DIA director Michael Flynn Admitting That Obama Admin Knowingly Armed ISIS

See 8:00 to 13:00. He clearly says the US knew about the rise of ISIS, armed them anyway, and did it deliberately to oust Assad.

"ISIS got started through funding from our friends and allies"- General Wesley Clark

The general kept saying "some believe in continuing war as a strategy" who was he speaking of? He also stated that he argued against arming "rebels" but the administration had its own policies.who is running this war and for what reason?

The Usual Suspects.

If you want a list, look up those who made gains off the latest tragedy in France with their positions before the attack.

A lot of insider trading went down right before the attack.

Source?

Just a hunch taking a look at volatility figures on the 11th and 12th in defense stock. Raw data, haven't seen anyone making the claim yet. A Lot of companies saw their daily volatility double to quadruple over yearly averages. Something just doesn't sit right about that with me.

If you want a good example of the volatility I'm talking about.. 8x the daily volatility on a yearly average two days before the attack.

https://www.google.ca/finance?q=NASDAQ%3AESLT&ei=oFtMVvCTCZbCjAHkv6LgCQ

I seem to recall the working title of that movie was

Project For A New American Century

I especially like the part where Uncle Sam gets in the limo, never to be seen again. While America goes apeshit realizing it was made to be the biggest mark in human history. When you think about who ISIS Soze really is, what a prophetic film.

You should watch it again.

I wouldn't be too surprised if the US was using ISIS as a way to force the Russians into committing a ground campaign in the area. Especially after the recent attack on the commercial plane and how the West reacted vs. how Russia reacted.

Creating ISIS could serve a couple functions. Forcing Russia into a military campaign by actually threatening to defeat the Assad regime which gives the US an out for their troops by letting Russia take over the military operations. Also, if Russia gets sucked into a prolonged military campaign there is the possibility of them bleeding money trying to support it.

Of course, this is all speculation, but it's an interesting idea to think about.

Russia needs Assad because they've had to route goods around Europe since their meddling in the Ukraine, they have to ship across the black sea and then via truck through the balkans to the medeterrainean, ISIS overthrowing Assad was a direct threat to their logistical interests, they had to get involved because they can't afford not to. But with oil prices being half of what Russia needs them to be, they can't afford to be there, either. They have to destabilize oil production in the middle east if they hope to afford a long term engagement, so far they've passed up their opportunities to do so.

https://public.isishq.com/public/SitePages/Home.aspx

I thoroughly enjoyed posting this to /r/news three weeks ago.

https://np.reddit.com/r/news/comments/3ntahg/us_officials_are_asking_how_isis_obtained_so_many/cvr3fu7

That was a nice compilation of evidence. Great work.

I was surprised to see that it was received as well as it was by /r/news.

I was very pleasantly surprised.

The title was brilliant. That's why.

Great post! Honestly was decently received too. It's kind of hard to argue against that much evidence without resorting to red herring or strawman

Edit -- I think this whole ISIS coop is to push for WW3 ( US vs Russia ect) , which is ultimately to achieve a unified global currency and government ect imo

Nice

That is not a legitimate quote, nor does the article you reference provide a worthy source.

The actual quote from this Guardian article:

Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians. Inexplicably, and with disastrous consequences, it never appears to have occurred to Washington that once Russia was out of the way, Bin Laden's organisation would turn its attention to the west. The danger now is that the west's current response to the terrorist threat compounds that original error. So long as the struggle against terrorism is conceived as a war that can be won by military means, it is doomed to fail. The more the west emphasises confrontation, the more it silences moderate voices in the Muslim world who want to speak up for cooperation. Success will only come from isolating the terrorists and denying them support, funds and recruits, which means focusing more on our common ground with the Muslim world than on what divides us.

Also OP, in the video you provide,Putin does not "candidly explain who controls ISIS". He explains that the USA armed mercenaries to fight Assad and that these fighters have joined ISIS. The West's arming of the Syrian rebels is common knowledge, the received understanding is that ISIS used the fallout from the conflict to unite the rebels under their own cause. Your sources do not conflict with this narrative.

