Are you kidding with this?

So for one, both camera angles stay on or around Alison for maybe a second after the first shot is fired. Adam's angle drops quickly as does Vester's.

But in that second angle from Vester we can see most of the first shots are directed at Alison. So I'm pretty sure Adam just dropped the camera or threw it off to run or possibly subdue the attacker.

What I think happens is this. He fires about ten rounds total. His first few are directed at Alison. That we can be sure of. She probably fell to the ground very shortly after and the gunman likely started firing at the third woman and Adam as quickly as possible. He very likely fired at Adam as soon as he dropped the camera.

I just can't believe you're pointing to a few drops of blood and saying "explain this, steeple!"

You think the conspirators would have invested a couple bucks in those Hollywood blood sprayer things, right? If this is a staged event it's a piss poor attempt, and I don't mean production. I'm talking theme. Do you see the media blowing up over this? Is everyone talking about it at the water cooler? Are people demanding gun reform en masse? Not really. The response in those regards has been tepid.

If you're going to fake an event for the liberal media to use, you better get a bit more creative. Get some good makeup and make your actor look like Christopher Lloyd's character from Dennis The Menace, give him a few semi automatics, and have him mow down a couple dozen actors dressed as hippies in Starbucks with Bernie Sanders stickers on their MacBook pros.

Sorry. I typed this late last night and I think it was supposed to be in response to someone else.

Also a shell casing, which people are claiming don't exist.

good eye. looks to be moving pretty fast but it could def be a casing falling to the ground.

Looks to me like the shell casing ejected forward and then we're seeing it bounce off to the side.

What moron thinks there was a conspiracy here? Jesus if you do get help seriously.

A huge contingent on this sub - it's fucking sad really.

A huge contingent on this sub

No..not really a "huge" contingent. There maybe several that feel very strongly about it. It may be sad to you...but I am grateful there are people like this that will keep digging no matter what. Let them have at it. What is sad is the fact that there are people who gobble up the MSM tripe on a daily basis. What if everyone was like that? Nobody questions the source if it comes from the "approved and official" MSM TV sources? What's sad is a world like that would make some people very happy.

This photo is what probably changed my mind from the staged mind set to an actual crazy dude with a gun mindset...for the most part.

grateful there are people like this that will keep digging no matter what.

Even when they choose to refuse the evidence presented to them? I'm not thankful for people that refuse to accept evidence and base their opinions on that.

Nobody questions the source if it comes from the "approved and official" MSM TV sources?

It is just as sad when they refuse to question or call the "alternative media" on their shit.

it's fucking sad really.

fcuk off and get a life somewhere else then.

why do you bother abusing and insulting people who question.

we did not ask nor pay for you to come here and insult us.

insulting people who question.

The people calling this a false flag are not questioning! That's the whole point.

People that jump on the "literally every event that makes the news is fake and they used actors" etc. make people like me look like a mouth-breathing fucktard when I mention real conspiracies the government has been caught red handed with like the wiretapping of every phone in the country, the Tuskegee Syphilis Trials, MK-Ultra, Project Mockingbird, the repeal of the Smith-Mundt act etc.

Im glad I wasnt the only one who saw this detail.

you're right, blood is impossible to fake ...c'mon man I thought this was gonna be something good

Obviously Agent Smith was standing there with a bottle of fake blood dripping it just for the camera

..... /s

Hadn't noticed that previously.

The News last night said that the reporter and person being interviewed were both blinded by the bright light being shined on them and the killer stood in the light. I don't see any light stand set up. Also, the autopsy says both the cameraman and reporter died from headshots and the reporter was also shot in the chest. I guess it's possible to be shot in the chest and then run 10 yards fast and looking healthy out of adrenaline but the killer's video didn't appear to show any wounds to the reporter's chest.

Is anyone having similar thoughts? It's difficult even typing what I really see because it doesn't agree with the media's reporting and I think I might be crazy.

edit: How did the killer time it so perfectly? The segment was going to be 1 minute long I think and he walked up on them at the exact moment that they were live on air?

I responded to a comment saying that there was a light on top of the camera that was since deleted but I might as well respond anyway: I saw that too. However, the cameraman is turned away from the interview when the gunman walks up and initially points the gun. There was no light directed at the interview when the gunman first pointed the gun and stood there, the cameraman was filming the scenery to his right. The report that I saw was misleading. It set up a vertical umbrella with a blinding light as if it was a stationary light during the whole interview. The report by Jim Avila (ABC News) was obviously misleading and false.

I do professional video work and use a much lower power led light than the cameraman used here, people tend to take quite some time to readjust and he likely had been pointing it and framing the shot/adjusting color etc before turning to start with the pan.

