In *Ant-Man*
32 2015-07-20 by Rugnardl
Edit: lots of people being argumentative in the comments for no reason other than causing trouble. Lots of coordinated down voting. if you don't want to talk about conspiracies..why not just leave? cause you're just here to cause shit. This sub is full of you paid retards.
Near the beginning of the movie, Dr. Creed unveils his "Yellow Jacket" suit, heralding it as a return to warfare away from the public eye. Loosely quoted, "in a world where the use of military force is constantly under public scrutiny," cue bystanders using cell phone cameras, cue Internet users sharing said footage, "isn't it time we took the fight back to the shadows?"
Hyper aware of media propaganda, it's easy to spot when an agenda is being pushed. Moments like these stand out to me and I wanted to take a moment and deconstruct this idea that the government shouldn't be monitored and held accountable, and open discussion about it.
It's important to note that Hollywood makes this message purposefully vague. The idea of government accountability is not one that the average moviegoer really cares about. Much of that apathy is because we're told the government is always correct, and we should follow blindly, because they have our interests in mind. We don't need to worry, because they have it covered. We know that isn't the case, but the average moviegoer doesn't question it. Not only is it unpleasant to think about, because they came to a movie to have fun and not think about problems like these (keep them distracted), but it is also offensive to question everything they've been told to believe and have subscribed to.
The case presented, Anti-Governmental Surveillance, is brought to our attention in such a way as to dissuade discussion on the topic, causing people to not want to talk about it. The first point is that the presentation is given by the "bad guys," saying that governments shouldn't be held under scrutiny. This is the first lump of mud to confuse the message. By having the bad guys bring up the topic of surveillance, the topic immediately becomes something that people want to distance themselves from, and so they start to "turn off" to the topic right from the start.
Secondly, the presentation implies that governments need to be free to operate on their own terms and that when you record them doing something bad, you are keeping them from completing their goals (unspecified). This supports the pre emphasized rhetoric that governments have our best interests in mind. The problem with this is that when people record governments doing shady things, then those shady things must be accounted for, and the perpetrators must be held accountable. We will be quick to assert the line they feed us, "If you're not doing anything illegal, you have nothing to hide," but they want to (through censorship of discussion) have us believe they are innocent yet hide their own actions from scrutiny. The message of accountability conflicts with the cookie-cutter story they tell us, and viewers will further turn off to the idea, because here in America, critical thinking is not exactly praised. If it's hard to understand, might as well just forget about it.
Lastly, a solution is provided for the governments that have less than public-friendly goals: just make sure they don't see you doing it. Yes, this idea, under the guise of fancy new * cool * technology, will allow governments to operate behind the view of the public. Not only do you accept that your masters will do as they please, but deep down, you like it. This seems to be the most telling piece of the puzzle, essentially reinforcing the idea that there have been things we don't know about, there are things going on we don't know about, and there are going to be things we don't know about, all of which could never happen if it was out in the light for us to see and hold them accountable for.
We have to hold them accountable for the criminal actions that they commit. Just because media is pulling you under like a strong undertow, it is our responsibility to continue filming police acting against our rights, continue whistleblowing for crimes our government commits against U.S. and other nations, and continue calling out falsehoods, derailments and threats while engaged in conversations that matter.
66 comments
14 Terex80 2015-07-20
Antman is in the mcu, you say it gives the idea that the bad guys don't want surveillance not normal people. Watch Captain America 2, that is all about government spying in its extreme
-5 Rugnardl 2015-07-20
I meant that the bad guys don't want normal people keeping an eye on them. They're certainly the ones that need to be watched.
Edit: why is this dude trying to talk about Captain America so much? And all these upvotes he's getting for half formed sentences that barely make sense...makes me wonder.
8 Terex80 2015-07-20
You complained about the bad guys being the ones bringing up surveillance, in Cap 2 it is cap A who does and in that movie he acts explicitly against the government just like he does in the civil war story
2 Rugnardl 2015-07-20
...no Just stating. I also suggested it's supposed to be confusing.
