The truth about Bernie Sanders? He can't make a lick of difference.

Nobody that is running for President can make a lick of difference. The powers that be are too engrained into our current political system. It's corrupted, it's rigged, it's political theater to make you think that your vote makes a difference. It doesn't. At least not on it's own.

But Sanders has come out and said it... hiding the truth in plain sight, and all that.

And now let me tell you something that no other candidate for president will tell you, and that is that no matter who is elected to be president, that person will not be able to address the enormous problems facing the working families of our country. They will not be able to succeed, because the power of Corporate America, the power of Wall Street, the power of campaign donors is so great, that no president alone can stand up to them. That is the truth. People may be uncomfortable about hearing it but that is the reality. And that is why, what this campaign is about, is saying loudly and clearly ‘it is not just about electing Bernie Sanders President, it is about creating a grassroots political movement in this country.’

Whatever your thoughts on Sanders might be, whatever the truth about him may reveal, he's absolutely right about this. We need to stop thinking that we'll miraculously find some diamond in the rough that can magically eradicate the influence of money in politics. The only thing that will enact any sort of change is for people to put aside their petty differences and come together to stand against the inequality of wealth, the inequality of power, the inequality of justice, and the inequality of law that corporations, government officials, and wealthy billionaires have worked so hard to implement. This not only means casting a vote every few years, it means getting involved with the political process. It means educating yourself and making wiser decisions about which companies you do business with. It means writing letters and calling your representatives. It means peacefully protesting, engaging in public awareness campaigns, and educating others. As long as those of us in the 99% remain divided, lazy, lethargic, and content, we will remain defeated.

Is Sanders the idyllic diamond in the rough that will save us from TPTB? Fuck no. We are. We're the only ones that can make a difference. I mean, we aren't actually going to do anything about it, but at the end of the day, we've got nobody to blame but ourselves.

We can vote for whoever the fuck we want to. But, if after election day we sit back on your asses and remove ourselves from participation, then things will continue as they have been.

Bernie Sanders would agree with you on many points. And it's not even a conspiracy. It's blatant robbery and no effort is being made to cover it up. Citizens United is in and of itself a grand conspiracy, except that it's not. It sounds like one, but it's right there out in the open and there isn't a damn thing you can do about corporate buying power and heavy lobbying. That is what runs this country.

/slow clap

99% remain divided, lazy, lethargic, and content, we will remain defeated.

That is what we need to fix, laziness, but how?? It seems like enough people are aware, but nothing is happening. I think most are confused on how to proceed with this type of information.

The truth about Sanders? Whatever he appears to be now he'll be a figurehead and enabler for big businesses and the M.I.C. at the expense of the well-being of his citizens if elected. Or he'll be offed.

Where do you get that feeling from? Literally his biggest corporate campaign donor was some relatively small association of American based sugar companies, but that was when I checked him out last year when signed up for his campaign. I've been supporting him since I first saw him on cspan with an I next to VT years ago when I was getting into politics. He's a good man. People are skeptical of his popularity but this has been a long time coming.

Oh yeahs hes Jewish, so there will be alot of mistrust on these boards. Whatever you say about this place, there are some racist fucks.

It has nothing to do with his ethnicity and everything to do with being the President of a supremely corrupted system.
I'm saying he won't have much choice in the matter.

He has duel citizenship with USA and Israel. Which is a big red flag. He also seems to be a warhawk. Other then that it's kind of hard to find anything bad about Sanders. Anyone is better then another Bush or Clinton. Trump just proves that point.

A warhawk? Are you kidding?

yeah man if you think hes a warhawk I would do pay attention a lil bit more.

He doesn't have dual citizenship.

You don't have a legit source for this.

Love it. You get downvoted for (mostly) facts.

As I said, the judge is out as to if he's a dulie as he's been reported to be many times and has just started denying it recently.

He's already lost me as a voter over the NDAA and the Abramhoff thing. Even if I didn't know that stuff I will NOT EVER vote for a dual citizen nor should they EVER be allowed even run for office to as their allegiance is NEVER to America...ever.

If anyone can name me even ONE dual citizen that didn't show overt favoritism to Israel, well, I'm listening!

Dual citizen=traitor in nearly EVERY case. No two ways about it.

Why do you think he has dual citizenship?

NPR stated that he has dual citizenship, but he denies it.

As for now, I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt.

As a Jewish person he can get an Israeli citzenship if he wants. He probably just never went through the process.

This is true. As a Jew this is his right for some reason. God knows why!

I think that dual citizenship is bogus. Why can't we have Mexican dual citizenship then?

