Please stop with that Khazar Conspiracy nonsense.
Btw the modern day descendents of Khazars aren't Ashkenazim, but Karaim and the Karaim reject the rabbinic tradition.
Google Karaim Jews or no all conventional sources are manipulated so you can't trust anything? Well then I can't proove anything sorry.
Either way what I read often is that the rabbinic tradition did corrupt Judaism and brought them away from the true faith (Christianity). So if this is true and Judaism is corrupted by the rabbinic tradition with their Talmud, then you guys should actually hope the Khazards did undermine the Jews, because as I said the Karaim, the modern descendents of the Khazars, do reject the rabbinic tradition and the Talmud.
Did you understand it? These two conspiracies do cancel each other out. Either Jews are undermined by talmudic rabbies who put themself above the word of God (Bible, Jesus etc) or the Jews are undermined by Khazars.
Another addition, Wikipedia says that the Karaim do consider themselves to be the true descendents of the Khazars, while many scientists from various fields reject this notion and claim that the Khazars were indeed rabbinic (other factors are that the language of the Karaim is not very closely related to that of the Khazars and that the ancestors of the Karaim came much later into the area, when the Khazars were already conquered.)
So, but wikipedia is most untrustworthy of course in such matters. So if you believe Judaism is undermined by the rabbinic tradition you'd have to give the Karaim credit and thus believe them that they are the descedents of the Khazars, while the information against the Karaim is just put there to discredit them as they oppose the rabbinic order.
The original guys have been dead for long, the Romans have murdered them all. So anyone that converted to that religion is not a member of God's Chosen People, and has no biblical right to the land of Palestine. To me that's enough to get Israel dissolved.
Just because Karaites are descendants of the Khazars, it doesn't mean that they are the only descendants. Take a look at the Ashkenazis.
I see you didn't. The Ashkenazis, who are also descendants of the Khazars have undermined both the rabbis and their belief. Even the average Jewish chump is nothing more than a pawn in this game.
Claiming wikipedia is shit is "you don't say", but you should check the sources attached. Also, just because sg is on the wiki it doesn't automatically mean it's falsehood. And if you think about it, it doesn't matter if the Karaites are Khazars or not.
First, you don't know shit either. The Jews were not collectively killed by the Romans. They weren't liked by the romans either, but for example they were among the first foreigners that were granted roman citizenship, by Caesar btw. The reason he did this? To appease Jews and anger his opponents.
When the Jews were expulsed from Palestine by the romans they spread all around the SPQR, not being diminished.
Just as preffix, I am also an Antizionist and think the state of Israel should be dissolved.
But not because of the reason you cite.
So anyone that converted to that religion is not a member of God's Chosen People
So modern Jews are not genetically identical to ancient hebrews, well I am not genetically identical to ancient germanics and still call myself a german, I am also just an imposter or is it that people for a long time didn't give a fuck about racial purity.
Just to be a bit douchy.
Take a look at the Ashkenazis.
I see you didn't
You didn't either because the correct plural is Ashkenazim. Also Ashkenazim are from modern day western Germany.
The Ashkenazim began to settle in Eastern Europe (on the invitation of the King of Poland) since the 14th century. The Khazars fell in the eleventh century.
Another factors that separates the Ashkenazim from the Khazars is language. The Khazars did speak a turkic language as well as the Karaim. The Ashkenazim speak/spoke Yiddish, which is closely related to german, with many slavic and hebrew influences, would former Khazar Jews have a large influx in the Ashkenazim population, you'd see also a huge turkic influence.
It does matter whether the Karaim are related to the Khazars because the two conspiracy theories do contradict each other.
Those who survived have mixed with the Romans and their linage slowly vanished.
Straw man, as identical is a pretty strong word. Also, you might be officially German but genetically something entirely different (eg. an nth gen arab).
No, I simply refuse to pluralize it the kike way. Also, there's a huge difference between a kingdom falling and the extermination of its people. Hungary didn't exist on its own for centuries (from the Ottoman times till the end of WW1), we're still alive and kicking.
