Talking to my sister about being indoctrinated by the government through the school systems, she says "Well I went to public school my whole life and I'm not indoctrinated". Total facepalm. She voted for Obama twice.

You're supposed to talk about football and beer. There's the old adage about pearls before swine to consider here.

I know how you feel, it gets frustrating when nobody seems to be interested. I try to talk to members of my family about the cover-ups going on & all they seem to be interested in, is a group of men kicking a bag of wind round a field.

People don't like admitting they where dupped, I believe the behavior is called cognitive dissonance.

Coming to terms with this phenomenon has been a large part of my life this past couple of years. It's alienating when you can't really discuss the world you perceive with those around you.

I've posted this before, but I like it.

Friedrich Nietzsche in “Beyond Good and Evil” holds that only a few people have the fortitude to look in times of distress into what he calls the molten pit of human reality. Most studiously ignore the pit. Artists and philosophers, for Nietzsche, are consumed, however, by an insatiable curiosity, a quest for truth and desire for meaning. They venture down into the bowels of the molten pit. They get as close as they can before the flames and heat drive them back. This intellectual and moral honesty, Nietzsche wrote, comes with a cost. Those singed by the fire of reality become “burnt children,” he wrote, eternal orphans in empires of illusion.

Sounds like you need to read up on a little topic called cognitive dissonance.

It's a doozy and you'll deal with it all your life if your keen to your surroundings.

For all sad young people reading this thread: the only things my girlfriend and I have ever watched together are conspiracy docs. We have hit basically everything and casually discuss all conspiracies from cosmic to political.

JUST SAYING. I see a lot of pessimism in here, there are awakened people out there you can live your life with, and they're worth looking for.

This has always happened to me, I guess I have kinda given up talking. I think you guys need to meet some different women, we're not ALL obsessed with ourselves! I've been into conspiracies etc since I was about 10. And a Space Science student. With many interests which incidentally does not involve mobile phones or facebook. Wholefools, you been burned recently? Cos what you wrote in your comment was extremely judgemental, and not really what I am used to or expect to find on these boards.

What's interesting to me is the reason why you take it as a personal insult. If you know yourself to be NOT like other women, then you clearly don't fit into the group OP is talking about. Unless OP's quote here...

This is because women are using you to orient their ego - how they know themselves

... applies to you? I'd think you'd disagree. But maybe I'm wrong, especially since you immediately resort to shaming language.

My girlfriend talks with me about most surface stuff, like undeniable crimes committed by the gov, or how all of cable and media is completely manipulated to an eerie extent here in 2015. I'm slowly connecting the dots as they naturally approach me, something like seizing the moment.. But I wouldn't give myself that much credit.

As long as I don't venture too far off, she'll stay interested. A step in the right direction, but I have seen what you are talking about. I have seen it everywhere, the public is just too far gone. If they even had a little intrigue for any of these topics, they would quickly be swallowed up by the super massive vortex we call American society.

I'm not quite sure how to explain the feeling I get when I step back and let that sink in for a moment.

my girlfriend and I watch conspiracy docs 24/7, while my male roommates play pokemon (we're ~25).

just saying, I haven't noticed a gender discrepancy, it's really everyone.

As a female, I find it hard to find guys (or girls for that matter) interested in "going down the rabbit hole" with me.

Even with the world pond? Most everyone draws the line there.

It's refreshing to hear the concern in your tone. I'm the same way with the people/family in my circles. When I try to bring up politics or the economy everybody acts like they could not care less about what is going on. Yes, I understand that these topics are often not interesting, but if someone were to tell you that a group of wealthy individuals was manipulating your entire life while at the same time bombarding you with messages about how free you are to live your own life, you should care. "I don't care because it doesn't affect me," is one of the worst lines out there. Everything affects everything. Just like when they ignore the real political and economic issues...it has the effect of allowing corrupt politicians to take office and to either keep it going for themselves or to make it worse for the rest of us. So let's see how it affects you when the dollar fails and all of your hard-earned money that you've put so much faith into obtaining is just a piece of data on some unplugged server somewhere. They will be the ones looking to the American news for answers for why the dollar is now useless. They still won't get it.

Maybe it could be that people don't want to hear any socially awkward near autistic rambling. You can be telling someone the truth, I'm not disputing that, but there's plenty of people I've known who just hijack a conversation and just totally fuck everybody's ear holes with conspiracy ranting. It's like trying to have a conversation about how much I might like the dark Knight rises, and some asshat just starts ranting about the Aurora shooting/mkultra/conspiracy shit. It's like dude I just like the film

I get what you're saying

Here's the thing bud, they can't talk about things that aren't within the safe sphere of some socially-centric "normal". They have been trained since age 5 to know that going outside the boundary of "social normal" will result in immediate social ostracism, so they're being nice to you by listening to you while you think for yourself about serious issues -- but they (especially women) are typically not interested in any of that at all. It scares them and makes them feel uncomfortable -- they think omg someone isn't scared to think outside the box omg why isn't he scared to think or reason beyond the set perimeters like I am, then they get scared and don't want to join you.