Bill hicks had a riff where he said he thought after every president was elected they are taken to a room by the people really running the show and shown the zapruder film.

I think there's truth to that. It doesn't really matter who is elected to most any position.

What the fuck is this? I see a post like this every day here in conspiracy hating on the only candidate that is worth a shit....

But he's not. He's Barack Obama 2.0. Remember all tge "change" and "righteousness" that Obama stood for? Where is it now?

how is he obama 2.0?

Well, for starters Obama ENDORSES Sanders so it's really easy to make that comparison.

But Sanders is literally clamoring the same rhetoric Obama did, "Believe in change! it's all you guys you just gotta have hope!" Oh yeah? Aside from gay rights, what has Obama actually accomplished in office besides tearing the Constitution to shreds.

And his stances are unreasonable just like Obama's. Free tuition for our entire country? That doesn't even make sense logistically. Just like Obamacare, which is currently falling apart, these ideas are idealistic at best, but could never(and should never) be introduced.

free tuition could easily be accomplished with the funds required to carry out the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria.........He's also an anti-war candidate. He voted against the war in iraq, he's repeatedly voted against the patriot act, Bulk collection of phone records...he wants to end the drug war...

So what about the kids that don't extend their education through college? Are they to receive some set of 4 year package for their time or is it tough shit for them? My point is that unless college is mandatory for people until their early twenties, there's much more on the table than free college.

The answer is not "Make tuition free". The answer is make education continue through a person's early twenties and make it accessible to them so that they can be who they want to be.

I'm sorry but you're buying into politician's lies so you feel like you're part of the fight. Coincidentally, Obama did the same thing with healthcare.

And if you think that war is going away any time soon, you're not paying attention.

First of all, its "make public school tuition free". No, they aren't to receive a set of 4 year package for their time, because they didn't apply to a college. "The federal funding for Sanders’s proposal would come from a tax on financial transactions. Stock trades, bonds, and derivative trading would be taxed at rates of 0.5 percent, 0.1 percent, and 0.005 percent, respectively. Supporters of the financial transaction tax, which they call the “Robin Hood tax,” say it is not only a progressive way to raise revenue but would also discourage dangerous levels of Wall Street speculation." You also don't appear to have an answer. I'm not saying I know for a fact the man is perfect, but he certainly appears to me to be the best candidate and you're offering no alternative.

edit: And by the way war is over if you want it.

The answer is make education continue through a person's early twenties and make it accessible to them so that they can be who they want to be.

Also, dude. His plan is pretty much exactly what you've described here. I think you're confused.

So what happens when a university is full? You just go to the next one? That plan does not take into account the influx of out of state applicants, especially from the foreign sector. And if your response is to build more schools, why would that make sense? Spend MORE public funds to create MORE schools that cover the tuition?

Sander's "plan" is one page long and doesn't offer any actual solid figures apart from the $47b price tag.

And my solution is the current system we have in place which allows kids to continue an education if they so desire. When it comes to finances, there are many easy way to get grants and scholarships. If you have the take loans out, that's probably the best thing that can happen for you because you're basically forced to integrate yourself into society from the get go. When I graduated college, I had no incentive to go into the work force because I had a full scholarship. The same applies to many other graduates who then don't have the drive to go out there and make their careers.

My point about the college system is that you're buying into the same bullshit lies that politicians use to get you to vote for them. He has a "plan" but it's in no way shape or form an actual solution.

And I would vote Gary Johnson before any of these assholes.

I think when a university is full it stops accepting applicants, the same thing they've always done. Middle class incomes cannot afford to put someone through school with the amount of inflation in cost that's occurred so everyone is doing what you suggest and taking out loans to be "integrated into society". You really think being indebted is integrated? Nah. Also, I think Gary Johnson is plenty great and all, but he's unelectable in 2016 as the head of a marijuana company. You wanna talk about idealistic? Finally, I really don't give a hoot about Bernie's education plan, I've graduated as well, and from a stupidly expensive private school that I'm currently paying for and will be for the next 20 years or so. Bernie speaks out against the Citizens United ruling and he stands a real chance at becoming the president. This isn't true of any other candidate.

I would agree in that regard. But just because he's the lesser of the evils doesn't mean I have to endorse him. Obama was the lesser of the evils and that's turned out rather dandy.

I think debts should be eliminated after 10 years of paying them if they're not already covered. To me, that would provide a better solution than to make it free altogether.

