Endless posts about confederate flags while democracy is officially sold to Wall St.

leave this fucking site and let it die

Yep, time to head to voat.co.

Also Aether, and a facebook replacement that is already getting a lot of alternative media attention is minds.com.

Those look like real alternatives, being decentralized and open source. Voat is just a reddit clone with the same weak points

I've already created a conspiracy group on minds and i think there is already a conspiracy board on aether, but hardly anyone is using that program yet.

I remember reading about some questionable aspects of minds.com in a thread somewhere, such that their motives may be more insidious than they appear. Unfortunately I can't find the thread right now. I could be wrong, but from what I did read, I was convinced to switch to diaspora instead, as it's not hosted in a single location, but rather some of its users in various locations around the world. Just my two cents.

Edit: found the thread: https://voat.co/v/news/comments/144850 Edit2: Diaspora on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaspora_(social_network)

Ello.co is another alternative. They have a pretty solid bill of rights: https://bill-of-rights.ello.co/

Aether is apparently SJW trash, even more so than Tumblr. I would avoid it.

That's really too bad, the idea of it sounds really cool.

Proof?

Voat is the same mods as Reddit.

It was my understanding they fixed that.

How? Even if they did, the mods you don't like didn't just group up and state a coup here. Position by position, referral by referral power mods spread. By being a reddit clone it is ripe for new power mods to bloom.

Well, the first thing they did was snap up all our usernames. I'm not sure if you noticed, but I reported it and got mine back. Many others did as well. Then bipolartard tried to grab up mod positions all over there and once it came up I'm pretty sure I remember the admins got rid of that cancer too.

Not being a big complicated business yet, the admins have a lot more agility. And being that voat was born out of mod conspiracy, they are particularly sensitive to the problem. Maybe not perfect, but progress.

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IDK man... they're trying to oppress us too by getting rid of the JB subs.... /s

As if that will do anything about the state of representative democracy :/

Yes! I keep trying to point this out to people. Confederate flag this. Confederate flag that. Ummm did you not notice what the Senate just passed?

That's ALL the news stations are talking about, every single damn day on my way to and from work. Confederate flag blah...meanwhile the TPP is going through without a hitch.

We live in a constitutional republic, not a democracy, and Wall Street hasn't changed since at least the 80s.

Democracy exists now? I love how /r/conspiracy pretends the government is working just to attack a trade deal that brings people together

And gives away our right to regulate corporations in pretty much any way if the legislation impacts their profits. It effectively gives corporations sovereignty over governments. Is this good for democracy?

My wife just asked what TPP was. I said it gives corporations power over governments. That sunk in for me all of a sudden.

TPP passes and the newest post about TPP under /r/news is 11 days old. Yeaaaah no discussion allowed yous guise. They could at least be more subtle about the whole dicksuckiness of the kowtowing they do here. Jeeze. World's fucked,nice knowing you guys.

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It's freaky when you see a topic deleted like this, but it's not the first.

i had just gone over there and did a search sorted by new,all i got was an 11 day old post using TPP and Trans-pacific partnership as the search terms

This one was removed for being about politics. Has that ever been a rule there before?

"primarily concerns politics." That's in the sidebar, has it always been? And isn't a political event/vote quite a bit different than political opinion?

Just wait and watch all of the presidential election coverage that /r/news allows.

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Thought I would mention, click the "new" tab on /r/politics and the newest post is 14 days ago. Is there any sub besides this one which allows TPP to be discussed?

Prove it

http://m.imgur.com/4ecERIr

r/news mod explaining why they are deleting all TPP threads.

Politics is not news?!?!? Holy fuck. That is something that actually applies to people's real lives and voting patterns. I can understand now allowing reporting from someone's blog. But to reject hopefully neutral reporting from mainstream news organizations is insane.

I avoided subs like /r/poltics because you just can't have a decent discussion in there and it is so slanted. You need news reporting to get facts with as minimal slant as possible.

I don't think I've ever seen the FP of /r/news without at least one story which could be considered political.

I don't think I've ever seen the FP of /r/news without at least one story which could be considered political.

What a bunch of BS they spew. You can't get more political than the Confederate flag. There were 2 posts about it on the front page of r/news.

They are trying to turn /r/news into some boring shithole with posts only about social issues, Comcast and vaccines.

The fast track of a new trade deal isn't news?

