Our Situation
3 2015-08-21 by Ihopeitsround
This is gonna sound like a crazy man's rant (hypothesis) and I hope y'all enjoy it; here goes.. Homo-Sapiens likely didn't originate on Earth. Have you ever tried staring at the sun? Have you ever gotten sick just from being outside? Have you ever thought maybe this just wasn't your home? I've experience these things. Science suggests we share 98% of our DNA with chimpanzees.. I don't believe that. Someone PROVE that. How about all those various "humanoid", "hominid", or "human-like" creatures we have discovered? How much DNA do we share with them? How about it, Science? I'm really interested in the relationship between say, Homo-Sapiens and Neaderthals. They were living together on this planet for millennia; until we drove them into the deep forests. You know them as "giants". I honestly believe we are living in some kind of simulated envirorment. Don't you ever feel like your being watched? Don't you ever have a group of strange things happen that spark new understandings about this world, and what it is? Aliens? God? Other dimensional beings? Channeling? New age? The occult? The mysteries? There's other shit out there and the vast majority us seem content pretending "it" isn't there. Now here's the scary part; these other beings look at us the way we look at an ant or a pig. Most of us are nothing to them. In fact, they are farming us in some way; whether you perceive it as human politicians farming your taxes, your time and energy, or as an alien sucking out blood and or other fluids. THEYRE ALL HAPPENING. You just can't perceive certain things. If the spectrum of light was a football field, you could see for about 3 yards, from infrared to ultraviolet. Same narrow threshold when it comes to sound. The point is we are NOT the end all be all or the main show on Earth. We like to think we are. What happens when Joey down the street finds out he lives in a big cage? Or a simulation? I don't know.. Here's my (working) theory; the Earth IS flat. But the rest of the universe likely isn't. By flat, I mean not a sphere. We possibly could be on a very, very large planetoid like a terrestrial Jupiter, with thousands of "Earths" (farms). This also could be a complete simulation, like a matrix or a computer program. I know the "aliens" as the Builders. They built it. But are they aliens or are they...human? This to me is the biggest question, because it brings up the levels of human morality. Can we do this kind of thing to each other? I think so. However, for fun let's assume that "aliens" built the dome. Have you ever thought, maybe humanity is so into science and science fiction because we have already been to the stars...maybe we're even from them. Maybe humanity has an expansive culture throughout the galaxy and we're fighting a war with greys and reptilians and we on "Earth" happen to be "prisoners of war". Just some thoughts.
49 comments
6 thc1967 2015-08-21
Someone did. They sequenced the genomes of both species and that was the result.
We also share some compelling percentage of our DNA with house flies and frogs and venus fly traps and sharks and Velociraptors (though we probably won't get a good sample of Velociraptor DNA to figure out exactly how much).
Then you should probably try searching via Google's science interface instead of ranting on /r/conspiracy. We know that pretty closely, too.
Here's the Google Scholar link: https://scholar.google.com/
Only when I'm using a computer or mobile phone or go somewhere that I know or suspect has security cameras. Then again, I've never been diagnosed with Paranoia so I have that going for me.
Well it wasn't all that strange to me, but these things that others probably find weird called "education" and "reading" definitely sparked my understanding of the universe.
Mosquitoes are aliens? Damn glad I smack all them bitches to death on sight then!
Seems like an awful lot of work to get here from... wherever "there" is... just to suck my blood. All that time, effort, engineering... you'd think they could replicate human blood more easily than getting here. Hell, we can almost replicate human blood in the lab now and we're nowhere close to being able to send any appreciable number of living beings to another star system, right?
I'm shocked. SHOCKED. Oh. Wait. No, I'm not.
Should be easy enough to prove though. Get the weakest Infrared telescope, drag it to Traverse City, Michigan on a dry, winter day, and take a picture of Chicago with it. If you can do that, you'll have proved that the earth's curvature is not what science says it is and either collect a Nobel prize or be killed by our mosquito alien overlords for exposing their plot... one or the other.
Not really. We're into science because we're curious and science fiction because we have imaginations.
