This needs to be discussed. I don't understand why it isn't on the news every single day… The signs of the pacific life dying is shocking and it gets worse every month.
Its either Fukushima or the warming that is confusing everything. I live on the west coast and all of the tide pools in Santa Cruz, bodega bay, fort Bragg are dead. We found a few with some life but they were in tucked away areas out of the sun. So I'm not sure if temperature has a lot to do with it.
The oarfish beaching found alive with their skin falling off is quite concerning… among hundreds of other reports. The water isn't boiling. California does not monitor Fukushima disaster side effects, they leave it to NOAA, EPA and FDA. You can visit the CA.gov website and read more about it. I find that very odd.
I have seen that. You are right about the oarfish. They are deep sea creatures. That radiation might be creeping along the bottom of the ocean. I have written to all senators and governor brown and no answer!
This is an interesting article on the increase in "sea snot" since 2011.
"As mentioned, this snot covers about 1% of the floor, but now it seems to be covering about 98% of it. In the 24 years of this study, the past two years have been the biggest amounts of this detritus by far,” said marine biologist Christine Huffard, who works at the research station off of California. Multiple other stations throughout the Pacific have seen similarly alarming increases."
Maybe were all just doomed. Maybe its all sinking in and we can't care anymore. Bring on the Apocalypse, its only been glamorized by the media for so long now.
Of course we should talk about it. I was watching this one documentary (can't remember the name, trying to find it). That was saying that they missed the window to entomb it, and every plan to contain it will not work. Also, if there is a major earthquake or another tsunami, Japan is fucked along with most of the West shore of the US from the fall out. Not good, not good at all.
They waited too long at Fukishima. They could've entombed it, but now humans and even machines cannot get close enough to work on it. They played down the disaster and now they shot themselves in both arms and both feet (ie. they/we are fucked).
1400 tonnes of radioactive fuel at Fukishima across four reactors, both fuel in cores and fuel rods in storage ponds on mezzanine flooring (stupid fcuking design).
Not if the cores blow up. If Fukishima (6 cores) blow, it would make Chernobyl look like Hiroshima. If they blow, that would cause a nuclear winter and billions would die. If they keep everything stable for the next 50-100 years, than yea, we could clean it up. But seeing as how rats chewed through wires causing the cooling system to go down for a few days, almost causing a chain reaction, I'd say we are fucked.
I just looked up nuclear winter, isn't the dangers of this the lowering of temperatures causing food shortages? We are starting to produce food indoors more (LED's making open crop growing inefficient). Couldn't indoor agriculture make that not a factor, I think Holland said they could produce enough food for the world if they dedicated the whole country to indoor food production.
You'd have to live underground and have access to fresh water and ventilated air, but yeah you could grow indoors and survive. But, last time I checked, I don't have a decked out bunker with all of that, lol.
I was more meaning society, surely every last person wouldnt be killed, couldn't cities still grow their own food indoors?Or would it simply be more of a anarchy, society falls apart, every man for himself scenario? Thanks for answering my questions, not too often you can have civil conversations about this kinda stuff
I have no idea, I do not have a crystal ball. I wouldn't wanna be around for it though. Of course the species wouldn't die off completely, but many many will.
The explosion issues are generally pressure or heat based or both, they're not thermonuclear explosions, enriched material doesn't just flash-nuclear explosion!
It needs to be enriched to weapons grade, engineered into a specific shape and density, and housed in a device that catalyses and focuses the chain reaction.
I know you're trolling, but I doubt even if it did in a hypothetical go nuclear explosion, it wouldn't throw enough shit into the air to cause a nuclear winter event, facility doesn't seem deep enough and almost half of the circumference of the event would be directed out towards the ocean...
Yup, and most the neutrons would just fly off and hit nothing, because they haven't been designed to lead to a thermonuclear reaction, fuel rods aren't nuclear bombs.
It wouldn't be good for well, a shit-ton of people, and far reaching effects and implications well into the future - but, not a nuclear-winter event.
Go to Chernobyl and see how long you last. This is 100x the size of Chernobyl. It would be a nuclear winter in North America (as the fallout crosses the ocean) and most of that part of Asia. You think of a nuclear winter as an end to everything in a flash, no, it would take time. But eventually, the animals would die, life forms will die, water undrinkable, people would perish. Maybe nuclear winter is the wrong word, but it would be catastrophic.
Yeah that's just a catastrophe due to fallout and general leeching and pollution.
I'm not defending that it would kill you...
A nuclear winter is when enough soot and earth is ejected (mass fire storms, significant nuclear event, meteor impact) and suspended in the stratosphere to a degree that net heat loss in the environment is greater than heat retention due to reflection of sun light (our heat source) over a given area - which is why I was saying I don't think Fukushima could produce this in it's current state, or ever really.
However, major nuclear contamination, pollution and leeching is a different and just as deadly story.
It was never an option to entomb the reactors at Fukushima.
Firstly, the reactors and fuel pools need cooling, which requires access and monitoring. Secondly, groundwater ingress means that contaminated water would still be a problem no matter how much concrete they threw at it.
The only option is the much harder task of removing all fuel debris from the reactors, and removing the fuel rods from the fuel pools. This is what they plan to do, and they have already cleared the fuel pool in Unit 4, and are making progress on the pool in Unit 3.
They could've entombed it, but now humans and even machines cannot get close enough to work on it.
No. There has been constant work on the reactor buildings. The reactor floor level at Unit 3 is now cleared of debris just for a start.
There have also been many people investigating inside the reactor buildings, as radiation levels are slowly falling since the accident and as more debris are cleared.
Chernobyl is land locked, the same fix won't work in Fukushima. The reactor is along the coast and at risk to tsunamis, earthquakes, and rising sea levels. The core has already melted down into the ocean and is polluting it daily. Concrete tomb won't work in the ocean.
Thanks for the reply, makes sense that being right on the ocean would cause it to go into the water column and spread faster/farther. Even scarier to think that around half the world still relies on seafood for their protein too
Most people don't even know what I'm talking about if I mention Fukushima. This is happening right now, as you are reading this, nuclear waste is seeping into the ocean. Even if the reactors don't blow, the damage to the ecosphere is incalculable. But I guess as long as we don't talk about it it isn't there, right?
You are right. I mention The meltdown all the time. Especially when people ask me why I stopped consuming seafood. Everyone I have mentioned it too gives be a blank stare and asks what are you talking about? Clueless
The reason we don't talk about it has something to do with the fear of panic.
It may be more salient that in an unprecedented emergency such as this we need to maximize the number of eyes and minds available to bring the right reactions. Enforced ignorance can only be maintained for just so long anyway.The effects at close range are pretty quick but at a distance they will not be seen for a short span of years, now ending.
People kind of shut up about it after endless posts here claiming the West Coast would be turned into a Fallout-esque wasteland due to radiation... 2 years ago. A lot of disinfo about the accident was being used by conspiracy theorists to peddle fake iodine "medicine."
There is almost endless information out there and there is also an almost endless cover-up of that information.
I have collected what I saw since day one but it almost unanimously downvoted when I comment about it. So I'm basically confused about whether it's the sub downvoting the info or whether it's reddit at large.
There is a pro nuclear element out there that is very vocal. Thanks for pursuing this. The information is painful to a lot of people, but we need to see it.
When I post or comment anything that's extra controversial I tend to see, in the box I'm provided to use, that black areas will materialize around the most controversial sentences and appear to 'select' them. They hold momentarily then disappear with no visible change left behind to be seen.
Those selecting black areas are prominent tonight.
I often wonder if what I have typed remains the same for me but is changed according to what the reader sees.
It's possible to recognize the issues, recognize a coverup, and still be generally pro-nuclear power though. If it doesn't get enough support it'll never be safe, and the human race will probably need a lot of nuclear power - relatively soon too
and that they had the ability to send ELF frequencies through the earth to 'communicate with submarines' causing a very widespread earth vibration of roughly 10 hz.
Simultaneously they were sending high frequencies into the ionosphere which I believe bounced down to concentrate the ELF signals to any position desired such as the weak spots they had located, sort of like a finger placed on a subwoofer might concentrate the vibrations at the point of contact.