Sad

that is way too much effort you ask of me. just go do it yourself. Unless you mean in regards to the kowtowing? or the worlds fuckedness part? What are you even asking me? Fuck you either way,i think. I'm not sure what's going on here anymore.

Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck

twice in that response. mountains outta mole hills and such. Fuck.

Go to r/news. Where is the discussion of this move by the US Senate?

Title doesnt say anything of tpp. no steam on this one.

http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/3augsq/obamas_trade_agenda_moves_passed_key_senate_hurdle/?submit_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2015%2F06%2F22%2Fpolitics%2Fobama-trade-deal-congress-tpp-tpa%2Findex.html&already_submitted=true

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THE BOTS ARE TAKING OVER!!!!!

WAKE UP SHEEPLE

Find articles about TPP. Share them with people you know. This is like when they passed the federal reserve act in 1913 on Christmas Eve. Get the word out.

Relevant TPP articles:-

The TPP, TISA (and TTIP in Europe) agreements are massive Corporate power grabs dressed up as trade deals http://ian56.blogspot.co.uk/2015/06/the-ttp-tisa-and-ttip-in-europe.html

Fast track for TPP, TTIP and TISA has just passed it's latest hurdle in the US Congress with 60 traitorous Senators voting for the Corporations and against the interests of 99% of people, to enable the anti democratic Fast Track process to proceed to the next stage

The list of the traitors that voted "yea" to fast track and voted for the Corporations and against you https://twitter.com/1Marchella/status/613389587805683712

Corporations Win Again: Senate Passes Obamatrade Fast-Track Bill http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-23/obama-faces-union-anger-ahead-corporate-coup-detat-trade-deal-fast-track-vote

Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP): Job Loss, Lower Wages and Higher Drug Prices http://www.citizen.org/TPP

TPP: The Dirtiest Trade Deal You've Never Heard Of https://youtu.be/DnC1mqyAXmw

“The corporations have bribed the political leaders in every country to sign away their sovereignty and the general welfare of their people to private corporations. Corporations have paid US senators large sums for transferring Congress’ law-making powers to corporations.” – Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, former Assistant Secretary to US Treasury, former editor of the Wall Street Journal

Rule By the Corporations - TTIP: The Corporate Empowerment Act http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/06/01/rule-corporations-paul-craig-roberts-3/

How Obama's "Trade" Deals Are Designed To End Democracy http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/06/how-obamas-trade-deals-are-designed-to-end-democracy.html

ISDS denies equal access to justice http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/judicial/244341-isds-denies-equal-access-to-justice

Leaked Text Shows Big Pharma Bullies Using TPP To Undermine Global Health http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/06/10/leaked-text-shows-big-pharma-bullies-using-tpp-undermine-global-health?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=reddit&utm_source=news

TTIP: Here's why MEPs have been protesting it, and why you should too http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/ttip-heres-why-meps-have-been-protesting-it-and-why-you-should-too-10313239.html

The TPP What You're Not Being Told https://youtu.be/KnyPsKw_gak

Revealed Emails Show How Industry Lobbyists Basically Wrote The TPP https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150605/11483831239/revealed-emails-show-how-industry-lobbyists-basically-wrote-tpp.shtml

Forget the TPP – Wikileaks Releases Documents from the Equally Shady “Trade in Services Agreement or TISA http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/06/forget-the-tpp-wikileaks-releases-documents-from-the-equally-shady-trade-in-services-agreement-or-tisa.html

Julian Assange on the Trans-Pacific Partnership: Secretive Deal Isn’t About Trade, But Corporate Control http://www.democracynow.org/2015/5/27/julian_assange_on_the_trans_pacific

10 Reasons Why You Should Oppose TPP and TTIP http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/21010-10-reasons-why-you-should-oppose-obamatrade

TPP Power Grab: World Bank, Goldman Sachs and the CFR http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/20589-tpp-power-grab-world-bank-goldman-sachs-cfr

Backlash Against TPP Grows as Leaked Text Reveals The Scam To Increase Drug Costs http://www.democracynow.org/2015/6/11/backlash_against_tpp_grows_as_leaked

Joseph Stiglitz: Why ‘Fast Track’ Was Defeated Once — and Why That Was the Right Decision http://www.rollcall.com/news/-242449-1.html?pg=1&dczone=emailalert

Also see fairly recent comments made by Elizabeth Warren about the concerns she has with ISDS.

