My Conspiracy Conclusions
18 2015-07-23 by WhiskeyGoSlow
So I’ve been visiting r/conspiracy for almost a year now, and in the spirit of resisting David Cameron’s announced crackdown on ‘conspiracy theories,’ I’d like to increase the volume on our side. Here are my beliefs. Hopefully they will spark some interesting discussion. Starting with the most certain hoaxes to least:
Boston Bombing: This is just obvious. Look at any pictures or videos of the immediate aftermath and you will clearly see that there aren’t hundreds of victims as reported. Not going to even spend any more time on this, as the footage is just stupid.
9/11: WTC7. I could move on after writing those four characters, but for the sake of completeness, there was NORAD’s stand down, Norman Mineta’s testimony to Congress, John Farmer’s disillusionment with the 9/11 commission, testimony of ‘explosions’ at the WTC buildings from multiple sources, explosive ‘squibs’ captured on video, dancing Israelis detained... I'm not sure what hit the Pentagon -- the entry hole suggests a missile while Norman Mineta’s testimony suggests a plane. Regardless, this is another open and shut case for a false flag, and the second part of Zeitgeist sums it all up clearly.
JFK Assassination: Not quite as ‘open and shut’ as 9/11, but still pretty damn obvious that Lee Harvey Oswald was not a ‘lone gunman.’ The Zapruder film showed Kennedy’s head jerking backwards. The Parkland doctors and nurses initially drew a large ‘exit wound’ in the back of Kennedy’s head. The crowd on the grassy knoll moved towards the location of the gunshots. The detained ‘hoboes’ who were immediately released. The fact that Kennedy's body was transferred to a military hospital and treated by a doctor -- James Humes -- who burned all of his notes. Dark Legacy is a great documentary.
Sandy Hook: Wolfgang Halbig has done some good work here. The dashcam footage showing no kids exiting the school. The videos of police first responders running in the wrong parking lot. The lack of any footage of Adam Lanza, despite the school’s reported recent security upgrades. No bodies.
Moon landing: Unlikely, and I am not so familiar with some of the arguments about the ‘lack of stars in the window.’ Mostly, I just think it’s odd we haven’t been back in 40 years. There’s a Mythbuster’s episode that concludes some of the photos that are often deemed dubious may indeed be plausible (re: strange shadow angles, flag waviness). What makes me skeptical is Werner Von Braun’s claim in 1953 that the fuel needed for a trip to the moon would necessitate a rocket the size of the Empire State Building. Also, the Van Allen radiation belts. How did the lunar lander launch from the moon and dock with an orbiting spaceship? The fact we haven’t ever seen a photo of the lunar landers on the moon...seems like our telescopes would have been pointed there by now, right?
Religion: Sun worship, ‘Sun’ of god. Winter solstice as ‘death’ for three days then the sun ‘rises again.’ Detailed very well in the first part of Zeitgeist. Not going to spend any more words on this.
Petrodollars: Kissinger’s greatest coup for America that lasts to this day. Quadaffi’s overthrow as a result of his announced transition to the gold Dinar. Saddam’s overthrow after his 2000 announcement that he would no longer sell oil in US dollars. I’m sure Iran/Russia/China/Syria/Venezuela all want to move away from US dollars. Not sure how much the current media ‘heat’ on Iran has to do with this, anyone know?
God/Aliens: I want to believe. I really do. Some of the more impressive crop circles definitely help, such as the ‘binary message’ one. Also the Phoenix lights were seen by many. The governor’s response to the Phoenix lights showed just how easy it would be to laughingly dismiss a sighting with many witnesses. Lots of credible assertions and witnesses, but no good footage or videos, in my opinion. If you have unturned a convincing rock, please post below.
Vaccines: I believe vaccines have done humanity a great service. Eradicated smallpox and have almost eradicated polio. Measles is almost a thing of the past in America, and when we don’t vaccinate, disease like Pertussis have sprouted back up on the West Coast where ‘hippie parents’ vaccinate at lower rates. We probably get more mercury from eating fish than from vaccines. However, the recent ‘CDC whistleblower’ did suggest that any negative information about vaccines will be silenced/ignored...for obvious reasons.