Evidence of the high frequency signal bouncing down from the ionosphere to stimulate the ELF signal in a particular position
is seen here.
There is a reason for these holes in clouds given to us but it doesn't wash for several reasons.
Air doesn't normally travel in circles unless it is rotating and no rotation is evident.
Nothing makes holes in clouds unless it is highly energetic. Planes for instance don't make holes in clouds as they pass.
The physics that allowed for these holes in clouds didn't appear to work before the advent of HAARP for some reason and they don't seem to work today to my knowledge. Physics either is or it isn't it doesn't start in the 1990's and end by 2015.
In the past before we had any inkling of a problem in the area I had seen a story about the U.S threatening just such a seismic attack if japan didn't go along with some U.S. demand.
That threat has become obscure now and I ask for any help that can be provided to find a record of it.
Here is very early evidence of a national nuclear cover up of information.
I would like for many others to chime in with whatever they have to add either before or after the event. Surely the good work that this sub has always produced can enlighten us all.
I'm mobile right now and don't have the links handy but there are some additional things to think about.
DECEMBER: Japan offers to enrich uranium for Iranian power plants.
JANUARY/FEBRUARY: An Israeli company with no prior experience working with nuclear power plants is given complete access to the Fukushima site to install huge industrial binocular camera systems. This includes cameras inside the containment buildings. These cameras maintain a direct Internet link (which is later offered to the Japanese government to take a look early in the disaster) ... a fact notable because there is not supposed to be any connection to outside networks from within the containment building (could be wrong on this point).
MARCH: Earthquake and flood. Contrary to popular knowledge, at least one generator is not flooded out. This generator is powerful enough to cool the entire complex. But the switching gear to connect it to the plant electric grid doesn't work! And the backups don't work, either! Meltdown!
Punchline: The generator switching gear used the exact same Siemens industrial process controller that was targeted by Stuxnet to kill the Iranian uranium enrichment centrifuges.
Whilst I totally agree with the statements you've put forward, there was still one fail safe that could've and should've averted the meltdown, the non electric coolant circulation system which is like an old school reservoir tank used to keep the coolant from boiling, ideally keeping it cool for up to 12+ hours of use. The technician staff managing the plant were inadequately trained and where throttling it open and close to do what escapes me at this point, but when the final critical electrical failure hit, the system was stuck in the shut position and they delayed several hours to even check if it was open, upon realising this they rushed to open it again but the coolant temp was still unstable and high causing reservoir cooling the coolant to boil off. This could've delayed the meltdown a further estimated 6 to 8 hours as the reservoir boiled out but there was 0 contingency to refill the reservoir and I think last I heard they thought there was a fault in the system and closed it off. That was the final nail I'm the meltdown coffin
There's the conspiracy about how the meltdowns happened in the first place. There is the conspiracy about the cover up of the importance and the facts about the information and there is the conspiracy to hide the slow buildup of the results. All of these need a thorough airing. imo
I didn't look at the context of your comment and answered directly from my inbox, so my answer was not what it should have been.
The cause of the earthquake that caused the tsunami is questionable. HAARP was interested in finding earthquake fault lines in the earth's crust and was operating above Japan just before the tsunami.
HAARP Detection and Imaging of Underground Structures Using ELF/VLF Radio Waves
Once found those weak spots could be agitated by using their ability to project ELF signals through the ground, and concentrating those ELF/ VLF signals in a given area by using their projected and reflected VHF wave forms to disturb faults which would tend to produce earthquakes.
several of these ELF frequencies can be detuned against one another creating novel effects.
Although another explanation has been given, it uses physics that only existed during the early years of the development of HAARP so the credibility of that explanation is low.
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The amount of radiation poisoning is relative to distance from the source. very near the source, at least at first. it may be almost instant and at a distance of thousands of miles it would progress much more slowly. The radiation from Fukushima is still spewing and it will take a while for it ro fill the entire atmosphere so once again it will be a slow process. Here is what happened to sailors who were some 30 miles from the source for the most part.
Each US reactor has an average of over 1,000 spent rods also, the problem wasn't unique to Japan. Now ask yourself if there was an extended power loss just how much fuel is available for the generators pumping water in each of these pools. Oh, there's a month on hand? How about a 6 month power loss via EMP or solar storm? Can't prep for nuclear winter, folks.
If their is some real pandemic or zombie style apocalypse all the nuclear reactors will blow up. If they aren't shut down manually there is a real problem.
It doesn't matter if the reactor itself is shut down manually. You need power to keep the spent fuel rods from overheating. In the event of a national collapse most of the US will be a radioactive wasteland within a few years due to this.
i never thought about that either. thanks for bringing this to my attention, good to know when the sun finally decides to nail us with a flare that were fucked
I haven't seen a single thread talk about stuxnet or the fact that a nuclear explosion happened, or that the 9.0 earthquake claims were complete bullshit. There is a lot more than meets the eye in that entire affair
I'm not sure if /u/Giac was referring to such, but I have heard some people speculate that it was not a natural earthquake, but rather someone mined the faultline under the sea with a deep sea submersible and a mini nuke or something. Ben Fulford may have made such a claim, I'm not sure who else. Not mainstream people, and an earthquake may be much more likely, yet I suppose mining and provoking a faultline into activity might be possible to do, physically.
Really? Care to link those numbers on any site not connected to Jim Stone?
Japan updated their building codes following the 1978 Miyagi Earthquake, as well as the 1995 Kobe earthquake. The Tohoku area frequently gets big earthquakes, so people take it seriously, and a lot of municipalities offer free/reduced in cost seismic inspections/upgrades. Additionally, despite it being a stronger earthquake, the peak ground motion was lower than say, the Kobe earthquake, hence the disparity in the damage.
Im glad you mentioned Kobe as the destruction was far far greater despite the lower magnitude. A 9.1 would pretty much flatten everything. Not just destruction like the pictures you link. There are sources not from jim stone that corroborate what he says. Cant find them right now as im on my phone...
Feel free to link them later, they'll likely defy basic seismology and have no supporting evidence.
A long, P.S. edit. -
It's funny you said
Then you have the burden of proof of explaining how 9.0 didn't completely destroy homes as it normally would. The real numbers are no more than 6.8.
Which I sorta of did, but you say
9.1 would pretty much flatten everything. Not just destruction like the pictures you link.
now. Well, first, it was a 9.0, but I guess you can't decide on the actual magnitude, or comprehend what I was explaining. Just blame HAARP, it's basically the Jesus of "I have no facts to explain what I'm saying" for "quake and cloud" folk.
Secondly, research the different types of earthquakes. There's lots of types, and they cause different kinds of shaking. The Kobe quake was right under the city, and had much more intense peak ground motion (Google that term, it's fun to learn). Did you even know you can have horizontal and vertical shaking? In separate quakes, and sometimes one right after the other? The vertical ones always scare the bejezssus out of me, even if they're not actually strong, just feels like the house is coming down.
Third, the Kansai area of Japan gets far fewer, and much, much less strong earthquakes, but often gets strong typhoons. People in that area value a strong roof, even if they don't retrofit their house frame to accommodate it. From Wikipedia:
Most of the older traditional houses had heavy tiled roofs which weighed around 2 tons, intended to resist the frequent typhoons that plagued Kobe, but they were only held up by a light wood support frame. When the wood supports gave way, the roof crushed the unreinforced walls and floors in a "pancake" collapse. Newer homes have reinforced walls and lighter roofs to avoid this, but are more susceptible to typhoons.
Fourth, Japan is not Haiti, Chile, or another poor-to-semi-poor earthquake prone country. Buildings are built like forts, and don't come down easy. On top of that, given the modern trend to live with your own family together with ones parents until they pass, and then build a new house on the land they leave you, buildings are relatively frequently reconstructed along modern building codes.
But please, show me the non Jim Stone sources when you're on a computer.
here you go. and before you say the date is wrong, compilation takes a few days which is why it say 15th.
