There was a psych research study that proved this a few years back. They taught the participants an untrue "fact". They brought them back sometime later and could not convince all of them that the "fact" wasn't. Wish I could find it.
There was a very famous book published in the 1950's called When Prophecy Fails. Two sociologists infiltrated a cult that believed the world was going to end on a certain date. When that date passed, they were astonished to find the beliefs among the cult members grew even stronger.
I would point out, however, that this idea goes both ways--many people on this subreddit will fight for what they "know" to be true against all evidence. Those that buy official explanations are just as certain as you are--remember that.
Ego might arguably be the most perverse mechanism of humanity.
Perhaps. When it is sufficiently developed into super ego, however, it can be an effective boon toward a decent and flourishing being and, ultimately, civilization. This is, of course, the great task we have before us, however - to develop our fledgling, self-interested egos into the type of super egos that can help not only ourselves, but our world and fellow beings as well. As such, it is not so much that the ego is the most perverse mechanism of humanity. It is that an overbearing ego is a hallmark of a very underdeveloped species - which we most definitely are at the current moment of our evolutionary progress. If we do not kill ourselves first, that ego can eventually evolve into a properly balanced superego, and it can then find its proper place amongst our civilization not as "the most perverse mechanism" that it justifiably seems like now, but as a tool that can be used to cause us to continue becoming even better, more advanced beings.
It would not be impossible to prove with sufficient repetition and a psychological understanding of the people concerned that a square is in fact a circle. They are mere words, and words can be molded until they clothe ideas and disguise.
The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over.
The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over.
I know, it's all a grand conspiracy and all the studies done saying people like you are really gullible? just a plot!
Every shooting is a false flag, bad things never happen and terrorists don't exist.
It's all a big grand scheme and people like you know the truth because you watched an alex jones youtube video and spent an hour reading a fringe conspiracy website.
Never mind the multiple studies saying you're wrong, never mind the fact the scientific community is almost never on your side and never mind the fact the evidence for the claims you make is always lacking.
It's just one big grand Jewish conspiracy to silence the truth.
Alright I did you a favour and read the conclusion of that study and the scientific american journal and part of the Slate article. The scientific american journal was pretty useless. No sources at all. Just an opinion. The study confirmed that scientific minded people are more open-minded on social media than conspiracy theorists.. I mean. Yeah. Duh?
The general gist I'm getting from the slate article is that it's kind of a snowball effect. Believing in one conspiracy theory opens the floodgate for others which can get you in a very tunnelvisioned mindset of accepting everything that confirms your worldview. Fair enough. That's completely human. I'll admit that if you're interested in conspiracies preserving your (actual) critical thinking is important. The danger in generalizing everyone with an actual critical attitude towards official narratives into one pile of conspiracy nuts still exists.
Aliens aren't secretly in charge of our world. Hollywood stars are probably not illuminati puppets. Cancer is not made up to make money and eating vegetables won't cure it. However the CIA has had (though hopefully ineffective) brainwash programs. The US has commited false flags to overthrow governments more than once in history (as a well documented fact) and US politics are based on manipulation by freudian psychology. There are some super rich people with doubtful agendas in the world. One conspiracy theory =\= the other.
It's a sad fact that there are cover ups, we are being lied to. Not all the time. Not by everyone, but it happens. You can't look for truth without finding a lot of bullshit, no matter where you look. Engage your critical thinking, whatever you read. That's a concept everyone should be reminded of as much as possible. I'll agree with that.
If you're actually interested this guy was a TV producer in Russia for a number of years and talks about how the government uses conspiracy to control the population and the entire thing is like a scripted reality TV show.
That's a conspiracy hahaha! Nah I generally agree. I read the conclusion of the study and didn't find it particularly ground-breaking.
I do agree with your point, it applies to all people though. "Leftists are dumb, we are smart" "Rightists are assholes, we are compassionate" "Conspiracy theorists are nutjobs, fuck yeah 'murica"
It's generally a good idea to not attach yourself emotionally to any political identity you take on. It's easier to be rational if your pride isn't in the way. Goes for everyone.