You just conveniently "forgot" the 3 centuries between Khazaria and the Ashkenazis. They reinvented themselves as entirely new people. The rest is history.
Straw man, as identical is a pretty strong word. Also, you might be officially German but genetically something entirely different (eg. an nth gen arab).
My Grandfather got an Ariernachweiss (Proof of Aryan Ancestry), just sayin. Also I didn't mean citizenship, but nationality. Of course every Arab can become german citizen, but I did mean ethnicity.
Hungary didn't exist on its own for centuries (from the Ottoman times till the end of WW1), we're still alive and kicking.
The Magyars migrated into central Europe before the Ottomans did. So technically Hungary or at least the ancestors to ethnical Hungarians existed already.
You just conveniently "forgot" the 3 centuries between Khazaria and the Ashkenazis. They reinvented themselves as entirely new people. The rest is history.
And you conveniently didn't read my comment. To quote myself.
The Ashkenazim began to settle in Eastern Europe (on the invitation of the King of Poland) since the 14th century. The Khazars fell in the eleventh century.
The Ashkenazis or how you want to call them existed since the early middle ages. They didn't live in Eastern Europe untill after the crusades, at that time Khazaria already wasn't anymore. They didn't reinvent themself they just moved into another area.
Those who survived have mixed with the Romans and their linage slowly vanished.
So after your logic since their lineage is diluted the modern Ashkenazis aren't semite anymore, because they are genetically closer to europeans than ethnical semites like Arabs and ancient Hebrews.
So you are Hungarian. I have bad news for you. After your own logic you have no right to call yourself a Magyar or Hungarian, because modern Hungarians are closer to neighboring slavs than their next linguistic brethen, the Chanti and Mansi people.
Same goes for Turks btws.
there's a huge difference between a kingdom falling and the extermination of its people
Thanks for taking that out of context. Mid 16th century Hungary was split into 3 territories: one under Ottoman rule, one under Habsburg rule and Transilvania. After 1.5 centuries the Habsburg occupied all of them.
So, where did they come from? Probably not from the other hemisphere. Do you have a "guess"? I do.
Sure, the amount of Romans per Israelite were the same as the amount of Turks per Hungarian. Suuuuure. And even if that was true, they only had one third of our lands, and the other two didn't suffer from the rapes, murders and abductions that the Ottoman occupied one did. So yep, another straw man.
Language? Really? Cause no group of people have ever ditched their language for another one, riiight? Lots of linguistics have been questioning the whole Finno-Ugric or Uralic lineage of our language. The origins of this language have never been actually found. And as we know, correlation does not equal causality.
Uhm, I am. I was just saying that my genetics aren't the same as germanic tribes in 100 A.D. For all I know my ancestors could be poles or french or whatever, but I don't know and I don't care because I can't know and it doesn't make any difference. Ethnicity is very much culture. Do you understand what I mean? It doesn't make a difference how genetically pure you are because ethnicity is very much culture. In before "Then every newly immigrated arab can call himself ethnic german", no he can't, he can call himself German citizen, but he can't unmake his upbringing and neither can his kids. Thats why in my opinion Turk-Germans are a good example for this, are they more turkish or more german? With each generation the boundaries between different groups blurr into each other.
Sure, the amount of Romans per Israelite were the same as the amount of Turks per Hungarian. Suuuuure. And even if that was true, they only had one third of our lands, and the other two didn't suffer from the rapes, murders and abductions that the Ottoman occupied one did. So yep, another straw man.
Uhm no, I wasn't talking about the Ottoman reign over Hungary, I was talking about Hungarians themself.
The Pannonian Basin wasn't unpopulated at the time the Magyars arrived. Before you bring up the Huns, to my knowledge the exact origin of the Huns isn't really known, they could be anything from Uralic like the Magyars, to Caucasian or even Yenisseian, but even before the Huns arrived the Pannonian Basin was settled.
Language? Really? Cause no group of people have ever ditched their language for another one, riiight?