Im on mobile so i cant source. But to comment on your final point. Documents have come out underlining the fact that the US was aware of the factions they were supporting. All of them were radicals and attention was drawn towards the heavily Saudi backed Wahhabi fighters.

Next they are going to look at the 'domestic threat' aka any patriot who speaks out against our corrupt government.

"that whole Islamic threat and ISIS? Nah, turns out they are not so bad afterall- religion of peace!"

My question is, if there is no Islamic army, who is Russia bombing? Just the "moderate rebels," aka the ones armed by the U.S.?

No such thing as Al Qaeda? Are you for real or what? Honestly... Does this really need to be argued against?

Many of my friends joined the military after 9/11, not a single person ever experienced combat during their tours... Just an excuse to burn fuel.

That's how war is... It's not constant fighting. And your anecdote doesn't prove anything.

Meet the Israeli analyst who leaked ISIS' execution videos http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4567871,00.html

Arch-Zionist Mole Rita Katz and the Mossad Orchestrated ISIS Beheading Hoaxes http://nodisinfo.com/arch-zionist-mole-rita-katz-mossad-orchestrated-isis-beheading-hoaxes/

French Report ISIL Leader Mossad Agent http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/08/04/french-report-isil-leader-mossad/

Dutch Official Calls ISIS "A Zionist Plot" http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4641/isis-zionist-plot

UN Reveals Israeli Links With Syrian Rebels https://archive.is/QVUok

UN Finds Credible Ties Between ISIS And Israeli Defense Forces http://www.infowars.com/un-finds-credible-ties-between-isis-and-israeli-defense-forces/

Head of Syrian army after alleged airstrikes: Israel working with ISIS and al-Qaida http://www.jpost.com/landedpages/printarticle.aspx?id=383907

Exclusive: Israel Is Tending to Wounded Syrian Rebels http://foreignpolicy.com/2014/06/11/exclusive-israel-is-tending-to-wounded-syrian-rebels/

Putin Aide Says Israel is Training ISIS http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/188359

Florida Jew arrested for posing as online jihadist, encouraging terrorism http://www.timesofisrael.com/florida-jew-arrested-for-posing-as-online-jihadist-encouraging-terrorism/

US Created The Islamic State (ISIS) for Sake of Israel and Military Industrial Complex: Ex-CIA contractor http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-created-the-islamic-state-isis-for-sake-of-israel-and-military-industrial-complex-ex-cia-contractor/5457911

Israeli rightists wave ISIS-style flags in protest of African asylum-seekers http://mondoweiss.net/2014/10/israeli-rightists-african

Michael Ben-Ari (Israeli politician) Waves ISIS Flag in Protest http://972mag.com/protesters-compare-high-court-to-isis-at-anti-refugee-rally/97384/

Meet the Israeli analyst who leaked ISIS' execution videos http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4567871,00.html

Arch-Zionist Mole Rita Katz and the Mossad Orchestrated ISIS Beheading Hoaxes http://nodisinfo.com/arch-zionist-mole-rita-katz-mossad-orchestrated-isis-beheading-hoaxes/

French Report ISIL Leader Mossad Agent http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/08/04/french-report-isil-leader-mossad/

Dutch Official Calls ISIS "A Zionist Plot" http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4641/isis-zionist-plot

UN Reveals Israeli Links With Syrian Rebels https://archive.is/QVUok

UN Finds Credible Ties Between ISIS And Israeli Defense Forces http://www.infowars.com/un-finds-credible-ties-between-isis-and-israeli-defense-forces/

Head of Syrian army after alleged airstrikes: Israel working with ISIS and al-Qaida http://www.jpost.com/landedpages/printarticle.aspx?id=383907

Exclusive: Israel Is Tending to Wounded Syrian Rebels http://foreignpolicy.com/2014/06/11/exclusive-israel-is-tending-to-wounded-syrian-rebels/

Putin Aide Says Israel is Training ISIS http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/188359

Florida Jew arrested for posing as online jihadist, encouraging terrorism http://www.timesofisrael.com/florida-jew-arrested-for-posing-as-online-jihadist-encouraging-terrorism/

US Created The Islamic State (ISIS) for Sake of Israel and Military Industrial Complex: Ex-CIA contractor http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-created-the-islamic-state-isis-for-sake-of-israel-and-military-industrial-complex-ex-cia-contractor/5457911

Israeli rightists wave ISIS-style flags in protest of African asylum-seekers http://mondoweiss.net/2014/10/israeli-rightists-african

Michael Ben-Ari (Israeli politician) Waves ISIS Flag in Protest http://972mag.com/protesters-compare-high-court-to-isis-at-anti-refugee-rally/97384/

+1!

fuck yeah, lets air this shit out.

