What about the Zimbabwe School Children sighting?

Is that a hollywood-style hoax carried out on a bunch of school children?

and the sightings backed up by radar?

I don't know whether they exist or not, but i wouldn't listen to anyone that says for sure either way.

there's no way to prove if it happened, but imo, i think it's true. have you watched the video?

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2015/04/08/more-than-60-school-children-witness-non-human-beings-a-large-craft-landing/

I have. and I think it's something, which is why I brought it up against the other posts that claim that the whole UFO phenomenon is orchestrated or simply doesn't exist at all.

have to agree with you. i understand why TPTB want people to think UFO's/aliens don't exist.

it's not like we can go anywhere. "it is what it is" the truth can't be hidden forever; not at this time anyway.

Do more research. Go a level deeper. Look at who is making and promoting UFO material. Look at who is promoting disclosure(for example the Rockefellers http://redefininggod.com/2014/10/why-are-the-rockefellers-and-the-jesuits-guiding-the-ufo-disclosure-movement/). Think about how much the aliens theme is pushed in movies, TV shows and even the news. Do you know who controls all of those media publishers?

Read about project Blue Beam, the potential to use a fake alien invasion as the next "war on terror" to control the masses and further degrade their liberties.

"Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order [referring to the 1991 LA Riot]. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond [i.e., an "extraterrestrial" invasion], whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government." - Dr. Henry Kissinger, Bilderberger Conference, Evians, France, 1991

The reason to believe in aliens from outer space is the size of the conspiracy required to fake it. Events like the Phoenix lights and newspaper articles from 100 years ago can be convincing. I went down the aliens rabbit hole myself, but I came back out. There is a conspiracy to produce this material. It is trap.

Hear what Bill Cooper had to say about it(13 mins): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FTT5RPMDws

Don't reject what I'm saying because you don't want to lose your fantasy. Take a step back and objectively examine who is funding it and the fact that there is no hard evidence.

There my not be hard evidence. I have seen one with own eyes. If I were asked, "do you believe in aliens?", the answer would be no. I know there are aliens, there is a difference. I have lived near NASA almost my entire life. I know man made space craft, I have seen almost every launch and landing since the 80's. There are crafts out there as big as apartment buildings (I have heard of even bigger) and they don't make a fucking sound. You wouldn't know they were even there.

For those that don't know, it is hard to wrap your mind around it.

Why can't those craft be man made? UFO doesn't necessarily mean aliens

There are 2 possible explanations for what you saw.

1. Human technology. Publicly available or not. Have you heard the recent talk about EM drive that breaks the law of conservation of momentum? If NASA is not lying to us when they say that now, how long do you think they have had such tech before disclosing it?

2. Holographic projections. The patents for this stuff are all out there. The capabilities for holographic projection as non-lethal warfare have been demonstrated.

You are buying into their fantasy. It is santa for grownups. They know that a certain segment of the population needs something cool to believe in. They are right there to supply your dreams to you, to control your imagination.

NASA is a complete fraud. Take the time to investigate that topic. For a simple demonstration to get you started, go to this page: https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2015/07/20/new-blue-marble Look at the images there. Notice how they call them photos:

What made the Blue Marble so special? Sure, it might have been the first full photo of the Earth that we took, but we’ve taken a bunch more since then.

Now take a look at the size of North America relative to the sphere in the 4th image. Compare that to the others. The lies from NASA just come tumbling out once you start looking critically.

Looks like it was either a fisheye lens or just a shitty composite. I don't really think that's proof of NASA lying to you.

Really? Think about the mental gymnastics you are performing right now, the excuses you are willing to make for them.

Try this one: http://time.com/3819293/gopro-spacewalk-astronauts/

That's supposed to be some ISS spacewalk footage released this year. Go to the 1:44 mark of that video and pause it. See the scaffolding reflected in the helmet visor? Poor editing NASA.

Want to see some more? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g91KUIUocRc

Great links. It's really telling when an off the shelf $500 camera takes magnitudes better video than practically everything NASA has ever released. No one is buying their second rate Hollywood light and magic bullshit anymore. A 1MP digital camera used on their probe that cost MILLIONS. What a joke.

https://youtu.be/il2M4pA3y-s

No, dude, you just don't know anything about the subject. Read Richard Dolan or Jacque Vallee.

Right. I am sure we are the only life in the entire universe. Scientifically speaking, that really does make perfect sense.

/s

Aren't you the same guy that professes that the Earth is flat? Sorry, but I think you lost any and all credibility with that one.

I went down the aliens rabbit hole myself, but I came back out. There is a conspiracy to produce this material. It is trap.

Yet Flat Earth is real? Riiiiiiight. If anything, seeing people like you discount UFO sightings and the possibility of extraterrestrials only strengthens my position.

I submit to you that if aliens do in fact exist (which I believe they do), and they wanted to introduce themselves to humanity, no force on Earth could stop the revelation of their presence. For me, this leads to one of three logical conclusions.

Either:

1. We are truly alone in the Multiverse, no contact has been made, and all UFO encounters are unexplained natural phenomena. (This is statistically improbable, and conflicts with the evidence.)

2. Extraterrestrials exist but have yet to discover our little blue ball, and all UFO encounters are unexplained natural phenomena. (This conflicts with the evidence.)

3. Aliens exist, have visited 'our' planet, and are purposefully remaining elusive to the masses. (This is a logical solution to the The Fermi Paradox, and supports the evidence.)

The Fermi Paradox Part 1: Introduction

The Fermi Paradox Part 2: Solutions and Ideas

Again, no human power on Earth could stop the revelation of their presence if they wanted to be known.

Sorry, but I think you lost any and all credibility with that one.