2 Terex80 2015-07-20
So what are you saying about the film then?
-4 Rugnardl 2015-07-20
I wasn't talking about the movie as a whole. I was referring to this specific instance that seemed a little out of place and the way it supported certain goals that the elite attempt to accomplish, not just in this film, but pretty much all of them. The whole movie doesn't have to be propaganda, and in fact that would be highly suspect, but these small instances, shown over and over, issues pressed further and further, they eventually build and people get used to concepts they would not accept if presented as a whole. By trickling the concepts, it works on a deeper than logical level, and that's why it's so hard to convince people about what is really going on in media. Overall the movie was pretty cool, which is probably what everyone else watching it will think too. They won't even remember the scene I brought up, but if you mentioned it, I'm sure they'd recall, but with distaste. Holding governments accountable for unsanctioned acts of war, despite its necessity, will not be a topic of conversation.
2 Terex80 2015-07-20
By "all of them" are you referring to the mcu? If so you are wrong
-4 Rugnardl 2015-07-20
All movies, not just the marvel movies
5 papipapichulo 2015-07-20
Have you thought
Maybe it's just a movie and I'm being paranoid and not everyone is as concentrated on this conspiracy crap as you are
-6 Rugnardl 2015-07-20
Bro just quit trying
1 papipapichulo 2015-07-20
Quit trying what
You are paranoid and it's evident. Maybe you should Quit being so paranoid
0 Terex80 2015-07-20
I disagree. All movies is far too inclusive. V for vendetta, captain America 2.
Not everything is a conspiracy
1 chico_magneto 2015-07-20
Ant-man takes place in the same world as the Captain America movies
-3 blacksunalchemy 2015-07-20
Probably because he is making a really good argument as Captain America: Winter Soldier is literally about corrupt elements of American government run amok and spying and sampson options to the extreme.
I'm not sure why people find movies about comic book characters to have propaganda elements. It's just a fictional story, kids movie.
One where people can shrink to the size of an ant, and gods from other planets protecting the Earth. Etc.
Literally nothing in the Marvel Comics movies is realistic at all. It's portrayal of governments and their actions should be viewed in a similar light.
1 Rugnardl 2015-07-20
Fiction can be used to express the truth
-1 blacksunalchemy 2015-07-20
And what exactly is truthful in the movie Ant Man?
1 Rugnardl 2015-07-20
Yeah I could just copy/paste everything I've already written. You're not interested, you're just trying to derail. Read the post, I've already discussed your question
0 blacksunalchemy 2015-07-20
I don't agree with anything you wrote, the movie Ant Man is not pushing any sort of propaganda like you claim. It's just a comic book movie with ridiculous fantasy elements. I watched it over the weekend, and nothing about it deserves a post in r/conspiracy.
You can say I am here to derail the conversation, yet I can also say that trying to find a conspiracy out of a kids movie is just plain silly.
1 Rugnardl 2015-07-20
Well that's your opinion. Keep a) sucking that man's dick that's paying you to subvert this conversation, or b) living in shackles and willful ignorance. I literally don't care about you or your opinion, and you simply disagreeing with my post does not refute it. People are going to read what I wrote and hopefully it gets them thinking. And that's all that matters.
0 blacksunalchemy 2015-07-20
LOL I disagree about your theory about a conspiracy of brainwashing and propaganda in a kids movie. And you then proceed to throw a tantrum. Real mature dude. There is a reason why no one agrees with your rant.
11 Smokratez 2015-07-20
It's more like there isn't anything coming out of hollywood that isn't propaganda.
6 Rugnardl 2015-07-20
Yeah, I totally agree. Nothing gets seen unless it furthers the agenda
6 Smokratez 2015-07-20
Yeah. I sometimes wish I was still ignorant about it, so that I could enjoy a movie, without seeing all the ways they are trying to manipulate people.