Again, explain how the whole area around wasnt completely flattened by a 9.0 (9.1 typo error on phone). Explain Magma BSPs involvement, the permanent internet connection inside the reactor that they had during the whole event (something which is simply not allowed)
http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Israeli-firms-cameras-recording-Japanese-nuclear-core
Explain how reactor 4 was blown sky high despite it being inop
And finally explain why no one is mentioning stuxnet when its existence was found out during Irans nuclear program.
Btw Kobe (which you keep referring to) was a 6.9 and that caused way more damage than the supposed 9.0 at Fukushima.
Wonder where that lone downvote came from? Oh well.
So, a 4 year old list from Tsukuba University (nice university), which was also badly shaken and suffering from rolling black-outs, with access to unspecified sensors counts as a source? Shiggy Diggy Doo.
Explain how reactor 4 was blown sky high despite it being inop
I really wish that Libya hadn't had their mess shortly after, then there would maybe be English sources that explained (as Japanese ones did) how the ventilation systems were shutoff from the outside to try and prevent leaks, which led to the Reactor buildings being linked, which allowed hydrogen gass to fill Building 4.
And finally explain why no one is mentioning stuxnet when its existence was found out during Irans nuclear program.
Link it to Fukushima and a 9.0 earthquake and massive tsunami that wiped out the emergency generators at the plant, and maybe people will. Hell of a computer virus to do all that.
Btw Kobe (which you keep referring to) was a 6.9 and that caused way more damage than the supposed 9.0 at Fukushima.
Just skipped over my recommendation that you look into the different types of plate mechanisms and quakes, huh? Okay, ignore information that disproves you, that's pretty much the game here, that's why I never bother to comment.
Same old bs about a hydrogen explosion being able to create a mushroom cloud similar to a nuclear explosion...yeah no point arguing any more. Wonder where my down vote came from....
Well, your downvotes aren't coming from me. Even if we're having a severe disagreement, you're being polite, that's respectable to me.
Since it seems neither of us is going to prevent evidence compelling enough to sway the other, I'll say this as my last two points.
1 - Any explosion of sufficient power can make a mushroom cloud, it's symbolic connection to nuclear explosions isn't an absolute. Several reactor's worth of hydrogen air being chained together, exploding in one building could make one.
2 - If Stutnex could make a reactor in Japan explode, why not in Iran and prove they have active reactors? A bit of a better argument than some picture of a cartoon bomb, in my opinion.
Yes, I am aware of this line of thinking and on some level think there was foul play involved. What the commenter seems to be saying is the 9.0 number is BS in some way. I'm confused by what they might be referring to. Thank you for your help though. =]
What has happened in Fukushima (or any other similar disaster that has or will happen) should have never happened in the 1st place, to master the power of nuclear energy is still to dangerous even with today's tech and knowledge, they should know better. I looks like that the ocean and probably the whole planet will need at least 200 years to recover from this even with our help, they have doomed the next few generations with this burden. I say again, this should have NEVER happened damn insane arrogant noobs, YES WE ARE STILL NOOBS when it comes to nuclear power both in tech and responsibility !!! It only takes one damn mistake and we are set back few hundred years :(
Fukushima was entirely preventable. It was an older design. The specific build had received criticism for a long time by nuclear oversight agencies. And because the Japanese government is so dysfunctional nothing was done to fix the issues.
Had the problems discovered for years by nuclear oversight been addressed it wouldn't have melted down. Had a newer design (difficult because of anti-nuclear groups) been installed it wouldn't have melted down. Had the government done it's job it wouldn't have melted down. Basically all of these are human failures, not technology failures. We already have the technology to run safe nuclear energy. And in fact, including every mishap and disaster, nuclear is still, by far, the safest form of energy known to man.
The biggest problem nuclear energy has, by far, is the anti-nuclear scaremongers who create self fulfilling prophecy. They are the enemies of mankind and bare a large responsibility here.
Nah man, nuclear power is completely safe and stable with modern tech, even in the face of disasters. Problem is, almost NO currently operating nuclear plant uses modern technology. We need to decommission the old plants and build new thorium reactors.
Still lots of technical issues with thorium, and developing the rulebook for running a thorium reactor will take a long time. Before then, prices of renewable energy and energy storage will have fallen so low as to wipe most other forms of energy out of the market.
I'll come at this from another angle - fukushima was manufacturered to make nuclear power look bad. It's being blamed for disasters now that are caused by plastic buildup and global warming from burning fossil fuels.
People act like retards when it comes to radiation. News to most people is there's radiation from the sun, your phone, and other sources pumping through you every day. Low amounts of radiation have no adverse effect on us - our bodies have evolved to protect us from a bit of that shit. Fukushima was an extremely large disaster, but even that diameter of effect is only 100 miles at most. It's not going to cause fish on the west coast of the US to die. That's pollution and global warming folks. There might be some isolated incidents of radioactive death, but the VAST VAST majority of these animal deaths are pollution/heat related, not radiation related.
"Tokyo Electric Power CO. (TEPCO) informed the public today that hundreds of tons of radioactive water had leaked from the facility, but maintained that the incident posed no risk to the environment"
Professor Darrel Hamamoto of U.C. Davis has said this was the third time Japan has suffered a massive attack from the US / Empire, the other two being Hiroshima and Nagasaki. He says this is in retaliation to Japan's opposition to the empire in WW2 and because of their strong national identity - similar to Germany. The empire detests strong national identity and actively promotes multiculturalism and replacement-level immigration all over the world.
for all who are interested, go to enenews.com. there is info available there collected from day one. be warned though, it's scary. without action, we are looking at an ELE. bookmark the site and send links and alerts to all the folks you know, even if they disown you for it. people need to be woken up asap.
I am not sure there is much to discuss unfortunately. TEPCO and the Japanese government are complicit in covering up and making this disaster worse and the global community seems to be turning a blind eye.
There is just about nothing we can do, and there is so little information coming out of there it's even hard to quantify for people as to why it's such a bad problem.
Yeah the guy who writes that blog does take a very pessimistic attitude towards the whole thing. I mean he does cite documents, so it isn't like his argument is unfounded, but he seems to be looking at it from an absolute worst case scenario where the damage has already been done, is totally unavoidable, can't be mitigated, and where the amount of radiation will be so much that humanity as a whole will likely never recover.
It's kind of a frightening thought that he could be right. I'm not sure he is though, at least not totally. More worrying to me is what would happen in the case of a widespread EMP or global power outage. There are thousands of other reactors on the planet, thousands of other potential Fukushimas, without power they can't be kept cool and they all melt down - and then what happens?
right, unless the fuel rods are mishandled (i.e., "accidentally" inserted into a nuclear warhead). but otherwise, no... rods don't explode. they just burn hot (and they never stop burning).
Fukushima was a Mossad operation. Japan was stepping out of line. (I forget the details, but review news about Japan's banking and government dealings in the months leading up to the event (as they may relate to banking, 9/11 and/or Israel). It should become clear.)
I believe it may have been a tactical nuke, masked by a HAARP-initiated "earthquake":
Unit 2 at Fukushima melted down without exploding.
It was also responsible for the largest individual release of radioactive gasses.
This is the problem with discussing Fukushima. Very few people who have a good understanding of how the accident progressed, and how it was caused, are willing to discuss conspiracy theories.
So, the majority of discussion on Fukushima is so far from reality that the small discrepancies in the data which could reveal a cover-up or contradict the official account are entirely ignored.
Maybe were all just doomed. Maybe its all sinking in and we can't care anymore. Bring on the Apocalypse, its only been glamorized by the media for so long now.
Its either Fukushima or the warming that is confusing everything. I live on the west coast and all of the tide pools in Santa Cruz, bodega bay, fort Bragg are dead. We found a few with some life but they were in tucked away areas out of the sun. So I'm not sure if temperature has a lot to do with it.
Go to Chernobyl and see how long you last. This is 100x the size of Chernobyl. It would be a nuclear winter in North America (as the fallout crosses the ocean) and most of that part of Asia. You think of a nuclear winter as an end to everything in a flash, no, it would take time. But eventually, the animals would die, life forms will die, water undrinkable, people would perish. Maybe nuclear winter is the wrong word, but it would be catastrophic.