The Trans-Pacific Partnership clause everyone should oppose http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/kill-the-dispute-settlement-language-in-the-trans-pacific-partnership/2015/02/25/ec7705a2-bd1e-11e4-b274-e5209a3bc9a9_story.html

Elizabeth Warren fires back at Obama: Here’s what they’re really fighting about http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2015/05/11/elizabeth-warren-fires-back-at-obama-heres-what-theyre-really-fighting-about/

I had some success posting the above comment out yesterday - http://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/3auskk/senate_passes_tpa_tpp_is_now_fast_tracked/csg795k?context=3

Thanks for taking the time.

Both of my Senators (D,D) opposed the fast track - to no avail.

too many of you don't seem to understand the phrase "illusion of choice."

Except the senators opposed TPP. So in this case there was a choice, those senators were just in the minority.

Except for the fact it was passed with exactly 60 votes in the Senate. That wasn't an accident.

Yeah, the amount of votes it got was exactly a multiple of the number of fingers on the human hands! Imagine that!

It needed 60 to pass...

too many of you don't seem to understand the phrase "illusion of choice".

Perhaps. But many of us do understand the term, and know when it applies.

almost certainly applied to all current politics in the two party election system.

Why thank you kindly.

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yeah exactly. In 10 years, if we still have free media, they'll be making documentaries about this, when the NWO hammer came down

I think I'm going to start sourcing an AK now.

We need to find ways to force the msm to report about this shit. if we can keep it in the news, get more people to write their congressmen/women, the tpp will be harder to push through. I wish we could start a campaign to do this here on reddit. but even if there were redditors that could and wanted to, I fear it would be hard to get any attention drawn to it from any of the main subs at least.

All you need is for more people to be aware, and those things will happen automatically because people do not want the TPP. Inform others, and they will be spurred to action.

TPTB are all up in here - everywhere & they don't want people to know wth is going on.

scary shit going down all around.

Fuck reddit. Fuck politicians. Fuck this.

We all know that there is massive censorship on Reddit's main boards.

This got immediately censored as "US internal news" because it is strongly critical of the trade deals, Congress and Obama, with good evidence http:/np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/3auijt/corporations_win_again_senate_passes_obamatrade/

While this on exactly the same subject from CNN, gushing that the Senate vote was a "victory" sailed through until the mods realized the top comment demolished these "trade" deals as a total disaster (this was shortly after the comment had been awarded some gold) http://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/3auskk/senate_passes_tpa_tpp_is_now_fast_tracked/csg795k?sort=top&context=3

The mods on the main boards really couldn't be any more obvious that they act as propaganda agents for Establishment / Corporate interests and act directly against the interests of their audience on Reddit.

What's TPP?

If you're being serious; TPP is a trade pact with extensive measures to support large corporations and fuck over workers and small business.

And the environment. And consumers.

This interview with the founder of WikiLeaks is very important and does a great job of explaining it

This article explains the recent leaks that specify how TPP will strengthen pharmaceutical monopolies

Essentially, TPP gives a ton of control to corporations. It worsens behavior that violates antitrust policy, expands spying, limits peer to peer sharing online, and way more that we don't know about.

Because it's written as a "treaty", it will be extremely difficult, if not impossible to get rid of because it takes the cooperation of all nations involved. Basically it's just a huge display of how money is poisoning politics.

Taken from eff.org:

What Is the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPP)?

The Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) is a secretive, multinational trade agreement that threatens to extend restrictive intellectual property (IP) laws across the globe and rewrite international rules on its enforcement. The main problems are two-fold:

(1) Intellectual Property Chapter: Leaked draft texts of the agreement show that the IP chapter would have extensive negative ramifications for users’ freedom of speech, right to privacy and due process, and hinder peoples' abilities to innovate.

(2) Lack of Transparency: The entire process has shut out multi-stakeholder participation and is shrouded in secrecy.

The twelve nations currently negotiating the TPP are the US, Japan, Australia, Peru, Malaysia, Vietnam, New Zealand, Chile, Singapore, Canada, Mexico, and Brunei Darussalam. The TPP contains a chapter on intellectual property covering copyright, trademarks, and patents. Since the draft text of the agreement has never been officially released to the public, we know from leaked documents, such as the May 2014 draft of the TPP Intellectual Property Chapter [PDF], that US negotiators are pushing for the adoption of copyright measures far more restrictive than currently required by international treaties, including the controversial Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA).