That was my point, languages change much faster than genetics. Magyars came and conquered the area, it became favourable to speak Hungarian. The same goes for Anatolia. Ancient Anatolia was mainly settled by Indo-European (Aryan for you) peoples. Then the ottomans came along (okay before the ottomans also other groups came along, but the ottomans dominated in the end). It is hard to kill hundreds of thousands if not millions of people. With the fall of Byzantine the ruling class became turkic, so it was favored to speak turkish than the previous IE languages. Genetically the Anatolian turks are closer to Greeks, Kurds and Armenians (all IE) than to central Asian turkics.
Lots of linguistics have been questioning the whole Finno-Ugric or Uralic lineage of our language. The origins of this language have never been actually found. And as we know, correlation does not equal causality.
Uhm to my knowledge the Uralic Language family is pretty much well established and accepted.
Also what you are totally ignoring are Non-European Jews. When the Jews were expulsed from Israel they didn't just move to europe and got assimilitated there as you claim, but also to Africa, Yemen, Babylon and India (and even a few to China). Of course in these regions they intermingled with the local populace and are now more genetically similar to the surrounding populations than ancient hebrews (or at least they were, because Israel decided to ship them all in) What do you think about them? Are they all also just imposters?
Isn't it more likely that yes after the expulsion Jews mixed with all other population, but they kept their traditions and became all the different jewish ethnicities?
I just follow your own logic, if modern Jews are just imposters because they are more genetically similar to the surrounding peoples than to ancient hebrews, than you would not be hungarian.
But you are, as much as Ashkenazim are Jews and guess why? Because genetics doesn't matter the way you think they matter, it ain't static and ethnicity is cultural not racial.
Therefore I am german, you are hungarian and Jews are Jews.
and she disable the comment section so how she expect people to answer his questions?...
do you want to ask any question regarding israel and palestine?
she is no a antisemite or a "self-hating jew"... she lives in the US and therefore does not understand the context of the Middle East.
The best way to put it is by asking: Why if the US is the most powerful nation on the world with the most advance military it completely destroyed Iraq without achieve peace and now it can win over the Taliban and?...the answer is context but living 6000 miles away that context does not exist.
The middle east act on a different set of rules that western people does not understand anymore, the Hama Rules created by Hafez al-Assad in the 80s
Point missed. She doesn't pre-emptively label herself that. She's wearing the label applied to her because of the unleavened opinion she holds about Israel and its policies.
she choose a label for his position base on the context of the american jews, in israel we don't call the people that oppose the government or the country a "self-hating jew" that is a foreign concept.
the perspective from israel is that she is a progressive SJW that lacks knowledge and context in the position she takes.
and why would the name of the post be a question and then an answer will be "Point missed", did you expected a yes or no answer? well No, she is not antisemite. criticizing israel is not antisemitism until the "criticisms" become about the Jews;
the idea israel = jews...means that she or even the jews in zimbabwe are held responsible for Israel actions...and that is 'hate toward jews' = antisemitism.
My point really is that even a Jewish person is attacked when asking questions about injustices. How can there be honest dialogue when people can't get past the rhetoric?
as for the human rights...you'll have to go in a case by case...the context is simple, Israel is a country at war with an enemy not interested in surrendering or negotiating.
don't listen to him, he is just a mad american jew...trolling to create more jew hate...
she is no a antisemite or a "self-hating jew"... she lives in the US and therefore does not understand the context of the Middle East.
The best way to put it is by asking that Why if the US is the most powerful nation on the world with the most advance military it completely destroyed Iraq without achieve peace and now it can win over the Taliban and?...the answer is context but living 6000 miles away that context does not exist.
The middle east act on a different set of rules that western people does not understand anymore, the Hama Rules created by Hafez al-Assad in the 80s
I don't want to begin a philosophical/psychological/spiritual discussion here on a conspiracy thread.
Just take it as my opinion. I do not believe in bigotry based beliefs, and this.
It is about belief and identity and how well you understand what and why you believe what you believe and why act as you act. I can't know that about you and it isn't important, what you and I think about what you and I think.