Whilst I totally agree with the statements you've put forward, there was still one fail safe that could've and should've averted the meltdown, the non electric coolant circulation system which is like an old school reservoir tank used to keep the coolant from boiling, ideally keeping it cool for up to 12+ hours of use. The technician staff managing the plant were inadequately trained and where throttling it open and close to do what escapes me at this point, but when the final critical electrical failure hit, the system was stuck in the shut position and they delayed several hours to even check if it was open, upon realising this they rushed to open it again but the coolant temp was still unstable and high causing reservoir cooling the coolant to boil off. This could've delayed the meltdown a further estimated 6 to 8 hours as the reservoir boiled out but there was 0 contingency to refill the reservoir and I think last I heard they thought there was a fault in the system and closed it off. That was the final nail I'm the meltdown coffin
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24 YouFellAsleep-WakeUp 2015-09-07
This needs to be discussed. I don't understand why it isn't on the news every single day… The signs of the pacific life dying is shocking and it gets worse every month.
7 kingcubfan 2015-09-07
Its either Fukushima or the warming that is confusing everything. I live on the west coast and all of the tide pools in Santa Cruz, bodega bay, fort Bragg are dead. We found a few with some life but they were in tucked away areas out of the sun. So I'm not sure if temperature has a lot to do with it.
4 YouFellAsleep-WakeUp 2015-09-07
The oarfish beaching found alive with their skin falling off is quite concerning… among hundreds of other reports. The water isn't boiling. California does not monitor Fukushima disaster side effects, they leave it to NOAA, EPA and FDA. You can visit the CA.gov website and read more about it. I find that very odd.
2 TheBigBarnOwl 2015-09-07
Radiationnetwork.com
1 YouFellAsleep-WakeUp 2015-09-07
Also a couple of other independent monitoring websites here:
Emergency Disaster and Information Service: http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php
Nuclear Emergency Tracking Center: http://www.netc.com
1 kingcubfan 2015-09-07
I have seen that. You are right about the oarfish. They are deep sea creatures. That radiation might be creeping along the bottom of the ocean. I have written to all senators and governor brown and no answer!
1 YouFellAsleep-WakeUp 2015-09-07
This is an interesting article on the increase in "sea snot" since 2011.
"As mentioned, this snot covers about 1% of the floor, but now it seems to be covering about 98% of it. In the 24 years of this study, the past two years have been the biggest amounts of this detritus by far,” said marine biologist Christine Huffard, who works at the research station off of California. Multiple other stations throughout the Pacific have seen similarly alarming increases."
http://naturalsociety.com/dead-sea-creatures-98-percent-ocean-floor/
1 kingcubfan 2015-09-07
Yea, I was hearing about this slime. What is causing it is a good question. Seeing leopard seals in fort Bragg California is not typical.
3 Guru_238 2015-09-07
But its not fukushima its global warming thats why the Oceans fucked.
2 average_shill 2015-09-07
Couldn't possibly be both, eh?
1 lf11 2015-09-07
Consider that radiation could potentially alter the populations of primary producers and thus change water opacity and color over a large area?
0 YouFellAsleep-WakeUp 2015-09-07
LOL!
2 MUHBISCUITS 2015-09-07
Maybe were all just doomed. Maybe its all sinking in and we can't care anymore. Bring on the Apocalypse, its only been glamorized by the media for so long now.
21 Putin_loves_cats 2015-09-07
Of course we should talk about it. I was watching this one documentary (can't remember the name, trying to find it). That was saying that they missed the window to entomb it, and every plan to contain it will not work. Also, if there is a major earthquake or another tsunami, Japan is fucked along with most of the West shore of the US from the fall out. Not good, not good at all.
Edit: Found the doc, Fukushima And The End Of Humanity
5 dolaction 2015-09-07
We lack the technology to contain the radiation and it is still leaking. It was explained to me as a slow motion extinction event.
5 Crobb 2015-09-07
Were we able to contain Chernobyl? Not sure, it's a serious question.
4 _www_ 2015-09-07
yes, they did id, with some serious effort, and still at it http://ukrainetrek.com/blog/photos/construction-of-new-safe-confinement-for-chernobyl-npp/ Also, radiation is more containable, as the chernobyl core estinguished one month later, where fukushima's is STILL in fusion and going deeper inside the sea water soaked soil.
SAUCE:http://enenews.com/ap-melted-fuel-could-dropped-beyond-bottom-fukushima-plant-iaea-expert-pools-corium-could-be-taller-2-story-house-video
3 Putin_loves_cats 2015-09-07
They waited too long at Fukishima. They could've entombed it, but now humans and even machines cannot get close enough to work on it. They played down the disaster and now they shot themselves in both arms and both feet (ie. they/we are fucked).
2 Crobb 2015-09-07
What exactly does "fucked" mean though, is there no way that evolution can compensate higher radiation levels?
1 thing_on_a_string 2015-09-07
1400 tonnes of radioactive fuel at Fukishima across four reactors, both fuel in cores and fuel rods in storage ponds on mezzanine flooring (stupid fcuking design).
the question is how much was recovered.
-5 Putin_loves_cats 2015-09-07
Not if the cores blow up. If Fukishima (6 cores) blow, it would make Chernobyl look like Hiroshima. If they blow, that would cause a nuclear winter and billions would die. If they keep everything stable for the next 50-100 years, than yea, we could clean it up. But seeing as how rats chewed through wires causing the cooling system to go down for a few days, almost causing a chain reaction, I'd say we are fucked.
4 Crobb 2015-09-07
I just looked up nuclear winter, isn't the dangers of this the lowering of temperatures causing food shortages? We are starting to produce food indoors more (LED's making open crop growing inefficient). Couldn't indoor agriculture make that not a factor, I think Holland said they could produce enough food for the world if they dedicated the whole country to indoor food production.
4 Putin_loves_cats 2015-09-07
You'd have to live underground and have access to fresh water and ventilated air, but yeah you could grow indoors and survive. But, last time I checked, I don't have a decked out bunker with all of that, lol.
1 Crobb 2015-09-07
I was more meaning society, surely every last person wouldnt be killed, couldn't cities still grow their own food indoors?Or would it simply be more of a anarchy, society falls apart, every man for himself scenario? Thanks for answering my questions, not too often you can have civil conversations about this kinda stuff
6 Putin_loves_cats 2015-09-07
I have no idea, I do not have a crystal ball. I wouldn't wanna be around for it though. Of course the species wouldn't die off completely, but many many will.
1 groupthinkgroupthink 2015-09-07
The explosion issues are generally pressure or heat based or both, they're not thermonuclear explosions, enriched material doesn't just flash-nuclear explosion!
It needs to be enriched to weapons grade, engineered into a specific shape and density, and housed in a device that catalyses and focuses the chain reaction.
I know you're trolling, but I doubt even if it did in a hypothetical go nuclear explosion, it wouldn't throw enough shit into the air to cause a nuclear winter event, facility doesn't seem deep enough and almost half of the circumference of the event would be directed out towards the ocean...
0 Putin_loves_cats 2015-09-07
No cooling->heat->expansion->explosion. 1 explosion->2 explosions->and on. 6 facilities.
3 groupthinkgroupthink 2015-09-07
Yup, and most the neutrons would just fly off and hit nothing, because they haven't been designed to lead to a thermonuclear reaction, fuel rods aren't nuclear bombs.
It wouldn't be good for well, a shit-ton of people, and far reaching effects and implications well into the future - but, not a nuclear-winter event.
-1 Putin_loves_cats 2015-09-07
Go to Chernobyl and see how long you last. This is 100x the size of Chernobyl. It would be a nuclear winter in North America (as the fallout crosses the ocean) and most of that part of Asia. You think of a nuclear winter as an end to everything in a flash, no, it would take time. But eventually, the animals would die, life forms will die, water undrinkable, people would perish. Maybe nuclear winter is the wrong word, but it would be catastrophic.
3 groupthinkgroupthink 2015-09-07
Yeah that's just a catastrophe due to fallout and general leeching and pollution.