Like USA have not been there only for oil and they haven't tried to fuck up Russia in straight way.

It is clear and everyone know that ISIS is existing becouse of what USA have done there.

I doubt it was ONLY for oil but of course that must have played a role. Also when I say "it wasn't ONLY for oil" I don't mean that our other motives were more savory.

Edit: Keep in mind that the countries we (the US) have been invading either directly or by proxy, happen to be some of the last nations on earth without a privately owned and operated central banking system. I feel that might play a bigger role in the grand scheme of things.

lithium and opium were the other reasons

Why would their lack of centralized banking be an asset?

It's a hole that they can fill and profit from.

where are you from?

Europe is good enouht place to know things.

where at in europe? im asking because i so rarely get to ask the opinion of someone who isint from the US, UK or Canada. often times one can get valuable insight from an outsider.

Poland. I know alot of countries, even mine were involed in all those wars in Middle East. But it is true and well known that most of actions have been taken becouse of misinterpetation of false spy reports etc etc.

If you look at this whole that "Middle East bullshit" started after WW2 and escalated after fall of USRR. Movie "Lord of War" shows how easy it was to get all the weapon out then.

so what is the general opinion about isis in poland? do most people think its a front for the americans or are they viewed differently?

You cannot ask a single anon person on the internet of the opinion of an entire population, unless you know the resulting answer will be biased and most likely misinformed. You're asking questions that you know cannot be answered

really? i can tell you the general opinion of donald trump. theres about 3 sides to it and i can paint with a broad brush and tell you all 3. not hard for people who arent small minded.

That's a political figure. Completely different from an entire organization/religion

I guess general opinion is like that.

It was West world fault and not US and others have lost control over its "baby" as most of command out there was trained by West counties.

You know Holohoax connection to Israel?

When you say Holohaux, do you mean you deny that the Holocaust occurred?

No. It's time I introduced you to Revisionism.

There was a time in America when people could discuss things without being berated by "OMG HE SAID THAT?" "ANTISEMITE" "OMG HE CRITICIZED ISRAEL."

Here is the Holocaust discussed on national television. https://youtu.be/jx9G4zmpKv0

I just want your opinion. You said "Holohoax" so I am led to believe that you do not believe the Holocaust occurred. It has been 70 years since the Holocaust ended and in that time there has been plenty of discussion in the U.S. and around the world about the events that transpired during WWII.

This has not all occurred in a vacuum. Surely there is a reason why people might take exception to you denying its existence? It's because most people take it now as historical fact that it did indeed occur.

Do you believe the Holocaust was a hoax? And why?

Edit. I must apologize, I can't watch the video right now, it's a little long, but I am certainly open to you explaining your point of view to me.

Sure I can copy and paste previous comments I made.

But it happened alright. But no where is it near close to what the official propaganda will tell you.

I'm not at my pc atm to provide sources but I will tell you some facts.

There used to be 22 alleged death camps.(Propganda historians were all stupid and called them all concentration camps).

Now there are only 6 in the world and they all reside in Poland. Why Poland? Because Poland is the last nation to allow independent investigations of their camps.

Zyklon_B is the alleged gas that was used to kill the Jews. Yet it's proven that people can easily breathe Zyklon_B.

Zyklon_B is a pesticide that leaves behind a blue residue. In none of the fake gas chambers which were built in the 70s, not one had traces of Zyklon_B. But where did they find it? The are found in the Delousing Chambers that tour guides will never show you.

Now what was killing Jews in a massive scale enough to be an epidemic? The typhus epidemic. And how was typhus carried? Lice.