Well, yes and no. Not EVERYTHING is a conspiracy, but that doesn't mean there aren't in fact things going on behind the scenes that you aren't aware of. I would love to be as certain as you are. I would love to believe that everything takes place and happens just the way the state and corporate media says it does. But the proof is in the pudding, man. History has shown time and time again that there are many many things we are lied to about, and many many things held out of the light from public scrutiny.
Now, what I find interesting is that people like you can drink the juice so damn easily without questioning anything along the way.
Being a skeptic is actually very hard work. It is met with opposition from the status quo (such as yourself) at every turn. Personal attacks through fear of social alientation is all you have for a defense against those that would step out of line to challenge the norms, values and the beliefs manufactured and/or shaped by the corporate, and state narrative for nearly everything.
It's just one big grand Jewish conspiracy to silence the truth.
Could be. Maybe. Maybe not. You don't know for a matter of fact if it is or it isn't. People only know (you included) what they've been told, shown, what they've read, watched, or experienced, etc. in their lives on this planet. You go ahead and come on down from your ivory tower whenever you're ready there, bud.
Perhaps, just perhaps someone has done more groundwork on certain matters than you have. Who? What? When? Where? Why?
These are questions that should be asked ANYTIME information comes across your lap, regardlessof who or where it comes from, or what you looking at. Critical thinking is imperative.
As I state again, being a skeptic is hard work. And understanding what is or isn't reliable information is all part of the work of being a thinking human being.
Now, to say that EVERYTHING is a conspiracy would be overreaching. But to say that there are NO conspiracies, or there is NOTHING hidden from the public, would be just plain stupid.
I used to be delusional like you man, I woke up and realized why this is all bullshit.
ALL bullshit? If that is your position, then you REALLY haven't been doing your homework.
You don't have to be trapped in a swarm of delusion.
Actually, what I am is a skeptic, a conspiracy theorist is not a skeptic and that's evident by the overwhelming confirmation bias found in their circles.
I question EVERYTHING, which is why I call bullshit on people like you.
I go where the overwhelming scientific evidence takes me, that's just almost never on your side of the isle.
Please don't call yourself a skeptic, it's insulting to actual skeptics.
Notice how the /r/skeptic sub makes fun of people like you? guess why that is.
Now if you want to become an actual skeptic I can help you maybe, but what you are my friend is not a skeptic and I learned that after going on your post history.
Nothing infuriates me more than conspiracy theorists on here claiming to be skeptics, don't you dare compare yourself to me.
No, actually your not. You've made that abundantly clear by every single word you've spoken on this thread so far.
a conspiracy theorist is not a skeptic
That's just stupid.
The two may or may not be mutually exclusive, depending on the person. There is no strict black and white, and they are absolutely interrelated. It's called linguistics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistics
Here let me help you out here, as you don't seem to actually know what the terms mean.
skep·tic/ˈskeptik/
noun
-a person inclined to question or doubt all accepted opinions.
-an ancient or modern philosopher who denies the possibility of knowledge, or even rational belief, in some sphere.
conspiracy theory
-an explanatory hypothesis that accuses two or more persons, a group, or an organization of having caused or covered up, through secret planning and deliberate action, an event or situation which is typically taken to be illegal or harmful.
Now, do you see how these terms are related?
And If you don't, it's cuz yeeeerrr dduuuuuummm.
I question EVERYTHING
Cite something specific you question then. What is something that you think the government is lying about? Is there anything?! Or does everything happen just the way the TV and the government tells you it does?
You question everything? Suuuuuuure you do.
I go where the overwhelming scientific evidence takes me,
That's good. Likewise.
that's just almost never on your side of the isle.
Hahahaha. My god.... Dude, make a valid argument. So far all you've done is revert to attacks. You have literally added nothing but conjecture and nonsense.
Please don't call yourself a skeptic, it's insulting to actual skeptics.
You are a sad sad individual, I gotta say.
Notice how the /r/skeptic sub makes fun of people like you? guess why that is.
Now if you want to become an actual skeptic I can help you maybe,
Clearly, you are the one that needs help here, kid.
"Actual skeptic." You don't even know what that means. You pigeon hole anyone that questions the status quo as a conspiracy theorist but not a skeptic.