Would like to learn about: 7/7, Allende’s overthrow and installation of Pinochet, El Salvador, Iran/Contras, CIA weapons & drugs, the Iran hostage crisis and Reagan’s election...Gulf of Tonkin, Pearl Harbor, MLK assassination. Other Kennedy assassinations/jet crashes. Michael Hastings. ...others?
Again, I’m posting this in hopes that we won’t be fooled into jumping in another futile war and directly or indirectly killing 500,000 Iraqi kids (Lancet and other medical journal studies). Please stay loud, spread the message, and don’t let the media have two inches when it comes to the elites' warmongering. Let them go to war. We won't miss them. Regards.
72 comments
7 dingodego 2015-07-23
As to your last paragraph i highly recommend reading Legacy of Ashes: A history of the CIA by timothy weiner. It is a highly informative book that details the organizations beginnings from the oss to the last bush administration. Its incredibly well sourced and an eye opening read. Killing Hope is another excellent book, by William Blum who is another excellent critic of our militaristic foreign policy.
5 WhiskeyGoSlow 2015-07-23
Thank you. I will look into these.
5 MasterObfuscate 2015-07-23
Can't recommend Confessions of an Economic Hitman by John Perkins enough. Great insight into how the CIA operated in South America and elsewhere. Also very easy and quick read. For how the CIA was bankrolled post WWII and beyond check out Gold Warriors: America's Secret Recovery of Yamashita's Gold by Sterling Seagrave.
1 OcculusResurrectio 2015-07-23
Perkins has another great book I've read called The Secret History of the American Empire. I havent read Confessions, but this book was enthralling.
1 wreck_loose 2015-07-23
Also look into Strategy of Tension and Operation Gladio.
2 ConspiracyCorners 2015-07-23
Thanks for scratching the surface in the mountains of evil government cover-ups and all, but you should figure out who LBJ was to understand this Lyndonian age in which we live; Roger Stone, Barr McClellan, and Douglas are modern but my favorite is J. Evetts Haley. The government-sponsored murder of MLK is being covered up today and every day by the Lyndonian real-time klansman-in-chief, who also continues the cover-up of the Lincoln assassination in matters which are still as "classified" as Oswald's tax returns.
1 5triangles1pentagon 2015-07-23
Fascinating. Not one mention of NSA surveillance. Guess the disinfo worked.
11 DaneelR 2015-07-23
But it's no longer a conspiracy, it's a fact.
3 5triangles1pentagon 2015-07-23
Doesn't mean we should stop wanting to know more about it.
3 wreck_loose 2015-07-23
All they wanted to do was let you know you're being watched and to act accordingly. Self-suppression, etc.
1 its_j3 2015-07-23
exactly. Mission Accomplished.
2 Flyingheelhook 2015-07-23
When did conspiracy and fact become mutually exclusive? CIA did a fine job changing the definition of the word I guess
1 erbush1988 2015-07-23
Pretty much
1 TORNasunder2 2015-07-23
9/11 - Check out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1GCeuSr3Mk 'September 11 - The New Pearl Harbor' 5+ hours but it is an 'excellent' documentary. Currently the best on 9/11 imho. Also check out this excellent series of audio interviews with Kevin Ryan @ Guns & Butter from his book 'Another Nineteen...' Here is the link to Part 1 of 5. https://soundcloud.com/guns-and-butter-1/another-nineteen-part-one-kevin-ryan-288
JFK/RFK/MLK - Check out 'Evidence of Revision'. 8+ hours of amazing documentary. What makes this unique is the actual footage,recordings,photos from so many events and interviews surrounding these assassinations. 6 Parts; first 3 are JFK, 4 - RFK, 5 - RFK and Jones Town, 6- MLK. Here is Part 1; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pGg-rS26c4
Moon Landings - I was skeptical of this until I watched the Press Conference following the Apollo 11 mission. If you watch it, and you frankly you only need to watch 5-10 minutes, do this first. Think about how you would expect someone to be acting after just going to the moon, landing, walking around, and returning. Think about what they would look like; body language, behavior, facial expressions. Now fire up the press conference; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKl_oXxsQiA If you want to get into some serious reading online check out Dave McGowan's 'Wagging the MoonDoggie', 14 Parts; http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/Apollo1.html
Pearl Harbor - check out Robert Stinnett's 'Day of Deceit'; http://www.powells.com/biblio/17-9780743201292-9
Vaccines - check out Episodes 320, 321, 324, 325 at Guns&Butter; http://gunsandbutter.org/archived-show-list Be wary of any person or organization who wants to give you something to 'help' you. There is NO money to be made from healthy people, but TONS of money to be made from sick people via by the Pharmaceutical Companies and the entire health industry.