I'm not defending that it would kill you...
A nuclear winter is when enough soot and earth is ejected (mass fire storms, significant nuclear event, meteor impact) and suspended in the stratosphere to a degree that net heat loss in the environment is greater than heat retention due to reflection of sun light (our heat source) over a given area - which is why I was saying I don't think Fukushima could produce this in it's current state, or ever really.
However, major nuclear contamination, pollution and leeching is a different and just as deadly story.
0 Putin_loves_cats 2015-09-07
Like I said, nuclear winter was the wrong word. Still a fucking a catastrophe. I'm in NA and I don't want that.....
1 groupthinkgroupthink 2015-09-07
I think we're in violent agreement
1 termites2 2015-09-07
It was never an option to entomb the reactors at Fukushima.
Firstly, the reactors and fuel pools need cooling, which requires access and monitoring. Secondly, groundwater ingress means that contaminated water would still be a problem no matter how much concrete they threw at it.
The only option is the much harder task of removing all fuel debris from the reactors, and removing the fuel rods from the fuel pools. This is what they plan to do, and they have already cleared the fuel pool in Unit 4, and are making progress on the pool in Unit 3.
No. There has been constant work on the reactor buildings. The reactor floor level at Unit 3 is now cleared of debris just for a start.
There have also been many people investigating inside the reactor buildings, as radiation levels are slowly falling since the accident and as more debris are cleared.
2 DrSultanPhDD 2015-09-07
Chernobyl is also an isolated inland location. Fukushima is leaking into coastal waters, making containment extremely difficult.
1 dolaction 2015-09-07
Chernobyl is land locked, the same fix won't work in Fukushima. The reactor is along the coast and at risk to tsunamis, earthquakes, and rising sea levels. The core has already melted down into the ocean and is polluting it daily. Concrete tomb won't work in the ocean.
2 Bascome 2015-09-07
Why won't concrete work in the ocean?
9 The_Correctionist 2015-09-07
He has no idea what he's talking about
1 Morlok8k 2015-09-07
How would it dry?
4 lf11 2015-09-07
Somebody linked a wikipedia article, but the simple answer is that concrete is cured by moisture.
1 Morlok8k 2015-09-07
Huh. TIL.
I didn't know about that type of concrete.
Would it be effective against radiation though?
3 JeffBoucher 2015-09-07
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_concrete
2 Crobb 2015-09-07
Thanks for the reply, makes sense that being right on the ocean would cause it to go into the water column and spread faster/farther. Even scarier to think that around half the world still relies on seafood for their protein too
2 kingcubfan 2015-09-07
Don't forget to mention those 10s of thousands of plastic bags filled with radioactive soil stacked up next to the ocean.
1 thing_on_a_string 2015-09-07
four cores
1 thing_on_a_string 2015-09-07
yes, poisoned by thousands of tonnes of sand, the sand melted and diluted the core, lowered the temp.
then encased in concrete.
2 Putin_loves_cats 2015-09-07
Right. However, they could've entombed it, but they waited too long. Now, even machines cannot get close enough without dying from the radiation.
19 EyesClosedInMirror 2015-09-07
Most people don't even know what I'm talking about if I mention Fukushima. This is happening right now, as you are reading this, nuclear waste is seeping into the ocean. Even if the reactors don't blow, the damage to the ecosphere is incalculable. But I guess as long as we don't talk about it it isn't there, right?
10 DeeAmi 2015-09-07
You are right. I mention The meltdown all the time. Especially when people ask me why I stopped consuming seafood. Everyone I have mentioned it too gives be a blank stare and asks what are you talking about? Clueless
3 billdietrich1 2015-09-07
Even seafood caught near the Fukushima plant is pretty safe, according to http://www.takepart.com/article/2015/03/17/japan-fukushima-radiation-fish-seafood-safe
2 YouFellAsleep-WakeUp 2015-09-07
Smart!
9 KnightBeforeTomorrow 2015-09-07
The reason we don't talk about it has something to do with the fear of panic.
It may be more salient that in an unprecedented emergency such as this we need to maximize the number of eyes and minds available to bring the right reactions. Enforced ignorance can only be maintained for just so long anyway.The effects at close range are pretty quick but at a distance they will not be seen for a short span of years, now ending.
-1 billdietrich1 2015-09-07
Yes, the evil MSM never talks about it:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/09/world/asia/japan-fukushima-nuclear-disaster-iitate-return-plan.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/11627983/Fukushima-leak-could-cause-hydrogen-explosion-at-nuclear-plant.html
http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/is-radioactive-water-from-fukushima-worth-worrying-about
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-05-15/tepco-may-need-to-dump-fukushima-water-into-sea-un-says
2 thing_on_a_string 2015-09-07
notice the language.
could, maybe , is...
all vague words.
1 billdietrich1 2015-09-07
Yes, there still are lots of unknowns about the situation. Which they're honest about.
8 FriendlessComputer 2015-09-07
People kind of shut up about it after endless posts here claiming the West Coast would be turned into a Fallout-esque wasteland due to radiation... 2 years ago. A lot of disinfo about the accident was being used by conspiracy theorists to peddle fake iodine "medicine."
-3 KnightBeforeTomorrow 2015-09-07
The BLOB and/or FUKUSHIMA to Blame for Massive Pacific Deaths
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DHbqjPyuOI
7 FutzBucket 2015-09-07
PLEASE talk about this!
This is a current problem.
Has anyone else noticed all the shark attacks lately? Possibly due to a lack of food from radiation?
13 KnightBeforeTomorrow 2015-09-07
There is almost endless information out there and there is also an almost endless cover-up of that information.
I have collected what I saw since day one but it almost unanimously downvoted when I comment about it. So I'm basically confused about whether it's the sub downvoting the info or whether it's reddit at large.
4 rockytimber 2015-09-07
There is a pro nuclear element out there that is very vocal. Thanks for pursuing this. The information is painful to a lot of people, but we need to see it.
6 Mahat 2015-09-07
Sub is compromised, not enough real users vs the brigades. Everything gets immediately buried unless you really luck out.
1 KnightBeforeTomorrow 2015-09-07
When I post or comment anything that's extra controversial I tend to see, in the box I'm provided to use, that black areas will materialize around the most controversial sentences and appear to 'select' them. They hold momentarily then disappear with no visible change left behind to be seen.
Those selecting black areas are prominent tonight.
I often wonder if what I have typed remains the same for me but is changed according to what the reader sees.
4 BlacksAndHispanics 2015-09-07
It's possible to recognize the issues, recognize a coverup, and still be generally pro-nuclear power though. If it doesn't get enough support it'll never be safe, and the human race will probably need a lot of nuclear power - relatively soon too
0 barbiferousone 2015-09-07
nuclear power is not safe and never can be. it cannot be diluted, only dispersed and it is cancer causing.
1 thing_on_a_string 2015-09-07
the banana bunch...
3 thoughtsandplots 2015-09-07
Can you maybe make a list of all your info in one post?
4 KnightBeforeTomorrow 2015-09-07
Unfortunately this post was made on the spur of the moment and I haven't gotten the information into a presentable form.
Here's a starting point.
The short synopsis of the things that aren't generally known is that the ionosphere heated unnaturally for several days before the tsunami.
http://www.technologyreview.com/view/424033/atmosphere-above-japan-heated-rapidly-before-m9-earthquake/
HAARP was also searching the earths mantel for weak spots and could interact with those weak spots.
"HAARP Detection and Imaging of Underground Structures Using ELF/VLF Radio Waves"
http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/systems/haarp.htm
and that they had the ability to send ELF frequencies through the earth to 'communicate with submarines' causing a very widespread earth vibration of roughly 10 hz.
http://engineering.nyu.edu/news/2015/03/11/reaching-ionosphere-talk-submarines-save-satellites
Simultaneously they were sending high frequencies into the ionosphere which I believe bounced down to concentrate the ELF signals to any position desired such as the weak spots they had located, sort of like a finger placed on a subwoofer might concentrate the vibrations at the point of contact.