Your eyes take more than an instant to readjust, and you actually want to be in that condition so you don't squint when the light hits you out of the blue during the shot.

Thanks, that makes sense and I didn't consider it.

I do professional video work

yet you waste your valuable professional time debating morons here !?

do you do it for charity or something, penance !?

OH - so everyone here is online because it is there job. No one could possibly be an expert in a field other than watching Infowars videos and buying Berkey Water Filters huh?

I don't see any light stand set up.

What is that on top of the camera? - and pay close attention to the woman's white jacket as he turns...

but the killer's video didn't appear to show any wounds to the reporter's chest.

Handguns in real world use miss ~70% of the shots fired even at close range - we see two rounds fired is the killer's video before the camera is dropped in his pocket. He continues firing at least 9 rounds.

How did the killer time it so perfectly? The segment was going to be 1 minute long I think and he walked up on them at the exact moment that they were live on air?

These stand ups are an ad buy 90% of the time. News and radio work on a pretty standard clock - most stations will have their commercial breaks at within 90 seconds of the exact same time every hour on the hour (e.g. Traffic on the 8s etc. usually set that way because ad blocks are set on the 10 minute mark and that gives you a perfect time to segue into them with your outro being a stay tuned for X pitch."

Anyone working in TV or Radio could have followed their giant truck with huge station logos all over it easily - and then just hung around until they were getting ready to shoot the segment.

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How about the news using a photo from the practice run, time stamp of 6:00a, to ID him:

http://youtu.be/v_gYyVXMF88

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Rules 4 & 10. Removed.

The video is from black child and from Chuck D.

Fuck me? Fuck you!

It's the same graphic with the same text from the same station.

Odds are I will get cancer and die, the only thing I smear is cream cheese you fake fuck.

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Everyone keeps saying she had a problem with him before this - but there is no evidence of it. There is evidence the cameraman had an issue with him.

4:23 in the video: "Please tell me at what point did we all see his face"

Ok - Right here: http://imgur.com/Ywl5h0Y

Some people have better tools than just trying to slow down the video, if you walk frame by frame - as they clearly did to get the still, and they had access to the actual source from the camera, not a recompressed copy of a recompressed copy via youtube, it is clear it is in the video.

The fucking time stamp is because it is a photo of a different news agency that is showing the image.

Most likely in a different timezone. - are we supposed to ignore all the previous footage in this very video that shows the time is on the right hand side in the original footage - and in fact all of the stations graphics package?

Are we supposed to ignore that there is a completely different station identification over the CBS logo in the photo with the 6:00 time on screen?

yet the fake gunman targeted the woman first.

why !

she would have had to have been a super racist and hateful anti-gay person to get the star treatment from a gay black gunman.

this guy wants her dead first.

yet the fake gunman targeted the woman first.

why !

Because he wanted the shooting to be on camera? Hmm... could that be it?

wasn't the gunman upset because he perceived she got his job? maybe "teaching her a lesson"? also i believe he mentioned she made racist comments and he also said he was pissed about the dylan roof shootings. maybe he was taking it out on her because she was a "racist" in his mind?

The timestamp is on the left hand side of the screen.

The station originally broadcasting it has their time on the right hand side. In all the videos, not just related to this, you will find that their graphics package put the time in the right side of the chyron.

The photo the youtube MASON ILLUMINATE NOTHING BAD HAPPENS THAT ISN'T PART OF THE CABAL dipshit uses and intentionally obsfucates, is taken from a completely different news program.

One that clearly has their channel branding and time on the left - why would a CBS affiliate cover up their own logo in their expensive branding package?

This might illustrate the problem better.

And how is the dead camera man above the large camera for the drips to drop down in front of it, but not in view of the camera?

If he were shot in an artery and he tried to stop the bleeding with his hand, that could cause the squirt on the ground followed by some drips being seen, whilst himself not being in view of the camera.

Maybe he was standing, then later dropped (Standing would require less blood pressure to fall infront of the camera)

Maybe he fell over the camera, having the blood drip straight down, and then fell backwards.

maybe maybe maybe. Speculation is pointless though.

Never seen an arterial spray have you?

Sigh. That looks like part of the wood to me.

Blow it up to fullscreen and look at the right few planks, you'll see some drops appear.

They don't appear out of nowhere, if you look closely in the first couple of seconds, they are still there, only blurred. The camera is not in focus, and then it goes into focus, making it look like drops are appearing. This isn't anything, really. It doesn't prove that this wasn't a false flag.

Uuhhh...you can see the arch of blood for a split second before it splatters onto the wood.

Stop smoking crack.

I'm not very good at making .gifs, so excuse the drop in quality as I had to make some rather quality impeding choices.