I'ma leave it up to you to do the research. I already linked you a big one so good luck.

I just want to correct you on a couple points.

There were far more than 22 concentration camps, however 22 were death camps, for the sole purpose of the extermination of undesirables. It should also be noted that mass killings did take place at more than just the extermination camps, at other concentrations camps, but more importantly as the Nazis swept across Poland and the Soviet Union, they engaged in mass shootings, of which mass graves still exist.

More than 6 concentration camps survive today, with the majority actually existing in Germany. Dachau is the most famous of the German ones. There are others in Poland, Latvia, Ukraine, Austria and beyond.

I am a firm believer that the Holocaust did occur as it is historically taught, however I want to know your point of view as to why you question this narrative. I respect your opinion, and it is not bad to question the narrative, but I think its important to look at information objectively, and draw conclusions from the evidence, rather than find evidence to fit our own conclusions.

Sorry Dachau is not a death camp. It was before, but then they had to revise it.

It was a Holocaustian(Someone believes in the Holocaust) who pointed this out to me.

Here is the leading Holocaustian website also saying this. http://www.nizkor.org/features/qar/qar04.html

Nizkor is the number one organization trying to stop/slow Holocaust Revisionism. And yet they have to tell the truth sometimes.

Dachau isn't even on the list. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extermination_camp

Revisionism isn't some kind of conspiracy ok. It is an essential part of history. Like water is to living organisms.

It exists because history is written by the victors, so they like to turn it to propaganda. That's where Revisionism comes in.

Here's a great start for you. http://www.holohoax101.org/ Can you prove your "mass graves"?

You are correct, Dachau was not a death camp, this was my mistake.

Mass graves do indeed exist. Most of the graves went unmarked and German death squads (Einsatzgruppen) had the task of destroying them before the end of the war. This task went unfinished and many remain unexcavated, however we are aware of a large number of them.

Here is a good resource by the Encyclopedia Brittannica on the Einsatzgruppen and the Holocaust.

It is important to note that there are primary sources that document the mass shootings of Jews by the SS as they went across Eastern Europe. Testimony from SS soldiers, Nazi collaborators, victims, photographs of the events, and census data exists that backs this up. I recommend reading Masters of Death by Richard Rhodes, a Pulitzer Prize winning historian.

A note about historical revisionism: you are right that revision of history is important when appropriate. But it is important so that it may dispell falsehoods and reveal the actual truth. In the case of the Holocaust, historical evidence, and collective memory have proven that what we know of the Holocaust (why it happened, when, and how it was executed) is largely true.

As I said before, it is important to look at evidence first, before drawing conclusions.

I assure you, most of those mass graves are fake.

If you dig them up today, you will find no bones. Nothing. Fake pictures are not proof of something.

http://exposing-the-holocaust-hoax-archive.blogspot.com/2015/04/pictures-of-dead-bodies-in-mass-graves.html

Let me ask you. How many people do you think died during the Holocaust, and by which mean(s).

As I said, there are more primary sources than just photographs. Testimony from SS soldiers who perpetrated mass killings across Eastern Europe, not solely in death camps, but in impromptu massacres that utilized mass graves. Just as ISIS today marches across Iraq and Syria, rounding up "infidels" and executing en masse, so too did the Nazis in their European campaign.

Testimony from victims of these mass killings, and census data that shows enormous loss of life exists.

And finally, the testimony from the camps themselves, including that of officers such as Goering, Himmler, and Hoss, and camp guards exists that corroborates the story that the Holocaust occurred not only as a terror campaign in Eastern Europe, but also as a systematic concerted effort.

Around 11 million or more are estimated to have been killed in the Holocaust from execution by firing squad, gassing, overwork, disease and brutality.

I want to again emphasize that evidence, particularly from primary sources is key. Even if we choose not to trust the interpretation of events as recounted by thousands of well-respected historians, military personnel, and the like, we should respect the primary source evidence that exists. This evidence allows to draw a very damning conclusion, that a genocide perpetrated by the Nazis did occur.

Show me these fake testimonies. This is the first time I've heard of so many false claims.

Lmfao they are really trying to push the shoah real hard.