I'm not asking you to believe me based on my credibility. I'm asking you to consider the points I am making for yourself. Check out the links I have provided. When you start listening to people based on how well they are able to set themselves up as an authority you are giving away your agency to consider evidence yourself. You are susceptible to confidence artists. Consider the evidence on its own merits yourself.

Aren't you the same guy that professes that the Earth is flat?

No, I profess to not know of a complete working model of the earth. The standard flat earth model cannot be correct(an easy problem is: how is it possible to have long summer days in the Southern 'hemisphere'?). But the official globe model also has problems. It is an interesting topic, you should have a look rather than completely dismissing it at the outset because the conclusion is too far from your world view. If you want more detail on my thoughts on the topic please see my post history.

Either: 1. We are truly alone in the Multiverse

I question the nature of space itself which is an assumption that this and the rest of your comment is based on. We are told of an infinite number of other galaxies, solar systems and planets, but we have no way to verify for ourselves. NASA provides only obvious fakes. The combination of NASA veiled fakery and Hollywood official fakery provides us with a fantasy box for our minds to explore. But if we poke at the edges of the box we have been presented with we can see that there are other possibilities besides what has been forced down our throats.

If you want more detail on my thoughts on the topic please see my post history.

Oh, I have.

The standard flat earth model does not call for a rocky disc. It describes what we can observe and test. Past the edge of Antarctica is unknown. There is not necessarily an underside and we are not necessarily floating in space.

...and

Under the standard flat earth model the North pole is in the middle, Antarctica is a ring around us. There is no public knowledge of what lies much beyond the edge of Antarctica. It could go on forever, or perhaps there is a barrier. We could be one world among many, or we could be alone. We should reconsider what we know about "space". It all comes to us from NASA, reinforced by Hollywood.

...and

I am not defaulting to the flat earth model. I just think it is the most plausible of those I have seen. Do you have another alternate model that you think is more plausible than the standard flat earth model?

...and

Proving the globe model incorrect does not directly prove that the earth is flat. However flat is the best alternative model I have found so far.

That's some comment history you have there.

I'm not embarrassed by any of those statements. There is enough evidence against the official spinning globe model to make it a legitimate topic of discussion.

You have to be kidding, you can take a GoPro, attach it to a balloon and see for yourself.

Your post history shows that you are not a regular here, but you like to post about golf and basketball. That is fine, but it means that you are likely to reject thinking about a topic like this because the conclusion is too far from your world view.

You have to be kidding, you can take a GoPro, attach it to a balloon and see for yourself.

Yes, that is an experiment that you can do yourself. If you use a flat lens you will find two things: 1. The horizon is flat no matter how high up your balloon goes. 2. The horizon rises to the level of the observer no matter how high up your balloon goes (on a sphere you should have to look down to see the horizon as you rise)

There is a lot to consider on this topic. If you want to look, you could start here: http://www.mediafire.com/view/l679prcg097ny8u/200_Proofs_Earth_is_Not_a_Spinning_Ball!.pdf

But you don't have to look if you don't want to.

TIL hobbies and interests disqualify people from thinking about basic science.

good luck with your campaign

What campaign?

We are told of an infinite number of other galaxies, solar systems and planets, but we have no way to verify for ourselves.

I've looked through a high-power telescope (a 15" f/4.5 Obsession reflector) at my university's observatory and seen galaxies with my own eyes.

For that matter, I've aimed that telescope at objects within our own solar system (such as Jupiter, its moons, Saturn, etc.), as well as looking at faraway stars like Arcturus and Polaris.

Am I not supposed to trust what I've seen through a telescope with my own eyeballs?

Am I not supposed to trust what I've seen through a telescope with my own eyeballs?

I'm not saying that the things you saw through that telescope don't exist, just that their nature may not be what we have been told. How do we know they are so far away? How do we know that stars are other far away suns?

How do we know they are so far away?

Redshift.

How do we know that stars are other far away suns?

Using spectroscopy, we can determine the chemical makeup of our own sun. When we use that same method on other stars, we find a similar chemical makeup.

So simply based on an authorities interpretation of the light coming from those objects? That all goes back to Einstein's theory of special relatively as a way to explain the Michelson-Morley experiment results. Making up theories to support the assumptions required for other theories. Follow that thread far enough and you will find the circular logic that leads to things like 'dark matter'.

You don't have to take anyone's word for it at all. You can attend a university where you'll have access to a mass spectrometer and a telescope, and can conduct experiments disproving both redshift and the chemical composition of stars all by yourself. In doing so, you will no doubt be awarded the Nobel Prize for Physics and change the face of how we understand the greater universe. Not a bad use of your time, really.

I am not disputing the results you get with a spectrometer, just the interpretation of those results.

Attack the messenger. You're going right on down that forum disruption checklist like a regular pro.

Fuck you asshat. You calling me a shill?

BloodWillow via /r/conspiracy/ sent 4 minutes ago

Fuck you asshat. You calling me a shill?

A little too high strung over that bullshit aliem agend, it appears. But try to keep up. I know its hard sometimes. Did I call you a shill? The answer is NO. Simply stating your response methodology and execution is extremely predictable does not warrant such a childish response.

Aliems are fiction. UFOs are just that...UNIDENTIFIED. Pushing so violently that they are sourced from other planets or dimensions is just plain silly. Using Bigfoot logic in an attempt to "prove" the existence of extraterrestrials isn't really going to fly here, I'm afraid.

Aliems are fiction.

And you know this how?

UFOs are just that...UNIDENTIFIED.

Keep going... They are UNIDENTIFIED PHYSICAL objects. Hell, even Project Blue Book confirmed this in some of the cases. How do you explain The Battle of Los Angeles.

