This place is severely gamed
84 2015-07-02 by metabolix
All the legitimate commentors are being heavily downvoted, skewing the information new people who stumble on this sub receive. I used to feel glad this sub existed for us, but now even that is gone.
44 comments
27 ohlook_abird 2015-07-02
I've gotten that feeling too, and not only about downvotes.
If you look at posts from /u/OWNtheNWO (who I firmly believe shares some of the best info on this sub) it seems they put a target on his/her head. Vote fluctuation, comment harrassment, repetitive attempts to discredit shared articles, you name it.
If you're reading this, please don't let em get to you. In the end, I think that's a big goal of theirs, to get the brightest thinkers and those vigilant to share all they can to either explode under pressure or outright leave the website.
15 OWNtheNWO 2015-07-02
Thanks I appreciate that, there are far better self-posters than me, I'm just a news hound and I'm far from perfect, I get shit wrong - but I also won't let personal bias about websites or media personalities dissuade me from posting an article if I think it's good or worthwhile in some way to help better understand the overall puzzle. I know I have a reputation of Infowars and NaturalNews and I do like a lot of the articles they post, but I also post from many other sites, that vary wildly in their personal politics.
I'm the type of person that censorship or gangstalking or other shit like that just makes me double down.
7 ohlook_abird 2015-07-02
Honestly, that's one of the best parts about this sub, it gives us the chance to fully dissect each video or article, take a bit of info from each stance [whether it be alt media, self-posts, mainstream, or blatant propaganda filth] and -hopefully- get just one piece of the 1 trillion piece puzzle, even if we don't quite know where it fits yet.
The downside is the clearly biased folk that want to act like they know EXACTLY what is going on, but it's been pretty easy to notice them and shrug them off. In example, anything mentioning chemtrails brings forth the vapor brigade, instead of critically analyzing anything that clearly comes from a plane, we are called dumb and told "vapor, shut up," and given no absolute proof.
This forum should always be about critical thinking and debate, not ultimate truths, for those are so few and far between in the world today that I doubt anyone here has even one, but together is where we can begin to put this puzzle together.
4 sweatpants7 2015-07-02
Infowars and NaturalNews. Found myself there a lot over the years, have mixed feelings about them but still, what they present is more believable than the MSM. I guess we all have our ways of trying to wake people up and different subjects we pick on. I've been talking about the sky spraying business to people for years, it's important to me, I see it everyday, I know it's very hard to reach people about it, one of those conspiracies camouflaged by "obviousness".
3 OWNtheNWO 2015-07-02
The eugenics based issues usually have the most propaganda flak around them. Fluoride, vaccines/poison medicine in general, gmo/pesticides, geoengineering, Agenda 21.
3 sweatpants7 2015-07-02
Being a gardener and understanding the value of real food with proper mineral and vitamin content, that stuff really hits me.
Now I found a new button to push that's even more hated than chemtrails it seems. Spectator Sports
2 OWNtheNWO 2015-07-02
They know what heals you, they know what hurts you and they've scientifically and methodically plotted out what will hurt you. For example, the petrochem companies intentionally sold formulas with endocrine hormone disrupting petrochems in them for many times less than hormone disrupting free formulas, even though there was no difference in the production cost.
2 iamboblazar 2015-07-02
I like your attitude man! Seriously you are one of the posters that I KNOW I have seen quality content from, glad to hear you're not letting them tread on ya.
0 trinsic-paridiom 2015-07-02
Yeah, thats your problem, IMHO. Some sites are clearly there to spread dis-info.
4 OWNtheNWO 2015-07-02
Or it's just people, who are just like you with their own biases effecting things, also this accusation is always leveled against alternative outlets but the MSM is never, never held to the same standards. It doesn't matter how much bullshit the NYT has fed people they still swoon over it reporting on something, but if some random alt outlet gets any little thing wrong you will never hear the end of it.
1 redorblu 2015-07-02
infowars is >90% aggregated from other sources, posting a story found there means nothing, it wasn't written by alex "seedguy" jones.
7 neuropathica 2015-07-02
Thanks for your words of encouragement. I have wanted to be active in this sub but it seems like a mine field. In the broader world, there is a HUGE stigma for questioning the official version of events. I have a hard time explaining that I'm not out to see everything as manipulated by aliens but that I might be believing the collective yet unofficial voices about America engaging in foreign covert operations. I've found youtube is helpful and I've been watching lots of episodes of Alternative Views and hopefully will find some current sources and find people wanting to engage in conversation about the whole spectrum of what is really going on or what really happened.
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12 OWNtheNWO 2015-07-02
Oh, I have sockpuppets now, that's good to know, thanks 4 day old neonazi shill account.
4 ohlook_abird 2015-07-02
All you are doing is proving my point there, laddy. Thank you.