I don't know, that's why I'm asking

I think this may be the end of our being able to call them out about the things that they do.

Oh you can call them out, you'll just get shadowbanned and have your posts removed. What we need is an alternative, but the thing is that Reddit has become so bloated that jumping-ship might end up sinking the lifeboats, if you understand my meaning.

Reddit has become so bloated that jumping-ship might end up sinking the lifeboats, if you understand my meaning.

No, this is how inept they are. What they're doing is only slowing the migration and giving the "lifeboats" more time to prepare.

Voat.co is where I'm heading lol. This is getting ridiculous.

Care to provide links? i dont doubt it, but i just want to check what the "reasons" are for these deletings, becuase sometimes the mods do have legit excuses, though still excuses :)

EDIT: And the pissed off faux rationalist "awakend" ones start the downvote brigade. good to see /r/conspiracy accepting the non black and white reality of the world /s

not sure if it proves anything, but in the search result, the newest link about tpp is from 11 days ago. https://pay.reddit.com/r/news/search?q=tpp&restrict_sr=on&sort=new&t=all

Wow, no posts in the last week at all. That in itself is absolutely bizarre, considering all the stuff that's happened with the TPP in the last day or 2. Plenty of posts from 11 days ago and prior.

It really makes you think...

There have been posts. Mods just keep deleting them.

I posted this a few days ago. It made it to the FP then got deleted.

yah that is pretty dammning. I find it hard to belive that nobody at all would have tried to post anything TPP related in last 11 days...

Here are some examples www.reddit.com/r/undelete

thank you :)

Go to r/news. Where are the threads? You are either a shill or a fucking moron.

Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck

I realize TPP is big news, but as has been discussed frequently on this sub many people just don't care about politics. I don't think it is that far a leap to assume that maybe the TPP posts have just not been upvoted enough to be on the front page of /r/news. So excuse my horrendous act of wanting some decently solid evidence before believing something that someone posts. I realize i did minimal research on my own, but that was on purpose because i know for a fact, like many have pointed out, that /r/undelete exists and i could have gone there, but many other people are too lazy or uninformed to do things like that, so if the OP took the time to provide sources this post could have a much more positive impact. And for future reference, ad hominin attacks are the lowest form of discussion so you might want to rethink that argument that i am a shill and moron, because those are opinionated fact less attacks that have a tint of irony because you assumed that my comment was a "shill" or in other words a politically biased and opinionated thought, much like you just expressed :)

Did you see not one TPP post in 11 days? Bullshit.

Did you even read the post that you replied to? i lay out accurate reason's for wanting sources, and why it might be believable that this is simply another facet of the public not caring.

Care to provide links? i dont doubt it, but i just want to check what the "reasons" are for these deletings, becuase sometimes the mods do have legit excuses, though still excuses :)

Yeah. It sounds totally made up to me. I've noticed a pattern: A sure way to get a lot of upvotes is to claim something is being systematically deleted or that you have had an account banned. That plays into the mindset of so many people that even without any evidence at all it's a guaranteed way to get upvotes.

People really should read up on confirmation bias. Just because a story fits perfectly into your world view doesn't mean it's true. And people will take advantage of those who are too willing to believe anything that confirms their biases.

I agree that conformation bias plays a huge part in this sub's mentality. Knowing about it is half the work to stopping it after all so if they did read up on it we might have more critical thought. and re the north korea thing, also straight on point. Its not manipulation if its for "their" cause eh? i always enjoy meeting someone who is open and i needed this now so thank you XD

After I typed this I thought it might sound like I'm lecturing you, and I really don't mean to sound that way, so I'm adding this up at the top. I just want to put all this down even though I know you already get it. Don't mean to imply you needed to hear this from me!

I agree that conformation bias plays a huge part in this sub's mentality.

Really I think it plays a big part in all politically-oriented subs. Conservative, libertarian, liberal, socialist. Noam Chomsky - who many here hate, and many here love - first made me aware of this problem: When we make accusations about our enemies, no one asks for evidence. And if anyone does dare to ask for evidence, they are attacked as subversives. And on the other hand, any accusation directed at our own side is met with demands for extensive, elaborate evidence.

Chomsky was talking specifically about the Cold War: Back then you could say anything about the Soviet Union and get away with it. Entire careers were built writing books filled with lies about the Soviets, and you could get away with it because no one wanted to appear to be sticking up for the Soviets.