2 papipapichulo 2015-07-20
So you are asserting (without evidence ofcourse) that every movie produced by Hollywood this year is approved by some massive powers to further their agenda. Everything from the indies to sharknado to Jurassic world to furious 7 to even the worst movies of all time
They all are part of this agenda
3 th3h0lytr1n1ty 2015-07-20
Yes every single movie, TV drama and video game that is created is laced with propaganda and mind control subliminals. If you see Capitalism being celebrated, anti-God themes, pro-judeo christian religious themes, Christ tropes, hierarchy being exalted (every sports, war and buddy movie ever made), violence being portrayed as necessary, nature being portrayed as scary, the military being portrayed as good or a necessity, nobility/aristocracy being portrayed as good guys etc.) you are witnessing propaganda.
1 papipapichulo 2015-07-20
You have no evidence for this
Why? Because people like seeing those things they must be propaganda
I could a 100 things to and call them propaganda but there is go basis for this assertion
2 th3h0lytr1n1ty 2015-07-20
People like seeing them because their opinions are formed by their environment, people don't innately like watching transformers they like it because they are projecting internal phenomena externally. I know you like to feel like a free agent when you consume but you're actually being an automoton when you "choose" to watch your favorite "programming". I do have proof, every single media production in existence only exists to subliminally program the subconscious of the viewer. Entertainment has no other purpose.
1 papipapichulo 2015-07-20
Then please present your proof
1 blacksunalchemy 2015-07-20
Every movie? Mind control subliminals? I don't think so man. That would entail every movie being funded and published by the same group. And in reality that's just not the case at all.
1 th3h0lytr1n1ty 2015-07-20
Every group that approves movies is linked back to the same cabal in hollywood. One group disseminates knowledge to feeder groups which then control all the scripts, story boards and writers. It is possible, every single movie has occult connotations in it.
0 blacksunalchemy 2015-07-20
Which is?
Uhh, no that's not how movies happen at all man. Someone writes a script and concept for a movie individually, which is then pitched to different hollywood studios. if a studio likes a script they can purchase the right to it.
A movies primary purpose is to make the studio money, a studio can only make money by sales and advertising. A LOT of movies use this formula, not because of a faceless group controlling everything. But because dumb, simple movies with tons of product placement can makes them millions if not billions of dollars.
Now, that doesn't mean there isn't propaganda for example military being portrayed in a positive light. But that's not because of a group dictating that. It's just the military has a program where they will lend real military equipment to a studio if they portray the military positively.
For example The Movie Independence Day - the US military was going to lend the studio their equipment for the film, until they saw one part in the script they didn't like. The part with Area 51, they wanted that portion cut out or changed, the studio refused. And the US military withdrew their support for the movie. True Story
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_Day_%281996_film%29
Sorry man I was heavy into the occult and alchemy and that's not true at all. Sure a few movies, but every single is totally stretching it.
Transformers Age of Extinction sure did though. The Optimus Prime imprisoned on the bounty hunters ship, was the Hanging Man Tarot Card.
1 th3h0lytr1n1ty 2015-07-20
Read more shakespeare and Orphic myths you will see what i mean. They repeat the same themes and tropes over and over because of the memetic effect sigils have on our collective unconscious. They bring up old traumas and deep seated anxieties from our entire species. Micro traumas are indented into our subconscious every time we relive these anxieties and opportunities for psychological manipulation are amplified by constant exposure. If you think you can watch constant programming and not be influence by what you are seeing then you are deeper into the trance than you think. People who expose themselves to the bible over and over become more bible minded, people who read evolutionary science often become evolutionary minded, people who spend all day watching tv become tv minded (attention deficit, undisciplined, slow, autistic, malleable, collectivist, profane)
0 blacksunalchemy 2015-07-20
And people who watch and read occult stuff all day become occult minded. The same brainwashing you are claiming is happening others, is also happening to you.
