I don't really understand how people didn't see him holding a gun up and then dropping it back down. However, the motions looked exactly like other pistols I've shot. The shock on the reporter's face is absolutely real. And it's not uncommon for people to get fatally shot and try to run away, their body unaware that it is actually dying incredibly fast (especially with a torso shot, which is where he hit the woman). After the initial shots, he seems to put the phone in his pocket (or tries to), which lines up with the stills captured off the cameraman's camera.
The shock was real, blanks make a loud noise. The full clip from his perspective you see her quickly glance at the guy holding a gun a few feet from her body.
That's a really good point, and backed up by such well researched and presented evidence. You really made me think today. You are so good at this... you should become an investigative journalist, or a lawyer or something.
Yes, shots from overhead from a helicopter shows the scene fairly well. I'm on my mobile so it'd be difficult for me to find a link right now.
EDIT: actually I dug up one of the pics: http://i.imgur.com/tgcjez8.jpg I've seen other pics in the same series and also at higher resolution, should take too long to dig them up if you look for them.
Thanks for your efforts. I zoomed in on the picture and noticed that there is an extensive amount of blood on the stair railing that is directly below the deck on which the cameraman's body is laying. This scene looks legit to me.
You have to watch it to realize it's fake...I assure you there is no blood and bullet wounds in either video, nothing of substance is in either video proving the victims were hit with bullets...that all happened off camera...apparently there's no documentation of suspects chase and suicide either...
You people said the same thing about the Boston bombing (you were wrong), same thing about the theater shooting (wrong), Sandy hook (wrong), and everything else.
its seriously is stupid at this point, not everything is fake.
I assure you there is no blood and bullet wounds in either video
I've seen the video, doesn't look fake to me. Coming from someone who has shot guns all my life.
Why'd you stop reading there? If you ask a question which requires the opinion of others and stop reading because you don't like an answer someone is giving you, that doesn't automatically make you correct. It just makes you close-minded.
Well we seem to get a shooting in America every six weeks. Charleston will have been six weeks ago on Friday. Baltimore was 7 weeks before that. Weird coincidences, I guess. Can't imagine anyone staging something like that, but it is fishy.
I am normally all for conspiracies, and I'm not disproving anything. However, I've never shot a handgun, nor a person. I have shot a rifle, and a wild boar (only once) though and the video was nothing like I imagined it to be. I thought it would be bloody and gory. You know, like when I shot the boar I could instantly see the gun wound, and blood was pouring from it. The woman (Alison) didn't even seem to be wounded by the initial shot(s). Maybe I watched the wrong video, but it all seemed weird to me. The camera angle and everything. But then again, I've never shot a handgun, nor a person. Crazy and stupid people though. (PSS: I understand clothes are covering up wounds, and shock can do incredible things, but that's just not what I expected someone who got shot from almost point blank range to do once shot)
My dad was shot back in 08 or 09 in the stomach and I can honestly tell you there wasn't all that much blood coming out of him. He lived and everything was fine this was also done from point blank range the guy shot through his car window into his stomach. He drove home and when he got there I took him to the hospital there was barely any blood on the seat and barely any on his clothes.
thats because the first shots were to the camera man, not the reporter. Anybody who is claiming this is a hoax needs to have their head examined. Like seriously, go down to your local psychiatrist and make and appointment.
If you mean the shots he missed, yes that is normal, this isn't some fps game, just raising a gun and firing without knowledge of firearms will have you shooting everywhere.
Did you notice that when he held his gun up the first time the cameraman was panning some B roll? He waited until the camera dude panned the camera back to the ladies before he opened fire.
Good observation. Yet another aspect of the video that suggests it may be staged. Maybe the shooter got there to soon and that why he's there not being noticed for what is actually a long time. He raised the gun 1st time...oops to soon wait for camera... Ok shoot.
So some group, presumably the government, faked this shooting in a supposedly sloppy way. Then they decided to release two video perspectives which supposedly show the whole thing as fake - for entertainment?
in his perspective video we see that she looks at the shooters face before turning away and ignoring him. how did she not recognize him if they used to work together? he seemed to leave a bad taste in their mouth apparently so you would think shed remember him
that i understand but she showed no reaction in the face to seeing him. it was as if he was just some rando when in actuality they had beef of some sort
the dude was fired 2 years ago, and from the looks of it gained a bit of weight. I certainly would have a hard time recognizing someone i knew two years prior that had gained weight after glancing at them.
Don't think he was waving it around like you believe. Seems like he pulled it out as soon as the camera panned over to the reporter and lady she was interviewing.
So why release two fake videos that apparently demonstrate how fake it is. What do the alleged conspirators gain by releasing such videos that are so obviously fake?
Because he was probably there, spoke to them before the event asking them to record the story or something. Thats why you dont get a oh shit who is that reaction when she looks at him. She knew he was there, and probably didnt realize the gun, because he didnt come out and jump scare them.
I dunno, maybe she did recognize him. She's on live TV, it would look weird to viewers if she looked off screen, had a visible reaction then went back to the interview.
I'm fascinated by the idea that they make these "attacks" appear well enough to be believable by idiots & sheep, but badly enough to get caught as false/highly suspect by others...
After reading through all these comments, I think I can speak for most of us when I say you fucking suck OP. Like a lot. Good luck not sucking in the future, but I do not have high hopes.
That's what I thought too. Its harder to hit people with handguns than it is rifles but not from that distance. I can get over the fact that she didn't see him initially with the gun because its obvious she had no situational awareness, but it doesn't look like he hit her at all.
