Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite.
~ John Kenneth Galbraith
In the 1980s capitalism triumphed over communism. In the 1990s it triumphed over democracy.
~ David Korten
Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone. ~ John Maynard Keynes
Na. I wouldn't say a waste of my time. Com Truise. Kind of cool. And I have to admit - the visuals on the second video do indeed seem to go with the soundtrack...weird as that seems.
Clearly, Lenin was wrong, as it was Communism, not Capitalism, that decayed. "Fascism" was merely a reaction to the mass murders and police states set up by Lenin and his cohorts.
Anytime you read someone using the term "fascist" to mean "bad" you're dealing with someone still in thrall to Communist propaganda from 100 years ago. It's rather pathetic.
...Wow. This comment...There's literally so much stupid packed in so few words that I don't know whether to pity you or be impressed by the dearth of understanding you have regarding what's going on here.
I don't pity you, as you are an ideological fanatic and an apologist for genocide, you deserve the stupid.
It's just hilarious that we have people quoting Lenin approvingly. What next, you going to entertain us with the wisdom of Pol Pot? Maybe Chairman Mao?
Keep displaying the vast ignorance in your thinking. It's apparent you're imagining that you're sounding smart and witty right now when what you're doing is making an ass out of yourself with every word you type. (lol smh. so sad)
Go ahead and have the last word, little one. I understand your type need it.
Folks, notice how it resorts to this silly name-calling and ad-hom: "vast ignorance in your thinking, making an ass out of yourself, so sad, little one."
Remember, we're dealing with someone who is quoting Lenin ... freaking Lenin ... approvingly, and seems to believe "fascism" means "bad things" - and doesn't even understand the actual relationship between capitalism and fascism.
Any one want to bet it couldn't even begin to describe the historical circumstances of Mussolini's Italy or Franco's Spain?
It's ok to laugh now, since Communism is completely discredited and these looney-tunes aren't taken seriously outside of their Marxist student groups, but god help us if these nuts ever got power again. Remember what happened last time - hundreds of millions dead, gulaged, and oppressed.
Have no doubt they would be rounding people up for "ungoodthink" if they ever had the chance.
No. It's just a pity how people don't have a clue what "fascism" really was. The USA and GB are nothing even close to "fascist" - they are internationalist, not nationalist, they are oligarchical, not populist, and they are imperialist, not inward-looking.
Internationalism and nationalism are not an oxymoron.
If Trump isn't a populist I have never seen a populist candidate.
Who says fascists are not imperialists, seems to me that Nazis had a pretty well defined wish for an empire.
The only official definition of Fascism comes from Benito Mussolini, the founder of fascism, in which he outlines three principles of a fascist philosophy: 2. "'Nothing outside the state'. The country must grow and the implied goal of any fascist nation is to rule the world, and have every human submit to the government":
For some reason me thinks you are not viewing this reasonably.
Internationalism and nationalism are not an oxymoron.
One more time, in English please.
If Trump isn't a populist I have never seen a populist candidate.
Eh, I think it's fair to call Trump a "populist" - calling Trump a "fascist" would be stupid, though.
Who says fascists are not imperialists, seems to me that Nazis had a pretty well defined wish for an empire.
Most fascist movements were nationalist, not imperialist. Communism was, of course, the definition of imperialist. Remember, Stalin was considered a "traitor to Communism" for his idea of "socialism in one country" instead of a "world wide Communist revolution."
For some reason me thinks you are not viewing this reasonably.
I don't think you know very much about fascism, clearly.
Who says fascists are not imperialists, seems to me that Nazis had a pretty well defined wish for an empire.
The only official definition of Fascism comes from Benito Mussolini, the founder of fascism, in which he outlines three principles of a fascist philosophy: 2. "'Nothing outside the state'. The country must grow and the implied goal of any fascist nation is to rule the world, and have every human submit to the government":
Do you have a source for that Mussolini quote? The "nothing outside the state" sounds right, but "the implied goal of any fascist nation is to rule the world" is something I don't remember reading.
only has this part of the quote: "Nothing outside the state".
It then "interprets" that to mean "The country must grow and the implied goal of any fascist nation is to rule the world, and have every human submit to the government." - which doesn't appear to be something that Mussolini actually said.
So, can you clarify if that is an actual quote from Mussolini, or if that is just someone "interpreting" it?
Because "Nothing outside the state" does NOT imply "The country must grow and the implied goal of any fascist nation is to rule the world, and have every human submit to the government."