First it was 6 Gorrillion now they want 11 Sheckillions. First Saudis now this? You really do eat a lot of propaganda.

I'ma tell you the real number recorded by the Red Cross.

300,000.

Approved by both the Germans and inspected by the Red Cross. https://holohoax.wordpress.com/2013/10/26/holocaust-or-holohoax-05-20-amazing-facts/

Even Auschwitz changed from 6 Million to 4 Million in the 50s, and by the 80s went down to 1 Million. Getting closer to the actual count every year.

Now let me talk to you about another fake term you keep throwing around. Nazis.

http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Nazi

Really. You do need to watch the debate in the youtube link I linked you. See which side won.

Yes, 11 million, 6 million of whom were Jews and the other 5 million were mostly non-Jewish Poles. It is often forgotten that the Nazis perpetrated a genocide against the Polish people as well as the Jewish people in Europe.

I want to let you know, the Red Cross actually does not claim that 300,000 were the only number to die in the Holocaust. This has been claimed many times in this subreddit, and it is frequently rebutted with evidence from the Red Cross themselves. The ICRC says that the misattribution of this figure is "false propaganda."

You have linked that blog twice now and I must ask you, why do you think that you can find no scholarly sources to back up your claims? There are many who deny the Holocaust and none of them are well-respected historians.

Regardless of what we call the "Nazis," (we may call them German National Socialists, or representatives of the former German government and military wing if you prefer) there is a large degree of evidence that points to the conclusion that genocide in Europe did occur during WW2.

At the very least you must concede that there is evidence to support the conclusion of genocide, that at least equals the evidence that shows the opposite, no?

The ICRC says that the misattribution of this figure is "false propaganda."

But based on what you linked me.

"the Red Cross' official position is that there is no way to know the actual number of deaths."

So currently 300,000 is still the closest accurate number there is.

I don't buy that Polish/French propaganda smut.

Here's how WW2 started. 1939 Danzig Massacres. Poles killed off 58,000 German and Ukrainian nationals living in Danzig. This prompted Hitler to invade Poland. Of course I'm pretty sure the history books taught you "OMG HITLER WANTS TO CONQUER THE PLANET" and I'm pretty sure that's what you believe right now.

But have you actually ever heard Hitler's speech on the Danzig Massacres? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74krkfIrFQM

At the very least you must concede that there is evidence to support the conclusion of genocide, that at least equals the evidence that shows the opposite, no?

So where's the evidence?

You have linked that blog twice now and I must ask you,

Shows me you didn't even click on the blogs if you think I linked twice.

As for scholars. How about the fucking Historian who wrote Hitler's Autobiography? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwp7tVZuXKM

He was allowed to write the biography, because he was allowed to interview all of Hitler's generals. And he was able to gain their trust because he exposed the false British/Allied propaganda about bombing raid pictures. His sources are primary source unlike the propaganda historians you read.

"If you copy a work, that's called plagiarism. But if you copy many different secondary sources that's called works cited" - David Irving satirizing propaganda historians.

Don't forget about David Cole and Mark Webber. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNsbGKqjXcs They were really popular in the 90s. There was a Revisionist movement at the time that spread across campuses across the country starting debates about the Holocaust.

Now David Cole. He was extremely popular. Mostly because he himself was Jewish. You could call him the superstar of Revisionism. He took a tour of Auschwitz and got one of the curators to admit it was a Holohoax. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHzWo79dCHs

He was so popular in fact he was kidnapped and assaulted multiple times by the JDL. Luckily American JDL are more lenient than their European counterparts and don't immediately kill on sight. And so he had to go into hiding for 20 years. Along with him, the Revisionist movement quietly died down as the Holocaust propaganda machine known as Hollywood pumped out great works such as Schindlers List and Saving Private Ryan. Truly great emotional pieces of propaganda.

Let's just clear up a couple things before we continue the discussion.

As for scholars. How about the fucking Historian who wrote Hitler's Autobiography?

I assume you mean biography. Hitler is one of the most well-known individuals in human history. There are literally thousands of biographies that have been written on Adolf Hitler, David Irving has written one of these. I strongly urge you to go to a bookstore and buy any of the books that have been written about WW2 and read exactly what they say about the Holocaust. You will not find Holocaust denial in almost any of these books.