See: above definitions.
but what you are my friend is not a skeptic and I learned that after going on your post history.
Yeah? Read all 25,000 comment karma worth of posts? I would actually like to see that.
Nothing infuriates me more than conspiracy theorists on here claiming to be skeptics,
I am a skeptic. If that ties to conspiracies now and again, so be it. Skepticism holds no bounds. I think that's what you don't get.... And probably never will.
don't you dare compare yourself to me.
Baaaaahahaha. Wouldn't dream of it.
Although life probably would be much easier to live like you do, Forrest Gump.
I've got news for you pal, skeptics don't run around on reddit calling everyone a shill.
You're not a skeptic, a conspiracy theorist is not a god damn skeptic.
There is literally a skeptic sub on reddit that makes fun of this sub and people like you, it isn't because skeptics consider themselves conspiracy theorists.
If you went where the scientific evidence took you, then you wouldn't be a truther.
I've got news for you pal, skeptics don't run around on reddit calling everyone a shill.
EVERYONE? You sure do love your overgeneralizations don't you.
You're not a skeptic, a conspiracy theorist is not a god damn skeptic.
Yes. They are. By the very nature of language, they are. It cannot be denied for it would be a paradox.
There is literally a skeptic sub on reddit that makes fun of this sub and people like you, it isn't because skeptics consider themselves conspiracy theorists.
Good for them. Don't care.
If you went where the scientific evidence took you, then you wouldn't be a truther.
Actually, I find the opposite true. You think 911 happened exactly the way the government says it did.
Whereas, I don't. There are too many holes and coincidences for the official story to be true. Any skeptic would see that. Period.
I think the overwhelming scientific evidence explaining 9/11 is more accurate than a bunch of mentally disabled truthers that jump to conclusions.
The government isn't saying anything, it's the scientific community saying this is how it happened.
You're not a skeptic because I doubt you've ever stepped out of your truther echo chamber and even attempted to read what the scientific community says.
I think the overwhelming scientific evidence explaining 9/11 are more accurate than a bunch of mentally disabled truthers that jump to conclusions.
That's because you don't know how to think properly. I don't blame you though.
The government isn't saying anything, it's the scientific community saying this is how it happened.
The NIST models are garbage.
The underlying narrative for 'blowback' is garbage .
Its bullshit piled on bullshit.
JFK assassination coverup is exactly the same thing. Magic bullet, eh. You keep beating that drum buddy.
You're not a skeptic because I doubt you've ever stepped out of your truther echo chamber and even attempted to read what the scientific community says.
Ha. You have no idea what you're talking about.
This guy basically killed the truther movement on his own.
Oh yeah? The 'movement' is dead?
There is no 'movement'. There is only the open questioning and skepticism of things. People all over the world know what's going on. Maybe you should take your head out of your ass and take a look around sometime.
There are MILLIONS and MILLIONS of us around the world. He "Killed the movement." Ha! Nice try.
You're absolutely delusional if you think the entire scientific community is covering up 9/11, I'm sorry but I'm going to form my opinion based on what actual experts say and not what morons that build grocery stores for a living say.
There's a reason every credible engineer and every credible school in the country makes fun of truthers, and it isn't because they're the rational ones.
And yes, the entire truther movement got destroyed by actual engineers.
Every single conspiracy around 9/11 has been firmly and soundly debunked hundreds of times.
You just live in an echo chamber, and the JFk assassination "cover up" Jesus christ I'm done.
You're absolutely delusional if you think the entire scientific community is covering up 9/11,
Doesn't take ALL of them to do that.
I'm sorry but I'm going to form my opinion based on what actual experts say
Likewise.
and not what morons that build grocery stores for a living say.
Ok good. That's a start.
There's a reason every credible engineer and every credible school in the country makes fun of truthers, and it isn't because they're the rational ones.
Doesn't matter.
And yes, the entire truther movement got destroyed by actual engineers.
Uh, no.
Every single conspiracy around 9/11 has been firmly and soundly debunked hundreds of times.
No again.
You just live in an echo chamber, and the JFk assassination "cover up" Jesus christ I'm done.
