Your mixing two topics up. One can still believe in objective reality irrespective of whether they believe the earth is round or flat.

I see and respect your belief. But for sake of completeness, what are the amateur experiments you were referring to?

So, no. Gotcha

If you want to look into something interesting. Check out Hindu cosmology and apply it to the flat earth theory. Very interesting parallels and their talk of lokas refer to dimensions.

I'm with you on the quantum mechanics and the observer. If this is the case...we are the creators. We are god essentially. All of us. The planet, universe, matter, everything exists because we are observing it. The theory goes if all life is wiped away on earth then theoretically the universe won't exist because there is morning less to observe it. Unless of course you count aliens; but that's a different conversation. If we are the observers and it exists because of us...we are the creators, we are god. The universe and the stars and everything celestial is for us. Lots of ancient cultures preached about spirituality and connecting the spirit to the universe. Hell the dogon culture had hieroglyphs for string theory. The ancient knowledge of connecting the spirit and body to nature, the universe, and the collective conscious is something that we've lost over thousands of years.

However if we are the creators of the universe, and it all revolves around us, and we have this untapped spiritual potential that hasn't been used in thousands of years....all of a sudden we are a lot more significant and important.

We are no longer just monkeys on a rock tucked away in a corner of the universe but the center of it all b

Well it was a misinterpretation; Elohim is plural. It's "made in our image" so the aliens could be a more advanced us. I'm a big supporter of ancient astronomer theory but where these ancient astronauts came from is a different story. Different dimensions or different planets? Or both? But either way, there was a highly advanced civilization around thousands of years ago that is no longer here. The origins of said civilizations is like i said; the debate. Angels, giants, the sons of god and man, annunaki, hopi's sky people, quetzcotal....all coming from the sky, influencing us, and is no longer around.

As for this being an experiment....I believe it's more "we are spiritual beings having a physical experience." Is the relationship between the brain and the consciousness like a generator? The brain generates consciousness? If this is the case when the brain (generator) dies, so does the consciousness. But what if The relation is more like a tv signal (consciousness) to a tv (brain)? When the brain(tv) dies, the signal is still there.

As for who built the dome? Let's address this actual dome. There are increasingly more and more findings over underground lakes and bodies of water at the bottom of bodies of water that are so salty we can't even enter them. Water separates by water. "So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so."

Now the dome above....the filament...Hindu cosmology puts the doke essentially where the Oort Cloud is. Encompassing our system. Or you can apply it to the van Allen belts and the fact we can't get out of LEO.

And as great as a revolution sounds. I don't think that's preventing a mass awakening/understand the universe. That change is gonna come from inside you.

When the flat earth argument is:

• You just aren't in the right mindset to understand!

• If you don't agree with me you haven't done enough research.

and

• I won't believe any of your sources, but check out this YouTube video that I believe is absolute proof the earth is flat!

it doesn't interest me at all. Every question they have posed has been answered. Every point they have made is refuted. They are basing their argument/theory simply on disbelief.

I read it. I explained what flat earthers say. I've looked into it much longer than you, and have had discussions with people here before you posted this. I'm not sure what you're getting at.

You've already got two of the main pushers of it in this thread. Missing two more. I'm sure they'll show up.

I read the damn OP dude.

Its manufactured because people from /r/TopMindsOfReddit have admitted to coming here and pushing the flat earth theory to make this sub look stupid.

My main point was that flat earthers simply resort to saying everything is faked, our sources are untrustworthy, and our math is wrong and inconclusive. When pushed for their evidence they resort to insults. They are trolling.

It's the fact that so many people could believe the Earths flat

Can you guesstimate a number here? Cuz lots of people believe in Scientology too, but...

We live our lives at the molecular level, so the whole quantum physics stuff does not apply in this way. It's like saying that from studying the brick from one house, I can tell everything about the town the house is in.

I would suggest to you a strange new idea; maybe it's both, or rather, is neither.

I'm out.

Quantum mechanics has led us to discover that reality as we know it does not exist

Since when?

without an observer; particles are simply waveforms until they are observed.

Do you know why that is?

This universe is holographic

Got proof of that?

All the colors and tastes you experience are just electrical signals in your brain

Ok yeah you're right about that.

Like 80 years ago. And the evidence has been mounting since then. Mainstream science just refuses to apply the findings to any scale larger than the quantum scale because it would force us to reconsider our entire perspective on reality. It stems from the same type of denialism that the believers in flat earth practice. Globe earth contradicts the bible so they refuse to believe it. Quantum physics contradicts newtonian physics, so scientists that spent their entire lives operating from that view point refuse to believe that it could have been an incorrect one. People have a really hard time letting go of preconceived notions. Check out the double slit experiment.