I also asked you to describe the secret cabal in hollywood you say exists.
1 th3h0lytr1n1ty 2015-07-20
Good point, that's why meditation and discernment exist. You can watch Tv all you want and stay mentally clean, you have to use deconstructive methods of mediation. I can't tell you much: they are a ring of producers, directors, agents and financiers; they have unquestionable sway over the Studios choices of what movies to produce. They hire actors who have undergone previous trauma programming like Jennifer Lawrence, Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt, James Franco, Keanu Reeves, Scarlet Johansen. The script is laced with trigger phrases and talismanic words like "freedom" "light" "power" "sex" "fire" "god" "death" etc. (its not as simple as just the word their needs to be adequate preamble and context around the phrase otherwise the words don't hold enough power to trigger people's subconscious reactions to them) the themes of the movies are specifically geared towards mythography and astotheological motifs. The Sun Story (batman Dark Knight Rising, the Lord of the Rings trilogy, Starwars episode 5 and 6) there is the sacrifice story (saving private ryan, top gun, Gladiator) and more. They use mostly Shakespearean and Greco-Roman mythography (often times from the Orphic Mysteries as Dionysus seems to be a favorite character for them to project onto their actors). Have you ever wondered why political agents are referred to as actors in foreign policy? Or why Obama reads a script, or why our White House Staff follows specific traditional protocol for every dinner, meeting and press conference? They're all reading off a script.
0 blacksunalchemy 2015-07-20
Problem is I cant believe a word of what you wrote without some tangible proof or sources to back up your claims.
I've met Keaunu Reeves in New York and he was one of the nicest people I have ever had the pleasure of speaking with. So I really doubt he is some trauma programming recipient.
Sorry man, but without any credible sources I am just going to chock this up as delusional fantasy.
1 th3h0lytr1n1ty 2015-07-20
Interesting "i met Keanu Reeves" i'm supposed to believe but you won't believe me about the tropes or the fact that jennifer Lawrence is obviously mentally disturbed as is Tom Cruise. I see how you think and yes you are very strongly influenced by your own prejudices
1 blacksunalchemy 2015-07-20
But you have no proof to back up your claims, not a shred. How can I believe your rant about all of these people you claim are programmed mind control slaves? Or that there is a secret ruling elite cabal that checks the content of ALL movies and TV programs?
Sounds like you are just making things up. Or seriously brainwashed by occult crap.
-2 Smokratez 2015-07-20
I am saying, with only anecdotal evidence, that I don't watch hollywood movies, because I have been turned off due the propaganda in the movies I have watched over the past 15 years.
-1 papipapichulo 2015-07-20
But you asserted
That's an assertion that you can't really make with anecdotal evidence and not watching movies
You are making a statement on the 1000s of movies each year produced based on watching a few 10 or maybe 15/yr
Even if you watched 50. You are making assertions about a whole industry based off a small sample size
There isn't logic present in this
2 Smokratez 2015-07-20
I am talking about the movies I have seen. That why I said anecdotal. You are still hung up on the idea that I am talking about all movies. Change gears and catch up.
5 GeorgesDanton 2015-07-20
Those three things add up to you not having the foggiest idea what you're talking about.
1 Rugnardl 2015-07-20
Fact: you have nothing to contribute to the conversation and are attempting to steer the topic into obscurity.
The fact that this sub is called "conspiracy" means that we don't have all the facts, but that the people in charge are stupid enough that we can figure it out anyway. It's a discussion board about conspiracies, and you are part of the problem.
1 Smokratez 2015-07-20
I don't like watching hollywood movies due to propaganda. Every now and then I try regardless. I make it a bit into the movie, then I notice all the brainwashing shit, and I stop watching hollywood movies for a while again.
I have the most unfoggy ideas of everything I am talking about.
