We should probably have a talk about how the sticky thread about ae911 payola was briagded by ae911, while the mods were forced to do nothing.
21 2015-09-16 by AssuredlyAThrowAway
I can't come back if Soverignman (who mods /r/ae911truth) is on the team, but we're losing the sub.
What shall be done?
Because I have no fucking idea, but I love this place and don't want to leave.
It's like a replacement for /r/reddit.com and we're going to lose it because of some shit fuck (former moderator, O) who got too close to money and tried to fuck us by not disclosing his conflict of interest?
Even going so far as to deny (in PM's from years ago) that he had any affiliations beyond "writing for the website".
Folks, we are having a crises here.
And either /r/conspiracy wins or AE911 turth wins.
Can't have it both ways.
80 comments
9 sheasie 2015-09-16
should mods be accepting money in any way ?
no.
is that a reasonable ideal?
ideal? yes.
should O be held accountable in this case? no.
doesn't it make sense that someone who MODS a /r/ is also a blogger on that topic ? (duh?) Or might you prefer MODS that have no interest in the topic they are modding ?? ;)
i don't see how O has acted irresponsible towards this sub.
/u/Orangutan has consistently (and more than most, in my opinion) supported this sub in a neutral & positive way.
In my opinion, the remaining MODS were brash. overly twitchy trigger fingers.
I challenge any/all of the remaining MODS to publicly identify themselves, their hobbies and their business interest -- prove to us all that you not financially benefitting from your position as a /r/ mod -- not in any way -- no matter how indirect.
RIP Orangutan -- you helped keep this sub great. I can only hope the remaining subs will acknowledge and learn from this error in judgment, as they venture forward in pursuit of their own respective agenda.
2 AssuredlyAThrowAway 2015-09-16
Okay, but illuminatedwax goes first.
2 oldguynewname 2015-09-16
You mean you don't know who he is or where his interests lie?
I can't be the only one that found it odd he rarely even comes around.
-2 AssuredlyAThrowAway 2015-09-16
I find it very odd.
I never said anything, for fear he would come down on the subreddit and remove all mods.
After today, I do believe he may have some connection to O and ae911truth.
But as a subreddit what are we going to do?
The very nature of faction is a result of that essential liberty which defines our contemporary ethic; to deny these men the right to be friends is wrong.
Yet, how do we weigh that principle against the inevitable effect of said faction on things such as the free flow of information.
/u/flytape will tell you how hard these ae911 guys drive an agenda.
I dont like it, and I feel we as a community (reddit admins included) have to stop the behavior.
2 oldguynewname 2015-09-16
Community? Lol that what you think this is here?
Come on man people in here are so goddamn full of hate and anger that they are just looking for a target. The "community" has shown its utter craziness time and time again by the acts of just recklessness.
The daycare thing, then the doxxing of the families in the sandy hook shit. No what you have here is a shitload of people hellbent on fucking shit up.
No matter how many goddamn physicist, architects, and journalist you get to post story after story it won't matter. Ain't shit gonna change. You need a new angle. Over half the citizens don't believe the official story so what more can you do?
Pick a new angle or find a new hobby. This isn't a fight you will win. You just won't so fuck it you have done all you can do. Enough people don't believe the bullshit. Hell 60% don't trust the government acts in our best interests.
I don't get the whole reason you are pissed. Is it cause you aren't part of the "crew" now? To hell with them. They want to do shady shit then so be it. Those in the community that choose to follow them can just keep doing that.
Fuck people. Can't save them all.
Like I said flip that switch and realize all form of social media are completely controlled. You think the members of this mod team are not influenced by an outside force? Lol.
Even admin of reddit is. Hell they are the worst I think. I just don't care anymore. I highly doubt that even 10% of reddit users act the way they do on here as they do in real life.
It shows in the hate they spew out. So you keep saying its a community cause maybe one day you will believe that.
1 AssuredlyAThrowAway 2015-09-16
Nope.
They will be if I am still able to stop a project panda within 30 seconds.
Fine, mr Wittengstein; I'll address your concern.
What we have on display here is a principle.
That a subreddit like /r/reddit.com should exist.