A note about David Irving himself, in a civil court case he was found to have fabricated historical evidence to support his claims about the Holocaust. He is not widely recognized as a credible source among his peers.

Here's how WW2 started. 1939 Danzig Massacres.

This claim is incredibly ludicrous. The Danzig massacres occurred two days after the German invasion of Poland. Not only this but the massacres were perpetrated by Germans against Polish partisans. Whether or not you choose to believe the motivations or actors behind the killings, the very fact that these events transpired after the invasion of Poland should be enough reason to dismiss them as the sole cause of WW2.

I am not sure how familiar you are with the timeline of events leading up to WW2, but the enormous mobilization of the German military prior to 1939, the annexation of Austria and Czechoslovakia, and Japanese and Italian invasions of Pacific Islands and Albania respectively should give you a clear indication that war was on the horizon for Germany well before September 1939.

So where's the evidence?

There is a large abundance of primary sources, but since you would like me to link you some, I can do so. I have mentioned that we should not discount testimony from Nazi officers like Goebbels, Hoss, and Himmler. Here is just some so that you will not discount this.

• Joseph Goebbels, Minister of Propoganda: February 14, 1942: "The Führer once again expressed his determination to clean up the Jews in Europe pitilessly. There must be no squeamish sentimentalism about it. The Jews have deserved the catastrophe that has now overtaken them. Their destruction will go hand in hand with the destruction of our enemies. We must hasten this process with cold ruthlessness.

• March 27, 1942: "The procedure is a pretty barbaric one and not to be described here more definitely. Not much will remain of the Jews. On the whole it can be said that about 60 per cent of them will have to be liquidated whereas only 40 per cent can be used for forced labor." -Joseph Goebbels*

• Interview of SS-Untersturmführer Dr. Hans Münch: Interviewer: Isn't the ideology of extermination contrary to a doctor's ethical values? Münch: Yes, absolutely. There is no discussion. But I lived in that environment, and I tried in every possible way to avoid accepting it, but I had to live with it. What else could I have done? And I wasn't confronted with it directly until the order came that I and my superior and another one had to take part in the exterminations since the camp's doctors were overloaded and couldn't cope with it. Interviewer: I must ask something. Doubters claim that "special treatment" could mean anything. It didn't have to be extermination. Münch: "Special treatment" in the terminology of the concentration camp means physical extermination. If it was a question of more than a few people, where nothing else than gassing them was worthwhile, they were gassed. Interviewer: "Special treatment" was gassing? Münch: Yes, absolutely.

So currently 300,000 is still the closest accurate number there is.

Absolutely not. Their are other sources that allow us to arrive at the number of between 5 and 6 millions Jews and 11 million total killed in the Holocaust. Population statistics give us the most accurate measurement, but statistics about the number of casualties at each camp are also available. Do you believe that this number was just made up? How could a conspiracy even exist where 11 millions people are complicit? What do you believe happened to these 11 millions people?

I strongly urge you to read a book specifically about WW2. You will find a much greater wealth of evidence in a book written by a historian and presented in a much clearer fashion than is done by me.

You still haven't provided any evidence. Any evidence whatsoever to the Holohoax.

Testimonials are the lowest forms of circumstantial evidence in the court of law. In any court of law for that matter.

Am I denying the testimonials of survivors? Yes, the fake ones. Ones that do not have any evidence to support it.

Such as Soap made out of Jews. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hLWyf3m8k4

"I survived the gas chambers 6 times!" http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/auschwitz-survivor-gena-turgel-walked-out-gas-chamber-alive-n293496

"By Some miracle, water came down instead of the Gas!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLkKCZ_x-9Y

Here is Herman Rosenblat who revealed one of this fake stories on ABC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SQWB36uKkw

And the biggest hoax of them all. Anne Frank.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gxm0Jtz76A

But every once in a while we have survivors who tell the truth about camp life.

Stories that Hollywood will never show you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm8UmMuRSSw&bpctr=1447970593

Just waiting for you to mention the Wannsee Conference.