Evidence of the high frequency signal bouncing down from the ionosphere to stimulate the ELF signal in a particular position is seen here.
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1280&bih=567&q=hole+punch+cloud&oq=hole+punch+cloud&gs_l=img.3..0l2j0i30l7j0i5i30.380.380.0.667.1.1.0.0.0.0.78.78.1.1.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..0.1.77.rTFjU_088L4
There is a reason for these holes in clouds given to us but it doesn't wash for several reasons.
Air doesn't normally travel in circles unless it is rotating and no rotation is evident.
Nothing makes holes in clouds unless it is highly energetic. Planes for instance don't make holes in clouds as they pass.
The physics that allowed for these holes in clouds didn't appear to work before the advent of HAARP for some reason and they don't seem to work today to my knowledge. Physics either is or it isn't it doesn't start in the 1990's and end by 2015.
In the past before we had any inkling of a problem in the area I had seen a story about the U.S threatening just such a seismic attack if japan didn't go along with some U.S. demand.
That threat has become obscure now and I ask for any help that can be provided to find a record of it.
Here is very early evidence of a national nuclear cover up of information.
http://enenews.com/nrc-weve-stop-labs-testing-fukushima-radiation-directors-knock-doe-cool-worried-about-talking-press-about-consequences
http://enformable.com/2012/02/nrc-worried-about-us-national-labs-chomping-at-the-bit-to-help-with-fukushima-radiation-analysis-call-lab-directors-and-say-knock-it-off/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Enformable+%28Enformable%29
That brings us up to the event itself.
I would like for many others to chime in with whatever they have to add either before or after the event. Surely the good work that this sub has always produced can enlighten us all.
2 tosler 2015-09-07
I'm mobile right now and don't have the links handy but there are some additional things to think about.
DECEMBER: Japan offers to enrich uranium for Iranian power plants.
JANUARY/FEBRUARY: An Israeli company with no prior experience working with nuclear power plants is given complete access to the Fukushima site to install huge industrial binocular camera systems. This includes cameras inside the containment buildings. These cameras maintain a direct Internet link (which is later offered to the Japanese government to take a look early in the disaster) ... a fact notable because there is not supposed to be any connection to outside networks from within the containment building (could be wrong on this point).
MARCH: Earthquake and flood. Contrary to popular knowledge, at least one generator is not flooded out. This generator is powerful enough to cool the entire complex. But the switching gear to connect it to the plant electric grid doesn't work! And the backups don't work, either! Meltdown!
Punchline: The generator switching gear used the exact same Siemens industrial process controller that was targeted by Stuxnet to kill the Iranian uranium enrichment centrifuges.
Means. Motive. Opportunity.
2 maldier 2015-09-07
Whilst I totally agree with the statements you've put forward, there was still one fail safe that could've and should've averted the meltdown, the non electric coolant circulation system which is like an old school reservoir tank used to keep the coolant from boiling, ideally keeping it cool for up to 12+ hours of use. The technician staff managing the plant were inadequately trained and where throttling it open and close to do what escapes me at this point, but when the final critical electrical failure hit, the system was stuck in the shut position and they delayed several hours to even check if it was open, upon realising this they rushed to open it again but the coolant temp was still unstable and high causing reservoir cooling the coolant to boil off. This could've delayed the meltdown a further estimated 6 to 8 hours as the reservoir boiled out but there was 0 contingency to refill the reservoir and I think last I heard they thought there was a fault in the system and closed it off. That was the final nail I'm the meltdown coffin
1 KnightBeforeTomorrow 2015-09-07
There's the conspiracy about how the meltdowns happened in the first place. There is the conspiracy about the cover up of the importance and the facts about the information and there is the conspiracy to hide the slow buildup of the results. All of these need a thorough airing. imo
1 mirh 2015-09-07
You don't conspire on how meltdowns happen, hell.
1 KnightBeforeTomorrow 2015-09-07
There's a conspiracy to cover up the results
1 mirh 2015-09-07
So we may say the conspiracy is about if and what at most.
1 KnightBeforeTomorrow 2015-09-07
I didn't look at the context of your comment and answered directly from my inbox, so my answer was not what it should have been.
The cause of the earthquake that caused the tsunami is questionable. HAARP was interested in finding earthquake fault lines in the earth's crust and was operating above Japan just before the tsunami.
HAARP Detection and Imaging of Underground Structures Using ELF/VLF Radio Waves
http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/systems/haarp.htm
HAARP claims it produces these waves to communicate with submarines.
http://engineering.nyu.edu/news/2015/03/11/reaching-ionosphere-talk-submarines-save-satellites
Once found those weak spots could be agitated by using their ability to project ELF signals through the ground, and concentrating those ELF/ VLF signals in a given area by using their projected and reflected VHF wave forms to disturb faults which would tend to produce earthquakes.
several of these ELF frequencies can be detuned against one another creating novel effects.
http://www.salzburg.gv.at/cherry_schumann_resonances.pdf
Here is evidence that HAARP was operating in the vicinity just before the earthquake.
http://www.technologyreview.com/view/424033/atmosphere-above-japan-heated-rapidly-before-m9-earthquake/
There had been reports of U.S. threats against Japans nuclear facilities in recent years but those are now hard to find, of course.
There may have been a second occurrence of a HAARP earthquake.
http://wtfrly.com/2014/03/02/earthquake-20-miles-crimea-feeds-rumors-nuclear-blast-haarp/
Reflected VHF frequencies from HAARP may cause these hole punch clouds.
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1067&bih=461&q=hole+punch+cloud&oq=hole+punch+cloud&gs_l=img.3..0l3j0i30l6j0i5i30.2566.7953.0.8242.16.13.0.3.3.0.140.1544.0j13.13.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..0.16.1555.kO4DoCew5IY
Although another explanation has been given, it uses physics that only existed during the early years of the development of HAARP so the credibility of that explanation is low.
1 mirh 2015-09-07
Ehrm.. I actually gave a read to the paper..
And their analysis correlate the heating (consequence) with the allegedly increased tectonic activity (cause). They are not claiming the contrary.
And if it's not enough for you, there's this cool similitude on askcience
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7 HulaguKan 2015-09-07
Certain people and websites have been predicting a global nuclear holocaust since day one of Fukushima.
Guess what happened?
0 KnightBeforeTomorrow 2015-09-07
Thankfully it's a slow process.
The amount of radiation poisoning is relative to distance from the source. very near the source, at least at first. it may be almost instant and at a distance of thousands of miles it would progress much more slowly. The radiation from Fukushima is still spewing and it will take a while for it ro fill the entire atmosphere so once again it will be a slow process. Here is what happened to sailors who were some 30 miles from the source for the most part.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/12/20/sickened-by-service-more-us-sailors-claim-cancer-from-helping-at-fukushima/
1 ConvertsToMetric 2015-09-07
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6 iaintyobabydaddy 2015-09-07
Each US reactor has an average of over 1,000 spent rods also, the problem wasn't unique to Japan. Now ask yourself if there was an extended power loss just how much fuel is available for the generators pumping water in each of these pools. Oh, there's a month on hand? How about a 6 month power loss via EMP or solar storm? Can't prep for nuclear winter, folks.
1 TheCastro 2015-09-07
If their is some real pandemic or zombie style apocalypse all the nuclear reactors will blow up. If they aren't shut down manually there is a real problem.
7 Alcorr 2015-09-07
It doesn't matter if the reactor itself is shut down manually. You need power to keep the spent fuel rods from overheating. In the event of a national collapse most of the US will be a radioactive wasteland within a few years due to this.
5 HookersAndBlow4ME 2015-09-07
Wonderful. Just wonderful! Seriously though this shit depresses me.
13 Alcorr 2015-09-07
I always said I wanted the truth regardless of where it takes me.
Be careful what you wish for as they say.
6 daver00lzd00d 2015-09-07
i never thought about that either. thanks for bringing this to my attention, good to know when the sun finally decides to nail us with a flare that were fucked
5 Alcorr 2015-09-07
Modern "civilization" might be fucked, but "we" aren't necessarily.