Though I do very much believe this is real, how did none of them notice him? Could the reporter not see him from her peripherals? or The woman being interviewed? Very sad.
What's to notice? Before he pulled the trigger, from their perspective he would have come across as just another curious bystander, which is totally normal and to be expected at these sorts of shoots.
Ok after watching the video and looking at everyone's comments I have to say.
1) you can get shot and walk away. Especially if it was a 9mm. Ones your adrenaline kicks in your body wouldn't really know. Because you're in your fight or flight.
2) blood doesn't shoot out of someone's body when they get shot like its a fucking action movie.
3) how did he shoot the video with his hand by his side? We can see it when the camera man drops his camera. Well almost every cell phone made now a days has a arm band you can buy. He could have had one on in order to get that view.
4) with a elbow by you're side and jerking in the trigger of the gun you can throw off your aim by a lot. Just a half inch to one side or the other from a jerking your finger in the trigger can throw it off by feet even that close.
This is just my thought about the whole thing. And as for the cops wanting the BBC footage deleted... I mean common. How many other videos have you watched where coos wanted the same thing done. Even though they legally can't make you do it.
Nah, it is definitely real. People don't explode in a poof of red when they get shot with pistol calibers. They don't get turned off like a light switch from a couple torso shots, either. I was skeptical at first too - but I don't think this one is fake. The part that fucks with me is that I'm so used to the media being manufactured to drive narratives that when something like this actually happens, it immediately triggers the 'bullshit' part of my brain and I jump to looking for reasons to prove it rather than disprove it. Seems backwards
Its very true, he could of missed her and missed everything in the close backround. There is plenty of space for him to shoot into and us not see where the bullet goes.
Also, the shots that missed should have had sparks flying off everything it hit, since you know, everything I know about shootings I learned from watching movies.
Does anything stand out like the fact it's a WHITE man? Not the black man who allegedly blew his brains out after shooting the white chick with blanks?
You need to do better than a blurry image to be taken seriously in any forum outside of /r/conspiracy, and even in a sympathetic sub like this it's a hard sell. If you get something more convincing share it, but what you're suggesting is absurd. Even if this was some kind of government operation, do you really think they'd allow such a comically obvious oversight.
What makes you think I'm doing it? I'm just curious because from the looks of this image (and I can't find more examples) it looks like something OTHER than the "Official" story
I think it's far more likely that the lighting is making this individual appear to have a lighter skin tone then he actually has. I think the mental gymnastics it takes to argue the alternative (this is a false flag which the government has botched by accidentally using a white shooter while creating the online persona of a black man) is too great a hurdle.
http://www.ebuzznew.com/2015/08/26/udfilt.jpg Nope, look at this man's face. What do you notice on the same part of the face that is striking? Could it be the hair-to-ear line, the chin and mouth, or is it maybe a lack of freckles?
You have to understand that you're using an extremely low resolution image though. You could also make the case the shooters left hand is twisted and warped based on the still from the news broadcast. This of course isn't true, it's just because the image is a low resolution still and features will be distorted.
As I said from the start, this amateur analysis of a low resolution still is really unimpressive, and to convince a greater audience outside of a small subgroup of users on /r/conspiracy you're going to have to do better.
No worries, I'm certainly not trying to blame you for the poor resolution. I just want to point out that you're asserting that these are two different individuals based on their physical appearance, despite the fact one of the images is so low resolution you can't even clearly make out very basic features such as hands.
Ive never been shot, and I dont believe this to be fake. But, doesnt the reporter get shot and yet I see no spasms, no blood, entry wound etc. Only seen video once though.
Yep, but if you say so you're putting yourself at risk from NWO soldiers and JIDF shills. The time has come when the government is going to FUCK us all and use tyranny to rule the planet. Plenty of YouTube videos bring to light what the NWO has been doing the last few decades. This fake shooting is just what they need to enslave us all. If you haven't already, consider purchasing a survival kit and fill it with TONS of ammo and pretty much find a decent spot in the wilderness and hold up. I'll let you guys know how things go in the next few days, I'm in SoCal at the moment and shits kicking off as we speak.
keepitgully signing out.
EDIT: If any rebels want information DO NOT hesitate to PM me for info. UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES report to the Feds or any other NWO shills, its every man for himself right now.
dude, the shooting happened....i live here in va and my sister knew her. im not trying to pull that, "oh i know someone involved" BS, but this was a legitimate and tragic event. very very sad. she had so much potential...
Yeah I'm sure it's very much open to b the public right now. Maybe if he let's them know he's from the reddit bureau investigation they'll ok him to check.
really? chill out man, I'm not trolling. who would drive an hour away, take pictures, then drive back, just to prove something to some random person on the internet. nice try at the reverse psychology by the way...
do you have any compelling evidence at all? If you do post it, we can discuss it on the sub, that is totally what this sub is for. If not shut up, and stop implying that people who disagree with you are shills, it's childish.
I didn't know how long the file was going to be available for anyone to download.
I constructed the clip in full speed, followed immediately by a 75% reduction in speed, which focuses on the first 5 seconds [when he walks right up to them holding the gun out] and then skipping to 1 second before the first shot is fired so you can concentrate on the time between the shots and the reactions from the two women.
Having a polished video file with the edits already transposed is much more convenient and practical then mashing VLC hotkeys.
yes, it sounded like blanks were being fired, and how could she start running after getting shot 3 times? and how did none of them see a dude just randomly walk up to them with A GUN IN HIS HAND??