But in this gif it plays forward, then reverses before the loop starting again: http://i.imgur.com/vlcbz4h.gif

You can see several drips appearing on the right side beyond a mere focus change.

That's a much better gif. Thank you! However, it's still enough to convince me that this story is real. I don't smoke crack, I'm just very skeptic. I have a lot of questions. My only question here would be why three drops fall at one second, and then one falls at a different second. Wouldn't all of the drops hit the ground at the same time?

Ever take a physics class?

Why would the spray be all at the exact same height and trajectory?

Go buy a $0.99 squirt gun and spray it - do all the drops land at the exact same time?

There is a difference between being a skeptic and foolish, you are leaning toward the latter if you are really letting yourself be confused by questions such as "why doesn't ever drop land at the exact same time?"

I was just asking a question, I appreciate your answer. I'm only looking to obtain information, I'm not claiming that I know everything. I would like to believe that this story is real, but it is still very fishy to me.

I am literally dumbstruck that even with all the evidence being handed to you on a silver platter you are still saying it seems fishy.

You know why it does?

Because you are not asking the key question: Has there ever been a single violent crime news story that made it to national news since this subreddit was founded, that did not have multiple, unfounded, biased posts make it to the front page of this sub calling it a government false flag?

Can you name a single one?

Maybe, just maybe, a bunch of fucking seed sellers and shitty investment hawks make a ton of money getting people to read their crap and listen to their radio by claiming every news story is a conspiracy.

Maybe, just maybe, it would be very helpful for a government that does conduct shady shit, to poison the well and make anyone that subscribes to forums discussing their shady shit look like idiots by constantly claiming that literally everything is a conspiracy.

And finally, maybe, just maybe, there really is a mental health problem among our population and some people really do think the only reason bad shit occurs is because a spooky government boogey man allowed or faked it.

Honestly, I can't speak for the other posters. I personally do not think every violent crime news story is a conspiracy. I believe that the recent France train shooting really happened.

The evidence I would like handed to me on a silver platter:

• Dash cam video of the chase (we will never see this)
• A picture of him in the stretcher with his face not blurred (too many news stories stated he killed himself in his vehicle, while others stated he died in the hospital)
• Surveillance video from the airport parking lot where the shooter supposedly switched from his car (ford mustang) to a rental car
• Video taken by the BBC reporters that the VA cops forced them to delete (even though if they do recover it, it could of easily been edited by now)
• Any photos of the surviving woman taken that day

I'm sorry that this gif isn't enough for me, but I'm not buying the story. The hardest part for me to believe was the switch out at the airport from his car to the rental car.

Surveillance video from the airport parking lot where the shooter supposedly switched from his car (ford mustang) to a rental car

They found his car in the parking lot - it had been there for weeks because he rented the rental car almost a month earlier. This is how they fucking knew to be looking for the other car which was found by a license plate scanner - he likely never went to the airport on the day of the shooting and if you had been listening to the VA Police Feed on Broadcastify like me and thousands of others, you would have heard them discuss that.

You are literally are refusing to accept reality unless you have a video of the entirety of the days happenings from beginning to end - do you even for one second think that sounds reasonable?

And further who the fuck benefits here?

This is what the news reported - "Around 11 a.m., authorities said they located Flanagan’s greyish-colored, 2009 Mustang at the Roanake Regional Airport. Flanagan fled the airport in another car — a Chevrolet Sonic, which officials said he rented earlier in the month." (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2015/08/26/tv-camera-crew-caught-in-active-shooter-situation-in-southwest-virginia/)

"In a news conference on Wednesday afternoon, Franklin County Sheriff Bill Overton said Flanagan left the scene of the crime and drove his 2009 Ford Mustang to the Roanoke Regional Airport. He then left the airport in a Chevrolet Sonic that he rented earlier in the month. The Mustang has been recovered as evidence." (http://wtkr.com/2015/08/26/suspected-active-shooter-investigation-involving-news-crew-underway-at-smith-mountain-lake/)

They are stating he went to the airport and switched out his car. What's so bad about wanting video evidence of that? I find it to be the biggest red flag in this story.

a Chevrolet Sonic, which officials said he rented earlier in the month.

Well, based on the scanner audio they reported they discovered he had rented the car after they found the mustang they were looking for based on the DMV records - no one saw him drive away etc.

The airport is like a 5 minute drive away from the location of the shooting, how does this debunk anything if he did OR did not drive there?

Maybe he left the car there 2 weeks ago and has been driving around in the rental all this time - doesn't change the narrative one bit except explain how it might have taken a bit longer for the rental's plates to be in the scanning system.