This perspective often seems to be spewed by people who have no concept of the planet's or the species' history beyond their own lifetimes.
2 Balthanos 2015-08-21
I laughed multiple times. It was quite entertaining but OP might have found it to be emotionally upsetting. You better hope the SJW's don't find this.
1 Ihopeitsround 2015-08-21
Bravo. Bravo. I have to say this may be the most deliciously sarcastic, pseudo-scientific rebuttal to any of my thoughts. And they are just thoughts, no need to feel like I'm trying to convince you of anything. I choose reddit, these days, as an outlet for my "absurb mosquito alien theories" because of discussions like this. They challenge me. However, dear friend your not as challenging as you would like to believe. Give me the names of these "someone's" who "sequenced our DNA". I am deeply offended by your last jab, I love history more than anything and could run circles around you in that domain. Science, maybe another story; so I'm willing to discuss it. I'd love to hear more about what you have to say about this flat earth nonsense.
5 thc1967 2015-08-21
You can find the science via the Google Scholar link I provided. I"m not searching and copy-pastaing for you.
Unless your OP was a work of pure fiction, you cannot.
I've already shared all I need to share. The experiment is relatively simple. Go prove flat earth, then get back to us.
-3 Ihopeitsround 2015-08-21
Fair enough. Your just like the others. Smart, driven, watchful, skeptical.. Yet; cold, and unwilling to open your mind. "I know best, the things I care about and research MUST be important, even more important that other's research." When you make up you mind you make up your mind. When you ALWAYS have an open mind, when you NEVER make assumptions; when you ALWAYS try your best, Thats when the true enlightening answers will come. Fact and fiction are certainly subjective things, so your analysis is quite off base. Look more into your precious globular earth, hello-centric reality... There's a paradigm shift coming.
4 thc1967 2015-08-21
My mind is completely open to evidence. It's impossible to quantify how much stuff I learned... KNEW... back in high school and early college that has been replaced or modified as i encounter new evidence.
So show me some.
-2 Ihopeitsround 2015-08-21
Ah, evidence. I don't have any "evidence" for you today on my one day to relax and care not about the things of the world (I still care). There are some things you can't see, can't touch, can't perceive. You just feel them. Almost like they're simply...possible. What's the difference between probability and possibility? Not a lot. If your gonna take anything with you, if I have to give this a tldr; its that ANYTHING is possible. And thus, why we have so much fun talking and bickering about it.
2 thc1967 2015-08-21
We invent tools so we can perceive them. Science is cool.
This is the realm of imagination, which is not evidence. I can imagine a lot of shit. A lot of really weird, really interesting, fun, dangerous, compelling, and entertaining shit.
But it's all imagination.
Probability is the way we measure possibility. Some things are impossible. For example, me single-handedly and without tools lifting the building I'm sitting in off its foundation.
A better question is: does the fact that we can imagine something make that thing necessarily possible? (Spoiler: No)
Newp. And anyone who actually believes that either has an incredibly weak imagination or an incredibly weak understanding of the universe.
-1 Ihopeitsround 2015-08-21
Do you enjoy the insulting aspect of this? Keep in mind that your just one ant on a pale blue dot in the middle of an endless expanse of gaseous chaos. At least, that's what you think. I don't disagree with your stance on probalitlty and for obvious reasons that WOULD be the official understanding of it, wouldn't it? Can't have regular joes going around thinking they could uplift themselves could we? That'd be terribly bad for business. When I say anything is possible, I'm referring to the multi-verse theory. Obviously I can't pull a blue elephant out of my asshole, but in a universe where certain physical laws had lined up differently, who knows. Goes back to that whole open mind thing; which I know isn't you strong suit.
2 thc1967 2015-08-21
Why not?
Well, business is making it pretty tough to uplift yourself financially, at least in America, but it's not impossible... yet.
OK, I'm down with that. For some silly reason, I thought we were discussing THIS universe.