That pic, like the others of him are severely whitewashed. Also if you look at one video of him, (not shooter video) you can plainly see the black/white line surrounding his hands/palms. The contrast between his palm and back of hand is very high, so I would think his back-hand and skin is very dark yet it shows up very light anyway. Anyway, I find it suspicious that his "other" pics have all been heavily faded.
She's also fine, runs away unhurt, probably blanks fired imo. Watch as this thread gets taken over by people insisting it's real. Could also get zeroed out to minimize visibility so upvote good posts!
I was very skeptical about this, but upon watching it over and over. I managed to get a shell ejecting from the gun onto the floor. Now I dont know if they make blanks that eject shells as well but for now Im using that as evidence for being real.
I still want a reason for it to not be real though.
Edit:
Here you can see the shell coming from the upper left corner under "LIVE" A brown smudge. http://imgur.com/12HJKI8
Edit 2:
Here we can see her turn her head over to him right after he pointed the gun at her. She just so happens to not notice a gun on him?1, 2, 3, 4 Looking at him
Yea that's why there is still hope for this being fake.
Notice she has some stride in her step. If he didnt get her the first time being that close, he definitely did not get her at that distance. I also don't see her shirt move or skirt move from a bullet penetrating. Im assuming you would see some type of shockwave throughout the areas of impact but her clothes remain stiff.
If he didnt get her the first time being that close, he definitely did not get her at that distance.
Right.
This video got me thinking about another video I saw because of the distance and the type of gun used (a Glock). Here is a video of a police shooting an unarmed man in Utah with a Glock and further away. Granted he was a cop and had better aim, but this video demonstrates the stopping power of a Glock. [NSFL] http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f2b_1433676159. Whether this story is a hoax, idk. But I find it very suspicious. Who knows...
Holy fuck! The power of one hit. That took him out. I didn't not know they were that lethal. Yeah that definitely should have given her immediate bleeding in that time frame the camera was on her or knocked her down the very least. That guy bled profusely.
Yea, that's why find this all suspicious. That was a full grown man (shot twice) and this was a petite woman. There is no way if she was hit she'd be able to run away like that. But then again, I suppose anything is possible...
The link you posted with the 2 side by side videos works. However the video is not synched properly. Not proving or disproving anything, just something I noticed. Probably just crappy editing by the OP of the video. If I knew how to post a picture as a comment I would post the screenshot I took with the 2 videos not matching up.
What just makes me so fucking furious at you and anyone else trying to argue this is that you think they decided to plan this shit out, get it on live tv, and fucking forget to use a black guys hand? Fuck no.
Because black people come in wide range of shades. Lighting conditions, white balance on the camera. All these can effect what you are seeing. It's far from obvious.
Good observation. Yet another aspect of the video that suggests it may be staged. Maybe the shooter got there to soon and that why he's there not being noticed for what is actually a long time. He raised the gun 1st time...oops to soon wait for camera... Ok shoot.
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20 magicpole 2015-08-27
It doesn't look fake at all.
I don't really understand how people didn't see him holding a gun up and then dropping it back down. However, the motions looked exactly like other pistols I've shot. The shock on the reporter's face is absolutely real. And it's not uncommon for people to get fatally shot and try to run away, their body unaware that it is actually dying incredibly fast (especially with a torso shot, which is where he hit the woman). After the initial shots, he seems to put the phone in his pocket (or tries to), which lines up with the stills captured off the cameraman's camera.
-1 22BroheimianGrove22 2015-08-27
The shock was real, blanks make a loud noise. The full clip from his perspective you see her quickly glance at the guy holding a gun a few feet from her body.
3 SirMildredPierce 2015-08-27
So what happened after the blanks were shot? She and the cameraman went in to hiding and they brought in some fake dead bodies to the crime scene?
-1 22BroheimianGrove22 2015-08-27
It's not my job to prove alternate theories, just that the official account is utter bullshit
3 SirMildredPierce 2015-08-27
Oh okay, well, have you started presenting any evidence that the "official account is utter bullshit" yet?
-2 22BroheimianGrove22 2015-08-27
Do you need a silver platter to eat?
2 SirMildredPierce 2015-08-27
That's a really good point, and backed up by such well researched and presented evidence. You really made me think today. You are so good at this... you should become an investigative journalist, or a lawyer or something.
-2 jimmyb207 2015-08-27
Did anyone in TV land actually see a dead body?
2 SirMildredPierce 2015-08-27
Yes, shots from overhead from a helicopter shows the scene fairly well. I'm on my mobile so it'd be difficult for me to find a link right now.
EDIT: actually I dug up one of the pics: http://i.imgur.com/tgcjez8.jpg I've seen other pics in the same series and also at higher resolution, should take too long to dig them up if you look for them.
1 jimmyb207 2015-08-27
Thanks for your efforts. I zoomed in on the picture and noticed that there is an extensive amount of blood on the stair railing that is directly below the deck on which the cameraman's body is laying. This scene looks legit to me.
0 dragon_nipples 2015-08-27
Yeah blanks and real pistols don't work to well, without a adapter. I don't know what he was shooting, and don't want to watch some fucked up video.
0 22BroheimianGrove22 2015-08-27
You have to watch it to realize it's fake...I assure you there is no blood and bullet wounds in either video, nothing of substance is in either video proving the victims were hit with bullets...that all happened off camera...apparently there's no documentation of suspects chase and suicide either...