Women are all about people (and about themselves), not big issues, unless those issues effect them on a personal level - so never try to get a woman to be an intellectual or interested in anything greater, because 99% of the time, they're not going to be. It annoys and scares them. People talking about unpredictable "weird stuff" or "hard stuff" -- it doesn't give them a chance to make themselves feel smart, because they don't know anything about it, so like you said - your friend said something faux-smart or phony-smart (a glib dismissive joke) and then logged off, even though she was really still on her phone.

This is because women are using you to orient their ego - how they know themselves - and if you are talking about "hard things" or "big things", they can't do anything about it or don't know anything about it, so they don't want to talk about "that stuff". You can always force the conversation but they'll just shut down, like you said. This curiosity you have? Other people have that bred out of them from age 5-18 in their social conditioning called "school" where children are turned into good worker/consumer drones.. so they will have the money for all these cool gadgets for communications like phones, but they won't want to use them in any way that might upset the establishment, like thinking outside the box for themselves.

They become totally centered on themselves and their own ego, and all they are interested in is making themselves feel smart or valuable (especially nurses) - so if you don't give them a chance to do that in their conversation with you - they aren't interested.

As for other men most of them are also within the prison without bars where they don't want to use their own minds to think their own thoughts - and it's almost a faux-pas to even consider - and their ego kicks in and realizes it can't use whatever subject you are talking about to make itself feel smart - unless it's about some subject that they've been trained in by an authority (like their job or profession, or sports).

What's "scary" in this comment is this sense of divide and maybe even elitism regarding gender. I am a woman. I am also more interested in and aware of the world's issues and mysteries than anyone else I know, including my husband. He is certainly receptive to most of the info/ideas I present to him, but he has never shown interest in researching any of the topics for himself or taking them past the one discussion. Also, of the friends I do have that like to discuss subjects that are out-of-the-norm, most of them are women. I think it's dangerous to make assumptions like this about the opposite sex. I don't think it has anything to do with one's gender, but rather a whole list of factors that need to be taken into account.

It's not dangerous thinking if it's representative of the whole. Take note - you are an exception, not the norm.

Bingo. We are all experiments.

also you have to remember, some people like to live their lives by pretending they have everything under control and understood -- and nothing is beyond their grasp mentally -- and nothing is beyond their control -- and everything that is, is "just stupid, god, shut up about that already" (because they might not be able to control or intelligently participate in a conversation about aliens, or whatever you are talking about, water on mars, etc. -- but they certainly can control you and their interaction with you, so that's what they do and what they focus on).

Other people are invigorated by new information and new understand about the world. I'm sure there are girls out there who are like this, but even people, man and woman, who are like this - seem to be few and far between. You have to find the type of person who doesn't base their personal comfort and ego on the idea that they've already got most things figured out and locked down and their life is simply consisting of day by day simple challenges and shit that they can handle.

I've known one in my whole life and she was different than other girls in some ways, but then again, lol, she may have just wanted to be with me so she was humoring me and acting excited to know about it. I think she was genuinely interested. So I think it's possible - there are definitely girls out there who defy the norms - but that's why I said 99% of them.

99% of them just don't think the way we do. Not at all. Scary or big issues or something out of the norm of 'preferable to them personally' is not something that most of them want to think about.

One of the only friends in my life who I can discuss this sort of thing with is a woman. She is a lesbian though (and in case it matters, we're both in the 25-30 age range)...

Don't fret, my friend.

You are part of the solution, be that solution.

There are! Small in number, great in wisdom; we know that we are being lied to. We see the writing on the wall. We see this world for what it is; an illusion. Our illusion.

You need to listen to the no agenda podcast if you haven't heard of it before. It is for people like the fine folks found in this sub, minus the shills. Fuck off shills.

Yes, I've noticed this.

Example: If the government gets shutdown, ~15% of the population will be in danger of starving; the USDA will not have the monies to finance food stamps.

When I talk to people about this they can't comprehend the issue. They literally cannot understand it.

Not everyone is interested in Mars or space. The same way not everyone likes sports or computing or train spotting.

Lack of interest does not mean they are brainwashed.

Yea different people have different intellectual capacities. Sucks If you are smarter than average. Putting up with the dumb ones will literally be your life.