Yes, I do feel like you should work your ass off in your twenties to:

-establish a solid work ethic to provide for your family

-make yourself a professional

-keep yourself out of trouble

I don't believe in much of anything. But I believe Bernie Sanders is a good man without any ill-intent. Not the lesser of many, many evils, but in fact a good man with a chance to win. Take a closer look. Also, I'm really curious as to your age demographic. I'm 24. I think you think "work your ass off" and "endure soul-crushing debt" are the same thing.

Honestly, what took me off the Bernie train is when he let the BLM people dismantle his speech. To me, that showed me that when the time came, Bernie would not have the balls to stand up for what is actually right. So to me, he is just another puppet that will not actually enforce what he believes. He will just continue the government's agenda.

And I'm 25. What's your degree if your debt is soul crushing? Because unless you went to Full Sail, your debt should reflect your potential career earnings to an extent.

As in, if you went to law school, yeah your debt is insane, but you should also be able to make the type of money to cover that.

And yes, I would say that a huge amount of debt is definitely the American way(look at the country's spending).

I pretty much went to full sail :-) . Stupid fucking move. I'm an idiot, I'm not trying to argue the contrary, but I'm a happy idiot. I'm not a career oriented person, I'm just a damn good waiter and an independent musician hack. Also, since this is /r/conspiracy, have you considered that the BLM people at that event were maybe not genuine and were paid to do that stunt? He doesn't have a bunch of security at his events because that's not what his campaign spends its money on. It could've gone much worse, he showed his character as a decent, reasonable, unconfrontational when it doesn't matter kind of person. Most politicians by today's standards wouldn't let people get that close to them, would've had body guards take the women away, or lashed out at least verbally in some way. Bernie is the puppet of the people, not the defense lobby, not the marijuana lobby, not the "powers that be." Unlike the sitting president, he's spent decades in congress fighting for what he believes in and making REAL and difficult compromises when he absolutely must, not compromising his values. His record checks out, you really can't ask for a much better candidate, in my opinion. Its all shit anyway. He's the obvious vote. I believe the powers that be will do anything and everything to see that he isn't elected.

Honestly, man, your time right now as a server is the best you'll have it flexibility wise. Adjustable hours, the ability to make money on a whim, getting paid cash daily. If I were you, I'd just stay a server if you can deal with the social stigma attached to it.

I was a server for 7 years and I fucking hate my "job". I get a bullshit check every 2 weeks and I'm always broke 2 days after payday.

And yes, the BLM move was orchestrated to discredit Bernie by the Clinton camp. But I want my leader to be strong, not a pushover. If he wanted to "let them speak" and continue he would have done so. But he got figuratively pushed off the stage.

And I haven't even gotten to his gun stance yet! Agree to disagree though.

I'm taking down over 40k this year with it and I like it, so I'm thinking this might be the good life. I think Bernie actually believes 9/11 was what they say, all the shootings are real, ISIS is exactly what they say...bla bla bla. I think people who genuinely believe these things come to the same conclusion about guns and terrorism as I did before I questioned things. But yeah, I agree that his gun stance and minimum wage hike are cringe-inducing (mom and pop shops cannot survive $15 minimum wage), but I think citizen's united is more important than both. Minimum wage and gun rights are fought in congress. As president, he can personally make a difference in taking the money out of politics via supreme court nominees. That's his platform, we all know it, and it doesn't matter to me if he sat one speech out because some hired protestors went and were paid to make him look bad no matter how he responded. I don't see a better choice and I don't think he's a bad one. That's my pitch, maybe i should join his campaign, sheeeit. Also, this has truly been a nice discussion and thank you.

edit: maybe if he truly believes in 9/11 and stuff he would go into cardiac arrest, like, day one in the white house. I dunno, he certainly needs to prove himself more, but I'm probably voting for him and I did donate ten bucks the other day.

Yeah, it's always nice to be able to express your opinion without being villainized.

All the promises he makes based on things anyone with more than one brain cell knows he can't and won't change. Too much crap to list.

He specifically says in his all his speeches that one president cannot effect overnight change. Its power to the people and a step by step process. The only promise he's actually made is to nominate a supreme court justice who will vote to overturn citizens united. Go ahead and use your the rest of your brain cells to find his other "promises"

Here's an example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddm-8JBGMDc

Yeah. and I mean, its the same speech every time. But it is an earnest speech, and if one interprets it as promises I'd say one didn't hear it.

Obviously, you're not a golfer.

Paul Wellstone and JFK/RFK were good enough to be a threat to those who opposed them. Cynthia McKinney did some good. It's not impossible for good people to rise up through the political process. Just rare and difficult.

It's impossible to be reelected 8 times to Congress however, without giving in to some special interest groups.