I have watched or read all of the above reccs.
0 ___CitizenX___ 2015-07-23
Your aliens theory. Most will never believe it until they see it for themselves. However, in that case, you don't believe it, you know it, there is a difference. NASA hides the truth.
0 GovernmentOfficial 2015-07-23
Read over and all seems somewhat on track. The one topic I really can't agree with is moon landing. There is really no reason to fake that and I'm of the impression it happened 100%
They didn't launch that rocket in a sound studio and half the population of FL saw them taking off. The quote from Von Braun was made a decade before the initiative was started to go to the moon so I'd have to assume advances had been made in fuel and requirements. Also the SatV rocket is 1/3 the height of the Empire State Building so it's not "small".
EDIT: The Saturn V was also designed under the direction of Von Braun himself.
0 CaptainAntwat 2015-07-23
You lost me at the moon part. You should know that there are retroreflectors on the moon that were left during Apollo 15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmVxSFnjYCA
edit: In all honesty, if you believe that we did not visit the moon, then you really need to consider taking a break from conspiracies. Seriously. It's not an insult, I'm honestly concerned. You really need to save your mind.
2 Sabremesh 2015-07-23
The presence of lunar retro-reflectors are not in themselves proof that NASA put men on the moon, because the UNMANNED Russian Lunokhod missions also put retro-reflectors on the moon (and the Lunokhod 2 rover/retro-reflector is still working to this day).
Do you understand the distinction?
1 its_j3 2015-07-23
you worry about your own sanity my friend. We are doing just fine, and we have as much proof as you if not more (since all yours was destroyed conveniently).
-1 CaptainAntwat 2015-07-23
You're too easy.
3 its_j3 2015-07-23
like sunday morning.
1 WhiskeyGoSlow 2015-07-23
Thanks! I hadn't seen that. I should have clarified that I don't think we never went to the moon, but possibly that the first Apollo missions didn't. Again, my uncertainty/lack of research into all of this is why I put the moon conspiracy at the bottom of the list.
My mind works fine, but thank you for your concern.
-1 heyitsbrad 2015-07-23
Still have some work to do on vaccines, but otherwise great summary!
-1 GrovyOne 2015-07-23
Weird, because I think there are as many injuries from the pictures and video. How can we arrive at different conclusions?
1 its_j3 2015-07-23
you need to look closer. You will see people who supposedly had severe injuries up moving around right after the blast. Acting totally normal then later getting wheeled off as if they are death's door. Jeff Baumann is the most obvious impossibility and ridiculous story, but most of the people at that site are clearly not injured in a way consistent with a shrapnel bomb, if in fact they are injured at all.
There is footage of a fireman ripping up Hulkman's pants to make them look better after he walks around aimlessly with supposed traumatic leg damage. He doesn't treat Hulkman, he just rips his pants more and then goes about other business.
-1 GrovyOne 2015-07-23
Because he lost his legs?
-2 Lo0seR 2015-07-23
When that shot contains Immortality, then I'll believe.
-2 [deleted] 2015-07-23
Got any evidence? Just one single piece of evidence indicating a government plot will be plenty. Thanks in advance.
3 its_j3 2015-07-23
no bodies is irrelevant?