On the other side, if anyone ever dared to criticize the US government they were first called a traitor and then would be asked to provide detailed proof of every claim. And you could never produce enough evidence to satisfy them.

The same happened in 2002 and 2003 when Bush was marching the country to war. The claims about WMD were obviously bullshit. But those who asked for evidence were said to be defending Saddam Hussein. We ended up making a disaster out of Iraq in part because dissent was not allowed.

This is how confirmation bias works, in a nutshell. In /r/conspiracy it plays out like this: Reddit is considered the enemy, and it is considered to be beyond dispute that Reddit is actively engaged in an effort to repress freedom and help "TPTB" to impose totalitarianism.

People who believe this are desperate for anything that reinforces this theory. So they welcome threads like this one without question.

Right now you could click that "Submit a New Link" button and start a thread about how you're being repressed by Reddit, and if you make up a half-way believable story, you'll have 450 upvotes in 2 hours. (OP didn't even try to make up a believable story; it's shitpost that took no effort and he already made it to the front page.)

Knowing about it is half the work to stopping it after all so if they did read up on it we might have more critical thought

Amen! And that's what we need. This is an important sub and one of the very few places people have the courage to speak out about a lot of hugely important subjects. But a lot of it is lost in a cloud of poorly sourced claims and authoritarian bullying of anyone who wants the evidence necessary to construct a sound argument. If we are going to change the world, we can't do it without solid arguments based in fact.

i always enjoy meeting someone who is open and i needed this now so thank you XD

Likewise! Good to meet you. :-)

It is well known by now that there has been censorship at Reddit in favor of the establishment for a long time and and is well documented. It would not be unrealistic to think this story is also being censored. In reality I would rather this post turn into a discussion about the TPP and censorship than read a bunch of posts insulting the sub and its users. By far most of the posts here at least attempt to prove what they are presenting, and sometimes it's speculation that turns out to be wrong, but that's ok and is what r/conspiracy is for. Many conspiracies are hard to prove but can be seen only by linking a number of anomalies together. If this isn't good enough for you and you need hard evidence before you can entertain a thought than maybe this isn't the sub for you.

It is well known by now that there has been censorship at Reddit in favor of the establishment for a long time and and is well documented.

Oh good, I'm glad it has been well documented. Please point me to the documentation.

Go through the top posts over at r/undelete. That should keep you busy for a while.

Most subs don't allow multiple duplicate threads. On popular topics, a lot of people submit identical or similar threads. Some subs embrace this, but most discourage it and will delete duplicates.

This is not evidence that a global conspiracy of elites is controlling debate on reddit. It's evidence that normal moderators are moderating their subs in exactly the way they said they would.

Wow I had no idea that r/undelete serves no purpose whatsoever! It's naive to think that certain entities would not want to attempt to control the discussion on a site with millions of users. You asked for the documentation, there it is. Some posts may be because of duplicates, (although there have been cases where that is used as the excuse but in fact there was no duplicate, or using the duplicate posts to ban each other until they are all banned), but to deny that censorship is present at all is just disingenuous and an outright lie.

Wow I had no idea that r/undelete serves no purpose whatsoever!

Who said that?

It's naive to think that certain entities would not want to attempt to control the discussion on a site with millions of users.

I agree. But saying that "certain entities" would like to control the discussion is not the same as saying that those entities are controlling the discussion. You need more than mere motive. Certain entities would like to empty all the money out of the bank, too. But that doesn't prove they are bank robbers. If you're going to allege a specific act, you need evidence of a specific act. Not merely motive.

If you want to speculate, go for it. But remember: You said it is "well documented." /r/Undelete is not that documentation. It merely shows threads that have been deleted.

to deny that censorship is present at all

I'm not denying that at all. What you call "censorship" is clearly present. But you have yet to produce evidence that the censorship is being done systematically by or on behalf of "the establishment" across all of reddit, as you seem to be suggesting. There are mods who delete stuff for perfectly legitimate reasons. Threads that violate the sub's rules, for example. There are also politically motivated mods who repress opinions they don't like; this is a human failing and happens across ideologies and many subs. But normal people can sign up for reddit, and normal people can become mods. Some of those people will abuse that power to delete opinions they don't like. But that doesn't even come close to proving "the establishment" is deleting TPP stories across Reddit.

No, you just refuse to review the evidence. It's fine, we know where your interests lie.