2 dragon_nipples 2015-08-27
You people said the same thing about the Boston bombing (you were wrong), same thing about the theater shooting (wrong), Sandy hook (wrong), and everything else.
its seriously is stupid at this point, not everything is fake.
I've seen the video, doesn't look fake to me. Coming from someone who has shot guns all my life.
-23 SynesthesiaBruh 2015-08-27
I did see that.
Well of course...
Stopped reading here.
23 magicpole 2015-08-27
Why'd you stop reading there? If you ask a question which requires the opinion of others and stop reading because you don't like an answer someone is giving you, that doesn't automatically make you correct. It just makes you close-minded.
1 CVBrownie 2015-08-27
Stopped reading there. /s
18 yonkipedia 2015-08-27
No its real. Not everything that shocks you and is hard to stand is fake.
-34 SynesthesiaBruh 2015-08-27
Another intelligently written post that's backed up. You mad?
9 SteelyDude 2015-08-27
Ok...I'll ask. Why in the hell would someone fake this?
4 ImMrMeseeks_lookatme 2015-08-27
Well we seem to get a shooting in America every six weeks. Charleston will have been six weeks ago on Friday. Baltimore was 7 weeks before that. Weird coincidences, I guess. Can't imagine anyone staging something like that, but it is fishy.
3 holocauster-ride 2015-08-27
There are way more shootings than that. Only a few select ones are publicized.
1 skyfire-x 2015-08-27
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-6 SynesthesiaBruh 2015-08-27
Couldn't tell you
8 BluePenguin90 2015-08-27
I am normally all for conspiracies, and I'm not disproving anything. However, I've never shot a handgun, nor a person. I have shot a rifle, and a wild boar (only once) though and the video was nothing like I imagined it to be. I thought it would be bloody and gory. You know, like when I shot the boar I could instantly see the gun wound, and blood was pouring from it. The woman (Alison) didn't even seem to be wounded by the initial shot(s). Maybe I watched the wrong video, but it all seemed weird to me. The camera angle and everything. But then again, I've never shot a handgun, nor a person. Crazy and stupid people though. (PSS: I understand clothes are covering up wounds, and shock can do incredible things, but that's just not what I expected someone who got shot from almost point blank range to do once shot)
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2 BottomlessPete 2015-08-27
liveleak video is deleted
7 DisabledNeckbeard 2015-08-27
My dad was shot back in 08 or 09 in the stomach and I can honestly tell you there wasn't all that much blood coming out of him. He lived and everything was fine this was also done from point blank range the guy shot through his car window into his stomach. He drove home and when he got there I took him to the hospital there was barely any blood on the seat and barely any on his clothes.
1 JonasBrosSuck 2015-08-27
kind of related that the cops told the journalist to delete the crash footage http://www.pri.org/stories/2015-08-26/virginia-police-order-bbc-journalists-delete-footage-suspected-shooters-crash
-6 TA_Dreamin 2015-08-27
thats because the first shots were to the camera man, not the reporter. Anybody who is claiming this is a hoax needs to have their head examined. Like seriously, go down to your local psychiatrist and make and appointment.
3 Rocket_Admin_Patrick 2015-08-27
You need to go to an eye doctor, the first shots were obviously fired at the reporter.
2 reputable_opinion 2015-08-27
-1 TA_Dreamin 2015-08-27
http://apollo-na-uploads.s3.amazonaws.com/1430528631486/givingadvice.jpg
2 theguywhobeatjoe 2015-08-27
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8c1_1440614732 If the first shots were to the camera man I think you need to have your head examined....
7 godiebiel 2015-08-27
If you mean the shots he missed, yes that is normal, this isn't some fps game, just raising a gun and firing without knowledge of firearms will have you shooting everywhere.
-6 SynesthesiaBruh 2015-08-27
He was 3 feet away I mean seriously. I'm not foreign to firearms.
EDIT: Removed video link.
10 BlackenedBlued 2015-08-27
He was shooting one handed so that he could record with his other hand and I'm guessing he's an inexperienced shooter.
9 Balthanos 2015-08-27
Huh, I didn't realize he waited until it was on camera.
-6 SynesthesiaBruh 2015-08-27
Not sure what you mean by this.
11 Balthanos 2015-08-27
Did you notice that when he held his gun up the first time the cameraman was panning some B roll? He waited until the camera dude panned the camera back to the ladies before he opened fire.
-2 jimmyb207 2015-08-27
Good observation. Yet another aspect of the video that suggests it may be staged. Maybe the shooter got there to soon and that why he's there not being noticed for what is actually a long time. He raised the gun 1st time...oops to soon wait for camera... Ok shoot.
1 Apellosine 2015-08-27
Or it suggests that he wanted the shooting to be captured by the camera for maximum exposure?
1 SirMildredPierce 2015-08-27
How is that an indication it was faked? If it was fake wouldn't they just do another take and get it right?
-10 SynesthesiaBruh 2015-08-27
I see what you're saying now, but I'm not sure what that has to do with his aim?
EDIT: Video link removed. Not sure how I posted that.
5 Balthanos 2015-08-27
I'm not the first guy you were talking with. I didn't bring up anything about aim.. just made an observation on your linked video there.
-10 SynesthesiaBruh 2015-08-27
Oh oh oh I see now. I have no idea how I posted that video now that I realize that I did...
5 FissionFusion 2015-08-27
The TV camera was pointing to the right, not on the women.