The original guys have been dead for long, the Romans have murdered them all. So anyone that converted to that religion is not a member of God's Chosen People, and has no biblical right to the land of Palestine. To me that's enough to get Israel dissolved.
Just because Karaites are descendants of the Khazars, it doesn't mean that they are the only descendants. Take a look at the Ashkenazis.
I see you didn't. The Ashkenazis, who are also descendants of the Khazars have undermined both the rabbis and their belief. Even the average Jewish chump is nothing more than a pawn in this game.
Claiming wikipedia is shit is "you don't say", but you should check the sources attached. Also, just because sg is on the wiki it doesn't automatically mean it's falsehood. And if you think about it, it doesn't matter if the Karaites are Khazars or not.
Those who survived have mixed with the Romans and their linage slowly vanished.
Straw man, as identical is a pretty strong word. Also, you might be officially German but genetically something entirely different (eg. an nth gen arab).
No, I simply refuse to pluralize it the kike way. Also, there's a huge difference between a kingdom falling and the extermination of its people. Hungary didn't exist on its own for centuries (from the Ottoman times till the end of WW1), we're still alive and kicking.
You just conveniently "forgot" the 3 centuries between Khazaria and the Ashkenazis. They reinvented themselves as entirely new people. The rest is history.
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3 csehszlovakze 2015-08-29
Today's Jews aren't even semite...
-1 AltenbacherBier 2015-08-29
Please stop with that Khazar Conspiracy nonsense. Btw the modern day descendents of Khazars aren't Ashkenazim, but Karaim and the Karaim reject the rabbinic tradition.
1 csehszlovakze 2015-08-29
Can you prove it's a nonsense?
1 AltenbacherBier 2015-08-29
Google Karaim Jews or no all conventional sources are manipulated so you can't trust anything? Well then I can't proove anything sorry.
Either way what I read often is that the rabbinic tradition did corrupt Judaism and brought them away from the true faith (Christianity). So if this is true and Judaism is corrupted by the rabbinic tradition with their Talmud, then you guys should actually hope the Khazards did undermine the Jews, because as I said the Karaim, the modern descendents of the Khazars, do reject the rabbinic tradition and the Talmud.
Did you understand it? These two conspiracies do cancel each other out. Either Jews are undermined by talmudic rabbies who put themself above the word of God (Bible, Jesus etc) or the Jews are undermined by Khazars.
Another addition, Wikipedia says that the Karaim do consider themselves to be the true descendents of the Khazars, while many scientists from various fields reject this notion and claim that the Khazars were indeed rabbinic (other factors are that the language of the Karaim is not very closely related to that of the Khazars and that the ancestors of the Karaim came much later into the area, when the Khazars were already conquered.) So, but wikipedia is most untrustworthy of course in such matters. So if you believe Judaism is undermined by the rabbinic tradition you'd have to give the Karaim credit and thus believe them that they are the descedents of the Khazars, while the information against the Karaim is just put there to discredit them as they oppose the rabbinic order.
1 csehszlovakze 2015-08-29
You don't get it.
The original guys have been dead for long, the Romans have murdered them all. So anyone that converted to that religion is not a member of God's Chosen People, and has no biblical right to the land of Palestine. To me that's enough to get Israel dissolved.
Just because Karaites are descendants of the Khazars, it doesn't mean that they are the only descendants. Take a look at the Ashkenazis.
I see you didn't. The Ashkenazis, who are also descendants of the Khazars have undermined both the rabbis and their belief. Even the average Jewish chump is nothing more than a pawn in this game.
Claiming wikipedia is shit is "you don't say", but you should check the sources attached. Also, just because sg is on the wiki it doesn't automatically mean it's falsehood. And if you think about it, it doesn't matter if the Karaites are Khazars or not.
1 AltenbacherBier 2015-08-29
First, you don't know shit either. The Jews were not collectively killed by the Romans. They weren't liked by the romans either, but for example they were among the first foreigners that were granted roman citizenship, by Caesar btw. The reason he did this? To appease Jews and anger his opponents. When the Jews were expulsed from Palestine by the romans they spread all around the SPQR, not being diminished.