How big is this rock you've been living under?

In reality I would rather this post turn into a discussion about the TPP and censorship than read a bunch of posts insulting the sub and its users.

Me too. Let's start by not giving them any ammunition to attack us or the sub.

sometimes it's speculation that turns out to be wrong, but that's ok

I agree entirely. A lot of ideas would never get discussed or explored at all if we required a super high degree of evidence before even starting a discussion.

But far too often people mask their speculation as cold statements of fact. You can't do that and retain credibility. If you are speculating, say so. Don't declare your theory to be a fact unless you know it is a fact.

That is fine, and I don't disagree, where I have a problem is when people portray the sub as a joke and all its users as a bunch of gullible idiots. I must have read a similar comment like that at least a dozen times this week.

You dare ask for a source in /r/conspiracy? The folks in here eschew that hivemind mentality and just upvote any headline that gives the slightest appearance of their rights being trampled on.

But don't worry - I'm sure there will be a very poorly produced YouTube video about it soon enough, Mister "Asks For Links Like a Shill."

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Seeing as your account is 11 days old, and this comment accounts for 1/4th of your total comment input, i am currently wondering who's alt account you are. At any rate, i can sympathize with him becuase some of the content on here is decent quality, however even the low quality submissions you can try to help facilitate discussion so that person's next submission is of higher quality.

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You're such An asshole. You're doing this oh purpose.

lol yah. I feel like there is a 70/30 balance skewed toward misinfo, but i say 70/30 becuase i have seen some genuinely thoughtful and provocative ideas that were well researched in this sub.

stfu you gullible naive fuck

shut up asking for evidence? even after i said i dont doubt this is a mod coverup? if you cant examine both sides you cant decide what is right and wrong, now can you. You are just as bad as the government if you condone blind information. just becuase you are on the opposite side doesnt make it any less draconian and controlling.

Just think how dangerous and anti-intellectual a mindset it is that smashes and destroys anything that dares to question a preconceived notion. You dare to ask for evidence of a completely empty claim made by OP and some people consider that treason.

It's really a fascist mindset. This is how the communists ran the Soviet Union, and how they run North Korea. No one is allowed to question. Anyone who does is cast out and punished.

Just because we're in /r/conspiracy doesn't mean we're free from thought controllers and thought police. Everyone downvoting you might as well work for North Korea.

This emotional rhetoric comparing users to historical authority figures is sophistry. Users cannot be like the authority figures of the Soviet Union or North Korea, they have little power. The moderators and admins are the logical objects of any such allegory.

There is actual proof of this. Look at /r/undeleteshadow. Single digit ranked posts deleted from subs like /r/news, /r/worldnews, /r/politics, etc.

I only see around 2 to 4 that are relevant that were deleted. Did you see more? Wonder if they're covering their tracks everywhere.

Here's one that was deleted in just the last few hours:

http://www.reddit.com/r/longtail/comments/3axnmr/24140896_transpacific_partnership_fast_track/

And here is an entire thread posted on r/undelete about all the deleted TPP posts: "TPP related articles are not showing up in the r/news feed. I feel like this needs to be known.[META]"

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FUCK OFF BOT! YOU'RE A SLAVE TO THE ILLUMINATI!

In any thread that DOES survive, it is usually full of shills too. Real life, paid shills.

I made a thread about this yesterday and had someone replying to every comment in the thread, trying to convince them that the mods were 100% justified in removing news about the TPP passing because it's "purely political" while at the same time arguing the mods are completely justified in keeping news posts about other legislative actions, AND an article on the Charleston shooter's campaign donations.

It's /r/news. /r/news is like /r/worldnews without the mods pretending to be unbiased. If the admins let it be a default subreddit, you know better than to think you are going to get unbiased content. You are going to get content filtered to shape the perceptions of the audience in accordance with what big media spews. Did you really think they were going to let young minds slip out of their grasp?

This is fucked. I'm moving to Voat for good. Before I'd spend a bit of time there and most of my time here, now I'm spending my time on Voat. FUCK REDDIT.

Lockdown!! Sit back and enjoy the final desperation of terrorized protectors gripping delicate secrets, as if they could, with a gust of wind, preserve a snowfall from the blaze of the New Summer Sun.

thanks for being positive :D!

Enjoy Ellen Pao'$ reddit.