At the risk of going against the grain, I really am not seeing any evidence in this thread at all. Everyone's just posting links of random people claiming that there's a connection but failing to actually prove a connection. The most damning "evidence" is Israel's open policy of treating any wounded person left at Golan Heights. Not a lot to go on, especially considering that the area is held by anti-ISIS rebel groups. I mean, let's take OP's links as examples:

Obama told you American Government trains and funds ISIS

He misspeaks, then immediately corrects himself.

CNN admits ISIS is an American Operation

The full line is "US lead ISIS coalition". Another mistake when he clearly meant to say "anti-ISIS coalition". The rest of the clip is about the US fighting against ISIS.

Putin candidly explains who controls "ISIS"

He explains that most of ISIS are just mercenaries. He says nothing about control, but does blame the US for creating a climate that caused them to rise up and for arming the 'civilized' rebels who then turned face and joined ISIS.

Deleted Reddit thread dedicated to ISIS-CIA connection

Not much more there than is already here.

Israeli IDF Colonel captured Leading band of ISIS in Iraq

...says the Iraqi forces as quoted by the Iranian government. You don't hear about it anywhere else, because there's literally nothing other than a small article on FarsNews.com to go on. No pictures of the guy, no interviews with the Iraqis who allegedly captured him, no discussions regarding his friends and family back in Israel. IDF ID numbers are 9 digits long and have no letters, so the sentence "with the security and military code of Re34356578765az231434" makes no sense.

It doesn't really matter. Some here like to create a theory then never fact check.

There are those who would deny this regardless of any evidence produced.

No evidence produced will ever be good enough.

This whole thread is full of sources, but they seem to imply a narrative that is contrary to the mainstream one.

What I think is amusing is that people will still deny that the US engages in things like financing and arming international terrorists while simultaneously supporting a foreign policy that includes things like "regime change".

Now how exactly does the US engage in regime change? By arming and supporting freedom fighters?

Evidence, proof and source. These all have the exact same meaning. One could cite a certain website as a source, which would be evidence/proof of a certain claim. It's just that the evidence or proof for official stories comes from the government and the media. So that is their proof. It all boils down to which side you want to side with.

At the risk of going against the grain, I really am not seeing any evidence in this thread at all.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3ra3ez/isis_is_a_usisrael_proxy_army_evidence_thread/cwmklw5

"Alice laughed: "There's no use trying," she said; "one can't believe impossible things."

"I daresay you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. "When I was younger, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast."

Isreal never bombs them

Israeli Secret Intelligence Service

But that acronym only works in English, not Hebrew or Arabic

It's because the only way they can contact their english counterparts was in english.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDsQ5ZezoPM

You're not actually serious right?

Yes I am.

That video is from 1990.

Either make a better argument then down voting and being pretentious as fuck or get the fuck out shill.

INB4 butthurt.

Just because the translation of the Israeli Intelligence Service's name in English from Hebrew, and the translation of ISIS name in English from Arabic are the same, does not mean they have any connection. How is this proof of their collusion?

I linked a fucking video. Did you watch it?

Mossad means Institute.

They wanted to contact the CIA and MI the same way they do each other in English. So they came up with ISIS.

Oh wait, you aren't talking about their names? You want to talk about how ISIS was created by Israel?

Look up how Mossad did 911. Everything from Israeli art students, to 5 Dancing Israeli's, to Israeli truck bombs.

Then look up how ISIS was created. Everything from Fake ISIS beheadings to how Rita Katz the Mossad agent.

Holy shit you are a fucking scumbag. I expected you to know this shit already but it turns out you were just pretentious as fuck.

Let's take a step back. I don't want to talk about whether the Mossad "did" 9/11. Let's talk specifically about the acronym "ISIS."

I watched the video, yes. It seems that in English, Mossad call themselves the Israeli Secret Intelligence Service or ISIS. This is, however not their name in Hebrew.

But this doesn't answer the question: how exactly does their acronym prove they are colluding the with Islamic State?

Does the Arab Cooperation Council have anything to do with the Atlantic Coast Conference because their acronyms are the same? No obviously not.