Also, let's face it, people want to be entertained. There was something that 9/11 ignited in people that had really been there all along.
People wanted to feel, and 9/11 (other events as well) gave them an opportunity to do so. It gave an entire nation the excuse it needed to satisfy its movie/tv fed bloodlust (or, alternatively, the war they'd always wanted to protest).
Seriously? Yeah, nah. Lets just let fantasy and entertainment rule the planet so everyone can feel happy, instead of dealing with the truth and working towards unity. Great plan.
They should really up the game where football is concerned. Add weapons and obstacles. I got a whole loaf of Wonderbread and I need my Fantasy Football team to win this year.
It could also be working the other way around. We can be fooled by shitty articles and non-existing conspiracies just as much. Keep questioning yourself and everything you believe. Being here does get you the headstart of actively searching for information instead of just consuming what you get but that's about it.
I hate this age of disinformation. It's hard to have faith in my worldview when I know there are millions of other wacky worldviews people have just as much faith in, who am I to know better. Sometimes I just wish for simpler times.
You guys realize that the word propaganda doesn't mean lie, right? It's just spreading (propagating) an idea. The idea could be good, bad, or neither. Most of what gets posted r/conspiracy is propaganda. Alot of it is good propaganda. Triumph of the will = bad propaganda. Cartoons that teach kids to brush their teeth and wash their hands = good propaganda.
Ah, OK. I just thought he meant replacing a lying narrative with another. Your explanation is better but I would suggest we're probably doing as much as can be done in that regard.
The recent billboard thing going on however is pretty cool.
You're fooled you can't get fooled agi'n! That's why we're still in the middle east. We were fooled on 9/11 and we're still refusing to be fooled again! So: anything they wanna do ... is ok. I'm just a consumer and I vote.
Ah, OK. I just thought he meant replacing a lying narrative with another. Your explanation is better but I would suggest we're probably doing as much as can be done in that regard.
The recent billboard thing going on however is pretty cool.
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21 CantStopWhitey 2015-09-13
There was a psych research study that proved this a few years back. They taught the participants an untrue "fact". They brought them back sometime later and could not convince all of them that the "fact" wasn't. Wish I could find it.
12 BBBTech 2015-09-13
There was a very famous book published in the 1950's called When Prophecy Fails. Two sociologists infiltrated a cult that believed the world was going to end on a certain date. When that date passed, they were astonished to find the beliefs among the cult members grew even stronger.
I would point out, however, that this idea goes both ways--many people on this subreddit will fight for what they "know" to be true against all evidence. Those that buy official explanations are just as certain as you are--remember that.
17 Cerehectus 2015-09-13
Well, at that point you're fighting ego, not reason. Ego might arguably be the most perverse mechanism of humanity.
5 no1113 2015-09-13
Perhaps. When it is sufficiently developed into super ego, however, it can be an effective boon toward a decent and flourishing being and, ultimately, civilization. This is, of course, the great task we have before us, however - to develop our fledgling, self-interested egos into the type of super egos that can help not only ourselves, but our world and fellow beings as well. As such, it is not so much that the ego is the most perverse mechanism of humanity. It is that an overbearing ego is a hallmark of a very underdeveloped species - which we most definitely are at the current moment of our evolutionary progress. If we do not kill ourselves first, that ego can eventually evolve into a properly balanced superego, and it can then find its proper place amongst our civilization not as "the most perverse mechanism" that it justifiably seems like now, but as a tool that can be used to cause us to continue becoming even better, more advanced beings.
6 asiltopbr 2015-09-13
http://ianchadwick.com/blog/and-again-more-mis-attibuted-quotes-online/
Didn't even say this.
6 iKickdaBass 2015-09-13
You are going to have a hard time convincing me of that. :)
5 Cerehectus 2015-09-13
Irrelevant. It doesn't carry any more or less weight regardless of who said it. Not to me, anyway.
A person's name should be taken with a grain of salt when dealing with subjective quotes, no matter how prominent or obscure that name is.
The weight of an idea is kept even in anonymity.
1 ledankmememan 2015-09-13
It's still pretty damn accurate though...whether Twain said it or not.