It's really not surprising, sadly. They claim it's too difficult for us 'plebs' to understand it, but when we ask for it to look over it with a fine-tooth comb they'll come up with lots of excuses to not let us see it. They just want to make sure it passes before people have time to look at what it means for individuals, businesses and heck even nations.

WTF

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You got that all backwards. The top don't fall off their perches, they buy everything for cheap, and everyone else ends up as slaves.

"They" already have plans for post-collapses, and it involves the "rest of us" getting screwed over AGAIN for the NEXT 100 years.

now we know where pao is getting her money to pay for those court costs.

When the revolution starts, remember that bullets, bombs, and drones are their weapons- their strengths. Do not play to their strengths.

I remember the first time I saw this happen, which was with that elderly Indian guy that the police slammed down to the ground and paralyzed. I simply couldn't believe that every story was getting removed, even from anti-police subreddits.

So now this story getting removed doesn't surprise me much. I think we have to expect this going forward, especially with government imposed net neutrality and that ruling that website are held liable for user comments. They're going to slowly impose censorship and we'll never see any headline about it.

What is TPP if I may ask?

http://www.democracynow.org/2015/5/27/julian_assange_on_the_trans_pacific

Discussion seems to be at voat.co (sadden by /r/worldnews thread being nuked =/)

Thanks!

The senate will give Obama fast track authority. The powers that be are likely intentionally inciting a race war to blind people to it, and they are already all talking about taking away gun access. oh yeah....and gays get to marry this week (paint targets onto themselves for the people mad about the religious zealots that will set themselves on fire?) It really looks like an intentionally brewed perfect storm.

Is it time for an American strike? Seems a peaceful, yet forceful message. The only voice that matters these days seems to be that of the 1%.

r\news reminds me of Digg. When it became harder and harder to post anything there, I got bored and left. My personal experience regarding r\news here on reddit can be summed up with this recent screencap of my comment history:/

and posts bout usa sending heavy weapons to east europe

My submission to /r/news has 1 upvote and no comments in 12 hours.

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So, how does a lad go about getting himself banned these days?

It's so funny to watch the developments on SJW Stalinist Reddit.

Wonderful, wonderful.

come on over to voat.co !

Reddit is an arm of the machine, big time.

This should come as no surprise.

WHAT IS TPP YOU STUPID FUCKING ASSHOLES????

TPP stands for Trans Pacific Partnership. Its a "trade" deal with 12 Pacific Rim countries - the US, Australia, Brunei Darussalam, Canada, Chile, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore, and Vietnam.

This is what we know about it so far:-

The TPP, TISA (and TTIP in Europe) agreements are massive Corporate power grabs dressed up as trade deals http://ian56.blogspot.com/2015/06/the-ttp-tisa-and-ttip-in-europe.html

What's TPP? The new metal gear that's coming out?

In the off chance you're being serious.

Trans Pacific Partnership

I wanna be surprised by this, but it's pretty fucking obvious the SJW cunts who run Reddit are easily bought.

Why are posts about TPP being deleted?

Hate to say it but reddit seems to be going out of their way to censor the TPP threads or the mods of the news subreddits are.

Its more or less the same with mass media blockout of the TPP as well, after the vote probably there will be news on it when it isn't no longer debatable...

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I posted about the TTP and it was deleted.

quick search of /r/politics for trans pacific partnership, sort by: new

results: there doesn't seem to be anything here

They used to delete the wikipedia entry on North American Union repeatedly,

Keep posting stuff guys

So depressing. What can we do about this? Are corporations just destined to run the world at this point? Sure seems like it to me..

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Well said. Are you organizing in your area?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capture

the problem with their model is that the engine of prosperity has been the middle class. Without a middle class the upper class just gets smaller and richer and the number of destitute gets bigger. T $CHAR $CHAR A is trying to play the well educated but jobless from poor countries off against the uneducated former middle class in competition for the same jobs in the developed countries.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/23/trade-winners-losers_n_7649378.html

Winners:

• Republican Senate leader

• PhRMA

• Nike

Losers:

• Labor Unions

• Senate Democrats

• Sick and Poor

ugh...

Any news worth hearing is going to be censored from Reddit. It's mainly a disinformation website now. I think I'll try Voat.co

get rid of that bitch.