-2 Ihopeitsround 2015-08-21
You clearly have it all figured out and I actually have things to do in my real life, so I won't bother you with intellectual conversation anymore. Enjoy your day of sweating away by the computer screen, eating evolved animal crackers and sipping soda; perhaps catching a glimpse of a new video game your so psyched for. While your at it, I'm sure national geographic, the TV PROGRAM has something special on for you. What a wonderful, scientific world we live in, full of wonder and awe. Full of adventure and experience. Pssh. Have a good day, friend.
2 thc1967 2015-08-21
You weren't before. ;-)
Not sweating, eating trail mix, sipping water.
Nothing interesting on the horizon, sadly, so I'm still sort of with the one I started almost 4 years ago.
I lost interest in saggy aboriginal boobs as a teenager, thanks. My TV is on for sporting events and Simpsons episodes and that's about it. Though the GOP Debate drinking game was somewhat fun.
1 Ihopeitsround 2015-08-21
We're doomed.
1 thc1967 2015-08-21
Yeah, but our demise will be entertaining as fuck if we manage to elect Trump.
0 Ihopeitsround 2015-08-21
Your a fatalist, intellectual bully. I wish I could hate you, I wish I could end your kind. I hate that I hate you. I have friends like you. You know everything, yet you sit around and play video games all day? What a joke. Stop responding with even stupider memes so I can focus on my mission, actually living a human life.
2 thc1967 2015-08-21
That's a very unhealthy attitude to take about someone you don't know beyond a handful of interactions on a silly internet forum.
I know little.
I think I've played a grand total of 2 hours of video games in the past 7 days.
Sorry, I didn't realize I was forcing you to read and type. The power I possess is truly unimaginable!
1 Ihopeitsround 2015-08-21
You represent more than just yourself. You'll realize that one way or the other, one day.
1 thc1967 2015-08-21
That's an interesting notion, but I don't try to represent anyone but myself. If someone else wants to jump on the bandwagon, I hope they'll at least find a meaningful way to contribute.
1 BillionaireBob 2015-08-21
"I can't hang mentally, so I'll bow down and pretend like I have important shit to do today."
2 one23four5six78nine 2015-08-21
You smoked today, huh?
-1 Ihopeitsround 2015-08-21
Just some crack
2 Balthanos 2015-08-21
This is one of the most detailed studies on the matter I could find.
https://www.genome.gov/Pages/Research/DIR/Chimp_Analysis.pdf
They even break down variation due to viral infections.
-1 Ihopeitsround 2015-08-21
I just wanna point out, while this may be 100% accurate; let's keep in mind it might not be. Jesus, isn't this a conspiracy forum? I mean "genome.gov?" Really? I don't trust these fuckers to tell me left from right much less how I get sick, what chemicals I'm made of, and what I need to do to stay alive!
2 Balthanos 2015-08-21
So prove that all DNA research is fake. Better yet. Prove to me that contrary DNA research is valid... You do know that creationists use your argument?
0 Ihopeitsround 2015-08-21
Haha I want you to re-read your post from an objective standpoint.. Realize that this is why we are so divided. "Creationists" "Evoltutionists" haha. Did YOU realize that you have a religion and it's called evolution?
2 Balthanos 2015-08-21
Not this shit again.
0 Ihopeitsround 2015-08-21
Haha. So you are that deceived? Forget everything that anyone ever told you. Does a fish becoming a monkey becoming a hominid becoming a man really make sense? I'm not even saying that it DIDNT happen. The truth is stranger than fiction. However, I'm simply stating the FACT, that it is at best a theory. And there are holes. Jesus Christ appearing really existed. Does that mean that the whole story is true? Nope. So sometimes animals change, sometimes they mutate. Does that mean there was ABSOLUTLEY NO intelligent design? Nope. Truth is definitely somewhere in the middle.
2 Balthanos 2015-08-21
If your job is to just make yourself look ignorant you are doing a hell of a job. If you want to argue about this I'd suggest finding the millions of threads addressing your question and read them all. I'm not helping you create another thread based upon ignorance.
0 Ihopeitsround 2015-08-21
Alrighty then.
0 Ihopeitsround 2015-08-21
Also I'm not religious, at all. The human mind will NEVER fully understand nature.