1 Rugnardl 2015-07-20
You are steering conversation away from what matters. You don't matter shill
1 JumbledOne 2015-07-20
You just couldn't help yourself huh?
-1 papipapichulo 2015-07-20
What exactly is your definition of shill?
Because I disagree with the assertion that every movie made has some hidden agenda, that makes me a shill?
Lol
1 Rugnardl 2015-07-20
Using the word "assertion"
0 papipapichulo 2015-07-20
What about it?
9 Gnome_Sayin 2015-07-20
LOL, who recalls: ant friend = annunaki
7 incidentalflux 2015-07-20
This type of propaganda is common in hollywood and the music industry.You should perhaps check www.viiglantcitizen.com, they offer some nice analytical insights on this sort of stuff.
3 dmareddit 2015-07-20
With the storyline in The Winter Solider, it was interesting to see Operation Paperclip mentioned, and then see a secret government operation being used by Hydra to eliminate possible threats to the Hydra initiative.
0 Rugnardl 2015-07-20
Wow! Already down voted! Edit: every comment in the thread is being down voted.
15 I_LIKE_YOU_ 2015-07-20
It's pretty funny you're surprised.
-2 Rugnardl 2015-07-20
Well I was just surprised by how fast it was. I barely posted the fuckin thing before it was hit
4 untumulted 2015-07-20
Certain topics are like that. I posted this comment in the fear mongering Russian bomb thread yesterday:
Demonstration of power is when you drop bombs on a country and then use the possibility of having them as an excuse to attack another country.
It was voted up right away, and then hit hard until it disappeared. It then hovered around unseen but as soon as it got to -4 would immediately be driven back to -7 or -8.
4 th3h0lytr1n1ty 2015-07-20
People want to believe their hug bubble of TV, Movies, Comic Books and Video Games are innocent and the big bad government and corporations are only bad when they shoot protestors and pay off senators. They would never try to influence the public through mindless, easily consumable mass media that nearly 50% of the population consumes at an addictive level. Nope nothing to see here..
-1 Scarytownterminator 2015-07-20
Or, you know, people disagree with you and think that this is a pointless and trivial discussion/patent nonsense.
-1 SuperFerret3 2015-07-20
That's how Reddit works. Users vote to curate good content from bad content.
1 Rugnardl 2015-07-20
Oh of course, the same way our elections work. Voting means nothing anymore
-1 JumbledOne 2015-07-20
So deep
1 Rugnardl 2015-07-20
Are you referring to the depth that you are willing to take cock down your throat for a few dollars buddy? There's nothing deep about what I said, it's clear as day for those who aren't blinded by the man's pelvic region throatfucking them.
-1 JumbledOne 2015-07-20
You really should win an award for your levels of intellect. I would be quite shocked if you did not have a genius level iq
-1 Rugnardl 2015-07-20
Your sarcastic wit is beyond me however. I simply cannot fathom the levels of genius it takes to accomplish these multi-layered and truly hysterical levels of sarcasm. I bet you are a riot at parties! Of course you probably go to such fantastic parties, I would never get to experience that high caliber of raw talent. You must make panties drop right off unsuspecting dames. You must cause the jealousy of the masses, with no doubt how handsome your high wit causes you to appear. Even now, to have a the pleasure of being rebuked by your powerful diction, your mentally engorging presence causes my pathetic manhood to fill at the absolute marvel of your unquestioned superiority.
0 drummerboy135 2015-07-20
Have you heard of marvel?
-1 HuhDude 2015-07-20
I like your use of text decorations.
4 untumulted 2015-07-20
Certain topics are like that. I posted this comment in the fear mongering Russian bomb thread yesterday:
Demonstration of power is when you drop bombs on a country and then use the possibility of having them as an excuse to attack another country.
It was voted up right away, and then hit hard until it disappeared. It then hovered around unseen but as soon as it got to -4 would immediately be driven back to -7 or -8.