It happened 14 years ago and as far as i know no major new evidence has really come out since. I think given that it was 14 years ago people need to drop it as the go to conspiracy. was jfk the go to until 9/11? Wonder how long thisll last.

I find it hard to believe that the us governement did not know it would happen.

Im not sure about their ability to prevent such an attack.

I am sure that they exploited the events that occurred, whoever committed these acts, to use them for political means and gonto war in countries they should not be in, and that since then they have gotten ballsier going into more countres they REALLY shouldn't be in like yemen.

Im not sure who committed the attacks.

I think that people need to realize there is a massive difference between committing an attack on you own population, and exploiting a tradgedy for political means.

Your passion is evident, but you need to dig deeper. When you write "I'm not sure who committed the attacks," it makes me think: What are you doing here then? Don't you want to find out? It is the SINGLE MORE IMPORTANT SUBJECT TO BE ADDRESSED BY THE COUNTRY.

Not "the" country. not my country. Dont assume the world is USA. I would like to find out, i doubt that even if that information was made public that it would have massive implications. Things will keep on keeping on. The world wont riot.

the reason i say im not sure who committed the attacks is because the only people who currently are sure are the ones who planned and committed them. Until i see substantial evidence one way or the other i will not be sure.

If 9/11 was an inside job -- and it sure looks like a rogue element of the government was behind it, yes, in tandem with other countries -- it means we are under occupation, the corporate media is complicit, and we need to question EVERY other story that comes down the river. How do you not see that? How can you not want the answer to that?

It does not mean the media is complicit. It does not necessarily mean that we are under occupation. Those are massive assumptions with zero evidence, the exact thing i made this post about. Who is to say that the media is not as blind as us, and just pushing whatever sells? If were going to go with baseless speculation that seems a lot more probable then every single western media outlet being owned/bought out. Occupation? How are you defining occupation? Is the usa under occupation by lobbygroups, individual protestors, or anyone who seeks to push the direction of the country along? Isn't that an essential part of democracy that all have the potential to influence the countries outcome? Why is a group attempting to influence your countries path mean your country is "occupied"?

The questioning story thingshould apply regardess of whether or not it is corporate media. I question the ATM when it dispenses the bills.

It's hard, coming to the realization of how dark our timeline has actually become. But we will be unlikely to change it if we do not.

And being fully disconnected from reality will not help anything. If we want to make a change we NEED evidence. Not speculation.

We should be striving to uncover conspiracies. Not write fantasy conspiracy theories, then pat eachother on the back and tell eachother how right we all must be because the fiction that we have created conforms to our world view.

Send me some sources that arent movies.

Well check into them as well as the credibility of the authors as well. Thanks for the titles.

No... if evidence is reliable it can be confirmed by more then one source. Im not taking any individuals word as fact. Im just asking for the exact same evidence, from an alternate source. I know i do not have the time to watch a bunch of documentaries i know the sheer amount that exist and have watched many. I would rather read. That is all.

The attack is fully unnecessary

Because all documentaries tend to have sources they site. Id rather read those. If they have no other sources from which their information can be found its likely unreliable

No, i want the sources that the documentaries are citing.

Documentaries are rarely ever filmed from an unbiased point of view.

They rarely ever just present facts and let the viewer make up their opinion.

Their goal is to "teach" the viewer about whatever they think is fact.

This is why i can watch a 2 hour documentary on the horrors of sex work and go "wow thats terrible!" Then turn around, watch another documentary about the benefits, and people who are sex workers who love and enjoy their jobs and are way more successful than me and say "huh. Guess its not terrible."

Look at documentaries like an incovenient truth, or gasland. These are documentaries that present THEIR facts, and THEIR side, but fail to mention how they distort facts or omit information to make you agree with the premise.

I want ALL the facts laid out inbiased infront of me for me to figure out.

If its so hard for you to understand that, i suggest you stop being a sheep, and start to use your ability to critically think.

It blows my mind how many conspiracy theorists use the term sheep to condescendingly refer to the average person, and they dont even realize the majority of these conspiricists are just following a different shepherd.

Again, you are giving me another movie to watch. Give me the direct sources if it is well sourced and i will look into those. Did you even read my reply?

Its not about "mainstream" sources. Its about reputable ones. I dont trust sources that post blatant lies and misinformation. I trust cnn/fox the same that i trust Alex Jones or natural news. Theyre all just spreading "their truth ". Im more interested in THE truth.

Look up the film and research it's sources on your own.

Don't be a fucking twat. If your interested in a topic...do your own research.

Don't come in here telling us there is no conspiracy unless we provide you with adequate information.

Fuck that ignorant mentality.

"Here go see this!... do your ow research twat"

thanks for the 180

Im not denying anything. Inseeking reliable sources.

You claim its well sourced but clearly you have no idea what these sources are, or their credibility.

Again send me some direct sources and i will be ecstatic to look through them

My main source of news is the cbc... publically funded. In fact, the vanadian government regently has been trying to force cuts. They do great investigative work.

If movies /tv shows/ music are influencing yournlife that heavily its your parents that have failed you, not the government.

Personally, im not convinced there isnt something malicious going on eth many media outlets... but if it didnt sell they wouldnt keep pushing it. People feed into it constantly. Im not sure if its intentional evil, or the idiocy of the masses. Afterall media tends to just do whatevers popular.

It seems to be almost a complete lack of care for sny effect they have on anyone instead of attempting to control people

allowing an attack to happen i the same as committing it when we're talking about this scale.