1 neuropathica 2015-07-02
Wha??
1 mojo45678 2015-07-02
I agree. While i think some of his posts are little more than crackpot theories, i also think he has a right to post them regardless, and that some of his posts are actually interesting tidbits that help piece together the puzzle. We live in such a totalitarian age of information. ideas are mocked because they didn't come from the right source of information, regardless of content. Rational unbiased thought is hard to come by now, whether it is IRL or on reddit. And when i say unbiased thought, i dont just mean anti-authoritarian thought, i mean all thoughts regardless of political view, just thoughts that are well researched and open to new ideas.
2 OWNtheNWO 2015-07-02
Don't understand why you are being downvoted, you are entitled to your opinion. You're wrong though, most aren't theories, in fact I'll usually preface a post that is a personal theory as such. Have you ever seen that image that is a giant word TRUTH, but then a magnifying glass is looking at every individual little lie the 'TRUTH' is made up of, that is, in essence what you are experiencing, you think these things are outlandish or absurd, but you have not looked at the compendium of little lies that make up what you perceive as the truth.
2 mojo45678 2015-07-02
I will give you that. I don't spend nearly the time i should checking your sources before my inner mind writes them off. I find that the more i actually read the articles and source check, the more i believe them. I guess i am just not at the point yet when i am ready to jump into the deep end, i am still just taking small nibbles here and there :) keep up the good work!
1 OWNtheNWO 2015-07-02
I've been doing this for 10 years. It's hard to really put in the time necessary to fully research these topics. AGW and carbon taxes is a perfect example, it's two industries (coal and oil) at each other throats, with a bunch of other vultures using it as a global regulatory control system to get their greedy talons in and create a multi trillion dollar industry off of a lifecycle (carbon) of the planet. It's the same level of insanity as Monsanto trying to patent plant seeds and then waging copywrong warfare against people who's properties they've infected, not the other way around.
10 dsfkjsd 2015-07-02
Agreed reddit is dead. Front page has a chem-trails comic poking fun at conspiracy guys that follow the evidence. Another pro war article about a dissident NK doctor that fled to Finland with 16 gigs of war crimes. Shills all over this board.
If these fucks want to be poisoned and have their children poisoned good. Fuck em If they want WW3 with NK and Iran and Russia and China dropping nukes on their kids good. Fuck em
If these people still cannot wake up and refuse no matter what you tell em. Fuck em they are worthless to me now and even more worthless when what we have tried to wake them up to happens. Future is not looking to rosey and I think I will enjoy watching my neighbors eat their young because they were to stuck on stupid to do anything to stop it.
2 sebastiansly 2015-07-02
Attacking your world view is also a form of warfare. Pump people full of negativity and hopelessness about the current state of the world and people check out. People give up and start turning to distractions from reality - like we all do here on reddit or with TV/video games/cell phones.
It's like that Allegory of the Cave
It's not that people are just callous dicks - I actually think the average person has a big heart and wants to help/do something. The oligarchs/elite have been controlling human kind generation after generation perfecting the art of "farming" people. Propaganda, advertising, brain studies, meta data analysis, etc.
-7 joinedforthis 2015-07-02
What evidence?
2 whatisauthority 2015-07-02
look up.
-1 joinedforthis 2015-07-02
And I will see evidence of what exactly?
0 whatisauthority 2015-07-02
vaportrails bro
0 joinedforthis 2015-07-02
I'm at work so I can't access youtube right now, I'll be sure to check out the video when I get home.
1 whatisauthority 2015-07-02
its literally 15 seconds have a nice day at work :D
4 drneckula 2015-07-02
Coming soon "Pick up that can, you fucking pleb"
2 oscarvilla556 2015-07-02
where's a better place to go you know? you guys are really my only true source of information but even then i still dont know which what to believe.
1 redwormcharlie 2015-07-02
join us over at /r/ConspiracyV2
1 FutureBreedMachine66 2015-07-02
why is it closed?
0 spasticbadger 2015-07-02
can I get an invite?
0 lemonriot 2015-07-02
Can I join the club?
0 Pigbristle 2015-07-02
Please tell..... how one becomes an 'approved submitter' to enter?
0 seaweed124 2015-07-02
invite plz.
0 jacks1000 2015-07-02
No thanks, I would never join a club that would have me as a member.
1 redwormcharlie 2015-07-02
LOL
1 timo1200 2015-07-02
And if you do not believe it is severely gamed, just wait till this gets to the top and watch the votes change....
1 lakdaddy 2015-07-02
Couldn't agree more. Thank you for posting.
0 digdog303 2015-07-02
You must be new here. There have been several awesome stickied posts in this sub across the past year or so detailed precisely how fucked reddit is.
2 whatisauthority 2015-07-02
look up.