And how about you show us video footage of the kids getting evacuated since we have dashcam footage looking at the school in the relevant time.
0 fite_the_pauer 2015-07-23
No bodies is irrelevant because the photos of them are redacted by law. If there were photos of the room and no bodies visible, that'd be one thing.
The dashcam you refer to was not pointed at the exit used by most of students. Refer to the official report. Even so, children are visible at several points in various dashcams from the scene. http://www.opednews.com/articles/Sandy-Hook-Exclusive-Neve-by-keith-johnson-Connecticut_Police_Sandyhook-Shooting-150522-719.html
1 its_j3 2015-07-23
I see one kid, not 600. There were multiple dashcams. None saw kids evacuating in the manner described. The fact no one was treated for injuries (all shot children died immediately we are told) and no parents were allowed to view the bodies of their own children, but only alleged photos shows the official story is a lie. There are many many other contradictions, but it is hardly irrelevant unless you are trying to sweep something under the rug.
1 fite_the_pauer 2015-07-23
Again, the dashcams are not pointed at that exit. They aren't going to show something that is not in their field of view. What fantasy shooting can you think of where every person involved was individually photographed and fingerprinted and DNA tested on live TV just to satisfy morons?
not true. Why are you feigning being upset about this event when you haven't even bothered checking a single fact?
again, not true. Bodies were not identified in person, but that's standard practice these days. The fact that reality is not a cop show is not a conspiracy.
You've yet to name a single one.
1 its_j3 2015-07-23
You are the one that is wrong haha. I watched every press conference, followed it every day, with all the fake stories they trotted out, all the inconsistencies. You aren't fooling anyone bud. You can just say "wrong" about anything you want, but obviously you have no interest in anything except arguing, and you have no facts to back you up.
0 fite_the_pauer 2015-07-23
Really? How am I wrong? Please be specific. What "fact" do you have that I do not? I am still waiting on one single shred of evidence that the government staged the event. You can't produce even one? Why would you base your beliefs on a scenario that is completely unsupported by even a single piece of evidence?
1 BigLebowskiBot 2015-07-23
You're not wrong, Walter, you're just an asshole.
0 fite_the_pauer 2015-07-23
calmer than you are.
1 its_j3 2015-07-23
"the government"? Someone is grasping at strawmen.
0 fite_the_pauer 2015-07-23
and yet you issue no correction.
1 its_j3 2015-07-23
You are obviously just trolling, I gave you some problems, you said wrong without disproving them. I only reply to waste your time so you can annoy less people during your day. The whole thing is a complete obvious clusterfuck, everyone pretty much agrees on that no matter who you think did what, where and to whom.
1 fite_the_pauer 2015-07-23
Just to leave a record of your utter failure to understand basic concepts:
As I very clearly explained, the dashcams were not pointed at the exit in question. It doesn't show an evacuation for the same reason it doesn't show the area behind the camera. Dashcams showing the mass evacuation have been redacted.
The videos of St. Rose of Lima show police at St. Rose of Lima. What are they supposed to show? Be specific and clear in forming rational thoughts.
There was no security camera with the ability to record, anywhere in the school. Only a closed-circuit showing the front entrance. If they had footage of Lanza at the school, THAT would be suspicious. I have no idea why you've decided to believe otherwise, but you're 100% wrong.
That would be illegal. The children's bodies cannot legally be shown under CT law. Period. Someday I'm sure they will release a photo of the shooter, and your fellow stupidity cult members will immediately declare it a fake no matter what it shows, demonstrating why there is absolutely no point in releasing it to you.
0 GrovyOne 2015-07-23
Yeah I thought he was joking. Wolfgang is a con artist.
-2 axolotl_peyotl 2015-07-23
Nice, you have more to research in this area! Start with the following (that I put together):
Smallpox Shenanigans
Paralysis and the Politics of Polio
Smallpox and polio were not eradicated because of the vaccine.
In both cases, the vaccines increased the number of reported cases of these disease.
Enjoy!