Being unable to react and stop an attack is not allowing it to happen. Do not assume anything. I have no idea exactly what happened and do not claim to know but have an open mind.

-check out the physics of the WTC 1 and 2 collapses...also WTC 7 came down for what reason?? https://kendoc911.wordpress.com/911-physics-quiz/ -No video of a plane hitting the pentagon The fact that there is not an available video of the pentagon being hit is a HUGE reason for suspicion.

Are you a building engineer? Im not. I agree tower 7 is extremely sketchy. But like i said i am not educated enough to see a video that was widely published (why only selectively hide film?) And say "aha! These intelligent supersecretive clandestine organizations fucked up! And i caught them!". Sketchiness does not indicate guilt.

Lack of video isnt really that sketchy considering the amount of other videos that were broadcast worldwide. Why would you selectively hide one video? It doesnt make sense.

Again, suspicion does not mean guilt. I never said that things werent kinda fishy. I just am saying that there is no strong evidence. Just suspicions and speculations. Ask any black man in the 60s how it felt to be convicted on evidence consisting of solely "suspsicion".

lol to your last sentence. great reply, i appreciate you taking the time.

i'm not an engineer of any sort. However, the guys at http://www.ae911truth.org/ are-over 2,000 of them

"Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth (AE911Truth) is a non-profit, non-partisan organization of architects, engineers, and affiliates dedicated to researching and disseminating scientific information about the complete destruction of all three World Trade Center skyscrapers on September 11, 2001, with the ultimate goal of obtaining a truly independent investigation and supporting the victims in their pursuit of justice."

and i support a truly independent investigation from people who are properly educayed. You do realize that this needs to begin with an unbiased view however right? No matter what structural evidence is found that solely points to how the towers came down. not who took them down.

My point about the pentagon video is that the pentagon has more surveillance than any other building in the world, and you're telling me they can't release a video that shows the plane hitting the building??? It's just ludicrous

And allowing so much other video and information to be released while hiding one small clip is equally ridiculous. Either way, it is not evidence towards anyones guilt.

What do we want EVIDENCE! when do we want it? apparently never over here.

Yeah sorry. Ill let everyone get back to focusing on whats really important: Who reddit doesnt want on their website.

And /r/conspiracy is apparently omniscient.

Mmmmmmm shitcomment...

Ya? I herd their God subs!

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Its as if ACTUAL critical thinking is being opposed here...

I mean, in reality it is most likely the userbase being comprised of mostly morons. The word conspiritard applies heavily to many so called conspiracy theorists.

At the same time my paranoid conspiracy theorist side is almost laughing at this. I mean, if anyone is running campaigns to discredit conspiracy theorists, and we KNOW similar campaigns (to influence people's ideas through fake online profiles and their postings) ARE being run by countries like china in website comments everywhere, then i'd consider this one HIGHLY successful.

Reddit has the power to bring to light many things that individuals do not. From added perspectives/thoughts/general putting our brains together, we posses an immense amount of power to decipher information and sort out the real from the fake. And this sub has become a shitpile, that regularily downvotes and insults any critical thinking, anything that goes against THEIR percived narrative. Theres not much good a supercomputer can do when its stuck in a loop.

Hell you got downvoted for just saying you agree and giving an opinion. Downvotes are not for disagreement. Regardless of your opinion it adds to this conversation.

Just because cnn tells blatant lies and cares more about their ratings then truth or honest, doesnt mean that natural news is a 100% accurate reliable source of information.

What happened to trust no one?

I got tired of repeating that sentiment in every single thread i open the comment section of on here. Figured id see what kind of response id get. This sub is mostly a circlejerk promoting their own insanity (i guess you always seem sane when surrounded by people equally out of touch) so im expecting downvotes.

This sub just like this life is filled with different people with different perspectives and opinions. It is your responsibility as an individual to discern what you believe are facts from what you perceive as insanity.

It is the subs responsibility to upvote or downvote things that are actually important/factual vs. Mindless speculations.

You ignored the fact that this sub became one of the go to places for the frustrated redditors who lost subs and is also a nesting ground for assholes who actively try to make everyone here seem crazy.

Giving reasons for why the sub is shitty does not make it any better.

You post this here painting everyone with a broad brush and fail to realize you got paint on yourself while doing so.

Right. Because speaking generally means that i dont believe that there are exceptions? Because saying the sub as a whole is a shitpile means that there is no intelligent individuals who frequent it?

So please add to this sub, show evidence of inaccurate information on this sub or contribute in some constructive way.

Every time i comment pointing out someones complete lack of evidence i get downvoted by the circlejerk. I don't contribute much to reddit as a whole aside from comments. This sub is no different. You can't expect everyone who has an interest in conspiracy to be frequent posters or be devoting their lives to uncovering something.

If you can't or won't do that then who cares about what you have to say and why you say it?

This is the worst logic ever.

Do you need to be able to sing to comment on whether or not rebecca black had talent when recording friday?

Do you need to ge a stripper to be able to say whether or not it was a good lap dance?

Do you need to be a drywaller to mention that the guys left a big bump in your wall?

Doing an act is not a prerequisite for having and voicing an opinion on it.

Because im posting "conspiracies" about the reddit admins?

Im doing my part downvoting all this useless shit and posts coming from websites known to spew lies and misinformation. If everyone in the sub was a little more critical about what posts are coming in i wouldnt have an issue at all. I am doing what im advising

Yeah sorry. Ill let everyone get back to focusing on whats really important: Who reddit doesnt want on their website.