you.

If you think I have agenda of coming online to promote white supremacy because I am a self hating Jew or something, then you're the crazy conspiracy theorist. Either way I'm sure this conversation has ceased to be interesting for anyone reading it.

Oh, it's very interesting to me. See, I don't think you're actually Jewish at all.

While we've been chatting, I've been going through your post history. So far, I've found dozens of posts, and even some threads posted by you, alleging that the Holocaust was a fabrication. I haven't found a single one where you mentioned being Jewish before our conversation took place. Maybe you could help me look? Maybe I missed them.

Personally, I don't think a Jewish person who has family that was affected by the Holocaust, would be working as intensely as you have, to deny the Holocaust ever happened.

Why are you denying the Holocaust happened with such tenacity? Pretty odd for a Jewish person affected by the Holocaust, wouldn't you agree?

I don't deny the Holocaust every happened, just for the record. That is 100% ludicrous.

The fact that I have family that was involved with the Holocaust is the reason for my historical interest in it. There are also posts where I mention being Jewish.

I'm not going to waste time proving to someone online that I'm Jewish but if you can think of a definitive test I can pass I'm glad to take it. Otherwise let's part ways man, good luck on your journey.

Are you Jewish? If so I will type out some transliterated Hebrew prayers, honestly I think that's the best proof.

No, I already told you, I'm Polish. And I don't need to test you at all; your post history has revealed what you are quite clearly.

(You should try rotating accounts if you don't want future attempts to blow up in your face like they have just now.)

Just for anyone reading this, I am 100% Jewish, this person is obviously projecting out their delusional thinking and narrow conceptions of what is possible. If anyone wants to hit me up and discuss Qabalah or the mystical significance of the Hebrew alphabet I'm down anytime.

This is gonna blow your mind... but, I think it's possible that someone who really hates Jews, might have done some research on Jews, and might have the capacity to post Kabbalah writings or bits of the Jewish alphabet. "Know your enemy" and all that.

Admit it, dude. You're a Stormfront skinhead pretending to be Jewish. This is your little tactic to silence anyone who might question you.

I mean there's no way for me to prove it dude, but just so you know I am actually totally completely Jewish. I was raised into a reform synagogue on on Long Island, my grandparents were huge into the burgeoning zionist movement before the state of Israel became a thing (they met Netanyahu back in the day when he was in NYC), I was Bar Mitzvahed and learned a Haf Torah portion, could have done birthright but chose not to, I can read Hebrew but don't speak Hebrew (the case with a lot of people that were Bar / Bat Mitzvahed)... not really sure what else to tell you. I even learned about the holocaust, which you are professing that I deny, pretty much every single year in Hebrew school, where I also learned the classic aleph-bet song that, if any American Jew is reading this, will certainly know what I'm talking about (Aleph bet vet, gimmel dallet hey, vav tzayin het tet...).

I just want you to know it's completely hilarious to me that you think that this is like, my back up when people call me out online, is to pretend to be Jewish. The irony of you calling me a stormfront skinhead is hilarious, my grandfather and his brother almost died fighting the Nazis. In fact one of them (brother, not my grandfather) volunteered to be in some of the first boats deploying at D-Day and rocked the shrapnel in his face until the day he died to prove it.

Maybe I could tell you about how the closest candidate for an ancestor to the Hebrew alphabet is Egyptian, and thus the Hebrew letters are strictly speaking hieroglyphic. This plays into the Qabalistic tree of life in really awesome ways, for example if you check it out, you'll see the path leading from the Sun (Tiphareth) in the center leading up to Kether (God, essentially) is Gimmel. Gimmel is a glyph of a camel (it even looks like a little camel). This is intentional as this path leading from the sun (which is the soul, beauty, life essentially) up to God (kether) crosses what we call the Abyss, it's like a journey, a journey you would make on a camel. There's 22 letters in the Hebrew alphabet, so there is one for each path on the tree of life, and each one has a cool graphic significance like this.

I hope you'll concede that while I could have googled that up (not really though...) it's strange that someone who is a white supremacist as you claim would have a working knowledge of Hebrew mysticism. It quite literally took me years to have a working understanding of the Qabalah and how it syncs up to other mystical systems, it's really not just something that I would take the time to learn if I was "studying the enemy" as you so claim.

I just hope you realize that you are literally, 100% proving the stereotype of people that come on here and assume anyone who has anything to say that is not trusting the official narrative of a story must be a nazi skinhead or something, especially because I am literally a Jew myself.

Anyway man I'm done with you. I respect what you're trying to do but unfortunately you have incorrectly assumed who I am and what my motivations are. Many years ago I would have been just like you myself in fact. Lo siento, I am not the skinhead you are looking for.

If you're not a skinhead... stop sounding so very, very much like one. Look at what you are. Look at the things you say.