2 oldguynewname 2015-09-16
Then die trying. Cause I assure you without a real plan and support of a reputable source and even then nothing will change.
Maybe you have a way and I hope you do. I really hope you succeed in this cause if you don't it will make you a bitter shell of the person you once were.
I now fight the battles I know that without a doubt I will win. Or I don't really have a care of the outcome I just see what I can do.
Cause I was like you once. Thought I was godly right and they were damnation wrong. Had all the proof and evidence. Pffff didn't take long shit was back to the same way. Just different players.
Don't get too involved. That's all I am saying.
1 AssuredlyAThrowAway 2015-09-16
I dunno man; I've seen so many transitions between so many groups.
Now, I think it's beyond who is friends with who; I'm going right for the ethic that is reddit itself.
7 SovereignMan 2015-09-16
Once again, this is not true. I mod /r/911Truth. Just look at the sidebar in my user profile.
-3 AssuredlyAThrowAway 2015-09-16
Who mods /r/ae911truth?
4 SovereignMan 2015-09-16
I don't know and I really don't care because it's a private sub.
-6 AssuredlyAThrowAway 2015-09-16
Oooh.
Nice dodge.
5 SovereignMan 2015-09-16
I do have a nice, old Dodge but I'm pretty sure you've never seen it.
3 RowdyRondaRousey 2015-09-16
Your move, AATA.
1 jacks1000 2015-09-16
How is it a "dodge?"
6 holocauster-ride 2015-09-16
Strategy of tension, cognitive infiltration. There may not be much that can be done. Unless we have an elected board that appoints moderators and that is independent from the moderation team.
Also ban mods from removing any links that don't violate reddit's rules (rather just tag them NSFW).
7 JamesColesPardon 2015-09-16
Good thing we have a safe space to stay just in case...
4 AssuredlyAThrowAway 2015-09-16
They've started to try to libel me as a pedo (think project panda/doxxgate).
Let people know whats happening please, my old friend.
5 RowdyRondaRousey 2015-09-16
Nobody here would believe such rubbish.
1 JamesColesPardon 2015-09-16
Depends how far you want this to go buddy.
0 AssuredlyAThrowAway 2015-09-16
Wut?
4 RMFN 2015-09-16
You can tell who is right when the fallacies fly.
2 Redditsuckscaulk 2015-09-16
That's a fallacy.
0 RMFN 2015-09-16
That sounds racist.
1 Redditsuckscaulk 2015-09-16
Absolutely
1 RMFN 2015-09-16
How dare you!
1 Redditsuckscaulk 2015-09-16
You'll get over it.
3 DaneelR 2015-09-16
Here's a link to confirm that sovereignman mods there:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:st0bmjLJQZMJ:https://www.reddit.com/r/911truth+&cd=1&hl=pl&ct=clnk&gl=uk
Along with illuminatedwax and Orangutan.
EDIT.
Sorry, google tricked me, it's a cache of /r/911truth, not /r/ae911truth :(
3 AssuredlyAThrowAway 2015-09-16
Oh no.
Oh no.
If it's wax everything makes sense.
/me runs into bushes.
5 DaneelR 2015-09-16
Sorry man, I accidentally posted a link to the wrong cache, it seems that /r/ae911truth has been private for a long time now and it's impossible to check who mods there.
-3 AssuredlyAThrowAway 2015-09-16
You've done enough my friend.
The jig is up.
And two accounts just came in to call me a pedophile.
They must not realize I'd subpoena reddit in a heart beat for a 12 month civil trial.
Do. Not. Fuck. With. Me.
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-1 AssuredlyAThrowAway 2015-09-16
You're going to make whoever you work for responsible for your civil transgressions.
Thanks for the quick couple hundred k.
Keep talking.
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0 AssuredlyAThrowAway 2015-09-16
I'll sue them for libel...
1 papipapichulo 2015-09-16
Lol
1 geldfister 2015-09-16
you can't sue a username for libel.
You cant be libellous about a username either.
Usernames are not identities protected in law.
Thats also why its not illegal for someone on another site to create the same username.