Just as preffix, I am also an Antizionist and think the state of Israel should be dissolved. But not because of the reason you cite.
So modern Jews are not genetically identical to ancient hebrews, well I am not genetically identical to ancient germanics and still call myself a german, I am also just an imposter or is it that people for a long time didn't give a fuck about racial purity.
Just to be a bit douchy.
You didn't either because the correct plural is Ashkenazim. Also Ashkenazim are from modern day western Germany. The Ashkenazim began to settle in Eastern Europe (on the invitation of the King of Poland) since the 14th century. The Khazars fell in the eleventh century.
Another factors that separates the Ashkenazim from the Khazars is language. The Khazars did speak a turkic language as well as the Karaim. The Ashkenazim speak/spoke Yiddish, which is closely related to german, with many slavic and hebrew influences, would former Khazar Jews have a large influx in the Ashkenazim population, you'd see also a huge turkic influence.
It does matter whether the Karaim are related to the Khazars because the two conspiracy theories do contradict each other.
1 csehszlovakze 2015-08-29
Those who survived have mixed with the Romans and their linage slowly vanished.
Straw man, as identical is a pretty strong word. Also, you might be officially German but genetically something entirely different (eg. an nth gen arab).
No, I simply refuse to pluralize it the kike way. Also, there's a huge difference between a kingdom falling and the extermination of its people. Hungary didn't exist on its own for centuries (from the Ottoman times till the end of WW1), we're still alive and kicking.
You just conveniently "forgot" the 3 centuries between Khazaria and the Ashkenazis. They reinvented themselves as entirely new people. The rest is history.
Now they own and control the whole world.
1 AltenbacherBier 2015-08-29
My Grandfather got an Ariernachweiss (Proof of Aryan Ancestry), just sayin. Also I didn't mean citizenship, but nationality. Of course every Arab can become german citizen, but I did mean ethnicity.
The Magyars migrated into central Europe before the Ottomans did. So technically Hungary or at least the ancestors to ethnical Hungarians existed already.
And you conveniently didn't read my comment. To quote myself.
The Ashkenazis or how you want to call them existed since the early middle ages. They didn't live in Eastern Europe untill after the crusades, at that time Khazaria already wasn't anymore. They didn't reinvent themself they just moved into another area.
So after your logic since their lineage is diluted the modern Ashkenazis aren't semite anymore, because they are genetically closer to europeans than ethnical semites like Arabs and ancient Hebrews. So you are Hungarian. I have bad news for you. After your own logic you have no right to call yourself a Magyar or Hungarian, because modern Hungarians are closer to neighboring slavs than their next linguistic brethen, the Chanti and Mansi people. Same goes for Turks btws.
1 csehszlovakze 2015-08-29
Then why aren't you ethnic German?
Thanks for taking that out of context. Mid 16th century Hungary was split into 3 territories: one under Ottoman rule, one under Habsburg rule and Transilvania. After 1.5 centuries the Habsburg occupied all of them.
So, where did they come from? Probably not from the other hemisphere. Do you have a "guess"? I do.
Sure, the amount of Romans per Israelite were the same as the amount of Turks per Hungarian. Suuuuure. And even if that was true, they only had one third of our lands, and the other two didn't suffer from the rapes, murders and abductions that the Ottoman occupied one did. So yep, another straw man.
Language? Really? Cause no group of people have ever ditched their language for another one, riiight? Lots of linguistics have been questioning the whole Finno-Ugric or Uralic lineage of our language. The origins of this language have never been actually found. And as we know, correlation does not equal causality.
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oh, and before I forget
*Slavs (not slaves)
1 AltenbacherBier 2015-08-29
Uhm, I am. I was just saying that my genetics aren't the same as germanic tribes in 100 A.D. For all I know my ancestors could be poles or french or whatever, but I don't know and I don't care because I can't know and it doesn't make any difference. Ethnicity is very much culture. Do you understand what I mean? It doesn't make a difference how genetically pure you are because ethnicity is very much culture. In before "Then every newly immigrated arab can call himself ethnic german", no he can't, he can call himself German citizen, but he can't unmake his upbringing and neither can his kids. Thats why in my opinion Turk-Germans are a good example for this, are they more turkish or more german? With each generation the boundaries between different groups blurr into each other.