Review your post history. What is it about your post history that made me think you're not Jewish? Think.

I don't care, because I am a Jew. That's why I'm interested in the Holocaust. I want to know more about the most important thing that ever happened to my people, and defines our identity more than anything else up to the present day. I'll let you try and wrap your mind around that, but I have more important things to do than try and prove that I'm Jewish to some random guy online, sorry. I'll be thinking about you when I cruise home later and see the Hebrew prayer book from Poland my mom has that was smuggled through WW2 chilling on our mantle, good luck on your truth search brother.

Right. You're a Jew. Who doesn't believe the Holocaust happened, as evidenced by your post history. But you're protesting what I found in your post history, just now. Even though you've been posting for ages about how the Holocaust didn't happen. Suddenly, just now, the Holocaust did happen. But it didn't as far as every post you've made in the past.

Yep.

Perfectly consistent.

Seriously dude, look at your post history.

Dude I'm just going to tell you this because I actually, really feel bad for you that you're so sure of yourself: someone investigating an aspect of history does not mean they don't think that event happened. If I were to check to see if the man on the street really had an accurate view of what happened at the Battle of Waterloo, that doesn't mean I don't think the War of 1812 never happened, or that Napoleon never existed. Likewise looking into my own misconceptions about the Holocaust does not mean that I think the Holocaust never happened or any other nonsense you've been told to think.

I used to be JUST like you, thinking that anyone that was looking into the Holocaust was a total fucking lunatic, until I learned things like the fact that the gas chamber at Auschwitz is a reconstruction, and that in the 1990's historians quietly revised the death toll at Auschwitz from 4 million to 1 million. I also was never told about the worldwide Jewish boycott of German goods, things like LEHI (zionist terrorist group) attempting to collaborate with the Nazis, etc. (this is far from an outlandish posit and actually appears on their wikipedia page). Since these things form an integral part of my ethnic identity and my race and who I am in the most basic sense I naturally started to research them. It's indisputable that the Holocaust is the real catalyst to the modern Jewish identity so without understanding it, it's impossible for me to understand who I am or how to live in this modern world.

I just hope you realize that you're so conditioned to view people in these stereotypes that you have alarm bells ringing when someone's post history shows they've been researching their own misconceptions about the Holocaust when in reality that would be the most natural thing in the world for an intelligent Jew to be doing.

Anyway man like I said, I used to be just like you, so I thought I'd give you a little window into what I'm actually thinking and perhaps let you see things from my side of the aisle. I respect what you're trying to do, in a sense, so I just thought I'd leave off this convo on a positive note and let you see through the veil into the reality of the situation, that I'm actually just a Jewish kid sitting up in a messy apartment in NYC trying to figure out how the world ended up in the state it's in, and what my place in it is.

Anyway it's been fun man but let's part ways. Good luck on your quest, it is a strange journey indeed.

I should know!!!

Just because I'm a Jew who tells the truth I'm instantaneously marginalized as a "self-hating Jew" whenever I criticize anything having to do with Israeli apartheid or "the Cabal."

You obviously fall into the same category... /s

Nah, the category I fall into is Polish. You know, that other half of the Holocaust that was being wiped out by the Nazis alongside your people. We lost a fifth of our population to the Nazis, which admittedly isn't as major as the approximate 50% of all Jews wiped from existence by the Nazis as far as demographics go, but I think you understand now why I find anyone who even slightly stinks of Holocaust denial to be utterly repulsive.

Frankly, I believe the body count of the Holocaust is vastly understated. I think far more died than the official records account for. How do you feel about that?

Well, that's hard to say.

I think that far more died than the SOVIET records account for (like...far, far more) but I'm clearly mixed up with a few things--like how World Jewry could go UP (unless the almanacs are wrong, which is a possibility) during the War Years. Personally I think that this is a Stormfront-style lie but I haven't looked into it anywhere near as well as I should have.

One thing that I DO hate is people blatantly profiting off of the suffering of my forefathers. Certain filmmakers come to mind.

Holocaust "denial" is a weird thing. People that "deny" that it happened are scumbags. People that question the numbers...well, I can see their point. I think that what they forget is that, during wartime, the basic human necessities are breaking down and faltering--accurate record-keeping simply falls by the wayside.

I saw this with my own eyes in Bosnia working for a relief organization in 1996.

Anyhow, l'chaim my friend! I'm all for your error-level work...this is the stuff that brings the TRUTH out...unfortunately Reddit is not the place to go for TRUTH anymore...and hasn't been for a long time. Pity.

"Jewry."

Now there's a term I hear Jews using all the time. (Oh wait, no, I hear anti-semitic skinheads using it all the time.)