-2 tm39087 2015-07-23
Actually over 200 people were injured, they may be minor, still injured. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/23/boston-marathon-bombing-injury-total_n_3138159.html
-9 Rockran 2015-07-23
The points i'm somewhat versed in indicate to me you're a complete novice, given you make noob errors.
Jerking backwards is not indicative of the direction of a shot from the front.
Testimony which is contradicted by video evidence.
You're not familiar with the most basic of conspiracy theories regarding the moon landing? Jeez.
1953, that's the clue.
16 years prior to the moon landing - 16 years is a substantial amount of time for technology to advance.
By launching from the moon to the orbiter? How else...
We have flyby photo's of the landing site.
Earthly telescopes would have great difficulty spotting something small so far away.
Zeitgeist film nonsense. I'm done, I can't take you seriously anymore.
5 WhiskeyGoSlow 2015-07-23
Thanks for the feedback!
3 Sabremesh 2015-07-23
Ignore Rockran - he just hangs around here criticising other posters without ever offering anything himself.
I think you're spot on with all your assessments, for what it's worth.
I agree vaccines and modern medicine generally have transformed our world, very much for the better. However, Big Pharma is a profit-driven industry like any other, and they pretend to couch themselves in "science" whilst cleverly subverting the scientific process - like only publishing trial results that suit their bottom line. And "peer review" - this would be great if your peers weren't also in the pay of Big Pharma.
Big Pharma don't want to cure cancer - they don't want to cure anything if they can make billions by keeping sick people "alive" and paying for medicines which alleviate the symptoms of disease.
So vaccines, whilst scientifically sound in principle, would make more financial sense for Big Pharma if they had long term negative side-effects built in, if you get my drift.
Ask yourself how Bill Gates' driving passion for global population reduction can possibly be compatible with spending billions of dollars on vaccinating people in the third world. Unless these vaccines, whilst preventing disease, are part of a covert sterilisation programme...
2 GrovyOne 2015-07-23
I've actually found him to be a breath of fresh air and logic on several occasions. Just because you disagree with him doesn't mean you should slander him.
-1 Sabremesh 2015-07-23
He's a "breath of a fresh air" because you inhabit a planet with a cyanogenic atmosphere, 12 day tard.
1 GrovyOne 2015-07-23
It's the same atmosphere you live in.
-1 Sabremesh 2015-07-23
There's an oxygen deficiency in your neck of the woods.
0 GrovyOne 2015-07-23
Yeah it's probably from all the CO2 and global warming, am I right?
3 That_Guy381 2015-07-23
Hey, I appreciate you drawing your own conclusions.
My mind is not made up on 9/11 or JFK, but if there is one thing I'm sure about, it is that Sandy Hook was dead real.
I graduated from Joel Barlow High School in Redding, Connecticut. It is the 2nd closest high school to Sandy Hook Elementary, after Newtown High School. We found out on our phones while eating lunch that there was a shooting in Newtown, but it wasn't until we got home that the details really emerged on how bad it was.
It honestly disgusts me that people would just blame the government for such an act just to push their narrative. A lot of people knew those kids personally. Do you really believe that they were all hired? I just don't get it...
1 ConspiracyCorners 2015-07-23
You haven't said anything about the anomalies in this other than saying, "I believe" with a fervor appropriate for a revival tent. If you're a Connecticut person, you know what's getting said about anomalies and are playing dumb/first-hand insider smart at the same time. Are you a shill?
5 That_Guy381 2015-07-23
Of course I'm not a fucking shill. This sub uses that word to justify their own sense of importance.
Yeah I'm from Connecticut. The anomalies only exist in little blogs that try to uncover "the truth". If you lived here for a few days, you'd see how shitty and offensive those blogs really are. Come. See it for yourself.
1 ConspiracyCorners 2015-07-23
Why no video? No fair or reasonable reporting? It seems curious to me that the reported details don't add up and a lot of people who go to Connecticut say a bunch of shitty and offensive cops are supporting the evil cover-up there. Have you personally really checked into it?