1 gonucksgo 2015-09-13
Ok. How about these?
--Joseph Goebbels
0 asiltopbr 2015-09-13
That's a great one, and I think it applies perfectly to conspiracy theorists.
Considering every study every done has shown them to be fairly gullible and easy to manipulate.
1 gonucksgo 2015-09-13
--Joseph Goebbels
TERRORISM! TERRORISM! TERRORISM! TERRORISM! TERRORISM! TERRORISM! TERRORISM! TERRORISM! TERRORISM! TERRORISM! TERRORISM! TERRORISM! TERRORISM! TERRORISM! TERRORISM! TERRORISM! TERRORISM! TERRORISM! TERRORISM! TERRORISM! TERRORISM! TERRORISM! TERRORISM! TERRORISM! TERRORISM! TERRORISM! TERRORISM! TERRORISM! TERRORISM! TERRORISM!
Fuck off troll.
0 asiltopbr 2015-09-13
I know, it's all a grand conspiracy and all the studies done saying people like you are really gullible? just a plot!
Every shooting is a false flag, bad things never happen and terrorists don't exist.
It's all a big grand scheme and people like you know the truth because you watched an alex jones youtube video and spent an hour reading a fringe conspiracy website.
Never mind the multiple studies saying you're wrong, never mind the fact the scientific community is almost never on your side and never mind the fact the evidence for the claims you make is always lacking.
It's just one big grand Jewish conspiracy to silence the truth.
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2013/11/conspiracy_theory_psychology_people_who_claim_to_know_the_truth_about_jfk.single.html
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-people-believe-conspiracy-theoies/
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0118093
I used to be delusional like you man, I woke up and realized why this is all bullshit.
You can too, you don't have to be trapped in a swarm of delusion.
3 tryintoimproveme 2015-09-13
Alright I did you a favour and read the conclusion of that study and the scientific american journal and part of the Slate article. The scientific american journal was pretty useless. No sources at all. Just an opinion. The study confirmed that scientific minded people are more open-minded on social media than conspiracy theorists.. I mean. Yeah. Duh?
The general gist I'm getting from the slate article is that it's kind of a snowball effect. Believing in one conspiracy theory opens the floodgate for others which can get you in a very tunnelvisioned mindset of accepting everything that confirms your worldview. Fair enough. That's completely human. I'll admit that if you're interested in conspiracies preserving your (actual) critical thinking is important. The danger in generalizing everyone with an actual critical attitude towards official narratives into one pile of conspiracy nuts still exists.
Aliens aren't secretly in charge of our world. Hollywood stars are probably not illuminati puppets. Cancer is not made up to make money and eating vegetables won't cure it. However the CIA has had (though hopefully ineffective) brainwash programs. The US has commited false flags to overthrow governments more than once in history (as a well documented fact) and US politics are based on manipulation by freudian psychology. There are some super rich people with doubtful agendas in the world. One conspiracy theory =\= the other.
It's a sad fact that there are cover ups, we are being lied to. Not all the time. Not by everyone, but it happens. You can't look for truth without finding a lot of bullshit, no matter where you look. Engage your critical thinking, whatever you read. That's a concept everyone should be reminded of as much as possible. I'll agree with that.
0 asiltopbr 2015-09-13
That's all I'm saying, threads like this on /r/conspiracy trying to paint conspiracy theorists as some non gullible people are retarded.
The 3rd one is the study btw, and it just showed conspiracy theorists were more easily manipulated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Au332OG-M4
If you're actually interested this guy was a TV producer in Russia for a number of years and talks about how the government uses conspiracy to control the population and the entire thing is like a scripted reality TV show.
1 tryintoimproveme 2015-09-13
That's a conspiracy hahaha! Nah I generally agree. I read the conclusion of the study and didn't find it particularly ground-breaking. I do agree with your point, it applies to all people though. "Leftists are dumb, we are smart" "Rightists are assholes, we are compassionate" "Conspiracy theorists are nutjobs, fuck yeah 'murica" It's generally a good idea to not attach yourself emotionally to any political identity you take on. It's easier to be rational if your pride isn't in the way. Goes for everyone.