-2 Ambiguously_Ironic 2015-09-16
Back that accusation up with evidence or you'll be banned. You have 10 minutes.
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-1 AssuredlyAThrowAway 2015-09-16
I'm scared.
Sorry guys, this is straight project panda/doxxgate playbook stuff from ae911 truth.
It's not happening.
:(
-1 Ambiguously_Ironic 2015-09-16
Ugh. Stop lying. You're banned. Feel free to appeal to the modmail with your evidence that doesn't exist.
1 RoboBama 2015-09-16
modmail mute is now available btdubs
1 redditeditard 2015-09-16
I'm sorry, not trying to add anymore monkeys to this circus, but why would you ask for proof?!
3 Ambiguously_Ironic 2015-09-16
Because AATA has been acting a bit erratically the last week or two and the paranoid skeptic in me had suspected someone might've been on his account trying to discredit him, or something. Once it was clear these idiots were all trolls they were banned immediately.
1 SovereignMan 2015-09-16
It's not google that tricked you. It's AATA that's trying to trick everyone here.
-1 AssuredlyAThrowAway 2015-09-16
assuredly wonders why soverignman won't reveal mod list of /r/ae911truth
3 SovereignMan 2015-09-16
I can't "reveal" something I don't know.
2 RowdyRondaRousey 2015-09-16
Your move, AATA.
0 Flytape 2015-09-16
queen to G7 JOHN CENA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
0 eloquant_fister 2015-09-16
False
2 12-23-1913 2015-09-16
www.AE911Truth.org
2 jacks1000 2015-09-16
I'd vote for Soverignman to stay, and AssuredlyAThrowaway to leave, considering AssuredlyAThrowaway is making up a fake story about AE911Truth "brigading" anything.
It's been essentially the exactly opposite, a massive brigading over the last few weeks by people who are explicitly anti-AE911Truth and users who instead have promoted the VeteransToday.com crowd, complete with sheer nonsense like "micro-nukes blew up the Twin Towers from 77m underground."
This is hilariously absurd, considering ae911Truth has been the MOST credible and best truth group - really, the only truth group of any consequence, for a decade.
There are at least two mods here that are clearly promoting bullshit and lies, so I suggest anyone interested in 911 to go to /r/911truth, a high quality sub with submissions based on evidence, science, and fact.
If you want to read about Satanic Pedophile Alien Illuminatis and how the Earth Is Flat - there's /r/conspiracy.
-3 AssuredlyAThrowAway 2015-09-16
Tell me?
Who doxxed me on snoonet?
Who tried to project panda me in this very thread?
These dudes been around (any one reading this who doesn't you know and your ilk), and they don't like you.
I would say they probably hate you now actually.
You should leave.
And, for the record; you. know. nothing.
2 Vitalogy0107 2015-09-16
Can someone explain why what seems to me, with my limited knowledge, to be the most reputable movement as far as 9/11 truth is considered, would ever vote brigade on a subreddit? I just don't get it. These people have jobs, they are adults, they probably don't have time for shit like this. And the time they do spend on this, to me, seems like it would be spent on propagating information to people. Why do people he here hate AE 9/11? They were the people that really firmly got me into the cause. They look really professional, and aren't the delusional conspiracy theorist trope, they're real people. Can someone explain this to me? Please?
1 jacks1000 2015-09-16
AE911Truth is being attacked precisely because they are the most effective and most credible 9/11 Truth group - really, they are the only 9/11 Truth group out there.
There is a group of about 5 users, two of them mods, that I know of that are involved in this attack on AE911Truth.
Some of them "just happen" to be the ones that post crazy nonsense about "micro-nukes" and other disinformation about 9/11 - the same disinformation that AE911Truth has always distanced themselves from.
The mods involved in attacking AE911Truth are the same mods who FAKED an AMA by Richard Gage of AE911Truth.
2 Vitalogy0107 2015-09-16
What a disgrace, man. This sub is so toxic.
-2 AssuredlyAThrowAway 2015-09-16
Ae911 is actually being pressured because they paid one of our moderators with grants from their 501c3.
We expect admin comment soon.
Also, what happened when I exposed their payola with flytape? I got doxxed and they sent a project panda sqaud after me. How nice of them.