Pushing so violently that they are sourced from other planets or dimensions is just plain silly.

How is sourcing the Fermi Paradox 'silly', or 'violent'.

Using Bigfoot logic in an attempt to "prove" the existence of extraterrestrials isn't really going to fly here, I'm afraid.

First off, who the fuck are you to tell me what is and isn't "going to fly around here?" Second, your hybrid ad hominem/straw man of calling my logic "Bigfoot logic" is very telling.

Finally, what sounds more logical? That our relatively young system is the only part that houses life? Or, that older more advanced life exists within our galaxy? These civilizations could be millions of years older than humanity. So, if life has/had the possibility to exist in our system before us, and history is dotted with cases of UFOs and beings from another realm, it seems logical to conclude that other life forms are visiting our planet.

Or, you can stay in your little bubble and think you're the center of the universe. It really doesn't matter to me.

Edit: words

The earth is flat my friend. Don't be so smug and dismissive.

I respectfully disagree.

You do now but that will change, mark my words. I have a friend who makes 300k a year with a million dollar home who almost ended a 20 plus year friendship with me over Flat Earth. Took him 4 months to "get it". I was called names, hung up on, screamed at, made fun of, horribly maligned with vicious cutting words and then I just ignored him. Last Friday I got a call from him telling me the earth was not a spinning ball. While he can be a real asshole he is one of the smartest people I have ever met. Flat earth is going viral, either get in now or later but it really is the truth and it will set humanity free from governments SOON!

Flat earth is going viral, either get in now or later but it really is the truth and it will set humanity free from governments SOON!

In all respect, I just don't understand the point of the conspiracy. To what end? How does knowing the Earth is flat free us from governments?

Here are just some of the questions I have:

1. How do you explain water droplets? They naturally form a spherical shape. This occurs on Earth and zero gravity.

2. Other than clouds and the effects of erosion, I've never witnessed a naturally occurring disc shaped object form. Have you?

3. What do the other planets look like? Are they flat as well?

4. What's on the other side of the Earth? Or, is there another side of the Earth?

5. If there's not another side of the Earth, then aren't you really suggesting that the third dimension doesn't exist? Or, at least doesn't apply on a planetary scale?

In all honesty, I couldn't care less about what's "going viral". I view this topic as an argument against reality. I have my own view, path, and purpose.

To thine own self be true.

Namaste.

Edit: structure

1. Flawed logic and irrelevant

2. River rocks

3. They are colored lights that do not move as the other stats and are circular.

4. This is unknowable at this point and also irrelevant.

5. We are on a flat plane and are 3 dimensional beings upon it.

The reality that was created for you is a false one. The truth is the earth is flat. If you were to have read the PDF link I sent you there would be no questions. I truly understand how big a mindfuck this is but I swear if you earnestly and honestly do your own non biased investigation into it you will find the truth as nothing I say will alter your mind. It took me a month to grasp it and all of the implications. Government has perpetuated the lie via NASA and media, textbooks, globes in every class, so on and so forth. When the lie is known by all who would willingly pay taxes? Billions upon billions have been stolen from us and a false sense of self reality and our place in the world. I hold no ill will towards these liars and thief I just want them out of my life, out of our schools, off the tv, and I want my money back for the nothing I have received in return for the tens if not hundreds of thousands I have paid over the last 25 years. The lie is so deep and so big even when brought up to a seemingly reasonable fellow such as yourself it is denied, this I feel is the worst part , how many minds have been warped so badly that when the truth is presented it is chosen to be an attack of reality when it simply is reality.

Please instead of responding give flat earth and honest solid week of your time. Caution: Flat Earth Society is disinformation and full of shit. Eric Dubay, Paul Cheeft, Jeranism, and MrThriveandSurvive on YouTube is a great place to start. I wasn't fully convinced until I did my own experiments with ships at sea at distances that would be impossible to see with the supposed curve.

PM me with any questions you have after at least 10 hours of research and I will be happy to answer any non nescient questions. Once you "get it" you will be hooked and research for probably over 100 hours. I know I did for a solid 4 months at 3-8 hours per day even after I knew it was flat because damn there is so much more going on and so many things you thought you knew that must be relearned.

Peace and happy hunting!

Flawed logic and irrelevant

How is observation irrelevant and flawed logic?

River rocks

That's based on erosion. Are you suggesting the Earth has been eroded flat? If so, what force acted upon the Earth? The river rock took a disc shape after many many many years of water erosion.

They are colored lights that do not move as the other stats and are circular.

Do they emit their own light? So they're circular, but flat?

This is unknowable at this point and also irrelevant.

So you admit you don't know what's on the other side of the Earth, yet reject that it's simply more Earth because you think it's irrelevant? That's like your central theme.

We are on a flat plane and are 3 dimensional beings upon it.

That's not how it works. A plane lacks either length, width, or height. If the Earth is on a flat plane, with no height, nothing can exist 'upon it'. There is no upon it. There's nothing there to exist in or upon. You're literally limiting our existence to only two dimensions. You can't have it both ways.

If you were to have read the PDF link I sent you there would be no questions.

I never received a PDF. Send it again.

Edit: Six days and still no PDF.

You're one very committed troll. Congrats.

No idea what you mean. I am committed to removing stupidity from government schooled and brainwashed minds.

