Chemtrailing...
1 2015-08-15 by Moir53
Hi all, as we are all aware, Chemtrails are an actual thing.
Now, as far as I understand it's the act of spraying nano-particles of certain chemicals such as aluminium etc. into the atmosphere to "combat" global warming...
What exactly are the effects on our neurological systems from the spraying?
Right now, I'm on holiday in Lithuania... I have never seen so much blatant spraying in my life... I lived in the UK where you see it now and then, I also lived in the US where it's a bit more noticeable... But here in LT... It's ridiculous. I'll post a few photos, but basically the skies in the mornings are clear blue, and then all of these planes start spraying in a unified pattern, then turn around and spray over the original trail and overtime the sky becomes this chemical haze... It's kind of shitty, I'm noticing myself feeling drained or not necessarily 100%.
Thoughts about this?
Pictures from today - http://imgur.com/K4PMhO3
46 comments
5 LurkingSarcasm 2015-08-15
Look, unless youre flying up there yourself and taking samples of these "chemtrails," then your claim is just speculation regardless if chemtrail spraying is a real thing. These trails fit all of the characteristics of contrails.
It takes a special kind of logic to both believe that chemtrail spraying is done to "save the world" from global warming, then also believe they spray poison they themselves couldn't avoid while willfully ignoring the health risks.
0 natavism 2015-08-15
Contrails don't spread out and cover the sky in a visible disgusting film
3 LurkingSarcasm 2015-08-15
Very untrue.
Contrails are water vapor and behave much like clouds, so yes they can spread out over the sky, and do.
1 Thevents 2015-08-15
The thing about water vapor is it tends to melt in the sun, which contrails do. Chemtrails on the other hand get larger over time.
Look, anyone that says that the trails planes leave behind are the same as they've always been are either too young to know what contrails used to look like, lying, or morons.
1 LurkingSarcasm 2015-08-15
Im going to assume by "melt" you mean something along the lines of dissipate, disperse, or even disappear... Either way, contrails are fundamentally still clouds. Obviously clouds hang around for a long time, and so can contrails (as they are mainly water vapor/ice crystals) in the right conditions, altitude, and temperature.
So what you're saying is that ALL planes now spray "chemtrails" and you even wrapped in a classic false dilemma argument, nice.
0 natavism 2015-08-15
So we have an unmarked plane flying around in grid patterns that you can visibly see a spray being deployed from and you conclude that it's commercial air traffic causing water clouds by flying by? In a grid pattern? Sorry, this explanation doesn't fit what we can observe
2 LurkingSarcasm 2015-08-15
Considering you are making up the fact that you can see the plane, that its flying in a grid, and that you can see the spray "being deployed", yes I can say it very much fits with what was observed.
Not ONE of those pictures even shows a plane.
1 natavism 2015-08-15
The grid is in the pictures. And you can tell there were planes by the third picture - you can see a fresh trail. This is like coming upon a freshly manicured lawn and knowing they used a lawnmower. It follows logically.
0 LurkingSarcasm 2015-08-15
What youre assuming is that it is the SAME plane, and that does not follow logically. You said an unmarked plane, which none are even directly visible or discernible. You also said its flying around in a grid, which is also improvable and an ASSUMPTION. Its public airspace and there are literally hundreds of flights a day.
As for your lawn mower analogy, a more accurate equivalent would be coming upon the scene and saying, "Those aren't grass clippings its thrown out, they are poisonous chemicals that look exactly like grass used to control the grass' mind!"
1 natavism 2015-08-15
The pictures show a grid formation and the trails that look exactly like those that form in the skies above me (no matter which part of the US I happen to be in) and always come from unmarked whitish planes. I know it's the same stuff because you can make out the layers and a new track from the pictures. They are clouds, yes, but not clouds of water.
Edit: I've also seen as many as 5 of these planes at one time so it's not necessarily the same plane going back and forth
2 LurkingSarcasm 2015-08-15
I appreciate you confirming that your points were nothing more than speculation and assumptions.
1 natavism 2015-08-15
I didn't really confirm that - thanks for confirming you're not reading my posts
2 LurkingSarcasm 2015-08-15
Oh no I read it clearly. You stated that you're basing your opinion on other assumptions you've made at other locations around the US. None of which were based on any actual information, evidence, or testing. Good work detective.
3 toxicavengerman 2015-08-15
Chemically mobile aluminum can have many detrimental neurological effects and could be partly responsible for the rise in autism and Alzheimer's among others. Geoengineeringwatch dot org has a ton of info. Chelating during spray days can be advised to avoid the immediate damage.
3 TTT_33333 2015-08-15
Damn. That's pretty heavy. Redmond clay and vitamin D are supposed to be chelating agents so maybe try that out...
3 whatisauthority 2015-08-15
look up smart dust
2 ___CitizenX___ 2015-08-15
This Is about how it looked near NASA today.
2 King-Hell 2015-08-15
Fail on the first sentence. Chemtrails are a myth.
1 f0rkyou 2015-08-15
Is that Nibiru in your last picture?
0 DirtyBird9889 2015-08-15
Using airplanes to slowly poison the population at an atmospheric level seems to me to be VERY inefficient especially when you consider the other ways they could introduce toxins. (vaccines, drinking water, GMO's etc.)
It seems to me that TPTB wouldn't bother with a project that was so inefficient and costly. It leads me to believe that the chem trailing has another primary purpose that isn't population control.
Merely speculation but perhaps they are introducing a layer of a certain gas or combination of gasses to make holographic projection easier?