EDIT: In fact, it doesn't appear that Mussolini said that, at all.
Can you link to an actual quote of Mussolini writing/saying that? A google search on the quote leads to a bunch of sites without an actual quote.
Interesting, then, that Italy and Spain - the two major examples of fascism (Hitler was his own special brand of something) were about the least imperialist of the Great Powers.
Certainly, the USA and the USSR were far more imperialist than either Germany or Italy and far more than Spain.
I completely agree... It is like users comparing colonial and neocolonial conditions, calling them the same. It is disingenuous, and takes the true brutality away from 'colonialism'. Essentially, this deceitful form of comparison erases history, making abhorrent historical conditions seem equal to that of current conditions. Further, this dishonest tool of contrast is often used to incite aggressive reactions against societal norms, and the human's that represent them.
That kind of dishonest movement toward change is more dangerous than our current power structure. The revolution must be honest and peaceful. The truth stands as a minority.
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11 dreamslaughter 2015-10-17
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. ~ John Kenneth Galbraith
In the 1980s capitalism triumphed over communism. In the 1990s it triumphed over democracy. ~ David Korten
Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone. ~ John Maynard Keynes
2 no1113 2015-10-17
All very relevant quotes. That Korten quote tho. Def serious.
1 911bodysnatchers322 2015-10-17
This is the sountrack to fascism in decay.
watch paired with this video with sound off
and I ... have just wasted your time.
2 no1113 2015-10-17
Na. I wouldn't say a waste of my time. Com Truise. Kind of cool. And I have to admit - the visuals on the second video do indeed seem to go with the soundtrack...weird as that seems.
-8 jacks1000 2015-10-17
Clearly, Lenin was wrong, as it was Communism, not Capitalism, that decayed. "Fascism" was merely a reaction to the mass murders and police states set up by Lenin and his cohorts.
Anytime you read someone using the term "fascist" to mean "bad" you're dealing with someone still in thrall to Communist propaganda from 100 years ago. It's rather pathetic.
7 no1113 2015-10-17
Hmmm. Let's see who I'll go with regarding who's word I'll take here: Lenin, or some random internet neckbeard.
I'll take Lenin for 100, Pat.
-7 jacks1000 2015-10-17
Well, sure, you're a Communist.
That's like believing Hitler's characterization of Jews.
7 no1113 2015-10-17
...Wow. This comment...There's literally so much stupid packed in so few words that I don't know whether to pity you or be impressed by the dearth of understanding you have regarding what's going on here.
-8 jacks1000 2015-10-17
I don't pity you, as you are an ideological fanatic and an apologist for genocide, you deserve the stupid.
It's just hilarious that we have people quoting Lenin approvingly. What next, you going to entertain us with the wisdom of Pol Pot? Maybe Chairman Mao?
6 no1113 2015-10-17
Okay. You're...
yeah...I'm just gonna back away slowly from this...thanks.
-7 jacks1000 2015-10-17
Try not to murder anyone while you slowly back away - you Communists have a pretty dismal track record when it comes to mass murder.
8 no1113 2015-10-17
Keep displaying the vast ignorance in your thinking. It's apparent you're imagining that you're sounding smart and witty right now when what you're doing is making an ass out of yourself with every word you type. (lol smh. so sad)
Go ahead and have the last word, little one. I understand your type need it.
Take it away. Stage is all yours.
-6 jacks1000 2015-10-17
Folks, notice how it resorts to this silly name-calling and ad-hom: "vast ignorance in your thinking, making an ass out of yourself, so sad, little one."
Remember, we're dealing with someone who is quoting Lenin ... freaking Lenin ... approvingly, and seems to believe "fascism" means "bad things" - and doesn't even understand the actual relationship between capitalism and fascism.
Any one want to bet it couldn't even begin to describe the historical circumstances of Mussolini's Italy or Franco's Spain?
It's ok to laugh now, since Communism is completely discredited and these looney-tunes aren't taken seriously outside of their Marxist student groups, but god help us if these nuts ever got power again. Remember what happened last time - hundreds of millions dead, gulaged, and oppressed.
Have no doubt they would be rounding people up for "ungoodthink" if they ever had the chance.
2 dreamslaughter 2015-10-17
Seems to me that China & Russia have turned capitalist; and the USA and Britain have turned Fascist. Right?
-7 jacks1000 2015-10-17
No. It's just a pity how people don't have a clue what "fascism" really was. The USA and GB are nothing even close to "fascist" - they are internationalist, not nationalist, they are oligarchical, not populist, and they are imperialist, not inward-looking.