BloodWillow via /r/conspiracy/ sent 33 minutes ago Aliems are fiction. And you know this how? UFOs are just that...UNIDENTIFIED. Keep going... They are UNIDENTIFIED PHYSICAL objects. Hell, even Project Blue Book confirmed this in some of the cases. How do you explain The Battle of Los Angeles. Pushing so violently that they are sourced from other planets or dimensions is just plain silly. How is sourcing the Fermi Paradox 'silly', or 'violent'. Using Bigfoot logic in an attempt to "prove" the existence of extraterrestrials isn't really going to fly here, I'm afraid. First off, who the fuck are you to tell me what is and isn't "going to fly around here?" Second, your hybrid ad hominem/straw man of calling my logic "Bigfoot logic" is very telling. Finally, what sounds more logical? That our relatively young system is the only one that houses life? Or, that older more advanced life exists within our system? These civilizations could be millions of years older than humanity. So, if life has/had the possibility to exist in our system before us, and history is dotted with cases of UFOs and beings from another realm, it seems logical to conclude that other life forms are visiting our planet.

Reasonable.

When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. – Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

Get back to me when you can answer your own questions without using fanciful fairytales to do it. Eliminating the likely and reasonable explanations prior to blaming fiction for what you can't explain.

But you, accusing someone else of using strawmen and ad-hominem attacks... That's rich.

All we have to do is look at EVERY POST YOU'VE MADE IN THIS THREAD to see a wealth of attacking the messenger, using strawmen arguments, anger trolling, demanding complete, fool-proof and guaranteed solutions to the problems being discussed, suggesting over-the-top, counter-productive solutions which are wholly disproportionate to what is being discussed, very likely using alts to manipulate votes (while I cannot prove this, seeing 5 near-instant downvotes for me, while adding to your own over the span of 4 short minutes in a thread consisting of 42 total comments is HIGHLY suspicious). And my favorite, acting incredulous and indignant...right out of the gate.

Thankfully, /r/conspiracy readily sees completely through this garbag whenever it's posted. The same tired and busted methods that don't even begin to work here.

Or, you can stay in your little bubble and think you're the center of the universe. It really doesn't matter to me.

Clearly it doesn't matter enough for you to make coherent, fact based responses. To sum up the totality of your participation here:

http://www.recaption.com/uploads/303384f92bcadf1f43.jpg

You are not arguing the facts anymore, just calling names. In fact you started out by calling names.

You're going right on down that forum disruption checklist like a regular pro.

Haven via /r/conspiracy/ sent 3 minutes ago

You are not arguing the facts anymore, just calling names. In fact you started out by calling names.

[Reference needed] to false claim of my initial named calling here.

If you want to make any specific claims or to debate any of my own, be my guest. Low impact forum disruption is called out and returned in kind. Those who demand complete/fool proof and guaranteed solutions to the discussion are sadly transparent and generally not worth engaging. We don't frequently discuss the fiction of aliems here because the speculations are worthless, and its all too often used as ammo to attempt to paint /r/conspiracy members as kooks. We can spot the attempts from a mile away, and generally shut down this trash in short order.

We don't frequently discuss the fiction of aliems here because the speculations are worthless

Who the fuck is this 'we'? You don't speak for the sub dude.

Nor do I claim to. This is an observation. You're quite welcome stick around and determine this for yourself.

You're quite welcome stick around and determine this for yourself.

You need to check yourself n00b. I've been around longer than all of your accounts.

Why am I not surprised? Ah, trying to pull a dick measurimg contest. If that's the case, then you should already know of this for yourself quite well.

If that's the case, then you should already know of this for yourself quite well.

I do, and my opinion about aliens differs from yours. Your only response is to attack, and claim we statements.

Whatever. Goodbye.

Yeah, not trying to disrupt here. Seems like you are just flailing your arms around trying to create a scene.

Let's go back to blue bean then (typo and I'm keeping it). What is your actual argument/ evidence?

/u/Haven via /r/conspiracy/ sent 19 minutes ago Yeah, not trying to disrupt here.

Really?

Seems like you are just flailing your arms around trying to create a scene. Let's go back to blue bean then (typo and I'm keeping it). What is your actual argument/ evidence?

First, I believe you were attempting to back your FALSE claim of my initial "name calling" in this thread* before you got caught up in calling out a petty autocorrect error.

Demand complete, fool-proof and guaranteed solutions to the problems being discussed.

And as I very clearly stated in my response to you:

If you want to make any specific claims or to debate any of my own, be my guest.

Care to do just that instead of trying to pull a "now explain that [general subject] all to me again...

OK you bore me now.

/u/Haven via /r/conspiracy/ sent 3 minutes ago

OK you bore me now

Of course I do. This is generally how sad people who are called out and made to look incredibly foolish tend to respond. It's been fun, /u/Haven. [Added to friends]

I respond this way because you repeat yourself, and have no real substance. I've have never been antagonistic, yet you still continue to flail. Quite adorable really.

/u/Haven via /r/conspiracy/ sent 15 minutes ago

I respond this way because you repeat yourself, and have no real substance. I've have never been antagonistic, yet you still continue to flail. Quite adorable really

Just like your buddy. Attempting to claim that I have no substance. Good one, bruh.

Get back to me when you can answer your own questions without using fanciful fairytales to do it. Eliminating the likely and reasonable explanations prior to blaming fiction for what you can't explain.

LOL... Your answer, Bluebeam. Get back to me with some evidence.

I'm only going to address the rest of your incoherent, tantrum once. You are and have been (from the start) doing exactly what you're accusing me of.

Stop projecting.

Thankfully, /r/conspiracy readily sees completely through this garbag whenever it's posted.

The top comments would say otherwise, and their not even mine.

BloodWillow via /r/conspiracy/ sent 13 minutes ago LOL... Your answer, Bluebeam. Get back to me with some evidence.

More likely answer vs. *ET phone home fiction.

I'm only going to address the rest of your incoherent, tantrum once. You are and have been (from the start) doing exactly what you're accusing me of. Stop projecting.

And there we go...

Nu-uhh! You are...

The top comments would say otherwise, and they're* not even mine.