3 TA_Dreamin 2015-08-27
if you watch his video, he specifically waits to start shooting until Ward pans the camera back on the two women.
-6 SynesthesiaBruh 2015-08-27
That could be evidence for either though.
4 mdbenson 2015-08-27
It's kind hard to tell exactly how far away he is, but even at that distance, shooting one handed, missing isn't that unlikely.
7 creiss74 2015-08-27
So if it was all fake, why would the conspirators release such shitty videos? Why release a video form the shooter's perspective at all?
0 adrixshadow 2015-08-27
What hypes the media?
What a stupid question.
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8 creiss74 2015-08-27
So some group, presumably the government, faked this shooting in a supposedly sloppy way. Then they decided to release two video perspectives which supposedly show the whole thing as fake - for entertainment?
A conspiracy for the lulz?
6 [deleted] 2015-08-27
in his perspective video we see that she looks at the shooters face before turning away and ignoring him. how did she not recognize him if they used to work together? he seemed to leave a bad taste in their mouth apparently so you would think shed remember him
12 Chimodawg 2015-08-27
She was in the middle of doing an interview live on TV. She had to act professional. People crowd round tv cameras all the time.
-9 [deleted] 2015-08-27
that i understand but she showed no reaction in the face to seeing him. it was as if he was just some rando when in actuality they had beef of some sort
7 TA_Dreamin 2015-08-27
the dude was fired 2 years ago, and from the looks of it gained a bit of weight. I certainly would have a hard time recognizing someone i knew two years prior that had gained weight after glancing at them.
4 SynesthesiaBruh 2015-08-27
Also, how the fuck does nobody see someone waving a gun around right infront of himself like a drunk?
4 poopmaster747 2015-08-27
Don't think he was waving it around like you believe. Seems like he pulled it out as soon as the camera panned over to the reporter and lady she was interviewing.
-6 I_DefinatlyCantSpell 2015-08-27
Because they had to make it look like a first-person shooter. Duh!
In all seriousness. Shits fake yo.
7 creiss74 2015-08-27
So why release two fake videos that apparently demonstrate how fake it is. What do the alleged conspirators gain by releasing such videos that are so obviously fake?
2 sleazlybeasly 2015-08-27
Because he was probably there, spoke to them before the event asking them to record the story or something. Thats why you dont get a oh shit who is that reaction when she looks at him. She knew he was there, and probably didnt realize the gun, because he didnt come out and jump scare them.
1 Matemeo 2015-08-27
I dunno, maybe she did recognize him. She's on live TV, it would look weird to viewers if she looked off screen, had a visible reaction then went back to the interview.
3 awareness1111 2015-08-27
I'm fascinated by the idea that they make these "attacks" appear well enough to be believable by idiots & sheep, but badly enough to get caught as false/highly suspect by others...
-8 SynesthesiaBruh 2015-08-27
I'm just raising a question, sir.
3 JonasBrosSuck 2015-08-27
noob question, if this is really fake, what's stopping them from planning the whole thing and have them shot for real? why even make a fake shooting?
1 adrixshadow 2015-08-27
If you shoot your agents your agents might have second thoughts next time.
Shooting for real means real crimes with real witness and real sorrow and real vengeance.
-2 SynesthesiaBruh 2015-08-27
Good point.
3 JonasBrosSuck 2015-08-27
yeah just rambling here, also saw the link that the cops made the journalist delete the crash video which is weird http://www.pri.org/stories/2015-08-26/virginia-police-order-bbc-journalists-delete-footage-suspected-shooters-crash
3 asshair 2015-08-27
After reading through all these comments, I think I can speak for most of us when I say you fucking suck OP. Like a lot. Good luck not sucking in the future, but I do not have high hopes.
2 Blue-Phone-Box 2015-08-27
That's what I thought too. Its harder to hit people with handguns than it is rifles but not from that distance. I can get over the fact that she didn't see him initially with the gun because its obvious she had no situational awareness, but it doesn't look like he hit her at all.
-7 SynesthesiaBruh 2015-08-27
Right?
1 Apocalibz 2015-08-27
Though I do very much believe this is real, how did none of them notice him? Could the reporter not see him from her peripherals? or The woman being interviewed? Very sad.
3 SirMildredPierce 2015-08-27
What's to notice? Before he pulled the trigger, from their perspective he would have come across as just another curious bystander, which is totally normal and to be expected at these sorts of shoots.
1 juke_box_zero 2015-08-27
Ok after watching the video and looking at everyone's comments I have to say. 1) you can get shot and walk away. Especially if it was a 9mm. Ones your adrenaline kicks in your body wouldn't really know. Because you're in your fight or flight. 2) blood doesn't shoot out of someone's body when they get shot like its a fucking action movie. 3) how did he shoot the video with his hand by his side? We can see it when the camera man drops his camera. Well almost every cell phone made now a days has a arm band you can buy. He could have had one on in order to get that view. 4) with a elbow by you're side and jerking in the trigger of the gun you can throw off your aim by a lot. Just a half inch to one side or the other from a jerking your finger in the trigger can throw it off by feet even that close.
This is just my thought about the whole thing. And as for the cops wanting the BBC footage deleted... I mean common. How many other videos have you watched where coos wanted the same thing done. Even though they legally can't make you do it.
1 tight_lips_tony 2015-08-27
Her face has been blurred.
It's fake.
