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It's because everything they know about PP they learn from right wing blogs and fear-porn conspiracy sites.

Likely not true - the amount of bullshit and propaganda being spewed out like uterine tissue from a morcellator from both "sides" in this "debate" is absolutely fucking pathetic.

Bullshit. Watch the fucking videos. You're actually just repeating everything you saw on left wing blogs. Idiots.

I initially wasn't following this story much, but when I saw people posting "This is debunked," I was like, OH THANK GAWD, let me read the debunking and so I go read what they tell me to read and it's all...just semantics..."It's not baby parts, it's fetal tissue!" Uh...guys and gals...

The thing that bothers me is that what they are doing is 100% legal. And it will continue to be legal and prevalent after defunding. Should it be legal? We should have a discussion, as a nation, about this. But we're not, instead we're all flinging poo re:funding and no one's doing anything to debate whether this thing that offends our sensibilities should be legal and if it shouldn't, how do we stop it and if it should be legal, how do we ensure that it's done in a way to ensure that women aren't pressured into donation (and I honestly believe, as a woman, that the father should have to consent to the donation as well; that brings up some logistical issues, but when you get to complications like the fact that a girl's eggs are mature very early in fetal development and the parents have no say as to how their "donation" is used...it's not outside the realm of possibility that down the road, you could be a grandmother or grandfather and never know it, crazy stuff).

No. They violated many different laws throughout the video, including advising a patient not to say she was terminating because of the sex of the baby (illegal). They broke a lot of laws.

And this downvoting of the truth in this sub is really disappointing lately. How did this leftist reality inversion get in here?

Fact > Feeling you morons #FeelTheBern

Unbelievable.

What I am telling you is that neither the Left nor the Right is trying to stop the damned process. They just want you to fight, while they both pocket campaign donations from the companies PP gives the babies to.

Call people morons on the Internet all you want if it makes you feel better, but you both sides are throwing shit at each other, refusing to see the issue or do anything, absolutely ANYTHING to stop or regulate the practice of fetus trafficking. It's disgusting.

(Also, I upvoted your above comment re: the videos, but I guess that was a mistake since you also don't appear to care to stop the baby trafficking and coersion, just riling up political shit-fights that ultimately achieve nothing...)

I think defunding PP is a great start. And yeah, they want people to fight. And it works because people spout dumb, ignorant shit they don't seem to know anything about but act like they do.

Meanwhile, the left loves slicing up babies for parts and somehow the people pointing out the practice are evil woman haters.

I am a woman, I am pointing out the practice, how am I a woman hater?

I am telling you Republicans and Democrats are pro-tissue donation. Defunding PP won't stop the baby trafficking, it will likely accelerate it. I don't hear ANY politician, left or right, talking about adding more regulation or banning the trafficking of aborted fetuses. And no one will confront them on this, they just fight amongst themselves over stupid shit.

Live in denial if you want, but this shit won't change until we do.

Defunding PP won't stop the baby trafficking, it will likely accelerate it.

Citation needed.

At least taxpayer money can then be allocated to something else, or heeeey! What if they cut our taxes?

Yes the tissue thing will go on. There is medical and scientific benefit to having access to that but I trust a private company more than a socialist quasi-governmental bureaucracy (PP) more.

It's the ethics of it all.

When funding is cut, Planned Parenthood will still perform abortions (government funding doesn't go to abortions, patients pay for them using a sliding scale) and they'll still hand the fetuses over to the third party "brokers."

These third party companies have lavish parties where they brag about what it is they're doing. I can't believe you would trust (and SUPPORT! What the ever-loving fuck?) these chop-shops.

So I guess it's true, you yourself don't care about the baby trafficking at all and are happy to allow it to continue unabated and unregulated.

"The ethics of it all" - What ethics when you're perfectly happy to advocate allowing the practice to continue and even accelerate?

Disgraceful.

Shill? Troll? I mean, what? I'm not even sure what we're arguing about and you make ZERO sense.

I've never advocated for chop shopping babies. You're an absolute maniac.

Yes the tissue thing will go on. There is medical and scientific benefit to having access to that but I trust a private company more than a socialist quasi-governmental bureaucracy (PP) more.

These companies you're supporting are making 24k on a fetal liver. Call me a maniac if you want, I'm just trying to tell you that the companies you want to support are the ones you should be going after, to do otherwise is being a political puppet.

You're dumb.

Abortion is legal and there is medical benefit to utilizing them. We should oppose the liars at PP who say they are doing everything legally and that they aren't profiting from this. That's the issue. You're in la la land.

Wow, did you just go full-circle on this and all you can do to justify it is call me dumb, a shill, a troll, and a maniac while standing staunchly behind StemExpress?

Entertaining, yes, but it makes me very sad.

Stem cell research is a great idea. You're dumb.

Profiting off the sale of fetal tissue is illegal. It's not legal if a corporation you like is doing it.

It is illegal, point-blank.

If you love stem cell donation so much, why are you against PP, who provides the cells to the chop-shop companies you love so much? After all, they'll continue to provide those aborted fetuses, even after the government defunds them so that your dear chop shops can keep on profiting illegally from the trafficking of tissue from women in hard times.

My issue is taxes and government. Defund PP because I don't want my money going to that as well as a kajillion other things government does. You're being a troll. Seriously.

Yeah, I'm not the one calling people names when they disagree with me, but whatever.

I wish you would understand that "not wanting my money going to Planned Parenthood, but I'm totally fine with shady companies illegally making mad insane money selling baby livers harvested from at-risk women who visit Planned Parenthood to drug companies" is a total cop-out.

I don't think that's me being a troll, but you're happy to believe it if it makes you feel better about your weird self-justification here. Good luck.

People like you should not be allowed to vote or reproduce.

Have you always been a eugenicist or is it a new hobby for you?

