Any credible sources against the moon landings?

0  2015-08-26 by [deleted]

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Humans went to the moon but it seems that most footage of it are "fake" or edited in someway. If you want to know the truth or at least some of it about this specific topic you should do your own research but beware you might find something you might not expect or did not think was even possible and that moment when you realize that most of it was just one big lie :[

look into jay wiedner. he proposes we went to the moon but most of what we saw was faked. he is convinced that NASA hired Stanley Kubrick to do the sets and the filming. because of some of his astounding camera work... he says the guy died of a very fast moving cancer shortly after 2001 space odyssey (murdered) because in the film he embedded clues too exactly that fact. and the powers that be figured it out and was scared he was going to blow the whistle.

Jarrah White : MoonFaker

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xciCJfbTvE4

Best proof is around minutes 34-40. Actual footage of them in low Earth orbit faking the half-way-to-the-moon shot. Watch the whole thing if you're actually interested.

Edit: this is a documentary that aired on the BBC in 2005 called A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Moon

TO READERS

Please note that I admitted that I believe we went to the moon, all I did was give a listing of thoughts of others, and look at the responses I got.

Pretty interesting.

No. Omg

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I believe we went to the moon as well. Still, just to play Devil's advocate...

  1. The first sign they never went is how defensive and offended they get when you suggest otherwise.
    This is a sign of guilt. For example, let's say you wake up after a sleepover with a bunch of people, and find your wallet is missing. You ask a guy who was sleeping next to you, "did you steal my wallet?" An innocent person will, statistically, be confused and concerned. A guilty person, statistically, will get aggressive and accuse you of being "stupid", "crazy", and will feign great offense in your accusation. So far NASA is looking guilty.

  2. They "lost" all the recordings. The greatest achievement of mankind was held by the greatest minds, and they lost it all. All of it. It's gone. These people were able to send a man to the moon, but they just can't keep track of stuff.

  3. We've never been to the moon since. It's been 50 years and just recently it was proposed to travel back to the moon because, and I quote, "if we can get to the moon, we can get to Mars". Uh...didn't we already get to the moon?

  4. Good luck spotting the flag on the moon. There's a flag there, right? Telescopes are pretty powerful now, right? We should know exactly where that flag is, right? Good luck.

  5. We didn't care about going to moon as much as we cared about the Russians thinking we did. We were losing the Space Race badly, and we all of a sudden jump and win the gold. Wow. How ever could this have happened?

  6. Radiation belts. We;ve recently discovered belts of radiation that could potentially fry any living thing passing though them, and they lay between us and the moon. If we sent people there, why are they still alive and happily claiming to have been to the moon? (while making lots of money on that very statement)

  7. The moon doesn't make any natural sense. It really shouldn't be there. It's way larger than it should be. It perfectly eclipses the sun. We only see one face of it.

  8. A lot of money could be made from faking it. The two rovers alone cost a few million each, and if it was fake, they would have costed them a thousand at the most.

  9. Quite a number of high people resigned right before the launch. Why would they leave right before their dreams came true?

  10. Buzz Aldren's mother committed suicide. What exactly was she ashamed of?

This is good stuff. Thank you. I knew a lot of this, from Dave McGowan's "Wagging the Moondoggie," but there's good new stuff here, too.

The one that really got me was all the high level people resigning right before the launch. I did a Google, couldn't find anything on that. Can you steer me to some info on that?

Your #7 point is right-on, too. There is more to the moon than we have been told. The fact that, according to dating of moon rocks, the moon is actually hundreds of millions of years OLDER than the earth is super weird. And the fact how it perfectly eclipses the sun, also weird.

No worries. Honestly, these are just "facts" I picked up from years of conspiracy research. Personally, I believe we went to the moon, but these were some of the things that stuck with me.

To give you a reference would mean lots of digging for me, and I'm lazy. Sorry. I can promise it's out there though.

The only thing I can't tell you is if it's true. "Truth" is relative. Consider a bear. One person will say, "that bear is a gentle beast of nature", while another will say, "that bear is a horrible carnivore". The only "truth" is the bear. The bear is.

The only real advice I can give is to question everything. Especially if your questions piss people off.

I have issues with the official story.

But this is a tale that will NEVER come out. It would be such a global embarrassment. And would turn into a trust issue. So much has since been built on that lie - entire industries rose from it.