So, no, nothing even close to fascist.
2 dreamslaughter 2015-10-17
What?
Internationalism and nationalism are not an oxymoron.
If Trump isn't a populist I have never seen a populist candidate.
Who says fascists are not imperialists, seems to me that Nazis had a pretty well defined wish for an empire.
The only official definition of Fascism comes from Benito Mussolini, the founder of fascism, in which he outlines three principles of a fascist philosophy: 2. "'Nothing outside the state'. The country must grow and the implied goal of any fascist nation is to rule the world, and have every human submit to the government":
For some reason me thinks you are not viewing this reasonably.
-3 jacks1000 2015-10-17
One more time, in English please.
Eh, I think it's fair to call Trump a "populist" - calling Trump a "fascist" would be stupid, though.
Most fascist movements were nationalist, not imperialist. Communism was, of course, the definition of imperialist. Remember, Stalin was considered a "traitor to Communism" for his idea of "socialism in one country" instead of a "world wide Communist revolution."
I don't think you know very much about fascism, clearly.
2 dreamslaughter 2015-10-17
Who says fascists are not imperialists, seems to me that Nazis had a pretty well defined wish for an empire.
The only official definition of Fascism comes from Benito Mussolini, the founder of fascism, in which he outlines three principles of a fascist philosophy: 2. "'Nothing outside the state'. The country must grow and the implied goal of any fascist nation is to rule the world, and have every human submit to the government":
-3 jacks1000 2015-10-17
Do you have a source for that Mussolini quote? The "nothing outside the state" sounds right, but "the implied goal of any fascist nation is to rule the world" is something I don't remember reading.
1 dreamslaughter 2015-10-17
https://www.google.com/search?num=100&site=&source=hp&q=Nothing+outside+the+state%22.+The+country+must+grow+and+the+implied+goal+of+any+fascist+nation+is+to+rule+the+world%2C+and+have+every+human+submit+to+the+government.+&oq=Nothing+outside+the+state%22.+The+country+must+grow+and+the+implied+goal+of+any+fascist+nation+is+to+rule+the+world%2C+and+have+every+human+submit+to+the+government.+&gs_l=hp.3...1640.1640.0.2159.2.2.0.0.0.0.125.125.0j1.1.0....0...1c.1.64.hp..2.0.0.0.qPQF3gIL6qw
-2 jacks1000 2015-10-17
For instance, one of the links:
http://openstudy.com/updates/5240accae4b090015417e29a
only has this part of the quote: "Nothing outside the state".
It then "interprets" that to mean "The country must grow and the implied goal of any fascist nation is to rule the world, and have every human submit to the government." - which doesn't appear to be something that Mussolini actually said.
So, can you clarify if that is an actual quote from Mussolini, or if that is just someone "interpreting" it?
Because "Nothing outside the state" does NOT imply "The country must grow and the implied goal of any fascist nation is to rule the world, and have every human submit to the government."
EDIT: In fact, it doesn't appear that Mussolini said that, at all.
-3 jacks1000 2015-10-17
Can you link to an actual quote of Mussolini writing/saying that? A google search on the quote leads to a bunch of sites without an actual quote.
Interesting, then, that Italy and Spain - the two major examples of fascism (Hitler was his own special brand of something) were about the least imperialist of the Great Powers.
Certainly, the USA and the USSR were far more imperialist than either Germany or Italy and far more than Spain.
1 brizzadizza 2015-10-17
Fascists won in this thread!
-9 [deleted] 2015-10-17
Following this thread's logic, I suppose everything is Fascism veiled in allegory.
Clearly, my sandwich is an emblem of fascist hegemony!
6 no1113 2015-10-17
If you don't understand the extent to which the heading is very much valid, then you are more lost than I thought.
-5 jacks1000 2015-10-17
If you can't understand what "fascism" actually was, and why Communists were against it, you are just as lost as I suspect you are.
0 [deleted] 2015-10-17
I completely agree... It is like users comparing colonial and neocolonial conditions, calling them the same. It is disingenuous, and takes the true brutality away from 'colonialism'. Essentially, this deceitful form of comparison erases history, making abhorrent historical conditions seem equal to that of current conditions. Further, this dishonest tool of contrast is often used to incite aggressive reactions against societal norms, and the human's that represent them.
That kind of dishonest movement toward change is more dangerous than our current power structure. The revolution must be honest and peaceful. The truth stands as a minority.