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1 asiltopbr 2015-09-13
Yeah, the 3 sources I linked don't exist.
1 gonucksgo 2015-09-13
Well, yes and no. Not EVERYTHING is a conspiracy, but that doesn't mean there aren't in fact things going on behind the scenes that you aren't aware of. I would love to be as certain as you are. I would love to believe that everything takes place and happens just the way the state and corporate media says it does. But the proof is in the pudding, man. History has shown time and time again that there are many many things we are lied to about, and many many things held out of the light from public scrutiny.
Now, what I find interesting is that people like you can drink the juice so damn easily without questioning anything along the way.
Being a skeptic is actually very hard work. It is met with opposition from the status quo (such as yourself) at every turn. Personal attacks through fear of social alientation is all you have for a defense against those that would step out of line to challenge the norms, values and the beliefs manufactured and/or shaped by the corporate, and state narrative for nearly everything.
Could be. Maybe. Maybe not. You don't know for a matter of fact if it is or it isn't. People only know (you included) what they've been told, shown, what they've read, watched, or experienced, etc. in their lives on this planet. You go ahead and come on down from your ivory tower whenever you're ready there, bud.
Perhaps, just perhaps someone has done more groundwork on certain matters than you have. Who? What? When? Where? Why?
These are questions that should be asked ANYTIME information comes across your lap, regardlessof who or where it comes from, or what you looking at. Critical thinking is imperative.
As I state again, being a skeptic is hard work. And understanding what is or isn't reliable information is all part of the work of being a thinking human being.
Now, to say that EVERYTHING is a conspiracy would be overreaching. But to say that there are NO conspiracies, or there is NOTHING hidden from the public, would be just plain stupid.
ALL bullshit? If that is your position, then you REALLY haven't been doing your homework.
You took the words right out of my mouth, bud.
Your grade: D -
Please see me after class.
1 asiltopbr 2015-09-13
Actually, what I am is a skeptic, a conspiracy theorist is not a skeptic and that's evident by the overwhelming confirmation bias found in their circles.
I question EVERYTHING, which is why I call bullshit on people like you.
I go where the overwhelming scientific evidence takes me, that's just almost never on your side of the isle.
Please don't call yourself a skeptic, it's insulting to actual skeptics.
Notice how the /r/skeptic sub makes fun of people like you? guess why that is.
http://observationdeck.kinja.com/the-fine-line-between-conspiracy-theory-and-rational-sk-1607326065
Now if you want to become an actual skeptic I can help you maybe, but what you are my friend is not a skeptic and I learned that after going on your post history.
Nothing infuriates me more than conspiracy theorists on here claiming to be skeptics, don't you dare compare yourself to me.
Your grade? F.
0 gonucksgo 2015-09-13
No, actually your not. You've made that abundantly clear by every single word you've spoken on this thread so far.
That's just stupid.
The two may or may not be mutually exclusive, depending on the person. There is no strict black and white, and they are absolutely interrelated. It's called linguistics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistics
Here let me help you out here, as you don't seem to actually know what the terms mean.
skep·tic/ˈskeptik/
noun
-a person inclined to question or doubt all accepted opinions.
-an ancient or modern philosopher who denies the possibility of knowledge, or even rational belief, in some sphere.
conspiracy theory
-an explanatory hypothesis that accuses two or more persons, a group, or an organization of having caused or covered up, through secret planning and deliberate action, an event or situation which is typically taken to be illegal or harmful.
Now, do you see how these terms are related?
And If you don't, it's cuz yeeeerrr dduuuuuummm.
Cite something specific you question then. What is something that you think the government is lying about? Is there anything?! Or does everything happen just the way the TV and the government tells you it does?
You question everything? Suuuuuuure you do.
That's good. Likewise.
Hahahaha. My god.... Dude, make a valid argument. So far all you've done is revert to attacks. You have literally added nothing but conjecture and nonsense.
You are a sad sad individual, I gotta say.
Yawn.
Clearly, you are the one that needs help here, kid.
"Actual skeptic." You don't even know what that means. You pigeon hole anyone that questions the status quo as a conspiracy theorist but not a skeptic.
See: above definitions.
