RFK Assassination, MK Ultra, Jonestown
75 2015-09-28 by 2ndlinesteps
I was interested in learning more about the case of Sirhan Sirhan, which seems to be the most documented and obvious case of MK Ultra that we have to date. That's when I found this video.
This video sent me down a major rabbit hole on MK Ultra research. Jonestown was a revelation, for example.
What really interested me, however, was the bit about Sirhan Sirhan's hypnosis while in custody and the connection to Albert DeSalvo (The Boston Strangler). STRANGE!
I then found an entire series called "Programmed to Kill". You will have to conduct research while watching this series, as most of the information isn't properly sourced.
I have been on the fence about the Occult and its relation to MK Ultra, but am more convinced now that there does, in fact, seem to be a connection between MK Ultra, ritual abuse and some factions of the Occult, as well as military and police collusion.
More interesting, possibly, is the fact that many of these serial killers have a military background and have spent time at military hospitals (sometimes the same exact ones).
Join me in the rabbit hole search for the truth. There seems to be something to this.
My Hypothesis is this: 1) The Occult is used to recruit low-level, "white trash", or very poor people from severely abusive families into committing the most depraved acts on humanity for payment of video or picture evidence of torture and snuff for higher level deviants who will pay big money for such things. MK Ultra may be used to influence/control said, poor individuals whom already have fractured identities. 2) The military are recruiting grounds for CIA/MK Ultra to program killers for specific political/business hits or agendas.
What do you think about it all?
Edit: The Occult is not a religion. My bad. I'm still looking for a better term than Satanism. However, those who take part seem to worship the devil....so....I don't have a working term yet.
39 comments
9 PortOfDenver 2015-09-28
Police chief reads hypnoprogramming phrase to D.C. sniper (2002): "We understand that hearing us say this is important to you: Like A Duck In A Noose"
The Programmed To Kill series you found on YouTube is from a book by Dave McGowan, a conspiracy author who is now dying of cancer that someone warned him he would "get".
McGowan's premise in Programmed To Kill is that MKUltra is used to program serial killers -- but also that serial killers are tools of the elite for political murders.
McGowan's book does not mention this, but German author E. J. Gumbel wrote the exact same thing in 1922 when Nazis were taking over Germany with political assassinations. Gumbel's 1922 book Four Years of Political Murders is not available in the U.S. and references to Gumbel are mostly scrubbed from the Internet and search engines.
In Germany during the post-WW1 Weimar Republic, there was a decade like the 1970s in the U.S. in which the rise of "serial killers" corresponded to a series of 400 political assassinations across Germany. Gumbel pointed the finger at the Nazis and their Brown Shirts army.
Hypnoprogramming dates back to the 1700s at minimum, and is a well-known phenomenon that can be learned with farm animals on YouTube.
In 1894, one of the top five best-selling novels of all time in the U.S. was Trilby), about a hypnotist.
Political assassinations in the U.S. which may be connected to individuals who were hypnotized include the assassinations of President Garfield, President McKinley, and Senator Huey Long.
In 2014, in the state of Washington, an assistant pharmacist had his license revoked by the state for amateur hypnosis in which he hypnotized and raped a woman.
When somebody tells you that they don't believe in hypnosis, tell them that hypnosis is recognized by the state in criminal prosecutions.
Recommended: if you don't read the book Programmed To Kill then at least listen to the interviews with McGowan on YouTube.
These interviews can be converted to MP3 format using VidToMp3.com or Convert2mp3.net for easy download & mp3 player use.
2 2ndlinesteps 2015-09-28
This is an amazing collection and it will take me days to get through, but I intend to. Also, Happy Cake Day! :)
5 PortOfDenver 2015-09-28
See also my "reply to myself" as a sub-comment for more links/info
3 2ndlinesteps 2015-09-28
Holmes is covered in the Programmed to Kill series. Nothing about that ever felt right to me.
2 PortOfDenver 2015-09-28
Note also: James Holmes, the convicted Aurora "Dark Knight Rises" mass-shooter, was mentored by John Jacobsen, a psychotherapist who practices hypnosis:
2012.7.22 Video Of James Holmes At 18 Years Old Giving Presentation At Science Camp (Mentions His Mentor (John Jacobson) At 0.50) (ABC, youtube.com): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g9NYeFfJeQ
2010.4.10 How Can We Begin To Define Time?, John Jacobson, Chronicles 1 (Quote At 1.58) (youtube.com): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYca_2iOXd8
The second video has a particularly damning quote from Jacobson (or Jacobsen) at 1:58.
Alleged/convicted killer Holmes was noted to have "dabbled in hypnosis."