Actually, everything is public record and his campaign donations from corporate sponsors are miniscule compared to grass roots support. So you know anything about Sanders? He got elected in Burlington VT for mayor, being out a decade long incumbent as an independent nobody and did the same thing in the House. He's a perfect example of public financing for elections, which is also one of his ideas for reform, which is huge, cause not even this board talks about campaign finance.

Edit: if not Sanders, be my guest vote for trump. Or yeah Hillary. Real stand up people.

Finally, I see someone else make the point I've been trying to make to other people.

Bernie Sanders has been in Washington for 30 years. His answer to this country's problems is to feed the beast more. The answer to him, is just to give the federal government more money, and more power, and that will fix everything.

It's laughable that people really believe that this already corrupted to the core system, just needs more money, and more power.

Sander's is a fraud, and the only reason he's doing well is because people see that Hillary Clinton is more of a fraud, and are desperate for an alternative.

I cant believe these posts are such a circlejerk, they are all made by the same persons (bernie supporters), and all very high upvotes, coincidence?

I think he's another "Change" and "Yes we Can" feel good meme candidate, just watch the interview of him regarding his stance on Zionism, you can clearly see him doing mental gymnastics and panicking looked like fear to me. Also his backtracking on auditing the Fed.

P.S. It's amusing to see the downvotes you got for even asking this question..

He is not another Obama and his track record proves it. He exposes corporate American corruption which is why the media refuses to cover him. If you care AT ALL about the direction this country goes I would suggest actually looking into what Bernie Sanders is about.

Lol. Is that some sort of patriotic(?) blackmail? I was just voicing out my assessment of the guy. If you want to convince me or anyone else for that matter, you should present more compelling arguments on his defence, not just a demonstration of your seemingly blind devotion to the guy.

Hey can you link me this interview?

https://youtu.be/S5vOKKMipSA?t=1559

After rewatching it I must admit I might have overjudged him a bit. Lel

Stefan Molyneux did a thing on this.

He's dead right about Bernie Panders.

Here's a definition for y'all too:

dem·a·gogue ˈdeməˌɡäɡ/

noun

a political leader who seeks support by appealing to popular desires and prejudices rather than by using rational argument.

synonyms: rabble-rouser, agitator, political agitator, soapbox orator, firebrand, fomenter, provocateur

If he renews the COG/COOP like Obama did every time, then there's no point.

i've read that all US presidents are related through family bloodlines, if Sanders isn't, he won't be elected, when both candidates have bloodlines (& that would make them related), the one with the more influential relatives would probably be chosen.

edit: unless the matrix cracks & shatters.

"Barack Obama often jokes in his campaign speeches about a genealogical survey last year that found he is a distant cousin of Dick Cheney.

Now there is more bad news for Obama: a study published yesterday found he is related to George Bush as well.

Researchers at the New England Historic Genealogical Society, founded in 1845, said Obama, the son of a white woman from Kansas and a black man from Kenya, can call six US presidents his cousins: both Bushes, Gerald Ford, Lyndon Johnson, Harry Truman and James Madison. The society, a non-profit organisation, found he is also related to Churchill.

It said it investigated the blood lines of the three presidential hopefuls. One of the oddest connections is that Obama is related to Brad Pitt and Hillary Clinton to Pitt's partner, Angelina Jolie.

Clinton, who is of French-Canadian descent on her mother's side, is a distant cousin of Madonna, Céline Dion and Alanis Morissette. Other distant cousins include writer Jack Kerouac and Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall.

Obama and Bush are 10th cousins, once removed, linked by Samuel Hinkley of Cape Cod, who died in 1662. Pitt and Obama are ninth cousins, linked by Edwin Hickman, who died in Virginia in 1769. Clinton and Jolie are ninth cousins, twice removed, both related to Jean Cusson who died in Quebec in 1718.

While family trees such as these throw up interesting links, genetically they are meaningless. While children carry half the genes of their father, cousins as far removed as Obama and Bush would have no more genetic link than someone they bumped into at random in the street.

The Republican candidate, John McCain, had claimed to be related to the Scottish king Robert the Bruce but, as the Guardian disclosed last week, British genealogists debunked that. The New England genealogists found no royal strain either but established yet another Bush connection: McCain is a sixth cousin of the first lady, Laura Bush.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/mar/26/barackobama.hillaryclinton

Truth?

Zionist, voted for NDAA and NOT to investigate Jewish mega-criminal Jack Abramhoff.

That's all I need to know.

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Source on this?

He's running on nominating someone to the supreme court that will overturn citizens united. This alone makes him the most genuine candidate. I saw him speak when he came to my small town a few months ago. I gotta say, he seems very earnest. Not like the rest.