0 jacks1000 2015-09-16
How the fuck should I know?
Why the hell should I care?
2 a_shiII 2015-09-16
I'd just like to point out the double standard that if I called another high-level user here a "shit fuck," I'd probably have been banned from this subreddit by now.
I've also been awake for over 27 hours now and am rather drunk so my judgement may or may not be highly impaired right now. So I'm going to sleep now.
Have a nice day/night/whatever it is where you are.
1 5arge 2015-09-16
Hey chicken little, you're embarrassing yourself. It's time for you to take a break from reddit I think. Go get a second job, or find a new hobby.
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2 DaneelR 2015-09-16
Do you have a proof for that?
2 hack_jealousy 2015-09-16
Link, or gtfo.
1 AssuredlyAThrowAway 2015-09-16
If you libel me, I will suponea this site for your records and sue you for everything you have.
Don't tempt me.
5 random90292 2015-09-16
Do you realize just how crazy you sound? Seriously, you couldn't do that if you tried and you know it for a fact. Why are you acting so insane? Did someone steal this account and is trying to discredit you? Or did something happen in your life that pushed you over the edge?
1 Balthanos 2015-09-16
They look like bots.
0 [deleted] 2015-09-16
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0 RoboBama 2015-09-16
Respectfully requesting you ban these bots/trolls on sight.
2 RowdyRondaRousey 2015-09-16
Mods would have to vote secretly to do that.
-3 Balthanos 2015-09-16
I want to smash your laptop mic.
What's the odds that you are being manipulated into some type of limited hangout scenario?
0 AssuredlyAThrowAway 2015-09-16
0%
-1 Balthanos 2015-09-16
Assuredly. I see the Irony there.
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6 Balthanos 2015-09-16
Dude, I think that goes beyond random trolling. Calling someone a pedo can completely wreck their life. Even if it's not true. Consequences are a bitch, dude.
-1 AssuredlyAThrowAway 2015-09-16
assuredly calls his lawyer
assuredly calls reddit hq
assuredly is very, very angry
3 oldguynewname 2015-09-16
Reddit will ban the account and you will get voicemail. Been there done that. So here is the trick.
Use this place as a source of entertainment. The trolls will continue to just fuck with you unless you do what I did. I can't say here cause well last time I did I lost that account.
There is no leadership here at all. Never was its just a drama inducted flurry of shit. Today its you tommrow its someone else. These people within reddit want to see a ahit show and you are giving them what they want.
If you indeed brought something to the table then great they will miss it If not then no loss to you or them they won't have a reason to say a thing.
You are giving reddit money by posting comments and links to shit. Let these people within reddit turn it into an echo chamber. They are petty children looking for entertainment.
1 AssuredlyAThrowAway 2015-09-16
bpb?
really?
lol
1 oldguynewname 2015-09-16
Bpb?
1 random90292 2015-09-16
assuredly hears no response because reddit does not care
assuredly is losing it
-3 RowdyRondaRousey 2015-09-16
Sic' 'em, boy!
7 JamesColesPardon 2015-09-16
Good thing we have a safe space to stay just in case...
-1 AssuredlyAThrowAway 2015-09-16
assuredly wonders why soverignman won't reveal mod list of /r/ae911truth
-2 AssuredlyAThrowAway 2015-09-16
I find it very odd.
I never said anything, for fear he would come down on the subreddit and remove all mods.
After today, I do believe he may have some connection to O and ae911truth.
But as a subreddit what are we going to do?
The very nature of faction is a result of that essential liberty which defines our contemporary ethic; to deny these men the right to be friends is wrong.
Yet, how do we weigh that principle against the inevitable effect of said faction on things such as the free flow of information.
/u/flytape will tell you how hard these ae911 guys drive an agenda.
I dont like it, and I feel we as a community (reddit admins included) have to stop the behavior.
1 AssuredlyAThrowAway 2015-09-16
Nope.
They will be if I am still able to stop a project panda within 30 seconds.
Fine, mr Wittengstein; I'll address your concern.
What we have on display here is a principle.
That a subreddit like /r/reddit.com should exist.