Is it relevant that the Aurora police chief, currently conducting the investigation, was Mayor Rudy Giuliani’s head of NYPD intelligence?
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012–07-20/news/32768190_1_police-officers-aurora-police-nypd
This information has been scrubbed from Wikipedia's entry on Dan Oates, but serves as a starting point for looking for further information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Oates#Career
3 2ndlinesteps 2015-09-28
One look at his life pre and post massacre should tell it all. What I really wonder is why his father seems to be so....EMOTIONALLY REMOVED from it all. His father has to be involved, somehow. I've never seen such detachment from a child before.
6 PortOfDenver 2015-09-28
Since a woman claiming to be his biological mother (with a "family full of FBI") had a courtroom outburst 2 months ago during Holmes' sentencing, the authenticity of Holmes' father is an open question.
For all we know, he was bred and raised in a hypnosis experiment, or to be a human sacrifice.
3 2ndlinesteps 2015-09-28
I looked into that, too. How totally odd is that? Someone just bursts into the room and claims to be his biological mother? She then gets locked up for 3 weeks for contempt of court. Do we even know if she is alive now? Do we know what happened to her while she was locked up? No, we do not.
2 SuperZan13 2015-09-28
To transcend certain "ranks" in the occult, it is sometimes required of them to make a blood sacrifice. Often the victim is required to be the person's child as they are required to give up the most precious thing to them in exchange for more occultic power from Satan or an increase into the higher "ranks" of the occult . The decision to throw his son to the hypothetical wolves would've been made long before the occurrence and thus the father is most likely in on it and had come to terms with his decision a time before it needed to happen. That would be my initial guess in any case. There are other similar cases, such as that of Miley Cyrus, where the parents let their child undergo monarch mind control in exchange for money and fame.
2 lateral_us 2015-09-28
If you think that's weird look at the lanzas
6 Alcorr 2015-09-28
Good post overall, although I think your definition of the occult is a little off. It's not technically a religion as there isn't one god or entity that is worshiped or one code of conduct.
The occult is by definition hidden knowledge. It's more a way of unlocking the mysteries of the universe more than a religious doctrine.
This is why freemasons and other occult organizations are so powerful because they are working with a cheat sheet to life so to speak while everyone else that doesn't know this "hidden" knowledge is pretty much just winging it. Not much competition when you're cheating. Not that it's really cheating.
3 2ndlinesteps 2015-09-28
Thanks for clarifying. I suppose I should have said "Satanism", but modern Satanism is a far cry from where it used to be. I really just don't know what to call it anymore. How about just "Ritual, Sacrificial Abuse"?
2 Alcorr 2015-09-28
Satanism is a serious misnomer and is what those that understand nothing of the occult typically label it.
A better phrase is ritualistic magic and if you want to talk about child killing and all that (bohemian grove) ritualistic human sacrifice is the term I would use.
5 2ndlinesteps 2015-09-28
I would encourage you to post the definition of all of these things we've mentioned. Most people have no clue, including myself. I would like to see a full post of definitions, so we can all be on the same page. Would you mind doing that?
1 RunAMuckGirl 2015-09-28
So rather then calling what you are talking about satanism, as /u/Alcorr says it is a misnomer, speaking about it as Occult Practitioners. Occult Practitioners practice ritualistic magic. satanist are born from christian belief system and they fail to understand what they are reading just like satanists. It says in the bible that Christ says everything he says is in parable, so they go right ahead and take it all literally.
And Thank you for your amazing post!! I will be busy following links for a while. =]
Edit: Yikes! I won't change it, but please forgive my sleep deprived sentence structures.
0 Alcorr 2015-09-28
There are many different types of occult practices/workings, it's practically endless.
General study:
http://www.occult-mysteries.org/study.html
FAQ:
http://www.occult-mysteries.org/occult-faq.html
2 2ndlinesteps 2015-09-28
That's not what I meant. People need easily digestible definitions. That's what I was hoping for, not a friggin manual.
1 Alcorr 2015-09-28
It's pretty complex by nature. There are easily digestible bits in the FAQ, at least in my opinion.
1 Geralt23 2015-09-28
Which is pretty much satanism. It's satanic in nature. I don't care what the 21st century definition of 'satanism' has become. Satanic and satanism means one thing and one thing only.
1 Alcorr 2015-09-28
The only way your definition is correct is if you equate any working with any spirit of this world to be satanic. Then sure, occultism is satanic.
Guardian angel? Satanic.
1 Geralt23 2015-09-28
What do you mean working with any spirit?
1 TORNasunder2 2015-09-28
I prefer the definition of the occult as; that which is hidden.