1 BeamMeUpScarlett 2015-08-27
Nah, it is definitely real. People don't explode in a poof of red when they get shot with pistol calibers. They don't get turned off like a light switch from a couple torso shots, either. I was skeptical at first too - but I don't think this one is fake. The part that fucks with me is that I'm so used to the media being manufactured to drive narratives that when something like this actually happens, it immediately triggers the 'bullshit' part of my brain and I jump to looking for reasons to prove it rather than disprove it. Seems backwards
1 reputable_opinion 2015-08-27
look how this thread got manipulated. thanks JTRIG. pointing out the trees from the shadows.
0 n1nj4_v5_p1r4t3 2015-08-27
Yes! No blood. No bullet ricochet. No coherent video after the third shot. The media response to this has been awkward.
6 mdbenson 2015-08-27
If she was hit right away (shooting one handed is wildly inaccurate), she is wearing a black blouse. You wouldn't see blood right away.
-2 n1nj4_v5_p1r4t3 2015-08-27
Entrance implosion? physical movement of her body as a round struck it? none of that is seen here
4 mdbenson 2015-08-27
Assuming she got hit with those first few rounds.
Those things you mentioned aren't always apparent.
It's a pretty shitty quality video one way or another.
3 n1nj4_v5_p1r4t3 2015-08-27
Its very true, he could of missed her and missed everything in the close backround. There is plenty of space for him to shoot into and us not see where the bullet goes.
0 CowboyWithBluePants 2015-08-27
Seriously, I haven't seen anyone talk about this. I didn't even see the camera man get shot or anything. It's so odd.
0 SirMildredPierce 2015-08-27
Also, the shots that missed should have had sparks flying off everything it hit, since you know, everything I know about shootings I learned from watching movies.
2 n1nj4_v5_p1r4t3 2015-08-27
I expected a car to blow up too.
0 greenspikefrog 2015-08-27
What do you think of this image? http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-H_0dIlu3uLs/Vd3IljJFOSI/AAAAAAAAelw/-wZP4TPXsMs/s1600/2BACDE2100000578-3211529-A_gunman_is_on_the_loose_after_apparently_attacking_a_television-m-18_1440596708808.jpg Allegedly it was from the UK Press and among the earlier images posted.
3 Tewks44 2015-08-27
I think it's a blurry still from the footage. What are you trying to imply?
-4 greenspikefrog 2015-08-27
Does anything stand out like the fact it's a WHITE man? Not the black man who allegedly blew his brains out after shooting the white chick with blanks?
4 Tewks44 2015-08-27
You need to do better than a blurry image to be taken seriously in any forum outside of /r/conspiracy, and even in a sympathetic sub like this it's a hard sell. If you get something more convincing share it, but what you're suggesting is absurd. Even if this was some kind of government operation, do you really think they'd allow such a comically obvious oversight.
0 greenspikefrog 2015-08-27
What makes you think I'm doing it? I'm just curious because from the looks of this image (and I can't find more examples) it looks like something OTHER than the "Official" story
4 Tewks44 2015-08-27
I think it's far more likely that the lighting is making this individual appear to have a lighter skin tone then he actually has. I think the mental gymnastics it takes to argue the alternative (this is a false flag which the government has botched by accidentally using a white shooter while creating the online persona of a black man) is too great a hurdle.
-1 greenspikefrog 2015-08-27
http://www.ebuzznew.com/2015/08/26/udfilt.jpg Nope, look at this man's face. What do you notice on the same part of the face that is striking? Could it be the hair-to-ear line, the chin and mouth, or is it maybe a lack of freckles?
3 Tewks44 2015-08-27
You have to understand that you're using an extremely low resolution image though. You could also make the case the shooters left hand is twisted and warped based on the still from the news broadcast. This of course isn't true, it's just because the image is a low resolution still and features will be distorted.
As I said from the start, this amateur analysis of a low resolution still is really unimpressive, and to convince a greater audience outside of a small subgroup of users on /r/conspiracy you're going to have to do better.
0 greenspikefrog 2015-08-27
Sorry for the resolution, I'm just directly linking to the Twilight Language Blog where I found the image.
3 Tewks44 2015-08-27
No worries, I'm certainly not trying to blame you for the poor resolution. I just want to point out that you're asserting that these are two different individuals based on their physical appearance, despite the fact one of the images is so low resolution you can't even clearly make out very basic features such as hands.
0 cakes_and_pies 2015-08-27
This scene just blows my mind:
http://i.imgur.com/GwxfK7j.png
3 datpurp 2015-08-27
What am I looking at here? Forgive my ignorance. I can't tell why they chose this shot.
2 cakes_and_pies 2015-08-27
It's a side-by-side view. View on the left is from the newscast, and the view on the right is from the gunman. The videos are synced: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfT5AfDErRo&feature=youtu.be
-5 datpurp 2015-08-27
Oh ok so it doesn't match up. Couldn't tell that from the image. Crazy though can't believe it doesn't match up.
4 cakes_and_pies 2015-08-27
Maybe I'm missing something. What do you mean by "it doesn't match up"?
0 I_love_mondays 2015-08-27
Ive never been shot, and I dont believe this to be fake. But, doesnt the reporter get shot and yet I see no spasms, no blood, entry wound etc. Only seen video once though.
0 keepitgully 2015-08-27
Yep, but if you say so you're putting yourself at risk from NWO soldiers and JIDF shills. The time has come when the government is going to FUCK us all and use tyranny to rule the planet. Plenty of YouTube videos bring to light what the NWO has been doing the last few decades. This fake shooting is just what they need to enslave us all. If you haven't already, consider purchasing a survival kit and fill it with TONS of ammo and pretty much find a decent spot in the wilderness and hold up. I'll let you guys know how things go in the next few days, I'm in SoCal at the moment and shits kicking off as we speak.
keepitgully signing out.