He was one of the Senators who cosigned a bill to repeal the Defense of Marriage Act basically paving the way for the government to actually consider legalizing gay marriage, so if you hate gays/gay-marriage then he's not your candidate.

I think we have bigger issues in the US than gay marriage. Even in the gay marriage debate, no one talks about why the government is even in the marriage business in the first place. I guess if you wanna be a beggar begging for scraps from the government, harp as much as you want. But, if you want to be truly free, maybe we should get the IRS/FED/Federal government out of it. It's none of their damn business.

Well said.

Even in the gay marriage debate, no one talks about why the government is even in the marriage business in the first place.

Because marriage is a civil contract between two people. All sorts of ramifications occur if a group is denied marriage, from medical benefits, hospital visitation, housing, wills, taxes etc.

Religious freedom exists in the US. Your cult/church can still have a marriage ceremony excluding gay marriage, but the government cannot deny certain rights to entire groups of people.

And you can still choose not to get married. Or be married several times, like Kim Davis.

Its only a big issue because some intolerant tax exempt groups choose to make it so. It is settled law now.

That's my point. It hasn't always been that way though, so let's revert back. As I said:

maybe we should get the IRS/FED/Federal government out of it. It's none of their damn business.

lol @ Identity politics.

When I was much younger one of my favorite musical acts had stolen its name from a Talking Heads song titled, "Radiohead." It bothered me even then that I desired so strongly their promo dvd "You Are A Target Market."

You might say that I could "Feel The Bern."

Well that's the only influential bill he was apart of. I went through all of his congressional history. Nothing really interesting there except that Congress passed a lot of arbitrary "awareness days" in the 90s lol I don't have the resources to know much else about him

Calling Radiohead a musical act is the most Radiohead thing I've read in a while. And that's coming from a fan

uhhh

Sanders thinks he's a champion of the people and he believes himself. I believe him up to a point due to family members having dealt with him.

On the other hand he votes with the militant factions of government and is far too friendly with the military Industrial Complex.

There is no other candidate that's even that close to being acceptable. .

You will not find a legit source on that. He's denied it on NPR just this year. http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/article/2015/jun/11/backstory-behind-diane-rehms-question-bernie-sande/

Those lists we've all read about senators with dual citizenship are made up, apparently. It would be nice to see a factual list of dual citizens in congress.

uhhh

lol @ Identity politics.

When I was much younger one of my favorite musical acts had stolen its name from a Talking Heads song titled, "Radiohead." It bothered me even then that I desired so strongly their promo dvd "You Are A Target Market."

You might say that I could "Feel The Bern."

I think we have bigger issues in the US than gay marriage. Even in the gay marriage debate, no one talks about why the government is even in the marriage business in the first place. I guess if you wanna be a beggar begging for scraps from the government, harp as much as you want. But, if you want to be truly free, maybe we should get the IRS/FED/Federal government out of it. It's none of their damn business.

free tuition could easily be accomplished with the funds required to carry out the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria.........He's also an anti-war candidate. He voted against the war in iraq, he's repeatedly voted against the patriot act, Bulk collection of phone records...he wants to end the drug war...

I don't believe in much of anything. But I believe Bernie Sanders is a good man without any ill-intent. Not the lesser of many, many evils, but in fact a good man with a chance to win. Take a closer look. Also, I'm really curious as to your age demographic. I'm 24. I think you think "work your ass off" and "endure soul-crushing debt" are the same thing.

I pretty much went to full sail :-) . Stupid fucking move. I'm an idiot, I'm not trying to argue the contrary, but I'm a happy idiot. I'm not a career oriented person, I'm just a damn good waiter and an independent musician hack. Also, since this is /r/conspiracy, have you considered that the BLM people at that event were maybe not genuine and were paid to do that stunt? He doesn't have a bunch of security at his events because that's not what his campaign spends its money on. It could've gone much worse, he showed his character as a decent, reasonable, unconfrontational when it doesn't matter kind of person. Most politicians by today's standards wouldn't let people get that close to them, would've had body guards take the women away, or lashed out at least verbally in some way. Bernie is the puppet of the people, not the defense lobby, not the marijuana lobby, not the "powers that be." Unlike the sitting president, he's spent decades in congress fighting for what he believes in and making REAL and difficult compromises when he absolutely must, not compromising his values. His record checks out, you really can't ask for a much better candidate, in my opinion. Its all shit anyway. He's the obvious vote. I believe the powers that be will do anything and everything to see that he isn't elected.