The 'occult' is simply then a catch all for those groups who work in secret to control others. So then Freemasonry, Khabbala, Satanism are just a few of the these 'occult' groups.
Satanism might best be described as trauma based mind control. Ritual sacrifice is a tool of trauma, hence control.
And all of these Occult groups are ultimately Religious. As that is a critical element of the control system.
1 Alcorr 2015-09-28
That would be a misnomer though. The occult does not necessarily need to be about control, although it often is.
1 TORNasunder2 2015-09-28
I agree, that is really 'my' definition. But when you dig down to the bottom it always seems to come back to control.
3 scallywagmcbuttnuggt 2015-09-28
Very interesting. MK Ultra and the programming of individuals is fascinating.
Personally I feel that I was being programmed last time I took drugs, long story, maybe I was just fucked up but nothing would really surprise me at this point.
Ultimately it is about control. I think for these elite groups their thinking is , " if you are weak enough to be controlled, you deserve it."
I know that's fucked up to say but I think it's how they rationalize it. Kind of like with televangelism, if you're stupid enough to believe miracle water on the tv will cure you how can you blame someone else for exploiting that?
Either way its fucked up for sure. But is there any escaping it or fighting back? That's the real question.
5 ILikeMyBlueEyes 2015-09-28
I would very much like to hear your story if you are up to it.
1 scallywagmcbuttnuggt 2015-09-28
It's a very long story. I don't know if explaining it will make me more crazy or not. I can post a detailed post later but I'm at work right now.
1 2ndlinesteps 2015-09-28
You should read the MK Ultra primer I posted in my original post. Does any of that ring true to you? If so, have you considered seeing a hypo therapist to discover the truth?
1 Geralt23 2015-09-28
What kind of drugs? Can you elaborate your story, I'm intrigued.
1 scallywagmcbuttnuggt 2015-09-28
Lsd, and then mdma. The short version is I thought I was being programmed to be gay, which is odd because I've never felt that way before.
This spiraled into a further paranoia and ultimately I was up for 4 days straight. I still can barely seem to sleep and it's 3 weeks later. I just want to be normal again but it's freaking me out.
1 TORNasunder2 2015-09-28
We are ALL being programmed. Drugs just make the programming more effective, in some cases much more effective. TV, Radio, Internet, School. All used constantly to 'program' the populace. You are not somehow 'immune' because you understand this fact. There are many methods of mind control just as there are many layers of consciousness.
Thanks 2ndlinesteps and PortOfDenver for some excellent info.
1 scallywagmcbuttnuggt 2015-09-28
Yeah, the short end of the story is I tried to resist the programming last time I took a psychedelic drug at a large rock concert. Now I have extreme insomnia and moments where I feel schizophrenic/psychotic.
I'm praying that I come back to normal again but I don't know if that'll happen. Just trying to avoid suicide at this point.
1 TORNasunder2 2015-09-28
Hang in there brother. Please talk to someone if suicidal thoughts are bothering you. I mean like a friend, family. And remember that thought is not from you, so you must reject it. I would also encourage you to clean up your diet. We are what we eat, we are what we consume.
1 scallywagmcbuttnuggt 2015-09-28
Yeah I have been. More than anything it's just drug abuse which fucked up my brain. Fucked it up so bad
3 greggerypeccary 2015-09-28
If anyone is able I urge you to donate to Dave's site, he is trying to organize one last trip to Hawaii with his daughters :(
3 davidtoni 2015-09-28
OP, if you're really committed to the rabbit hole I'd have to suggest that your study "The Montauk Project" and the programming done on young kidnapped boys there.
The Columbine shooters were Montauk boys.
3 hazehk 2015-09-28
To me this is by far the weirdest case of political assassination yet, the whole MK Ultra/Manchurian candidate undertone is unsettling beyond anything else. I don't want it to be true, but something tells me that the world is a much darker place than I'd like it to be.
1 JamesColesPardon 2015-09-28
Could be a solid [Discussion] post to /r/C_S_T if you were so inclined...
1 obamazombiez 2015-09-28
Okay OP, you're closer to the truth than you know. The elite do indeed dwell in the occult. Specifically, the Illuminati are all Luciferians, they worship, get their power and knowledge from Lucifer himself, and this differs from Satanism.
This has been going on for decades now and you should be careful how far you dig. A good portion of it goes beyond the physical realms. The spirits the occult world is sending towards their victims have much influence in the matter. Child sacrifices, cannibalism, death in general pleases the "enemy" like nothing else, so he uses his power to aid the elite with their plans, for they are aligned with his will as well.
MK Ultra is the physical aspect of total people/mind control, while the occult deals with the spiritual. With the two of them together, the power is immense.