People like you should not be allowed to vote or reproduce.

Wow.

This is the sort of totalitarian thinking we should all oppose. First of all, how is it more moral to force a society to pay for a specific gender's medical needs while saying women live in an oppressive patriarchy?

Why do people who point the guns of government at their fellow citizens considered the moral authority?

You're a disgraceful, awful, statist who does not understand anything.

Rule 10. No personal attacks. Removed.

What's wrong with sex?

I'm not having it so when other people have it it makes me feel bad

After checking your post history it looks like you're a big conspiracy guy. Also appears that you're against big business and any organized form of government. Congrats!

Please continue to enjoy your internet provided by a major ISP. Every time you post an uninformed, uneducated comment on reddit, you continue to support the "evil" organizations you preach against in all your comments. Everytime you pay your elecricity bill that powers your compuer, router, and modem you are paying into this same "evil" system. I'll ask you to do the same thing you asked me to do....THINK FREELY. If you truly hold your beliefs true then I urge you to break away from society and live truly free.

p.s. Please don't vote or reproduce

I'm not sure why you feel the need to insult people in basic conversation. Surely you could get your points across without being an asshole about it? It undermines the information you're trying to convey and degrades the conversation.

I think you're overreacting. Even if you believe abortion as birth control is immoral (which I do). Planned Parenthood prevents abortion by preventing pregnancy. They give people access to contraception and STD testing.

Unwanted children are a huge source of society's problems. Before we ever outlaw abortion we need to have social structures in place that can raise an orphan to be a productive member of society. Or provide mothers with enough resources to adequately raise their child (spend time with them).

We don't live in such a society. Tackling the roots of economic injustice will go much farther toward preventing abortion than ending Planned Parenthood, and without all the negative repercussions.

PP also provides information on how to prevent unwanted pregnancies.

What you are referring to is called a "welfare state", and it creates massive dependence upon government economy to provide for individuals. Girls and women who don't want to / don't feel like working have the option of getting pregnant, and using that pregnancy as a way to not have to contribute anything to the community and society. More babies = more money.

We need Planned Parenthood, desperately, if for no other reason than to prevent people from intentionally gaming the system and being a financial drain on the rest of us. I just wish more people would take advantage of it. I'll give you an example.

• Rachel is a young girl who made a mistake and can neither afford to take care of a child nor does she have the time to do so, given that she is currently working through law school. She does the responsible thing and has an abortion, finishes school, gets a well-paying job, gets married, and goes on to have an average of 2.5 children.

• Shaniqua is a young, irresponsible woman of twenty and is currently pregnant with her fourth offspring. She knows the government will pay for blindly hand her money for her offspring, so she has been popping them out since she was seventeen and collecting welfare and child support. She does not support herself, she is a drain on society and plans to continue to be so for as long as she can manage.

There are no checks and balances on the system. The current system, as it stands, only encourages irresponsibility and unchecked reproduction outside a woman's means. I say 'a woman's means' because men are thrown under the bus given the current state of affairs in child custody and child support. Either way you go, however, it is a massive drain on the economy that we can live without.

Personally, I want to see some reforms. Tax breaks and assistance (free or subsidized higher education, anyone?) for people who have between 0 and 2 children, no breaks or penalties on those who produce more than 3.

Kudos, I had gone a few hours without seeing obnoxious racist propaganda on the Internet. Thanks for breaking the day's cherry!

I don't understand how your examples relate to:

, if for no other reason than to prevent people from intentionally gaming the system and being a financial drain on the rest of us.

If it was planned to have a child than why to to a place called 'planned parenthood' to get an abortion?

My issue with Planned Parenthood right now:

• They're not being straight with us on the "tissue donation" and consent involved in the donation process, nor their "transportation costs."

• Their President (half a million in salary, by the way) lied about providing mammograms - they do referrals, not mammograms. For what reason? It's just stupid. Not only that, but they're allowing people to keep repeating this stuff that's not true, which completely undermines their credibility.

However, Planned Parenthood does provide health services to men and women - STD testing (for men and women), birth control, pregnancy care, abortions (let's not lie - abortions are just as much demanded by men as by women; women don't abort in a vacuum, it's often a joint decision or a decision made to protect a man). I think most of these services you could get at your local health clinic, but not the abortions (which is why this is like 86% of PP's income).

Now, PP claims they're only making transportation costs on the "tissue donation" and not receiving kickbacks. So we give them the benefit of the doubt and we suppose that is true, there's still big business and big money going to companies like StemExpress who traffick in fetal cells for researchers and biotech companies.

So - the Democrats claim to see no issue with "tissue donation." However, the Republicans are disgusted by fetal cell trafficking (don't believe them, many of them voted to make what PP is doing legal!) - they are so disgusted that they're going to defund PP such that PP is tempted to do more "donation" to recoup funds.

Pay attention to that: No one is doing a damned thing to stop the practice and it will just accelerate after defunding. No one cares about women's or poor people's health, it's all politics and cold, hard cash and we're once again just the squabbling armies, fighting battles for these assholes, barefoot and ration-less.

There's another conversation to be had that is actually related the the conspiracy of eugenics behind this stuff, but that's probably for another time.

Also, as I'm finding as I've made this point a few times in the last few days - mention the fact that no one is doing shit about these third party companies massively profiting off fetal trafficking (which is actually illegal--you can sell, but not profit) and you will be attacked by both the Right and the Left.

It's fascinating, really...what a corrupt culture we are.

It's because this has become some left vs. right issue, and we're all dancing like fucking puppets while politicians empty our pockets.

Shill? Troll? I mean, what? I'm not even sure what we're arguing about and you make ZERO sense.

I've never advocated for chop shopping babies. You're an absolute maniac.

Stem cell research is a great idea. You're dumb.