As stated, manipulated voting brigades are a frequent sight here, and mean nothing to most participants. You are not your vote count. We advocate that /r/conspiracy members edit thier preferences to make it so all posts are shown regardless of the pathetic manipulation efforts. So they can decide what they see and participate in themselves.

[https://www.reddit.com/prefs/ -check ignore suggested sorts, show a dagger (†) on comments voted controversial, and leave blank don't show me submissions with a score less than ()]

Those who can see through such pathetic efforts call it out and move on. It's not difficult to spot and neutralize almost all low effort/low IQ disruption efforts here.

We advocate that /r/conspiracy members edit thier preferences to make it so all posts are shown regardless of the pathetic manipulation efforts.

Again with this 'we' statement. Didn't we already establish that I've been here longer than any of your accounts?

https://www.reddit.com/user/iamagod__

https://www.reddit.com/user/iamagod___

https://www.reddit.com/user/iamagod____

https://www.reddit.com/user/iamagod_____

https://www.reddit.com/user/iamagod______

https://www.reddit.com/user/iamagod_______

And you're accusing me of brigading. How many other accounts do you have?

Those who can see through such pathetic efforts call it out and move on. It's not difficult to spot and neutralize almost all low effort/low IQ disruption efforts here.

Calling my arguments, 'pathetic', 'low effort/low IQ disruption efforts' doesn't support your case for bluebeam, nor does it contribute constructively to the conversation.

Believe whatever you want. I have no interest in dealing with you any more.

/u/BloodWillow via /r/conspiracy/ sent 6 minutes ago show parent We advocate that /r/conspiracy members edit thier preferences to make it so all posts are shown regardless of the pathetic manipulation efforts. Again with this 'we' statement. Didn't we already establish that I've been here longer than any of your accounts? https://www.reddit.com/user/iamagod__ https://www.reddit.com/user/iamagod___ https://www.reddit.com/user/iamagod____ https://www.reddit.com/user/iamagod_____ https://www.reddit.com/user/iamagod______ https://www.reddit.com/user/iamagod_______ And you're accusing me of brigading. How many other accounts do you have? Those who can see through such pathetic efforts call it out and move on. It's not difficult to spot and neutralize almost all low effort/low IQ disruption efforts here. Calling my arguments, 'pathetic', 'low effort/low IQ disruption efforts' doesn't support your case for bluebeam, nor does it contribute constructively to the conversation. Believe whatever you want. I have no interest in dealing with you any more.

Talking about that low jazz...you expose yourself that quickly and that readily? Right out of the isrconspiracyracist/cpnspirataed/topminds database. As soon as that ego is bruised, fuck it...

You really must know that the brigading efforts are so very effective when /u/iamagod___ backs up /u/iamagod______. Any admin can easily see that no prior stolen/hacked account have ever propped up another. Only one account has ever been used during any given period.

Glad people such as yourself are invading /r/conspiracy pushing the fake aliem agenda bullshit so hard. It lends much creedence to said agenda. The same exact people pushing Bernie Sanders and Noam Chomsky are pushing this load of garbage. The subtle patterns emerge that aren't all that subtle...

Glad people such as yourself are invading /r/conspiracy pushing the fake aliem agenda bullshit so hard. It lends much creedence to said agenda. The same exact people pushing Bernie Sanders and Noam Chomsky are pushing this load of garbage. The subtle patterns emerge that aren't all that subtle...

LOL... XD. Do you even read /r/theinside. As I've openly stated, I'm a Voluntaryist. Your accusations really are quite funny... XD!

I'm the one invading? I've been here just about as long as /u/haven.

/u/BloodWillow via /r/conspiracy/ sent 16 minutes ago

LOL... XD. Do you even read /r/theinside. As I've openly stated, I'm a Voluntaryist. Your accusations really are quite funny... XD! I'm the one invading? I've been here just about as long as /u/haven.

It's interesting you two share so many characteristics.

It's interesting you two share so many characteristics.

Jealous?

Aww, he likes us. <3

I think, he thinks we are the same person. LOL... Don't burst his bubble. It's funnier this way.

It's adorable really.

Irrelevant. Though I do love the beauty of human similarity.

And as you can answer your own veggies if you feel that will actually work when the power goes out. And there is no need for mirrors whatsoever. Make a scene in the baking sun with the UI you can probably trust this known liar. ~ iamagod_____

Thanks for the link, bruh.

You're welcome. ;)

I have a hard time believing that the UFO phenomenon is all just a conspiracy by TPTB. The phenomena is too far reaching and commonplace for it all to be a conspiracy, especially since it happens all over the world and there are sightings that have been happening to thousands and thousands of years. Do I think SOME UFO incidents are hoaxes created for conspiracy purposes? Sure but its hard to look and all of them that way.

I have a hard time believing that the UFO phenomenon is all just a conspiracy by TPTB

As I said, this is the reason to believe it. The fact that the conspiracy required to fake it is so massive. So much material where stories line up to fit the same narrative. I was enthralled by Phil Schneider's presentations, I watched all of the Dark Journalist interviews, I read the entire Law of One (Book of Ra). But once you get into the CIA and Jesuit ties that UFOologists and disclosure pushers have you see that it is really being thrust onto us. We are being manipulated. This page regarding the Clinton connection to disclosure has been removed since the last time I looked at it: http://www.siriusdisclosure.com/ProjectStarlightClinton.shtml but you still find it in google search for "clinton disclosure starlight"

thousands and thousands of years

Tough to verify what actually occurred that far back.

Another thing that the aliens theme is likely being used for is to discredit MK-Ultra victims. Plant aliens experiences in their minds to both discredit them when they try to speak out about their abuse as well as helping to reinforce the aliens narrative.