2 daver00lzd00d 2015-09-07
lets hope not. hopefully ill have the skills to make it, if not the 72 virgins some people believe in better be there haha
6 giobot 2015-09-07
this is the single most important news story on earth and has been since it broke.
1 KnightBeforeTomorrow 2015-09-07
I fully agree but each time I have broached it I got whacked so I just shut up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAi7ADpgIYc&feature=youtu.be
5 Giac 2015-09-07
I haven't seen a single thread talk about stuxnet or the fact that a nuclear explosion happened, or that the 9.0 earthquake claims were complete bullshit. There is a lot more than meets the eye in that entire affair
2 Alcorr 2015-09-07
I've posted about it a few times. But you're right, it's rather rare.
2 RunAMuckGirl 2015-09-07
Can you explain this more? What about it was BS?
2 wantsneeds 2015-09-07
I'm not sure if /u/Giac was referring to such, but I have heard some people speculate that it was not a natural earthquake, but rather someone mined the faultline under the sea with a deep sea submersible and a mini nuke or something. Ben Fulford may have made such a claim, I'm not sure who else. Not mainstream people, and an earthquake may be much more likely, yet I suppose mining and provoking a faultline into activity might be possible to do, physically.
4 miyagidan 2015-09-07
It was Jim Stone, and it's a ridiculous claim. I was and am living very close to the epicenter, it was definitely the biggest quake I've ever been in.
1 thing_on_a_string 2015-09-07
under the sea !?
1 miyagidan 2015-09-07
I was about 60km from the epicenter, on land.
-2 Giac 2015-09-07
Then you have the burden of proof of explaining how 9.0 didn't completely destroy homes as it normally would. The real numbers are no more than 6.8.
2 miyagidan 2015-09-07
Really? Care to link those numbers on any site not connected to Jim Stone?
Japan updated their building codes following the 1978 Miyagi Earthquake, as well as the 1995 Kobe earthquake. The Tohoku area frequently gets big earthquakes, so people take it seriously, and a lot of municipalities offer free/reduced in cost seismic inspections/upgrades. Additionally, despite it being a stronger earthquake, the peak ground motion was lower than say, the Kobe earthquake, hence the disparity in the damage.
And it did destroy homes and roads. Take a look.
0 Giac 2015-09-07
Im glad you mentioned Kobe as the destruction was far far greater despite the lower magnitude. A 9.1 would pretty much flatten everything. Not just destruction like the pictures you link. There are sources not from jim stone that corroborate what he says. Cant find them right now as im on my phone...
4 miyagidan 2015-09-07
Feel free to link them later, they'll likely defy basic seismology and have no supporting evidence.
A long, P.S. edit. -
It's funny you said
Which I sorta of did, but you say
now. Well, first, it was a 9.0, but I guess you can't decide on the actual magnitude, or comprehend what I was explaining. Just blame HAARP, it's basically the Jesus of "I have no facts to explain what I'm saying" for "quake and cloud" folk.
Secondly, research the different types of earthquakes. There's lots of types, and they cause different kinds of shaking. The Kobe quake was right under the city, and had much more intense peak ground motion (Google that term, it's fun to learn). Did you even know you can have horizontal and vertical shaking? In separate quakes, and sometimes one right after the other? The vertical ones always scare the bejezssus out of me, even if they're not actually strong, just feels like the house is coming down.
Third, the Kansai area of Japan gets far fewer, and much, much less strong earthquakes, but often gets strong typhoons. People in that area value a strong roof, even if they don't retrofit their house frame to accommodate it. From Wikipedia:
Fourth, Japan is not Haiti, Chile, or another poor-to-semi-poor earthquake prone country. Buildings are built like forts, and don't come down easy. On top of that, given the modern trend to live with your own family together with ones parents until they pass, and then build a new house on the land they leave you, buildings are relatively frequently reconstructed along modern building codes.
But please, show me the non Jim Stone sources when you're on a computer.
1 Giac 2015-09-07
http://www.kz.tsukuba.ac.jp/~sakai/113g.htm
here you go. and before you say the date is wrong, compilation takes a few days which is why it say 15th.
Again, explain how the whole area around wasnt completely flattened by a 9.0 (9.1 typo error on phone). Explain Magma BSPs involvement, the permanent internet connection inside the reactor that they had during the whole event (something which is simply not allowed) http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Israeli-firms-cameras-recording-Japanese-nuclear-core
Explain how reactor 4 was blown sky high despite it being inop
And finally explain why no one is mentioning stuxnet when its existence was found out during Irans nuclear program.
Btw Kobe (which you keep referring to) was a 6.9 and that caused way more damage than the supposed 9.0 at Fukushima.
3 miyagidan 2015-09-07
Wonder where that lone downvote came from? Oh well.
So, a 4 year old list from Tsukuba University (nice university), which was also badly shaken and suffering from rolling black-outs, with access to unspecified sensors counts as a source? Shiggy Diggy Doo.
Not allowed according to?
I really wish that Libya hadn't had their mess shortly after, then there would maybe be English sources that explained (as Japanese ones did) how the ventilation systems were shutoff from the outside to try and prevent leaks, which led to the Reactor buildings being linked, which allowed hydrogen gass to fill Building 4.
Link it to Fukushima and a 9.0 earthquake and massive tsunami that wiped out the emergency generators at the plant, and maybe people will. Hell of a computer virus to do all that.
Just skipped over my recommendation that you look into the different types of plate mechanisms and quakes, huh? Okay, ignore information that disproves you, that's pretty much the game here, that's why I never bother to comment.
0 Giac 2015-09-07
Same old bs about a hydrogen explosion being able to create a mushroom cloud similar to a nuclear explosion...yeah no point arguing any more. Wonder where my down vote came from....
2 miyagidan 2015-09-07
Well, your downvotes aren't coming from me. Even if we're having a severe disagreement, you're being polite, that's respectable to me.
Since it seems neither of us is going to prevent evidence compelling enough to sway the other, I'll say this as my last two points.
1 - Any explosion of sufficient power can make a mushroom cloud, it's symbolic connection to nuclear explosions isn't an absolute. Several reactor's worth of hydrogen air being chained together, exploding in one building could make one.
2 - If Stutnex could make a reactor in Japan explode, why not in Iran and prove they have active reactors? A bit of a better argument than some picture of a cartoon bomb, in my opinion.
2 RunAMuckGirl 2015-09-07
Yes, I am aware of this line of thinking and on some level think there was foul play involved. What the commenter seems to be saying is the 9.0 number is BS in some way. I'm confused by what they might be referring to. Thank you for your help though. =]
4 TheQuantumAnomaly 2015-09-07
What has happened in Fukushima (or any other similar disaster that has or will happen) should have never happened in the 1st place, to master the power of nuclear energy is still to dangerous even with today's tech and knowledge, they should know better. I looks like that the ocean and probably the whole planet will need at least 200 years to recover from this even with our help, they have doomed the next few generations with this burden. I say again, this should have NEVER happened damn insane arrogant noobs, YES WE ARE STILL NOOBS when it comes to nuclear power both in tech and responsibility !!! It only takes one damn mistake and we are set back few hundred years :(
3 verdantmiles 2015-09-07
Fukushima was entirely preventable. It was an older design. The specific build had received criticism for a long time by nuclear oversight agencies. And because the Japanese government is so dysfunctional nothing was done to fix the issues.
Had the problems discovered for years by nuclear oversight been addressed it wouldn't have melted down. Had a newer design (difficult because of anti-nuclear groups) been installed it wouldn't have melted down. Had the government done it's job it wouldn't have melted down. Basically all of these are human failures, not technology failures. We already have the technology to run safe nuclear energy. And in fact, including every mishap and disaster, nuclear is still, by far, the safest form of energy known to man.
The biggest problem nuclear energy has, by far, is the anti-nuclear scaremongers who create self fulfilling prophecy. They are the enemies of mankind and bare a large responsibility here.
https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-fulfilling_prophecy
2 DrSultanPhDD 2015-09-07
Nah man, nuclear power is completely safe and stable with modern tech, even in the face of disasters. Problem is, almost NO currently operating nuclear plant uses modern technology. We need to decommission the old plants and build new thorium reactors.