Too much to loose to go public. I don't think disclosure will happen in my life time. But I know in my heart we were sold false goods, stamped with blazon patriotism.

I think this is a very healthy way of thought.

The first sign they never went is how defensive and offended they get when you suggest otherwise. This is a sign of guilt.

That's retarded. I bet anyone would get offended if you accused them of not accomplishing something incredible and started telling people they're liars and cheats.

These people were able to send a man to the moon, but they just can't keep track of stuff.

I doubt those in charge with designing the rocket and planning the flight had anything to do with safekeeping.

Radiation belts. We;ve recently discovered belts of radiation

Define 'recently'.

It's way larger than it should be

How big should it be?

The two rovers alone cost a few million each, and if it was fake, they would have costed them a thousand at the most.

lulz, a few million dollars is nothing when a functioning rocket cost billions.

"that's retarded" I stopped reading after that.

Well that's a retarded thing to do.

Are you even aware of what the word "restarted" means?

You've clearly got some kind of vendetta against the word, so lets have it.

Also, "restarted"? lol

The first sign they never went is how defensive and offended they get when you suggest otherwise. This is a sign of guilt. For example, let's say you wake up after a sleepover with a bunch of people, and find your wallet is missing. You ask a guy who was sleeping next to you, "did you steal my wallet?" An innocent person will, statistically, be confused and concerned. A guilty person, statistically, will get aggressive and accuse you of being "stupid", "crazy", and will feign great offense in your accusation. So far NASA is looking guilty.

no it just looks like a stupid statement

They "lost" all the recordings. The greatest achievement of mankind was held by the greatest minds, and they lost it all. All of it. It's gone. These people were able to send a man to the moon, but they just can't keep track of stuff.

the recordings weren't "lost". they were broadcast to millions of homes, live.

We've never been to the moon since.

why would we? We already went?

"if we can get to the moon, we can get to Mars". Uh...didn't we already get to the moon?

Yes. And it's not a walk in the park. New mission, new specs.

Good luck spotting the flag on the moon. There's a flag there, right? Telescopes are pretty powerful now, right? We should know exactly where that flag is, right? Good luck.

we know where all 6 of them are. right where they were left. however, one of them fell over.

We didn't care about going to moon as much as we cared about the Russians thinking we did. We were losing the Space Race badly,

the US wasn't losing the space race at that point, let alone "badly"

and we all of a sudden jump and win the gold. Wow. How ever could this have happened?

it's almost like they redoubled their effort and focused heavily on doing so...

Radiation belts. We;ve recently discovered belts of radiation that could potentially fry any living thing passing though them, and they lay between us and the moon.

not "recently discovered"

and key word being "potentially"

If we sent people there, why are they still alive and happily claiming to have been to the moon? (while making lots of money on that very statement)

because the exposure to any of that nasty radiation was kept to a minimum.

The moon doesn't make any natural sense.

huh?

It really shouldn't be there.

why not?

It's way larger than it should be

what size should it be?

It perfectly eclipses the sun.

and?

We only see one face of it.

and?

Quite a number of high people resigned right before the launch.

like who?

Buzz Aldren's mother committed suicide. What exactly was she ashamed of?

who says she was ashamed of anything?

"no it just looks like a stupid statement" Stopped reading after that.

Stopped reading after that.

probably something you say a lot considering you don't even understand what the dark side of the moon is

No, I just won't talk to people that resort to petty name calling.

Please show me where I did such a thing.

But you're just continuing to avoid the point because you realize you can't back yours up. Meh. Pretty typical

the recordings weren't "lost". they were broadcast to millions of homes, live.

So obviously you haven't done even a tiny bit of research into what you are promoting as a fact, right? Even worse, you're telling someone else they are wrong (and stupid), even though what you are saying is literally 100% false in the most basic sense.

Here's a Reuters headline for you: "Moon landing tapes got erased, NASA admits".

http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/07/20/us-nasa-tapes-idUSTRE56F5MK20090720

So obviously you're just here to feel smug and superior about things you actually know nothing about? How could you dismiss his statement as a lie when the first thing that comes up on google for anything close to "erased moon landing tapes" is multiple mainstream media sources confirming that exact fact? Or do you just dismiss things as crazy because the TV has told you to do so?

So obviously you haven't done even a tiny bit of research

oh the irony.