I think some of what you are saying is possible. But as someone who has seen and experienced some really weird shit, I just don't think its all part of that. But the MKUltra thing is a very good idea though.

I am curious about what you have witnessed yourself. Can you describe it?

Ah well, I had a a UFO sighting once, as well as some very bizarre other things that were not UFO related.

The "UFO" I saw was pretty similar to some others I have read about. I saw it on a very bright, clear sunny day. It was diamond shaped (from my point of view at the time), very shiny and metallic, like chrome. It was traveling very fast, then suddenly went backwards in the opposite direction, forwards again, and then vanished. It looked like it had almost dissolved or disintegrated.

As for my other experiences, well, they belong more in /r/paranormal. Or /r/Glitch_in_the_Matrix

NO WAY. There's a massive amount of evidence. Read Richard Dolan. The elites don't want us to know that there's something much more fascinating and important going on on this planet than we're being told. Try ayahausca some day.

And for the record, Lawrence Rockefeller was a black sheep in the family who gave a ton of money to psychedelic research and died mysteriously in a "plan malfunction last year."

I have seen what Richard Dolan has to say. He is an excellent, charismatic speaker who tells great stories. He plays his role well.

The elites don't want us to know that there's something much more fascinating and important going on on this planet than we're being told

No, I'm sorry, this is not the case. The elites push it. Bill Clinton on Jimmy Kimmel: http://time.com/48132/bill-clinton-wouldnt-be-surprised-if-aliens-existed/

The elites are the source of it. Like I said, I know it sucks to lose your fantasy, but step back for a moment and reconsider if you have been fooled. All those UFO conferences, all that content on movies and TV shows. Everyone who pushes aliens is a disinformation agent. It is practically mainstream. It is a manufactured storyline that follows a script.

If you really want to know what is going on in the world look into the history of freemasonry and the Jesuit order. Read 'Propaganda' be Edward Bernays. Learn about the Tavistock institute. See the techniques of deception that are used against us, then rethink this issue.

Aliens from outer space is Santa for grownups.

You're just uneducated on the subject; that's all there is to it. You should actually READ A BOOK by Dolan or Vallee, because the evidence is massive. How about 20,000 people witnessing the Phoenix lights, a mile long craft that was completely silent, and many people said it felt like an exchange of intelligence. Also the 2007 Stephenville, Texas case, similar. Too many witnesses to ignore. Or the Mexico City sighting in I believe 1997. UFO's over the White House in 1952. countless thiusands of cases of peoole seeing crafts do thungs that our technology can't even do now, never mind thirty to fifty years abo. Etc., etc.

Clinton on Kimmel? Yeah, he lied through his teeth like a typical NWO stooge, said there's nothing there. Of course they want us thinking that. It's the biggest cover-up of all-time. Jimmy Carter wanted to reveal it, but they wouldn't let him.

Also, I've had encounters with alien intelligence in DMT, as have thousands of others, so there's that. I know it personally, and I have no reason to lie. Good documentary: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LtT6Xkk-kzk

Clinton on Kimmel was teasing it! Take a step back and examine the other side. From the way you are talking about it, it has become part of your identity which means you won't want to let it go. But it is better to not be fooled.

Read about the subjects I suggested at the end of my previous message, then reconsider aliens rationally.

No, I've actually read several books and watched a ton of documentaries recently. It's not "part of my identity." It's called being informed about the subject. I looked at your Rockefeller link. Ridiculous, considering who Lawrence Rockefeller was.

Dude, stop forming conclusions when you don't know a lot about the subject.

Check out the Zimbabwe case, too. And this thread going on right now: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/3gdykq/what_in_your_opinion_is_the_strongest_evidence/

Etc. fucking etc. There is non-human intelligence right here amongst us. There are THIUSANDS of compelling cases, and I've experienced it myself. You're doing a lot of harm by pretending that you know that there's not. This is an extremely important subject, so please stop.

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Please, read about the subjects I mentioned so you can understand the techniques of deception used against us. Your heroes are agents.

Dude, STOP. This is too serious of a subject to be an uninformed idiot. Check out the Tehran incident, the Chicago O'Hare incident, etc. etc. Learn about the history of UFO's.

Peace.

What comes across is that you are panicking because you don't want to lose your fantasy. Are you sure you don't want to check if you have been fooled?

Dude, what the fuck is wrong with you? Gorw up, and check your ego. I used to think what you think, then I bother reading about the subject and learning the history. You should too. That's all there is to it. Here's a good doumentary on the Phoenix Lights, for the open minded people out there: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HGS09LzpARs

Peace out now.

Stumbling across this thread now for the first time but I'm with you completely.

Check out a fairly short documentary called Mirage Men if you've never seen it before. It shows how US intelligence disinfo agents literally drove a man insane by convincing him the human black technology he saw in and around the military base by his house was actually alien technology. They even interview one of the main intelligence agents in the movie and he's creepy by any definition of the word - you get the sense that every single word he says was calculated years beforehand.

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This!

You're doing good work, keep it up

this guy gets it ! great post.

NASA is hiding the truth. I think the reason for such an aggressive mass cover up is TPTB know something that they do not want the public to even consider, invasion.

The UFOs are a technology out our league. To answer the question, we can't see them because they can bend the light around the craft to make it appear to be sky. I have also heard the crafts can generate, a "mist" as one pilot called it, that can mimic a cloud. They are so far ahead of humans, if they don't want to be seen, we won't see them.

They are here and they are humanoid in appearance.

they are here and arent hiding from us. its the ptb that shoot at them they are hiding from. they dont care that we know about aliens or not. the technology that has been developed bye our black projects is what they are hiding. its how they do what they do is what is being covered up..the acknowledgement of aliens would force disclosure on everthying else they know and have.