2 The_Free_Marketeer 2015-08-21
OP you're getting sucked into arguments with intellectual bullies. If you wanted to have a decent "what if" style conversation this isn't the place for it because of these types of people. I'd bet there are quite a few regular users of this sub who'd like to get into this discussion with you but have learned not to. This topic on this sub is troll bait. The thing is, all these "science said so" responses you're getting comes from unscientific non imaginative jackasses who spend time belittling others for asking questions. They have shut their brains primary function of thought off and replaced it with accepted "scientific facts" which is incredibly lazy and antithetical to wisdom or knowledge. Yet they want you and I to believe we're the crazy ones. Have this discussion in person with your friends over a beer or joint OP. This place is just to infested with sophisticated idiots to have it here.
2 Ihopeitsround 2015-08-21
Can't even tell you how refreshing your words are. I am aware of the toil, I purposely do this to train my mind on how to deal with these types. Thank you for your concern though, I won't be doing this forever. Kind of an experiment. Bless you
1 FortHouston 2015-08-21
Nobody should try staring at the sun.
http://gizmodo.com/5926497/what-happens-when-you-stare-at-the-sun
No.
1 Ihopeitsround 2015-08-21
You would think we would have evolved last that by now.. If we have been here for what, 3 million years?
2 thc1967 2015-08-21
You would think we would have evolved to fly and/or breathe underwater, without mechanical assistance, given the same logic. Oh. Wait. Our ancestors did one of those and many species we evolved alongside did the other. Our diversity is different and driven by our environment for the past dozens of millennia - trees, brush, walking upright, tool use...
1 materhern 2015-08-21
Neanderthal skeletons are shorter than ours. They aren't giants. Though the study of "giant" skeletons is very interesting.
We have sequenced the human genome though. You can read the technical papers if you life. Most are online. I'm not smart enough to do it, but maybe you are. I'm not educated in genetics at all so I'm pretty lost on what they are talking about.
1 Ihopeitsround 2015-08-21
I am also not "smart" enough to understand it. However, I am smart enough to question the fact that it's the government who's doing these studies, and not private actors.
1 materhern 2015-08-21
Only partially. Francis Collins and Craig Venter worked on it separately and jointly, sharing discoveries and information. Venter worked for a private company while Collins worked for a government agency.
1 ShakesJr 2015-08-21
I think your situation is you need to review some basic biology.
0 Ihopeitsround 2015-08-21
Do tell?
2 ShakesJr 2015-08-21
Sorry I realize that may have come of as an incendiary comment: mostly referring to the first part of your rant about how you were asking for proof about the relationship between the great apes and humans. I made that comment while only reading half of your post before finishing. And that was unfair.
But, as someone who works in a biological field, I can assure you that it has been confirmed multiple times by genetic sequencing that we humans, as far as we understand the genetic code, are not exceptional to this planet.
The fact that nearly 100% of all life share the same mechanism known as "The Central Dogma" of biology, and it all uses roughly the same code and same material (nucleotides) parsimony tells us it's more likely everything evolved from a single primordial life form. Whether there were others in the soup, they may have been out competed and we're stuck with how biology works on this planet.
Now whether the way life works is unique to earth, that's a different story. Our origins may have come from a place far, far away. Not as humans, but at least the recipe to creat earth-like life carried on a celestial body that seeded this rock. Check out "panspermia" and the field of astrobiology as a whole.
Now whether we are on an installation, something like an inverse Halo station, being harvested by ETs or whatever... a bit of a stretch. But hey, maybe, I've never been to space. I really doubt it because I'm comfortable with a null hypothesis in my day to day life.
0 Ihopeitsround 2015-08-21
Hahaha I really enjoyed this. Believe me, I WANT to believe you guys and your science. I grew up wanting to be an astronaut and go colonize far off planets; mingle with aliens. I have seen enough to make me question things.. For example; we all come from the primordial soup? How far back was that? Do you have an estimate? Apperently earth is about 4.6 billion years old; that leaves a lot of time for...drama. Have you witnessed the remains of humans being found that pre-date evolution theory? They have found homo-sapien skeletons that are hundreds of thousands of years older than previously thought; bashing any theory of us coming FROM Neanderthals. I suspect there is another being; we'll call it X. Neanderthals, Homo-Erectus, Hom-Sapien, etc all come FROM X; another source. He are hybrids of IT. That is my theory.