Here's a Reuters headline for you: "Moon landing tapes got erased, NASA admits".

Yes. good. Let me repeat that for you

"Moon landing tapes got erased, NASA admits"

Here's a link to an article that describes it:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/07/20/us-nasa-tapes-idUSTRE56F5MK20090720

So obviously you're just here to feel smug and superior about things you actually know nothing about?

About how they were broadcast live to several hundred million homes?

How could you dismiss his statement as a lie when the first thing that comes up on google for anything close to "erased moon landing tapes" is multiple mainstream media sources confirming that exact fact? Or do you just dismiss things as crazy because the TV has told you to do so?

Because it's patent disinfo. A vague, unqualified statement meant to wow people into thinking it's significant.

He said they lost the tapes. This article also says they lost the tapes:

"NASA admitted in 2006 that no one could find the original video recordings of the July 20, 1969, landing."

The fact that they were broadcast is irrelevant. The original tapes were lost. There is nothing to dispute, it is not disinfo.

P.S. in case you want to shift the goalposts and say this is irrelevant, NASA also concedes that the original tapes would have been higher quality than what was broadcast live:

"That special lunar camera recorded in an odd format that was incompatible with the format used for broadcast TV. So when the footage was received on Earth back in July of 1969, it had to be converted for the live television broadcast.

The conversion degraded the images, and hundreds of millions of TV viewers saw dark, murky pictures. [...]

Those pictures were still thrilling — after all, it was "Live from the Moon!" and a human was walking on another celestial body for the very first time — but some experts knew that the lunar camera was capable of doing better.

"It was better. We knew it was better," says Stan Lebar, who worked at the Westinghouse Electric Corporation and led the team that designed and built the lunar camera."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106637066

He said they lost the tapes. This article also says they lost the tapes

Please read :

They "lost" all the recordings. The greatest achievement of mankind was held by the greatest minds, and they lost it all. All of it. It's gone. These people were able to send a man to the moon, but they just can't keep track of stuff.

Is what was said. Pay attention:

"NASA admitted in 2006 that no one could find the original video recordings of the July 20, 1969, landing

The fact that they were broadcast is irrelevant. The original tapes were lost. There is nothing to dispute, it is not disinfo.

Saying "They lost all the recordings. The greatest achievement of mankind was held by the greatest minds, and they lost it all. All of it. It's gone."

Is disinfo. It's false. The recordings were broadcast to 500 million televisions.

P.S. in case you want to shift the goalposts and say this is irrelevant, NASA also concedes that the original tapes would have been higher quality than what was broadcast live:

That's how television broadcasting was done and would be done for some time.

The recordings were broadcast to 500 million televisions.

But the original recordings, which were higher quality than what was broadcast, were lost. Is this not a fact?

Yes, that's not in dispute. Neither is the missing original telemetry data which was used as it was received.

That's why it's important to qualify your statements.

So why did you say:

the recordings weren't "lost".

That is a direct quote from you, and yet you just said that the fact that the original recordings were lost was not in dispute. It is, you were disputing it.

Because this statment

They "lost" all the recordings. The greatest achievement of mankind was held by the greatest minds, and they lost it all. All of it. It's gone. These people were able to send a man to the moon, but they just can't keep track of stuff.

As I've shown numerous times, is false and misleading.

and yet you just said that the fact that the original recordings were lost was not in dispute. It is, you were disputing it.

I never said anything about the original copies. Please show me where I did.

This is pointless. You seem to think that the fact that they broadcast them out at a lower quality negates the fact that they lost them.

If we had a high quality copy of a record, and then played that record on the radio, and then lost it. It would still be lost. We would have still lost the record. I don't see why you're so dead set on disputing this (probably because conspiracy theorists are dumb hurr hurr) but I'll let everyone who bothered to read this far make up their mind about who actually has a point here.

All the original recordings are gone forever, they are lost. Forever, gone, period. It is not misleading to say this.

I don't see why you're so dead set on disputing this (probably because conspiracy theorists are dumb hurr hurr) but I'll let everyone who bothered to read this far make up their mind about who actually has a point here.

well of course, making a comment like "it's all gone all of it! those dummies at nasa sure bungled that one!!" is a really reasonable and accurate thing to say.

All the original recordings are gone forever, they are lost

Yes. I didn't say otherwise.

The opposite belief is based on speculation instead of facts.

Then you know there aren't any