Yeah? Read all 25,000 comment karma worth of posts? I would actually like to see that.
I am a skeptic. If that ties to conspiracies now and again, so be it. Skepticism holds no bounds. I think that's what you don't get.... And probably never will.
Baaaaahahaha. Wouldn't dream of it.
Although life probably would be much easier to live like you do, Forrest Gump.
0 asiltopbr 2015-09-13
I've got news for you pal, skeptics don't run around on reddit calling everyone a shill.
You're not a skeptic, a conspiracy theorist is not a god damn skeptic.
There is literally a skeptic sub on reddit that makes fun of this sub and people like you, it isn't because skeptics consider themselves conspiracy theorists.
If you went where the scientific evidence took you, then you wouldn't be a truther.
So I'm not sure why you said "likewise" to that.
1 gonucksgo 2015-09-13
EVERYONE? You sure do love your overgeneralizations don't you.
Yes. They are. By the very nature of language, they are. It cannot be denied for it would be a paradox.
Good for them. Don't care.
Actually, I find the opposite true. You think 911 happened exactly the way the government says it did.
Whereas, I don't. There are too many holes and coincidences for the official story to be true. Any skeptic would see that. Period.
You got nothing, bud. Stop talking to me.
0 asiltopbr 2015-09-13
I think the overwhelming scientific evidence explaining 9/11 is more accurate than a bunch of mentally disabled truthers that jump to conclusions.
The government isn't saying anything, it's the scientific community saying this is how it happened.
You're not a skeptic because I doubt you've ever stepped out of your truther echo chamber and even attempted to read what the scientific community says.
https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/home
This guy basically killed the truther movement on his own.
There's a reason truthe
2 gonucksgo 2015-09-13
That's because you don't know how to think properly. I don't blame you though.
The NIST models are garbage.
The underlying narrative for 'blowback' is garbage .
Its bullshit piled on bullshit.
JFK assassination coverup is exactly the same thing. Magic bullet, eh. You keep beating that drum buddy.
Ha. You have no idea what you're talking about.
Oh yeah? The 'movement' is dead?
There is no 'movement'. There is only the open questioning and skepticism of things. People all over the world know what's going on. Maybe you should take your head out of your ass and take a look around sometime.
There are MILLIONS and MILLIONS of us around the world. He "Killed the movement." Ha! Nice try.
0 asiltopbr 2015-09-13
You're absolutely delusional if you think the entire scientific community is covering up 9/11, I'm sorry but I'm going to form my opinion based on what actual experts say and not what morons that build grocery stores for a living say.
There's a reason every credible engineer and every credible school in the country makes fun of truthers, and it isn't because they're the rational ones.
And yes, the entire truther movement got destroyed by actual engineers.
Every single conspiracy around 9/11 has been firmly and soundly debunked hundreds of times.
You just live in an echo chamber, and the JFk assassination "cover up" Jesus christ I'm done.
http://www.helpguide.org/home-pages/schizophrenia.htm
Here you go man.
1 gonucksgo 2015-09-13
Doesn't take ALL of them to do that.
Likewise.
Ok good. That's a start.
Doesn't matter.
Uh, no.
No again.
Echo chamber. Lol. Ok then
Lol. Now you're equating schizophrenia to sketpical thinkers.
Keep going, dude. This is hilarious.
You don't have a leg to stand on.
0 asiltopbr 2015-09-13
When you have views that go against 99% of the scientific community that isn't called being a skeptic, stop trying to call yourself a skeptic.
There is a large difference between someone like you and a skeptic.
1 gonucksgo 2015-09-13
You really haven't a clue, do you.
You've proven to me time and time again here that I am much more of a skeptic than you are.
Lol. Man you're stupid.
Stop msging me, Gump
Go for a run or something. Preferably into traffic.
0 asiltopbr 2015-09-13
Conspiratards are not skeptics, and I've already linked you things saying why.
you're a mentally ill moron, not a skeptic.
Every skeptic website, every skeptic subreddit makes fun of you guys.
It's beyond comical you try to call yourself a skeptic.
1 gonucksgo 2015-09-13
Ok there, Forest Gump.
Lol.