Uhm no, I wasn't talking about the Ottoman reign over Hungary, I was talking about Hungarians themself. The Pannonian Basin wasn't unpopulated at the time the Magyars arrived. Before you bring up the Huns, to my knowledge the exact origin of the Huns isn't really known, they could be anything from Uralic like the Magyars, to Caucasian or even Yenisseian, but even before the Huns arrived the Pannonian Basin was settled.
That was my point, languages change much faster than genetics. Magyars came and conquered the area, it became favourable to speak Hungarian. The same goes for Anatolia. Ancient Anatolia was mainly settled by Indo-European (Aryan for you) peoples. Then the ottomans came along (okay before the ottomans also other groups came along, but the ottomans dominated in the end). It is hard to kill hundreds of thousands if not millions of people. With the fall of Byzantine the ruling class became turkic, so it was favored to speak turkish than the previous IE languages. Genetically the Anatolian turks are closer to Greeks, Kurds and Armenians (all IE) than to central Asian turkics.
Uhm to my knowledge the Uralic Language family is pretty much well established and accepted.
Also what you are totally ignoring are Non-European Jews. When the Jews were expulsed from Israel they didn't just move to europe and got assimilitated there as you claim, but also to Africa, Yemen, Babylon and India (and even a few to China). Of course in these regions they intermingled with the local populace and are now more genetically similar to the surrounding populations than ancient hebrews (or at least they were, because Israel decided to ship them all in) What do you think about them? Are they all also just imposters? Isn't it more likely that yes after the expulsion Jews mixed with all other population, but they kept their traditions and became all the different jewish ethnicities?
I just follow your own logic, if modern Jews are just imposters because they are more genetically similar to the surrounding peoples than to ancient hebrews, than you would not be hungarian. But you are, as much as Ashkenazim are Jews and guess why? Because genetics doesn't matter the way you think they matter, it ain't static and ethnicity is cultural not racial. Therefore I am german, you are hungarian and Jews are Jews.
-3 GetSoft4U 2015-08-29
nah...just an american SJW that is jewish...
have you read this article: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/the-coddling-of-the-american-mind/399356/
and she disable the comment section so how she expect people to answer his questions?...
do you want to ask any question regarding israel and palestine?
she is no a antisemite or a "self-hating jew"... she lives in the US and therefore does not understand the context of the Middle East.
The best way to put it is by asking: Why if the US is the most powerful nation on the world with the most advance military it completely destroyed Iraq without achieve peace and now it can win over the Taliban and?...the answer is context but living 6000 miles away that context does not exist.
The middle east act on a different set of rules that western people does not understand anymore, the Hama Rules created by Hafez al-Assad in the 80s
What Are Hama Rules?
1982 Hama massacre
2 sizzletron 2015-08-29
Point missed. She doesn't pre-emptively label herself that. She's wearing the label applied to her because of the unleavened opinion she holds about Israel and its policies.
0 GetSoft4U 2015-08-29
she choose a label for his position base on the context of the american jews, in israel we don't call the people that oppose the government or the country a "self-hating jew" that is a foreign concept.
the perspective from israel is that she is a progressive SJW that lacks knowledge and context in the position she takes.
and why would the name of the post be a question and then an answer will be "Point missed", did you expected a yes or no answer? well No, she is not antisemite. criticizing israel is not antisemitism until the "criticisms" become about the Jews;
the idea israel = jews...means that she or even the jews in zimbabwe are held responsible for Israel actions...and that is 'hate toward jews' = antisemitism.
1 bkc582 2015-08-29
My point really is that even a Jewish person is attacked when asking questions about injustices. How can there be honest dialogue when people can't get past the rhetoric?