1 ShakesJr 2015-08-21
Sure, current estimates of the first single-cell organism is placed at roughly 1bn years after the formation of earth.
I know and isn't it exciting? The fossil record is, and always will be, incomplete. I'm in the minority and like to think the human species of same anatomical structure existed before the current estimate. It opens the door to many of the mysteries surrounding the ancient world and newly discovered ancient civilizations (looking at you, Göbekli Tepe)
That theory is new to me... considering there is considerable evidence that Neanderthals and humans coexisted. Can't come from something that was extant in the same time period.
Well, what you described is called a MRCA (most recent common ancestor). Every species on the planet shares one, it's relative to how you compare the phylogeny. "X" doesn't really exist. Rather, gradual changes punctuated by periodic catastrophes change the genome of a population and over time, the genome will differ from a parent population. This will likely lead to an incompatibility between mating, resulting in sterile offspring, and whaddya know... speciation has occurred. That, my friend, is evolution. It's not really a theory, it's nature.
1 Ihopeitsround 2015-08-21
Words like these please me; your confident and kind. I appreciate that. I can definitely see how what your saying could be true. Again I'm not an expert, so it will always take faith. If macro-evolution is true, what do you have to say about our current state? Are we still "evolving"?
1 ShakesJr 2015-08-21
We sure are. In its essence, evolution is just change over time. As long as the human genome is experiencing random mutations, we are still evolving as a species.
In a more philosophical look, there really is no time. There's just one moment in the cosmos. We use time in a sense to demarcate changes in the cosmos - and perceive it only linearly. And in that linear progression of change, we are all susceptible to its current.
Edit: to add, not just experience random mutations, but having those mutations "fixed" to the genome as they are passed down to offspring and not selected out by a "selection pressure" if the change is detrimental to the species survivability.
1 Ihopeitsround 2015-08-21
Is it possible, or would it be in good taste, to say that we are de-volving? I mean, the attention span, IQ, and imagination are all on sharp declines. Technology offers us hope, but is it the savior we have been waiting for or just another false prophet? I personally think we need to go back to rural living. We have to get back into nature before she takes off without us.
1 ShakesJr 2015-08-21
Hmm, I see what you're getting out. It's not really a correct way of thinking, but I do see what you're getting at. If you're under the assumption that evolution has a certain goal or objective to change an organism into something "better", that's not the case. Again, evolution is just change. And with that change comes more intricacies and complexities to a lineage or "clade". De-evolution in that sense would be, I guess, changing back into a more rudimentary form (think of a sessile organism, like a filter-feeder).
Some think technology is stifling our evolution. While I agree, technology can make us lazy, it also has tremendous ramifications for good. And also evil. The two entities are co-evolving. We are, after all, the sex organs of the machine world. Maybe we'll approach the singularity of man and machine and that will be the ultimate fate of the human evolution.
And you might want to go back further. Agriculture is buy and large the catalyst to where we are today. Humans are more hunter-gatherers naturally. But then again, since everything is a product of the universe, there really is no "natural". It's more of an artificial term to differentiate between man-made entities and non-man-made entities.
The earth will be fine. Nature will be fine. We are the ones who will/will not be fine depending on our actions.
1 badcopnodonut2point0 2015-08-21
yeah man
2 Ihopeitsround 2015-08-21
Difficult to discern your goal haha
1 Ihopeitsround 2015-08-21
I am also not "smart" enough to understand it. However, I am smart enough to question the fact that it's the government who's doing these studies, and not private actors.
0 Ihopeitsround 2015-08-21
Your a fatalist, intellectual bully. I wish I could hate you, I wish I could end your kind. I hate that I hate you. I have friends like you. You know everything, yet you sit around and play video games all day? What a joke. Stop responding with even stupider memes so I can focus on my mission, actually living a human life.