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2 ClavicepsTex 2015-09-13
Also, let's face it, people want to be entertained. There was something that 9/11 ignited in people that had really been there all along.
People wanted to feel, and 9/11 (other events as well) gave them an opportunity to do so. It gave an entire nation the excuse it needed to satisfy its movie/tv fed bloodlust (or, alternatively, the war they'd always wanted to protest).
Who are we to rob them of that?
2 SkyeFire 2015-09-13
Seriously? Yeah, nah. Lets just let fantasy and entertainment rule the planet so everyone can feel happy, instead of dealing with the truth and working towards unity. Great plan.
2 holocauster-ride 2015-09-13
Panem et circenses
0 SnarkyFartBlast 2015-09-13
They should really up the game where football is concerned. Add weapons and obstacles. I got a whole loaf of Wonderbread and I need my Fantasy Football team to win this year.
2 LetsHackReality 2015-09-13
What's a few million dead Arabs, anyhow?
0 holocauster-ride 2015-09-13
They will find a way to exact revenge
1 LetsHackReality 2015-09-13
...under control of the same assholes that attacked them.
1 jamesfromdelaware 2015-09-13
But that was all orchestrated along with it. You really think it's a coincidence that Michael Bay's Pearl Harbor came out in the summer of 2001?
2 tryintoimproveme 2015-09-13
It could also be working the other way around. We can be fooled by shitty articles and non-existing conspiracies just as much. Keep questioning yourself and everything you believe. Being here does get you the headstart of actively searching for information instead of just consuming what you get but that's about it.
I hate this age of disinformation. It's hard to have faith in my worldview when I know there are millions of other wacky worldviews people have just as much faith in, who am I to know better. Sometimes I just wish for simpler times.
4 Richard_Engineer 2015-09-13
I wonder if this means that the best way to combat lies is with counter propoganda, instead of convincing people they have been lied to.
2 badfonts 2015-09-13
It would be a necessary evil imo
3 average_shill 2015-09-13
Anti-propaganda propaganda?
3 badfonts 2015-09-13
It's better than trying to convince people that their whole world view is wrong
0 average_shill 2015-09-13
No, it's easier
1 zeropoint357 2015-09-13
And be as bad as them? There's a moral and spiritual aspect to all this you know.
1 jamesfromdelaware 2015-09-13
You guys realize that the word propaganda doesn't mean lie, right? It's just spreading (propagating) an idea. The idea could be good, bad, or neither. Most of what gets posted r/conspiracy is propaganda. Alot of it is good propaganda. Triumph of the will = bad propaganda. Cartoons that teach kids to brush their teeth and wash their hands = good propaganda.
1 zeropoint357 2015-09-13
Ah, OK. I just thought he meant replacing a lying narrative with another. Your explanation is better but I would suggest we're probably doing as much as can be done in that regard. The recent billboard thing going on however is pretty cool.
4 Roman420 2015-09-13
People still get all crazy if you tell them 911 was black op.
3 [deleted] 2015-09-13
You're fooled you can't get fooled agi'n! That's why we're still in the middle east. We were fooled on 9/11 and we're still refusing to be fooled again! So: anything they wanna do ... is ok. I'm just a consumer and I vote.
2 make_mind_free2go 2015-09-13
makes sense; if one's 'existence' is a lie, the truth is not believable.
2 FREETHOUGHTSOPEN 2015-09-13
Amen.
2 TheReal_JimmyK 2015-09-13
The trick is to fool them into believing the truth.
0 DronePuppet 2015-09-13
For a fool!
The Shins: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcGFftW0_GQ
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/shins/forafool.html
0 120z8t 2015-09-13
Sums up this sub perfectly at times. Also Mark Twain never said that. But I guess you have already been fooled so it is pointless to mention that.
0 asiltopbr 2015-09-13
That's a great one, and I think it applies perfectly to conspiracy theorists.
Considering every study every done has shown them to be fairly gullible and easy to manipulate.
1 zeropoint357 2015-09-13
Ah, OK. I just thought he meant replacing a lying narrative with another. Your explanation is better but I would suggest we're probably doing as much as can be done in that regard. The recent billboard thing going on however is pretty cool.