Can you post the scanner audio so I can listen? I have not heard it. The airport is going to have surveillance cameras, it's an airport. I just want to see the surveillance video of the chase, or him switching out cars. They are reporting that he went there the day of the shooting, so if you are saying that the story that they are telling is the truth, wouldn't you say he went there the day of the shooting as well? If you actually think that he did not stop at the airport to switch out cars, you are stating that they are lying about what happened, in which case.. I don't see why you aren't second guessing this yourself. So they found the mustang they were looking for based on DMV records, how did they know it was at the airport? They would only know this by a camera. That's how the license plate recognition works. There should be video/photo evidence of him at the airport if they are claiming they used license plate recognition.

I didn't record it - it's available on radio reference though - you have to be a paid subscriber to access the archives though.

Can you answer my question.

Let's say there is no video of - none at all - let's say, for the sake of argument, he never drove to the airport that morning - but around 10:30 AM investigators discovered he had recently rented a silver Chevy Sonic and put that information out on the APB and into their license scanning system:

What does that change about the event?

As for your questions:

So they found the mustang they were looking for based on DMV records, how did they know it was at the airport

Because they routinely patrol the airport parking lot with a license scanning equipped car - mostly to try to get additional funds from unpaid tickets by impounding vehicles.

Hmph. I will have to find it somehow. I don't want to follow the theory that he never drove to the airport that morning.. mainly because that is what the news and county sheriff has stated as FACT. I am trying to find holes in their story - not holes in theories of what other people assume may or may not have happened. I hope you understand where I am coming from. Personally, I think it would of been better for them if they never stated that he went to the airport that day, because that was the first thing to make me question this whole thing. There would of been witnesses at the airport as well. Airport parking lots are pretty busy, especially in the morning.

I'd even be a little bit happy if they released video of him renting the car a month prior at the airport. Sigh, I don't think I'll get a lot of the evidence I want to see in this. I can understand how they could find the mustang at the airport with what you are saying, though. It makes sense.

So, the crashed Chevy isn't enough evidence for you to believe he was driving the Chevy?

Without picture/video of him at the crash scene, no, it's not. It's funny that we call this a crash scene, but there wasn't any 'crashing' involved. The Chevy is pulled off into the side of the road, near a bush. Little to no damage appears to have been done to the car.

Odd how each of these would be referred to as a crash scene? The entire front of the fucking car is the brush - how would you know what kind of damage is to the front - and since when does the level of damage equate to if we refer to someone driving into something a car crash?!

http://s.telegraph.co.uk/graphics/TimelineGenerator/bin/img/1440683187128/Vester_L__Flanagan_3420178b.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/08/26/23/2BB044B600000578-3211992-image-a-93_1440627551183.jpg

Looks like little to no damage to me. I just thought it was funny, because it doesn't look like much of a car accident.

Maybe the fact that in "Vesters" video the "shooter" is wearing a blue plaid shirt yet in the media released video the shooter is in an almost all black uniform

Or that's just because of differing white balance and apature of the camera

The fact that every other angle looked worse than the fps section of the Doom movie means nothing! Some shit splashed from off camera guys, must be real.

It could've been someone throwing gum. It could've been bird shit. It's very brief, and there's no way to tell what it is. I wouldn't call that a smoking gun.

holy hell, is this shill or apologist day ? i gotta check my calendar

Why it is clearly a tool of the illuminate to deceive you.

Maybe, it is "quit making the rest of us look like asshats by claiming every event in human history is a false flag" day.

You are in another thread supporting the idea that the station, founded in 1955 was a false front for this story.

actually, i said they players are actors, someone commented that he/she could see the station being faux as well. that was how that went down. thanks for paying such close attention to detail.

You were oh so quick to point out the stupidity there.

Where are these actors going to spend out there days genius? On a beach in the caribbean with Elvis, JFK and TuPac?

da fuq do i care where they relocate ? i watch the video, i observe. this isn't quantum physics, the actions that take place after the video do not influence what i see

da fuq do i care where they relocate

Because you are the one making this subreddit look like it is full of fucking idiots with your stupid claims.

Outrageous claims require at least SOME proof.

go through my post history and copy and paste just one claim i've made. thanks, in advance

asshats

you talk like one, you obviously had professional training as one. you spend hours here talking down to the children...

you obviously had professional training as one

Nahh - comes natural when I'm engaged with idiots that claim a light skinned black man is caucasian because he isn't as dark as Wesley Snipes.

It's an easy way to gauge the truth of a story. When they release multiple aggressive disinfo apologists to attack anyone questioning and to push the validity of the official story, you can pretty safely identify why they must* utilize such underhanded tactics. These idiots expose themselves within minutes if initially posting.

Conspiracies don't exist! That's why I waste 8 hour shifts posting on a conspiracy sub.

Transparent as fuck.