Did you know Advance Publications (the media company that owns reddit) is owned by Discovery Communications?

discovery communications is co-run with John Malone, the largest private landowner in America, who is also about to get Time Warner Cable merged to his Liberty Group. This makes them the 2nd biggest cable company in the U.S. (Comcast has 27 million subscribers, Liberty+TimeWarner Cable would have 22 mil). And they will have the largest footprint of cable network.

Liberty also is the world's largest cable company. And now Vodafone, world's 2nd largest mobile operator is thinking of mergin with Liberty. This would make them the biggest cable & wireless company in Europe.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/28/us-vodafone-liberty-investors-idUSKBN0OD2HC20150528

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/jun/05/vodafone-liberty-global-asset-swap-talks

Edit: added links

See at first I thought Reddit was indepent. Then I learned about Advance Publications, then I learned about their stake with Discovery Communications... and now this.

It doesn't get much more corporate and mainstream than Reddit.

As i understand it, a big part of the business model for a great many web sites and computer hardware and software companies now is surveillance.

No that isn't a typo.

We don't want people talking about the Bilderberg Group, Bohemian Grove, or Skull and Bones. In fact, we'd rather you think they don't exist, and immediately identify anyone who mentions these groups as crazy conspiracy nuts.

they came for fat people haters and i did nothing because i didnt hate fat people...

There is nothing we can do to change it. It is what it has always been.

Even better than diaspora: friendica But those are more like Facebook, not like reddit

http://www.reddit.com/r/AdviceAnimals/comments/3b59wi/dont_fall_for_the_medias_trick/

look at the comments in this thread...

"quit your alex jones shit"

"/r/conspiratard"

The website's rotten to the core.

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This helps to protect the whomever is trying to prevent democracy from being possible.

Regulatory capture 20 years ago has turned into State Capture today. What is that? Read up on Capture Theory

What's TPP?

No way man! There's nothing wrong with reddit! Anyone who says differently is just a pedophile from voat! Ellen Pao is god!

I haven't seen one remotely credible argument against the dynamics of the trade deal. Someone please present one . The American worker currently has endless opportunity and I'm in an internal conflict because I can't choose which option I want to pursue .

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We are not certain that those voting don't know the dynamics. We are in political season and politics are being played .

We live in a representative democracy and the rules have been public for almost 250 years. If you don't trust the representatives then why did you do nothing but wait until now to complain on reddit ?

Don't trust your representative ? Then you can legally organize to have him removed or you can organize a campaign for a new representative in the next election . If our reps are so bad then you should have used your legal rights to prevent them from being elected in the previous election .

And I believe the dynamics will be revealed for 60 days and our reps have the right to vote ya or na. If you don't like the rules then exercise your rights accordingly .

You presented no argument and instead you gave me a series of links . I am reading through them now but your argument is still weak and you are not advancing your position .Most of these articles are bloated with complaining words and present no real argument either.

Now how does this deal hurt democracy ? Are you allowed to vote in the next election ? Can you still register to be a lobbyist and open your own PAC for free across the country ? Does the judicial branch and court systems still exist ? Does Congress still have ultimate leverage ? The answer to all these questions are yes and so democracy still exists .

It seems most of the links you sent me complain about a new arbitration system for corporations who cross borders . How does this affect democracy ? If you don't like a corporation then don't use its services . Don't want Big Pharma? Then don't go to the doctor ? Don't like big banks ? Then use a local credit union or Bitcoin . Don't like surveillance ? Then stop using the private services of phone makers and telecoms . Don't like food in the supermarket ? Then grow your own with the tools for sale in Wal Mart. Don't like copyright infringement rules ? Then look for free content or better yet create your own content !! I've never seen a corporation force anyone to use their service and as long as this is the case then our political system is still in tact . Have you ever tried bringing a corporation to court in the current system ? Good luck and you will get NOWHERE!

And finally ...we don't have a absolute democracy . We have a representative democracy . These are 2 different systems and the politicians and lobbyists are playing by the very transparent rules set in place .

Where is your counter argument ?

multiple threads with 5-6000 upvotes about TPP have been removed from /r/news

Sorry. That's just not believable. Stop trolling the sub.

It's actually happening a hell of a lot lately,

And with many more subjects than this

Maybe you should review the available evidence instead of plastering this thread with the same invalid denial.

Found the Shill ^ ^{^} ^

Well, one of them anyway.

Do a search, I did, and there's been nothing for 11 days - and in that time it was passed!

thanks for being positive :D!

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Well said. Are you organizing in your area?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capture