"we have had the technology to take et home for a long time." ben rich.....skunkworks.

A few years ago i saw a red orb fly directly over my house in austin, texas. It was low, not a drone, it was windy and not being blown around. It was also the same luminosity as the red on the underside of an optical mouse. I thought it was weird as hell...then the next day I googled it and red orbs were seen all over eastern/central texas that night.

Start here.

That is amazon link to DIMENSIONS: A Casebook of Alien Contact by Jacques Vallee. Be careful. UFO is a subject that makes normal people appear to be mentally ill. Good luck!

One other thing on my mind: in two of the mass sightings, witnesses reported that the UFOs simply vanished into thin air. Any ideas on what is happening there? Invisiblity cloaks?

Inertia-less drives capable of instant acceleration. They're not vanishing, they're just moving away so fast you can't perceive the movement. That's how you tell the difference between "our birds" and "their birds" - we don't yet have the ability to get our birds to accelerate instantly without smashing the crew into jelly.

What appears as vanishing is a vibrational shift into another dimension.

Hey, OP, you should check out Richard Dolan. He has several fantastic books and a lot of good talks on youtube. He gets into a lot of the meta-reality around the subject. To answer your question, there are a lot of reasons global elites don't want us to know that there are lots of other intelligent life forms around. One simple one is that whoever is behind UFO's obviously has some advanced technology that non-petroleum based, probably something like "free energy." Acceptance of the reality of this technology would be very liberating to humankind and would destroy the petroleum industry. I think the are bigger picture reasons, even. We might realize that there are "good" aliens- because there clearly are- who are interested in us advancing peacefully. We could, and should, unify with these beings, in a conscious collective evolution, but the powers that be sure don't want that. They want us ignorant, materialist, and alone.

Try smoking DMT or taking ayahuasca some day. There's a direct connection with an alien intelligence that occurs that's profoundly enlightening and revealing and sheds light on these really big-picture questions.

It gave me a deep introspective into how systemically dehydrated I was. I drink more water every day and I haven't felt better in years, cool stuff

Instead of linking the documentaries/videos which convinced me,

Please do share

"If it's a UFO then it's the FBI, so I'm O-U-T, Nigga don't call me" - Young Jeezy

Don't hold your breath for Will Smif and that old guy.

Holy cow. This is like the flat-earthers vs ufologist crusade

Watch Chris White's documentary on the ancient astronaut theory.

Mass sightings don't provide any additional evidence for the proof of extraterrestrials. They simply provide validation that many people saw something that defied commonplace explanations. In most scientific based theories of mass sightings, the event was usually explained by less common atmospheric phenomenon, less commonly observed aircraft, malfunction of a common technolgy (E.g., black ring from a blown transformer, etc.). I think the reason for non-disclosure is that there is nothing to disclose.

Is there a subreddit for this specific subject?

IMO, this topic will be all the rage in the next 10 to 15 years from now. Open contact is coming soon.

ChangeThroughTruth is right on the money but I'm going to delve deeper down the rabbit hole. There's a ton of evidence for the alien phenomena in the form of abductees and UFO sightings that seem like they couldn't have been staged. What could this be? A good place to start looking is at the Ancient Aliens deception.

Ancient Aliens proposes the idea that the angels, demons, spirits, and old gods were all actually alien visitors and our ancestors were too stupid to understand. But what if it was the other way around? What if we're purposefully being fed the idea that these things are aliens from another galaxy when they're actually spirits manifesting in the physical world?

I know it sounds totally insane so I'll leave it there. It's possible that everything alien related is faked through government/military technology but people have been seeing this stuff for a long time so it's likely there's something more to it. Either way, don't trust the idea that these are outer space aliens and don't believe that they're benevolent.

I don't think theyre spirits necessarily, I think if they have the technology to travel light years to us and just fuck around, making crop circles in shit, then they have evolved into a higher level of consciousness than we have, and exist in a higher dimension. Which is what most religions would call "The Spirit World" or "Heaven". They disappear because they can pop in and out of our slowly vibrating, 3 dimensional reality at will.

Have you looked into all of the New Age explanation for it? That's originally where I started out believing in the higher dimensional "densities" and that the beings could be highly evolved from other star systems. But really, if they travelled light years (very unlikely) or they're interdimensional, why would they mess around with us? Does that sound like the actions of beings with higher conciousness? If they can enter our reality at will, then why do they appear for such short periods and remain so hidden?

The thing is that these beings never really seem helpful. They'll say they're here to help us and might make some claims about our nature and origins, but they don't provide a cure for cancer or anything to actually benefit mankind. They instead tell us that we need to rethink our perception of God. We have to acknowledge that we ourselves are gods and that will allow us to evolve with them. Funnily enough, "Ye shall be as gods" is the lie the serpent tells Eve in Eden. And don't forget that the idea of evolution is being pushed pretty hard by the powers that be.

I wasn't into any of this Bible/demon stuff a few months ago but the more I look into it the more it fits. If you research what New Age teachings say will happen as we collectively move towards 4th density, most of the 'powers' they say we'll manifest are typical of demon possession. Telepathic communication, seeing spirit manifestations (dragons and serpents are common ones), ability to speak ancient languages, levitation, communication with spirits of dead relatives. Take it for what you will, but it's all very suspect.