2 GetSoft4U 2015-08-29
first by no saying that your questions are about "injustices"...
and second by looking for a good place to ask; Youtube, Twitter, Facebook, Reddit are not necessarily good place to ask.
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2 GetSoft4U 2015-08-29
why would that be racist?...
as for the human rights...you'll have to go in a case by case...the context is simple, Israel is a country at war with an enemy not interested in surrendering or negotiating.
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2 GetSoft4U 2015-08-29
as a non-American, americans have serious identity issues.
and nobody would have been "trow" out if they'd had not started a civil war in 1947.
and your apology is a nice detail but an hypocrite one.
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9 GoddessWins 2015-08-29
I don't think anything in that link which I am not going to read or watch is going to be more anti-semite than your comment.
I am making a guess you approve of the message and only question the messenger.
-2 GetSoft4U 2015-08-29
don't listen to him, he is just a mad american jew...trolling to create more jew hate...
she is no a antisemite or a "self-hating jew"... she lives in the US and therefore does not understand the context of the Middle East.
The best way to put it is by asking that Why if the US is the most powerful nation on the world with the most advance military it completely destroyed Iraq without achieve peace and now it can win over the Taliban and?...the answer is context but living 6000 miles away that context does not exist.
The middle east act on a different set of rules that western people does not understand anymore, the Hama Rules created by Hafez al-Assad in the 80s
What Are Hama Rules?
1982 Hama massacre
-6 outtanutmeds 2015-08-29
I tell the truth and you call me "antisemitic"? Refute me, Irving!
2 GoddessWins 2015-08-29
I am a secular humanist so can't even consider the ideas as valid. That means I consider all forms of bigotry false and imaginary.
-3 outtanutmeds 2015-08-29
You are a Gentile who lives in a dreamworld. You do know they shot Bambi's mother, right?
4 GoddessWins 2015-08-29
Ok, my illusion versus your illusion.
-3 [deleted] 2015-08-29
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4 GoddessWins 2015-08-29
Please explain what that means.
-3 [deleted] 2015-08-29
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2 GoddessWins 2015-08-29
The killing is a result, a result of imaginary thinking.
-1 [deleted] 2015-08-29
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1 GoddessWins 2015-08-29
I don't want to begin a philosophical/psychological/spiritual discussion here on a conspiracy thread.
Just take it as my opinion. I do not believe in bigotry based beliefs, and this.
It is about belief and identity and how well you understand what and why you believe what you believe and why act as you act. I can't know that about you and it isn't important, what you and I think about what you and I think.
1 SovereignMan 2015-08-29
Rule 1. Removed.
0 ZioFascist 2015-08-29
if her moms a jew,,shes a jew
1 csehszlovakze 2015-08-29
You don't get it.
The original guys have been dead for long, the Romans have murdered them all. So anyone that converted to that religion is not a member of God's Chosen People, and has no biblical right to the land of Palestine. To me that's enough to get Israel dissolved.
Just because Karaites are descendants of the Khazars, it doesn't mean that they are the only descendants. Take a look at the Ashkenazis.
I see you didn't. The Ashkenazis, who are also descendants of the Khazars have undermined both the rabbis and their belief. Even the average Jewish chump is nothing more than a pawn in this game.
Claiming wikipedia is shit is "you don't say", but you should check the sources attached. Also, just because sg is on the wiki it doesn't automatically mean it's falsehood. And if you think about it, it doesn't matter if the Karaites are Khazars or not.
1 csehszlovakze 2015-08-29
Those who survived have mixed with the Romans and their linage slowly vanished.
Straw man, as identical is a pretty strong word. Also, you might be officially German but genetically something entirely different (eg. an nth gen arab).
No, I simply refuse to pluralize it the kike way. Also, there's a huge difference between a kingdom falling and the extermination of its people. Hungary didn't exist on its own for centuries (from the Ottoman times till the end of WW1), we're still alive and kicking.
You just conveniently "forgot" the 3 centuries between Khazaria and the Ashkenazis. They reinvented themselves as entirely new people. The rest is history.
Now they own and control the whole world.