2 That_Guy381 2015-07-23
Specifically connecticut? I hear this everywhere.
This one "conspiracy" really ticks me off because people use it to push their own narrative, and I know people on town over who were severely affected by this tragedy. How can you deny that a human once existed? People that have no connection to this have no right to tell others how they should feel.
No offense to you specifically, but this sub in general.
0 ConspiracyCorners 2015-07-23
Well, you still are only saying "I believe" with the fervor of a snake-charmer in a revival tent. And you seem to have a cognitive closure that works against talking about wolfgang and the others contentiously pitted against Connecticut masonic cops and obviously you haven't checked into this thing but it's not too late. They are not saying that no humans ever existed, just that the tragedy narrative is full of deceit you would say is needless if you checked into it, but then we're back to your holy-roller cognitive closure. Did you know these Newtown folks you lived near and have you checked the real estate crud there?
1 That_Guy381 2015-07-23
I don't see what real estate crud has to do with a mass shooting.
1 ConspiracyCorners 2015-07-23
Mass shooting? Like I say, you're not someone interested in what happened and I'm not a big enough expert to know how much of what stuff I've heard is true other than the massive cover-up of Sandy Hook portends an evil purpose. Actually, I thought you'd be a Connecticut resident who might know more than, say, David Letterman.
1 That_Guy381 2015-07-23
THERE IS NO EVIL PURPOSE OTHER THAN THE ONE ADAM LANZA HAD.
Get that through this subs head.
It pisses me off how you think literally everything is a false flag.
1 ConspiracyCorners 2015-07-23
Adam Lanza? You mean the photo-shopped bug-eyed fake person?
1 That_Guy381 2015-07-23
You're kidding. Please tell me you're kidding.
1 ConspiracyCorners 2015-07-23
Was Adam Lanza a friend of yours?
5 dingodego 2015-07-23
With your comment history you seem to really enjoy tearing things down with misdirection especially how you didnt even acknowledge OP's various other points. Also he posted this with some open ends as to how much he knows you just come off as mean.
-1 Rockran 2015-07-23
It's not misdirection if it's true.
I get tired after addressing as many as I already did. I try keep to the points I can address to the best of my knowledge. Have you seen how long that post already got?
I only care if i'm right.
2 IanPhlegming 2015-07-23
Not if you're cute?
3 Rockran 2015-07-23
wut
3 IanPhlegming 2015-07-23
The moment you see the words "that's cute" or "you're cute," the poster should be immediately defined as a paid shill. That term is one suggested for use by manipulators of online conversation to undermine debate.
Not cute at all.
1 Rockran 2015-07-23
What are you talking about?
1 pert_entry 2015-07-23
Really noob errors? You are treating real conspiracy knowledge like its insider world of warcraft info. You should probably look into some professional help.
2 Rockran 2015-07-23
Which example of mine are you addressing?
1 pert_entry 2015-07-23
I assume this is a rhetorical question designed to imply that I should be focusing on content and not tone/attitude etc...? If so, you should take your own advice
1 Rockran 2015-07-23
That wasn't the intention but that's a good idea. You should focus on the content.
1 ConspiracyCorners 2015-07-23
You haven't said anything about the anomalies in this other than saying, "I believe" with a fervor appropriate for a revival tent. If you're a Connecticut person, you know what's getting said about anomalies and are playing dumb/first-hand insider smart at the same time. Are you a shill?
2 That_Guy381 2015-07-23
Specifically connecticut? I hear this everywhere.
This one "conspiracy" really ticks me off because people use it to push their own narrative, and I know people on town over who were severely affected by this tragedy. How can you deny that a human once existed? People that have no connection to this have no right to tell others how they should feel.
No offense to you specifically, but this sub in general.
0 fite_the_pauer 2015-07-23
calmer than you are.
1 its_j3 2015-07-23
You are obviously just trolling, I gave you some problems, you said wrong without disproving them. I only reply to waste your time so you can annoy less people during your day. The whole thing is a complete obvious clusterfuck, everyone pretty much agrees on that no matter who you think did what, where and to whom.