I've actually looked into a lot of New Age material. I personally tie New Age teachings into Ancient Aliens teachings...I also believe that we are either products of aliens breeding with cave men, or we are simply an anomaly. There is still a good chunk of human DNA that science can't explain. The Greys are supposedly advanced enough mentally to comprehend the higher dimensions but they are basically emotionally numb and clones of themselves. It has been speculated that aliens offered to exchange technology for rare resources that the Earth holds. I believe some are very well trying to help us and exist in the higher dimensions free of physicality, and I also believe there are those that are still in this 3D reality permanently and are visiting and contacting us for their own selfish means. Think about it like this, if the elements and conditions for this planet to have the form of intelligent life we have (mammals, humans) have only been here for 250,000 years, conditions on another planet could've been similar enough to form an entirely different kind of alien life in other parts of the universe. Say hypothetically there is a humanoid intelligent life that formed, say, 3 million years ago in a star system we haven't even discovered yet, they've had a HUGE head start on technology that we have. With the advances we have every year in technology, I don't think it'll be very long at all before we're capable of interstellar travel. It's entirely conceivable that another life form that is maybe silicon or methane based rather than carbon based (you literally have no idea what other conditions on planets so far away could be) life forms could travel here. Saturns moon Titan has a surface very similar to Earth's with oceans and landforms, except it's so cold there that the land is frozen water and the oceans are liquified methane. There could be life forms in those oceans that are straight out of a science fiction novel. The possibities are far too endless to think that aliens don't exist, and you if you do believe they exist then it's in the same line naivity to think that they aren't capable of traveling here.

Yeah, the whole limiting aliens to the dimensions we exist in thing always bugged me. Clearly there would have to be beings in the upper and lower dimensions. I'm gonna guess that aliens exist in the dimensions we occupy as well, and that they too talk about upper dimensional beings, or at least beings advanced enough to pass through those dimensions, in a similar way we do. Maybe. Or perhaps those aliens can sense the other dimensions better than we can, but haven't quite gotten the trick of breaking through.

I mean... come on, y'all.

There are all kinds of aliens out there man. There are those that could be stranded here, those that are here right now and if they have the technology to travel here they have the technology to blend in with the rest of humanity. Those who don't possess the technology but rather higher mental capacity are the ones that are still here but in hiding. Such as all the mysterious cave systems reported all across the globe. Aliens are all around us. Supposedly about 30 years after Carl Sagan sent the gold disk out attached to the Hubble deep space telescope, a crop circle appeared that is very intriguing.

ooh, which one?

It looks like a big cypher. It popped up in 2001. It was allegedly a response to the second coded message "Sounds Of Earth"

Found it. Nnnnnnneat!

Yeah it's crazy to think that aliens who don't have telepathic abilities may be visiting the planet and trying to establish communication with us

Or just dropping shit off here. I rarely hear of that one. Instead of coming down themselves, they just deposit various space things and creatures.

Also very plausible. They could very well just be fucking with us lol

Cruisin' through the universe, havin' lots of fuuuuuuun

Kinda like the aliens in Heavy Metal hahaha

i'm not sure i've ever seen more than just bits and pieces of that, but fuck yeeeeeeeeeeeah

That movie is an 80's LSD trip in video form

lol, yeah

You might appreciate this and this.

Project Bluebeam. This is the elite's final ace in they hole, so to speak. Look into many speeches given by world leaders fantasizing about "an external threat" to force the populations into dissolving their sovereign nations (one world government, theirs) to band together against this entirely manufactured "common enemy." Now where else have we seen manufactured "common enemies" used to justify abhorrent actions the people would never accept or support?

Also, aliems (very likely fiction) have been used as a cover for classified tech for quite some time.

While Aliems may exist somewhere in this massive universe of ours, they ARE NOT actively fucking with humans. Only other scumbag humans are doing that.

Project Bluebeam.

Again with the Bluebeam disinfo... Could you link to some evidence regarding this topic?

Also, aliems (very likely fiction) have been used as a cover for classified tech for quite some time.

I'm sorry, but this is fucking absurd. You're talking about millions of sightings over thousands of years. Man has only conquered flight for barely over 100 years, and we still don't have the technology to perform the aerial acrobats performed by these crafts.

While Aliems may exist somewhere in this massive universe of ours, they ARE NOT actively fucking with humans. Only other scumbag humans are doing that.

How the fuck do you know this? Sounds like you're just pulling shit out of your ass.

There is a concerted effort on /r/conspiracy to derail any inquiry into the topic of UFOs and aliens. I wonder why that is?

Agree with you 100%

Agree as well. I've asked for evidence as well regarding bluebean, and not getting any info, just a guy that is throwing fits and calling names. Really getting frustrating.

There is a concerted effort on /r/conspiracy+ to derail any inquiry into the topic of UFOs and aliens. I wonder why that is?

Because of people like Richard Doty. Because the US government bends over backwards to get it's hands on people like Manning, Assange and Snowden, but couldn't care less about all the "ex-CIA" and former military personnel leaking the biggest secret in human history. If there is a concerted effort to do anything, it's to keep discussion of UFOs away from discussion of things like MKUltra, for example, lest too many people make the connection.

/u/BloodWillow - There is a concerted effort on /r/conspiracy to derail any inquiry into the topic of UFOs and aliens. I wonder why that is?

Totally. That must also be why Hollywood and the media cover aliem fiction like its going out of style. The same bullshit agenda pushed on people 24/7 to "hide" the truth.

As already touched on earlier in this thread, look to exactly who has been pushing this fiction and why that may be.

You're talking about millions of sightings over thousands of years.

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Man has only conquered flight for barely over 100 years, and we still don't have the technology to perform the aerial acrobats performed by these crafts.

Gotta be aliems... That's the only explanation it could be.

Found it. Nnnnnnneat!

I think, he thinks we are the same person. LOL... Don't burst his bubble. It's funnier this way.

What comes across is that you are panicking because you don't want to lose your fantasy. Are you sure you don't want to check if you have been fooled?

What appears as vanishing is a vibrational shift into another dimension.