The man overheard a conversation spoken in Hebrew, which drew his attention. He hid behind an 8-foot tall retaining wall and listened in to their conversation as they stood below. Shortly after a Lincoln town car approached the two people and the man in the backseat got out to greet them. After normal niceties were exchanged the third man said: “The Americans will learn what it is to live with terrorists after the planes hit the twins in September.

From your post history - an insinuation that 9/11 was done by the Jews. Man, what is it with all these people posting here, alleging to be Jewish, then participating in anti-semitic conversations left and right?

Is this a new Stormfront thing? Pretend to be Jewish to silence anyone who might question your anti-Jewish propaganda?

Uuuh, I'm not pretending to be anything that I'm not.

Furthermore--to suggest that I think that 9/11 was done "by the Jews" is hilarious. Utterly shameful.

Were Jewish people a HUGE part of what took place that day? I believe so. Was Mossad instrumental in planning and carrying out the "attacks?" Without a doubt.

But to suggest that ANY ethnic group "ran" 9/11 besides who really did--PNAC assholes bent on total World domination (and yes, that group was/is disproportionately Jewish without a doubt) is just plain ludicrous.

You think/believe what you'd like about me. I am Jewish...but I also strive to find the TRUTH in the chaos that swirls all around our heads. Sadly, more and more these days that "truth" (when it's bad news) has had Jews behind it in one form or another...most of them Zionist Likudnik terrorists. My biggest fear is that people will associate ME with "that type." And guess what? Now that more and more people are learning the real truth behind 9/11 (including the names) I have been faced with the first incident of "anti-semitism" (last year) in my entire life. And it all had to do with 9/11 and what "our people" did that day. Is this the impression that you want people to have about Jews? Because, I hate to tell you, that's what's happening. The Muslims and Christians are getting wise to the fact that someone wants them to slaughter each other--despite their very similar belief system (in a generalized sense of course).

Israel IS a terror state. Israel IS an apartheid state. These are true statements--as true as "the electron is too small to be seen with the naked eye." The only "true Jews" that will get up and acknowledge this fact nowadays is the Neturei Karta. And that's just sad. They are very brave men--but, also, they've nothing to lose. They've adhered to Torah Judaism--NOT Talmudic Judaism.

It's all ok though--we are watching karma unfold right before our very eyes as Israel, basically, commits suicide.

Our people have been expelled from, what is it, 109 countries?

My long-departed grandfather had an old Yiddish proverb he used much too often--but it certainly said it best. Roughly translated, it said "If one person calls you a horse, ignore them. If two people call you a horse, call them both donkeys. But if three people call you a horse...well then grandson, you'd better get fitted for a saddle and a feedbag!"

So many cliches you'd pick up here...

You're just one of those reddit nazi sociopathic liars making a new account. Of course you know this.

A Jew who says "Holohoax?"

Lol Jewry isn't a "storefront" word. It's used by Jews. I could find 100 examples.

This shooter was nothing but a Stormfront type who wanted to kill black people.

Good goy. Listen and believe.

Ooh, they're coming out of the woodwork now!

Remember, this is supposed to make you feel vaguely ashamed of being white, and supportive of anti-gun laws. Did you achieve the proscribed feelings? If not, be sure to watch more of the electric jew.

Tell me more about your feelings regarding Jews :>

My feelings are irrelevant, I don't let them control me, and I don't let the jews control my feelings.

"THE JEWS!"

"JEWWWWWWWS!"

Thank you for participating, you've been brilliant.

I'm genuinely curious, why do you participate in this subreddit if you insist on ignoring the elephant in the room?

I participate in this subreddit because I often question official stories, and think that the truth lies buried behind multiple layers of lies.

How 'bout you, user /u/BadGoyWithAGun?

because I often question official stories, and think that the truth lies buried behind multiple layers of lies

Then why do you ridicule people when they point out the jew hiding behind the final layer? If you're inherently prejudiced against taking on the jewish question, you'll very rarely see the truth.

To you, there's a Jew hiding behind every final layer, isn't there.

Think about why that is.

To a black supremacist, there's a white behind every terrible thing that happened to them. To a white supremacist, there's a member of another easily identifiable race, who is to blame for all their ills. Think about why this is so.

We have all been turned against one another. Someone out there is benefiting from this relationship. Think about who that might be. (Hint: it isn't "the Jews.")

Yeah, sorry OP but regards to your photoshop conspiracy there is nothing indicated here that it was changed. At least I cant see it, and I've starred at it for awhile. Great idea though, I like the idea!

Man, I wonder if I can find the actual Stormfront thread where these skinheads are coordinating this little project.

Your new friend here has.

(Actually, I don't think he's your new friend, I think you two have known each other for a while. Y'know. Because you both post on Stormfront.)

I've not worked specifically with ELA but I'm pretty familiar with image compression.