1 billdietrich1 2015-09-07
Still lots of technical issues with thorium, and developing the rulebook for running a thorium reactor will take a long time. Before then, prices of renewable energy and energy storage will have fallen so low as to wipe most other forms of energy out of the market.
http://www.billdietrich.me/Reason/ReasonNuclear.html#Thorium
2 Morlok8k 2015-09-07
Just a reminder that the only thing the US government has done about this, is to double the allowable background radiation limits...
2 DrSultanPhDD 2015-09-07
I'll come at this from another angle - fukushima was manufacturered to make nuclear power look bad. It's being blamed for disasters now that are caused by plastic buildup and global warming from burning fossil fuels.
People act like retards when it comes to radiation. News to most people is there's radiation from the sun, your phone, and other sources pumping through you every day. Low amounts of radiation have no adverse effect on us - our bodies have evolved to protect us from a bit of that shit. Fukushima was an extremely large disaster, but even that diameter of effect is only 100 miles at most. It's not going to cause fish on the west coast of the US to die. That's pollution and global warming folks. There might be some isolated incidents of radioactive death, but the VAST VAST majority of these animal deaths are pollution/heat related, not radiation related.
2 giobot 2015-09-07
"Tokyo Electric Power CO. (TEPCO) informed the public today that hundreds of tons of radioactive water had leaked from the facility, but maintained that the incident posed no risk to the environment"
https://www.rt.com/news/314973-fukushima-typhoon-etau-japan/
1 natavism 2015-09-07
Professor Darrel Hamamoto of U.C. Davis has said this was the third time Japan has suffered a massive attack from the US / Empire, the other two being Hiroshima and Nagasaki. He says this is in retaliation to Japan's opposition to the empire in WW2 and because of their strong national identity - similar to Germany. The empire detests strong national identity and actively promotes multiculturalism and replacement-level immigration all over the world.
1 barbiferousone 2015-09-07
for all who are interested, go to enenews.com. there is info available there collected from day one. be warned though, it's scary. without action, we are looking at an ELE. bookmark the site and send links and alerts to all the folks you know, even if they disown you for it. people need to be woken up asap.
1 shadowofashadow 2015-09-07
I am not sure there is much to discuss unfortunately. TEPCO and the Japanese government are complicit in covering up and making this disaster worse and the global community seems to be turning a blind eye.
There is just about nothing we can do, and there is so little information coming out of there it's even hard to quantify for people as to why it's such a bad problem.
0 KnightBeforeTomorrow 2015-09-07
For those who need some hope, I point to this, which is arguably a planning session for chemtrails.
If you search the article for the term 'nuclear' you will see it many many times.
I propose this question.
What if the purpose of the chemtrails is in part, protecting the population from radiation?
There is some support for that hope in this pdf.
search it by 'nuclear'
Atmospheric and geophysical Sciences Division
Program Report 1988 1989
http://www.osti.gov/scitech/servlets/purl/6239800
0 thing_on_a_string 2015-09-07
look at the people around you, people seem to be sick, skin cancers seem to be visible on a lot of people these days. older people.
I dont recall people looking so odd or riddled pre Fukushima.
-1 Ambiguously_Ironic 2015-09-07
https://plumegate.wordpress.com/
0 KnightBeforeTomorrow 2015-09-07
From the article,
There's a physical answer but there doesn't seem to be enough humanity among the involved countries to make use of it.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2015/07/20/what-will-become-of-chinas-ghost-cities/
-1 Ambiguously_Ironic 2015-09-07
Yeah the guy who writes that blog does take a very pessimistic attitude towards the whole thing. I mean he does cite documents, so it isn't like his argument is unfounded, but he seems to be looking at it from an absolute worst case scenario where the damage has already been done, is totally unavoidable, can't be mitigated, and where the amount of radiation will be so much that humanity as a whole will likely never recover.
It's kind of a frightening thought that he could be right. I'm not sure he is though, at least not totally. More worrying to me is what would happen in the case of a widespread EMP or global power outage. There are thousands of other reactors on the planet, thousands of other potential Fukushimas, without power they can't be kept cool and they all melt down - and then what happens?
Rhetorical question of course.
-2 sheasie 2015-09-07
Nuclear reactors don't "explode". They simply "meltdown".
(Let that sink in a bit.)
2 KnightBeforeTomorrow 2015-09-07
unless the fuel rods are mishandled.
0 sheasie 2015-09-07
right, unless the fuel rods are mishandled (i.e., "accidentally" inserted into a nuclear warhead). but otherwise, no... rods don't explode. they just burn hot (and they never stop burning).
1 uberduger 2015-09-07
Well, the one at Chernobyl exploded due to steam, but I don't know what the official story of the Fukushima explosion is.
2 billdietrich1 2015-09-07
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disaster
1 sheasie 2015-09-07
interesting. i didn't see any reference to videos of the "explosions" on wikipedia, so i sourced this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGhOW3DLlow
1 sheasie 2015-09-07
i don't know what the official story is. all i know is this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGhOW3DLlow
clearly not "steam". the fireballs kinda give it away. plus the dark smoke is pulverized concrete and vaporized earth. (steam don't do that.) ;)
-4 sheasie 2015-09-07
Fukushima was not a earthquake.
Fukushima was a Mossad operation. Japan was stepping out of line. (I forget the details, but review news about Japan's banking and government dealings in the months leading up to the event (as they may relate to banking, 9/11 and/or Israel). It should become clear.)
I believe it may have been a tactical nuke, masked by a HAARP-initiated "earthquake":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGhOW3DLlow
Reactors don't "explode" -- they simply "meltdown".
1 DrSultanPhDD 2015-09-07
Dude. Reactors EXPLODE when they melt down. Go watch a chernobyl documentary. It's not as big as a chemical plant explosion, but it's still explosive.
2 termites2 2015-09-07
Unit 2 at Fukushima melted down without exploding.
It was also responsible for the largest individual release of radioactive gasses.
This is the problem with discussing Fukushima. Very few people who have a good understanding of how the accident progressed, and how it was caused, are willing to discuss conspiracy theories.
So, the majority of discussion on Fukushima is so far from reality that the small discrepancies in the data which could reveal a cover-up or contradict the official account are entirely ignored.
2 MUHBISCUITS 2015-09-07
Maybe were all just doomed. Maybe its all sinking in and we can't care anymore. Bring on the Apocalypse, its only been glamorized by the media for so long now.
7 kingcubfan 2015-09-07
Its either Fukushima or the warming that is confusing everything. I live on the west coast and all of the tide pools in Santa Cruz, bodega bay, fort Bragg are dead. We found a few with some life but they were in tucked away areas out of the sun. So I'm not sure if temperature has a lot to do with it.
3 Guru_238 2015-09-07
But its not fukushima its global warming thats why the Oceans fucked.
-1 Putin_loves_cats 2015-09-07
Go to Chernobyl and see how long you last. This is 100x the size of Chernobyl. It would be a nuclear winter in North America (as the fallout crosses the ocean) and most of that part of Asia. You think of a nuclear winter as an end to everything in a flash, no, it would take time. But eventually, the animals would die, life forms will die, water undrinkable, people would perish. Maybe nuclear winter is the wrong word, but it would be catastrophic.
2 maldier 2015-09-07
Whilst I totally agree with the statements you've put forward, there was still one fail safe that could've and should've averted the meltdown, the non electric coolant circulation system which is like an old school reservoir tank used to keep the coolant from boiling, ideally keeping it cool for up to 12+ hours of use. The technician staff managing the plant were inadequately trained and where throttling it open and close to do what escapes me at this point, but when the final critical electrical failure hit, the system was stuck in the shut position and they delayed several hours to even check if it was open, upon realising this they rushed to open it again but the coolant temp was still unstable and high causing reservoir cooling the coolant to boil off. This could've delayed the meltdown a further estimated 6 to 8 hours as the reservoir boiled out but there was 0 contingency to refill the reservoir and I think last I heard they thought there was a fault in the system and closed it off. That was the final nail I'm the meltdown coffin