Just ran across this right now. It's so sexy to be a killer!

6  2015-09-01 by no1113

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7GVkKEdF4c

I just found it really...odd, if not disconcerting, that these kinds of values are being propagated and advertised so very heavily. There is really nothing about this video that doesn't say "Look how cool and sexy he is and looks, everyone! Being an assassin is awesome and something every kid should strive for!!"

The effects that this kind of stuff has on people's subconscious - especially on the maaany people into these kinds of games - I'm sure is not very good.

I'm not here trying to say "ban all these games". No. I just, again, thought it was...pretty blatant actually just how obvious the "kill, kill, kill and be sexy!" push these types of games have is.

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It's advertising. The point is to make the game look as good as possible. If the Hitman was a overweight, balding man in his early 40's no one would buy it.

Fat, short, tall, skinny, hairy, bald, whatever. How the person looks is beyond NOT the point in the least of what's happening here.

It's, again, about the message that is being put forward here into the minds of people who don't get what's really being said by the advertisement and that is consciously and subconsciously effecting them.

Good parenting is the only solution. We need people that can think for themselves and not be brainwashed easily. Good parents facilitate this.

Violent crime has been going down steadily for the past decade. Violent video games do not cause violent people.

Good parenting is the only solution.

Sounds about right, and I wouldn't disagree, but how is good parenting possible when the people growing up to be parents are the very ones who grew up being bombarded by this kind of imagery in the first place?

Violent crime has been going down steadily for the past decade.

Seems like it's been pretty darn bad as of late.

Violent video games do not cause violent people.

I guarantee you they don't help either though.

Here here.

Look how cool and sexy he is and looks, everyone!

be sexy

Yet you say it doesn't matter how he looks. Also if you think the message is killing is good, you're not the brightest. I don't know if you play games yourself, but the trailer you linked is what the company uses to show off their game. They aren't saying "killing people=sexy", they are saying ,"Hey, look, if you buy our game here is what you can expect".

Seems pretty obvious that you're the one who's not the brightest here. There's a lot more going on than the superficial perspective you continue advocating. I wouldn't doubt if this game in particular, or these types of games, are a favorite of yours. Last thing you want to here is that you're not in as much control of your mind and your perspective as you think you are.

Instead of attempting cheap, ineffective ad hominems, maybe you might want to try digging deeper into reality and realizing that societal manipulation is ubiquitous and all-pervasive. Here. Educate yourself.

Actually I prefer racing games, but I do play these kinds of games occasionally, Hotline Miami and Payday 2 happen to be some of my all time favorites. I would also think that as long as you have the incredibly simple ability of separating reality from fiction, you should be fine. Also, don't treat me as if I don't know that societal manipulation isn't a thing and hasn't been for years. The question should be is how does a company benefit by pushing a "killing for money is good" message.

as long as you have the incredibly simple ability of separating reality from fiction, you should be fine.

I think more than that is needed to keep from being adversely affected.

don't treat me as if I don't know that societal manipulation isn't a thing and hasn't been for years.

Some of the comments that you've made seemed to indicate that you're not aware of that.

how does a company benefit by pushing a "killing for money is good" message.

That's an easy one: We live on a planet that has been greatly contrived toward that type of perspective. All a company has to do to financially benefit is fall in line with that very type of m.o. Tow that party line, so to speak. If you create something relating to peace and wisdom on a planet geared toward violence and war (such as this one seems to be to a large and unfortunate extent), then you will likely not benefit as much as someone who makes games gratifying and advertising killing and murder.

Tow that party line, so to speak. If you create something relating to peace and wisdom on a planet geared toward violence and war (such as this one seems to be to a large and unfortunate extent), then you will likely not benefit as much as someone who makes games gratifying and advertising killing and murder.

Have you considered from a gameplay aspect how boring a game where you follow the rules/peacemaking game would be? No one would buy No Need for Speed: Sunday Drive, and I highly doubt anyone would buy Call of Duty: Advanced Politics. As good as peace is in real life, it makes for a boring video game. Could you imagine a game in which you woke up, brushed your teeth, and then went to UN peace talks? It would be boring to the average person.

Have you considered from a gameplay aspect how boring a game where you follow the rules/peacemaking game would be?

You only say and think and feel that because your mind is so indoctrinated to only look at “cool games” from a perspective of violence, war, and “how many people you can kill!”. This is, again, exactly the kind of mentality that the gaming industry and that this society/civilization breeds into the citizenry. No surprise that you have it, but it is by no means the only way possible to engage in a gaming activity that is fulfilling and exciting.

The examples that you pointed out constitute quite a bit of a straw man fallacy, as those are not by any means the only type of gaming experiences that could be made that A) don’t have as their main point violence and the murdering others, and B) are fulfilling to the participants nonetheless.

Regardless, the point is that this society is absolutely structured to think in exactly the limited, “violence only!” manner that you have greatly illustrated here, and that type of caustic way of thinking contributes significantly to the ongoing societal ills that keep all of us down, manipulated, and enslaved as it were.

You do realize once again that not all games revolve around violence right? As I said before, I prefer racing games, and last time I checked, those are relatively non-violent. Games like sim-city, surgeon sim, portal, whatever else exist, where the main purpose is solving puzzles, leading a city, and any number of non-violent games. No one ever said that games need to be violent.

You do realize once again that not all games revolve around violence right?

Of course. The most popular ones, the ones that make the most money, however, do.

I prefer racing games, and last time I checked, those are relatively non-violent. Games like sim-city, surgeon sim, portal, whatever else exist, where the main purpose is solving puzzles, leading a city, and any number of non-violent games.

Cool.

No one ever said that games need to be violent.

The market certainly says that tacitly, however, as - again - the most popular and most successful ones revolve around mass and gratuitous violence.

So if you were to design a non-violent game for the masses, what would you make it about? Please tell me, I'm REALLY curious.

I'm not a game type person - never have been - and don't really care for them much, so this isn't something I spend too much time thinking about in the first place.

Not a game person

Argues against violent games

k mom.

You're trying WAY too hard to defend your little limited world, man. Just stop. You're embarrassing yourself.

You still haven't answered the question.

The question doesn't need to be answered in order for everything I've said to still be correct nonetheless. It's okay. You can get back to your first person shooter games. You can stop trying to protect your little world view.

Try not to go to school up any schools though, m'kay?

K

I will try really hard to not shoot any schools, though that might be difficult with all the corporations controlling my brain.

Most of humanity's heroes throughout history are killers. It's how you get your name in the history books. We are war.

Most of humanity's heroes throughout history are killers.

There is a big difference between portraying someone who's main goal is freedom and/or honor and/or the defense of whatever country they've been convinced is worth dying for, and that individual ends up going to war and killing for it. That's one thing.

It's quite another to center your focus of attention on an individual whose sole purpose is to kill as many people as possible without getting caught on the way toward finally killing the main person you're after. And on the way, of course, you get "rewarded" with bonus points for extra kills and end up finding extra machine guns, hatchets, etc.

We are war.

We have been indoctrinated and brainwashed to think and believe that "we are war". Nothing could further form the truth for many humans on this planet, however.

I've played a hitman game before, the cleaner you get through the level, the better the score. In other words, the only kill should be the end target. Don't make it worse than it actually is. That's the Fox News' job.

Don't make it worse than it actually is. That's the Fox News' job.

Ha. Fair enough.

Probably funded by BigPharma so that they've got a plausible scapegoat. The "it was the video games!" defense has gotten so laughable, it needed resuscitated.

No reason it can't be both double teaming as well, however.