EDIT: If any rebels want information DO NOT hesitate to PM me for info. UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES report to the Feds or any other NWO shills, its every man for himself right now.
-1 tight_lips_tony 2015-08-27
Notice the army of redditors trying to convince you the shooting actually occurred.
9 f0rkyou 2015-08-27
dude, the shooting happened....i live here in va and my sister knew her. im not trying to pull that, "oh i know someone involved" BS, but this was a legitimate and tragic event. very very sad. she had so much potential...
-1 adrixshadow 2015-08-27
Can you go to the location and look at the bullet holes in the wood?
2 CVBrownie 2015-08-27
Yeah I'm sure it's very much open to b the public right now. Maybe if he let's them know he's from the reddit bureau investigation they'll ok him to check.
2 f0rkyou 2015-08-27
I could, but why would I drive an hour out of my way to do that?
0 adrixshadow 2015-08-27
Then what the fuck are you doing in r/conspiracy then?
If you have no interest then aren't you a troll in the truest sense of the word?
1 f0rkyou 2015-08-27
really? chill out man, I'm not trolling. who would drive an hour away, take pictures, then drive back, just to prove something to some random person on the internet. nice try at the reverse psychology by the way...
1 adrixshadow 2015-08-27
Why are you here?
1 f0rkyou 2015-08-27
to contribute, asshat... why the fuck are you here?
2 Tewks44 2015-08-27
do you have any compelling evidence at all? If you do post it, we can discuss it on the sub, that is totally what this sub is for. If not shut up, and stop implying that people who disagree with you are shills, it's childish.
-6 tight_lips_tony 2015-08-27
shill.
downvoted.
-19 SynesthesiaBruh 2015-08-27
Not sure what I did to piss you off, but idk it seems pretty even to me m8. And by m8, I mean never my m8 phagget.
2 tight_lips_tony 2015-08-27
not gay, sorry. it is spelled "faggot" just so you know how to refer to your lovers.
-1 [deleted] 2015-08-27
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1 tight_lips_tony 2015-08-27
Keep wishing bro, but my penis will never plug your butt so keep wishing.
How old are you by the way?
-1 reputable_opinion 2015-08-27
sounds like blanks to me.
5 mdbenson 2015-08-27
It's pretty hard to capture good audio from a phone mic held inches from a handgun.
1 reputable_opinion 2015-08-27
it doesn't have to be good quality audio to determine what it contains.
0 theguywhobeatjoe 2015-08-27
You're not the only one...
-2 B1naryD1git 2015-08-27
No
-2 BabyBunt 2015-08-27
I slowed the footage down by 75% for anybody that wants to analyze it, just send me a pm and I'll give you the download link.
15 pickle182 2015-08-27
Or instead of downloading some random guys file on the Internet, open the video in VLC and adjust playback speed.
5 f0rkyou 2015-08-27
you deserve gold
2 BabyBunt 2015-08-27
I didn't know how long the file was going to be available for anyone to download.
I constructed the clip in full speed, followed immediately by a 75% reduction in speed, which focuses on the first 5 seconds [when he walks right up to them holding the gun out] and then skipping to 1 second before the first shot is fired so you can concentrate on the time between the shots and the reactions from the two women.
Having a polished video file with the edits already transposed is much more convenient and practical then mashing VLC hotkeys.
3 abertsa 2015-08-27
just post it then
-1 BabyBunt 2015-08-27
I tried.
-2 thegr8rambino13 2015-08-27
yes, it sounded like blanks were being fired, and how could she start running after getting shot 3 times? and how did none of them see a dude just randomly walk up to them with A GUN IN HIS HAND??
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4 ShakesJr 2015-08-27
jesus christ, buddy.
0 facebookhero3 2015-08-27
What did he say?
0 TomHanks94 2015-08-27
what'd he say?
-6 natavism 2015-08-27
It's a white guy's hand that reaches out and fires the gun, lol
2 Gung_Honess 2015-08-27
Have you seen the pic of his face? He had very light skin for a black man. His hand looked the exact same color as his face in my opinion.
0 natavism 2015-08-27
This is the man in question, lol
https://s.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/c7iClQ_j2ocFpqtPhJ_qgg--/YXBwaWQ9eWlzZWFyY2g7Zmk9Zml0O2dlPTAwNjYwMDtncz0wMEEzMDA7aD01MzM7dz00MDA-/http://img2-2.timeinc.net/people/i/2015/news/150907/vester-flanagan-435.jpg.cf.jpg
2 shoziku 2015-08-27
That pic, like the others of him are severely whitewashed. Also if you look at one video of him, (not shooter video) you can plainly see the black/white line surrounding his hands/palms. The contrast between his palm and back of hand is very high, so I would think his back-hand and skin is very dark yet it shows up very light anyway. Anyway, I find it suspicious that his "other" pics have all been heavily faded.
0 facebookhero3 2015-08-27
Seems very odd indeed...
-2 natavism 2015-08-27
https://youtu.be/FfT5AfDErRo
She's also fine, runs away unhurt, probably blanks fired imo. Watch as this thread gets taken over by people insisting it's real. Could also get zeroed out to minimize visibility so upvote good posts!