Again I have no evidence, I just question why the super elite would suddenly adopt such a costly and redundant method of introducing toxins, when it seems that everything else they do is so calculated.
6 grandmacaesar 2015-08-15
I don't think it's so much for introducing toxins as it is for controlling the weather.
Here's a short list of government documents regarding weather modification/geo-engineering dating back to the mid '60s...
A Recommended National Program In Weather Modification - 1966 (NASA)
An Introduction to Weather Modification - US Air Force, September 1969
Weather Modification: Hearings before the Subcommittee on Oceans and International Environment of the Committee on Foreign Relations, United States Senate - January 1, 1974
Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025
Atmospheric Aerosol Properties and Climate Impacts
And from the USCode: 15 USC Ch. 9A: WEATHER MODIFICATION ACTIVITIES OR ATTEMPTS; REPORTING REQUIREMENT
edit: a word
3 chuckbeezy 2015-08-15
bingo
0 grandmacaesar 2015-08-15
I know that if I truly didn't believe the skies are being purposely sprayed, and stubbornly refused to entertain the thought, and I wandered up on this thread, I would perhaps make a snarky comment about tin-foil hats, downvote, and not bother clicking on any more "chemtrail" posts.
However, there is a person, a certain dick pest, who has shown up on practically every chemtrail thread on /r/conspiracy and /r/chemtrails for a couple of years now, downvoting all shared information and harmonious comments, and attempting to derail the conversation.
The person is either a fucking idiot or an obvious shill.
-1 Moir53 2015-08-15
I can't believe how many comments I'm getting just simply telling me it's bullshit... This place used to have real discussion.
So shit now.
0 papipapichulo 2015-08-15
Are you mad people prefer facts
0 Moir53 2015-08-15
So... "Fail on the first sentence. Chemtrails are a myth" and jokes about Nibiru are considered "facts" these days?
Please, give me some discussion or facts... There are documents which prove that governments and private companies spray the skies with harsh metallic substances in order to "combat" (so they say) global warming.
Reddit has fallen apart.
-2 papipapichulo 2015-08-15
Pleases present some peer reviewed studied supporting your claims about chem trails
What do the majority of scientists think about this issue?
What's nibiru
2 johnhunterdesign 2015-08-15
Side note: peer review doesn't guarantee truth or falsity, (though it can be nice to have) the following did not avail themselves of peer review to disciminate their most imporant ideas: Darwin, Newton, Copernicus.
1 papipapichulo 2015-08-15
So I'm guessing there's no peer reviewed research supporting those assertions presented
1 johnhunterdesign 2015-08-15
beats me, my point is about peer review as such. A majority opinion by itself doesn't guarantee the truth that's all.
1 natavism 2015-08-15
I mean I've seen a ton of documents and reviewed them with my peers and I've conducted endless field testing with my own equipment (eyes) and I've compared it to similar tests of my peers and we have concluded that chemtrails are obviously real and happen just about daily, at least across most major population centers. Did that convince anyone? Then why do people always ask for peer reviewed journals? Truth should be evident and explainable, trust your eyes if you don't trust the pictures, there is a good chance that you live in an area that gets sprayed and just don't know what to look for
1 papipapichulo 2015-08-15
Because your eyes don't muster to actual scientific analysis of compounds.
So I'm guessing the answer is: no you don't have any peer reviewed studies supporting your assertions
1 natavism 2015-08-15
I have peer reviewed studies every day that support my assertions
2 papipapichulo 2015-08-15
Please present those studies
1 natavism 2015-08-15
Do your own - look at what you see in the sky and pictures like these and think critically. Do these pictures really look like natural formations? You don't have to rely on "experts" to tell you what to think
2 papipapichulo 2015-08-15
Lol
Like I thought, you don't have any peer reviewed studies supporting your assertions
Don't be mad that people prefer facts and verified studies that can actually be quantified and the data reviewed over: hey I looked at it with my eyes and 9/11 was an inside job coz I looked at it with my eyes
1 natavism 2015-08-15
Troll harder
1 papipapichulo 2015-08-15
Use actual science next time
1 natavism 2015-08-15
I have been and will continue to do so, please do the same so next time you have something to contribute other than pointed skepticism
2 papipapichulo 2015-08-15
you consider you eyes scientific analysis
0 Sawarane-san 2015-08-15
I mean it is no "secret" anymore at least not for me and never was. I even remember a newspaper commenting about chemtrailing. Chemtrailing is widely used to make "nice weather" but in some countries in the EU it is forbidden like Germany.
-1 CrazyH0rs3 2015-08-15
Cirrus clouds..?! HAZE! TERRIFYING!
-3 klmd 2015-08-15
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4 King-Hell 2015-08-15
Just buy some kitty litter FFS. It's made from Zeolite. What, you thought it was some rare wonder material? It's not. It's just very absorbent, and very common.
-3 KnightBeforeTomorrow 2015-08-15
One thing I recently realized is that these trails don't exist at night no matter what the conditions are.
7 grandmacaesar 2015-08-15
Actually they do.
2 KnightBeforeTomorrow 2015-08-15
As a night worker, I see a lot of night sky in a heavily sprayed metropolis and I agree only in that they can be seen early as residual left over trails. Virtually all of these pictures are very early with sparse coverage.
3 LurkingSarcasm 2015-08-15
Very untrue.
Contrails are water vapor and behave much like clouds, so yes they can spread out over the sky, and do.
1 natavism 2015-08-15
Do your own - look at what you see in the sky and pictures like these and think critically. Do these pictures really look like natural formations? You don't have to rely on "experts" to tell you what to think