I'm not OP, but /r/holofractal discusses all of the questions you purposed. I'd personally recommend you look at the work of Nassim Haramein, as he's one of the leading researchers on the topic.

You are mis-interpreting the idea of an observation. A particle does not need an intelligence to 'see' it to exist as a particle, any interaction with any other particle or energy will do the job.

I love the quotation marks :)

I'm very glad that the Streisand effect is starting to take off with this topic. The only thing holding back Flat Earth truth is that people are too afraid to look into it; the more it shows up, the more people will start wondering what it's all about and end up looking into it, especially when they keep telling you "there's nothing to see here".

I'm a real person and I really believe there is a massive 'global' conspiracy that encompasses the governments and militaries of the world. My spouse and good friends are all Flat Earthers; in fact, everyone I can get to take the topic seriously long enough to learn something new ends up becoming a Flat Earther as well. It wasn't until I took Flat Earth seriously enough to try to debunk it that I ended up a Flat Earther.

If you have any debunkings that actually refute the central point as to the lack of any detectable curvature and lack of any detectable motion, please share them. I'm not interested in debating though; you can go start a new thread and talk about something as obvious as controlled demolition on 9/11 in /r/conspiracy and always have someone to argue with.

How do you explain satellites then? How do you explain that our understanding of gravity perfectly fits with spherical planets? How about GPS - the math is VERY simple and relies only on time differences of arrival and you can get your location in 3D space.

I worked at NASA and worked on a project for a satellite. I even saw it myself in the clean room. I also have worked with GPS, and the thing is that for it to work anywhere on Earth, the GPS satellites broadcast their position and the time. Using 4 or more satellites you can compute where you are. That data is readable by anyone with a GPS receiver, and it just would not work if the earth were flat. The math is fairly simple, you could takw the data and run it yourself if you knew how. And there is no way to "fake" the GPS positions and still have it work for everyone. That is the ultimate proof that the Earth is round IMO. You can use the data yourself and if you understand the math you know there aren't enough degrees of freedom for it to be fake. Not sure what you are talking about with Tesla.

I know who Tesla is, just not what it has to do with GPS.

I worked on image processing algorithms, I didn't see the launch. Doubtful you could see most satellites from the surface - you can't really see people from an airplane, and satellites are farther away than that.

Regardless, GPS is the ultimate proof the Earth is round.

Also everything is just a word. But words represent concepts.

I don't know if GPS is based off his research or not but it still proves the Earth is round.

Looks pretty round to me

Looks round to me as well.

The real conspiracy here is earth is not a perfect sphere, its an oblate spheroid., which is more like a skittle. But then why are all the pictures were getting from NASA showing a perfect sphere?

It is indeed an oblate spheroid, but you exaggerate its shape.

A skittle is on the extreme end of it. If you saw the Earth from afar it would appear to be almost perfectly round because it's imperfection is subtle.

It's closer to a perfect sphere than to a skittle.

Is that laughter in agreement or disagreement?

Actually the belief that the general consensus thought the earth was flat is untrue.

According to Stephen Jay Gould, "there never was a period of 'flat earth darkness' among scholars (regardless of how the public at large may have conceptualized our planet both then and now). Greek knowledge of sphericity never faded, and all major medieval scholars accepted the Earth's roundness as an established fact of cosmology."[3] Historians of science David Lindberg and Ronald Numbers point out that "there was scarcely a Christian scholar of the Middle Ages who did not acknowledge [Earth's] sphericity and even know its approximate circumference".

I'd also like to thank all the debunkers. The more they say, "there is nothing to see here", the more people will start taking a look for themselves. All people I brought this topic up IRL also tend to agree with the inconsistencies in the globe earth model. Anyway, thanks for your writeup.

I don't believe in Santa Claus.

Would my opposition to claims of his existence be proof of his existence?

Not any less than if you remained quiet, but since you brought it up, you got us thinking. Thanks.

I had to stop for a second on the first sentence. There's too many trolls/shills on reddit for any serious flat earth debate.

Yes, I have had this thought before. Difficult to find evidence to really prove it though. You get into the idea of objective reality, does it exist? Or is reality the sum of human consciousness?

This episode of "World Beyond Belief" analyzes the flat earth issue with this kind of approach: https://youtu.be/TfPDNpO7RXQ . He suggests that the world may very well be flat, but that the idea is introduced at this time intentionally. By controlling the leaders who introduce the idea they are able to gain credibility when the idea becomes accepted. So it can be both a psyop and true at the same time.

For anyone who has been following this issue and isn't quite sure what to make of it, I think this video is worth watching.