7 I_DefinatlyCantSpell 2015-08-27
I was very skeptical about this, but upon watching it over and over. I managed to get a shell ejecting from the gun onto the floor. Now I dont know if they make blanks that eject shells as well but for now Im using that as evidence for being real.
I still want a reason for it to not be real though.
Edit: Here you can see the shell coming from the upper left corner under "LIVE" A brown smudge. http://imgur.com/12HJKI8
Here it is falling even more. http://imgur.com/dkE0sp4
And here you can see it much more clearly http://imgur.com/nFZHgsK
Edit 2: Here we can see her turn her head over to him right after he pointed the gun at her. She just so happens to not notice a gun on him?1, 2, 3, 4 Looking at him
Edit 3: Link to the video of the images above. Go to 0:13 to watch her turn to him.
5 Putin_loves_cats 2015-08-27
Blanks in a semi-auto handgun (any gun for that matter) will eject a casing, just saying...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blank_%28cartridge%29
-3 I_DefinatlyCantSpell 2015-08-27
Yea that's why there is still hope for this being fake.
Notice she has some stride in her step. If he didnt get her the first time being that close, he definitely did not get her at that distance. I also don't see her shirt move or skirt move from a bullet penetrating. Im assuming you would see some type of shockwave throughout the areas of impact but her clothes remain stiff.
1 Putin_loves_cats 2015-08-27
Right.
This video got me thinking about another video I saw because of the distance and the type of gun used (a Glock). Here is a video of a police shooting an unarmed man in Utah with a Glock and further away. Granted he was a cop and had better aim, but this video demonstrates the stopping power of a Glock. [NSFL] http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f2b_1433676159. Whether this story is a hoax, idk. But I find it very suspicious. Who knows...
3 f0rkyou 2015-08-27
not all glocks are the same caliber
-1 Putin_loves_cats 2015-08-27
No shit, they come in .40 and 9mm. The two calibers are nearly identical, but the .40 is slightly more powerful. I've already responded to you in another thread and yes he was using hollow points, just like the cop in the video I linked here. https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/29359459/virginia-shooter-my-hollow-point-bullets-have-the-victims-initials-on-them/
2 f0rkyou 2015-08-27
👍 didn't realize it was you, sorry...
I'm not trying to compare 9mm and. 40 whatsoever. I'm just saying they come in a wide range of calibers as well as wide range of different ammo
1 I_DefinatlyCantSpell 2015-08-27
Holy fuck! The power of one hit. That took him out. I didn't not know they were that lethal. Yeah that definitely should have given her immediate bleeding in that time frame the camera was on her or knocked her down the very least. That guy bled profusely.
0 Putin_loves_cats 2015-08-27
Yea, that's why find this all suspicious. That was a full grown man (shot twice) and this was a petite woman. There is no way if she was hit she'd be able to run away like that. But then again, I suppose anything is possible...
4 Dogeholio 2015-08-27
If the round did not hit a vital organ there is no reason she would not be able to run.
1 TA_Dreamin 2015-08-27
real life is not like CSI buddy.
-1 Putin_loves_cats 2015-08-27
Watch the video of a real life cop shooting a man with a Glock a few feet away, buddy.
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0 Putin_loves_cats 2015-08-27
I take it someone didn't watch the video. He was shot twice in the chest. Nice try though!
3 Allenbluethrowaway 2015-08-27
Fourth picture link is dead, for some reason.
4 I_DefinatlyCantSpell 2015-08-27
Hmmm. Well it was just an image of her staring at him and then going back but her face is a bit distorted. Ill try to re upload.
1 thoughts_can_kill 2015-08-27
The link you posted with the 2 side by side videos works. However the video is not synched properly. Not proving or disproving anything, just something I noticed. Probably just crappy editing by the OP of the video. If I knew how to post a picture as a comment I would post the screenshot I took with the 2 videos not matching up.
1 I_DefinatlyCantSpell 2015-08-27
Yeah they're synched off by a bit of time which makes it a bit difficult to view side by side shots but there's no doubt she looked at him.
0 davidtoni 2015-08-27
Yes, blanks are indeed ejected.
-4 natavism 2015-08-27
the gunman's hand is clearly that of a white man, and the alleged shooter is clearly a black man - Vester Flanagan aka Bryce Williams
https://youtu.be/FfT5AfDErRo
6 CVBrownie 2015-08-27
What just makes me so fucking furious at you and anyone else trying to argue this is that you think they decided to plan this shit out, get it on live tv, and fucking forget to use a black guys hand? Fuck no.
-3 natavism 2015-08-27
then why is the guy's hand obviously white? lol good luck getting furious and ignoring evidence
5 SirMildredPierce 2015-08-27
Because black people come in wide range of shades. Lighting conditions, white balance on the camera. All these can effect what you are seeing. It's far from obvious.
1 tight_lips_tony 2015-08-27
yep yep yep.
psy-op again.
-3 [deleted] 2015-08-27
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0 SovereignMan 2015-08-27
Rules 1 & 4. Removed. This is your only warning.
-4 facebookhero3 2015-08-27
This
-10 SynesthesiaBruh 2015-08-27
I see what you're saying now, but I'm not sure what that has to do with his aim?
EDIT: Video link removed. Not sure how I posted that.
-2 jimmyb207 2015-08-27
Good observation. Yet another aspect of the video that suggests it may be staged. Maybe the shooter got there to soon and that why he's there not being noticed for what is actually a long time. He raised the gun 1st time...oops to soon wait for camera... Ok shoot.