All I'm saying is that just because Mossad calls themselves the Israeli Secret Intelligence Service in English, and the Islamic State calls themselves ISIS in English, does not prove their collusion.

Let's keep it civil, I'm not trying to disrespect you, we're having a conversation where I disagree with you.

Well names are names. And can easily change over time.

Doesn't matter if Mossad used the acronym ISIS back in the 90s. They are in fact ISIS right now. Of course names don't prove collusion. There is hundreds of solid evidence that proves ISIS is a subsidiary of Mossad. The name game is just a little inside joke/fact. But it is strange who called them ISIS in the first place. Did Islamic State or the media decide to call themselves that? What happened to ISIL? Why would they want to call themselves ISIS when it was used by Mossad before? Sometimes we will never know small details like this.

Also noteworthy that Hamas was an Israeli creation as well first designed to gain political influence over Palestine before they went rogue and decided to help their people.

ISIS is still known as ISIL. In fact, the U.S. State Department exclusively refers to them as ISIL. Different media outlets use different names, like IS or ISIS, or ISIL.

Names are indeed names.

By this dude's logic Archer and his team are all linked.

Maybe we should terrify Israel with this new uprising in canada called the Canadian Islamic Army.

Now you realize how silly this whole thing is. That since we as a nation took this long to figure this out (/r/conspiracy excepted) means we really should keep to ourselves.

Your obviously wrong. It's the Italian Secret Intelligence Service.

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No. People hate Israel because Israel has a history of committing terrorism.

You could replace "Jewish" with any other religious or ideological denomination and people would still hate on terrorism.

Saudi Arabia gets just as much hate in this subreddit, as does the USA, Britain, France, Germany, Russia and every other terrorist state.

Please pull your head out of your ideological ass and realize this: nobody here save the racists and people like you think Jews are anything more than patsies for the fascists.

People hate Israel because it is a terrorist state which acts with impunity both covertly and overtly. Their tentacles spread wide and deep to make sure that their insidious agenda continues unabated. Unfortunately and ironically for them (and you) the cat is out of the bag and it is Israel's evil actions which threaten its very security.

TIL the US flew nearly 40 billion in shrink-wrapped $100 bills into Iraq, then distributed the cash with no proper control over who was receiving it and how it was being spent. No one in jail for this billion dollar boondoggle!

Fake JEWISH Al Qaeda Actors EXPOSED! Adam Gadahn and Yousef al-Khattab https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pQvjuOeHCE

Startling revelations: IS operative confesses to getting funds via US http://tribune.com.pk/story/828761/startling-revelations-is-operative-confesses-to-getting-funds-via-us/

Terror trial collapses after fears of deep embarrassment to security services http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jun/01/trial-swedish-man-accused-terrorism-offences-collapse-bherlin-gildo

The Red Line and the Rat Line http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n08/seymour-m-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat-line

Brother of Terrorist - US Support Jundullah Terrorist Group https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1Aa_XEwNwI

Romney Campaign, CIA Mormon Mafia, John Bolton’s Islamophobia Network Stir Middle East Chaos to Get October Surprise Against Obama; CIA’s Gitmo-Trained Asset Qumu Prime Suspect in Death of Ambassador Stevens http://tarpley.net/2012/09/16/john-boltons-islamophobia-network-stir-middle-east-chaos-to-get-october-surprise/

British Special Forces “Dressing Up” As ISIS…What Could Go Wrong?

Who Is ISIS? An open source investigation

Who is Really Behind ISIS? (transcript)

ISIS and The Strategy of Tension

ISIS Furious About 9/11 Conspiracy Theories!

"Did you know that ISIS has an official, sleek English-language propaganda magazine? And were you further aware that they are outraged about these 9/11 conspiracy theories trying to take the credit for 9/11 and other spectacular false flags away from the jihadis?"

The U.S. Government Supplied ISIS’ Iconic Pickup Trucks

Here’s the context that we dare the Western press to discuss: the U.S. and its allies CREATED ISIS

ISIS MEANS -- ISRAELI SECRET INTELLIGENCE SERVICE - This was a C-SPAN interview from the 90's

Nice thread. Saved because you never know.

Israeli businessmen are buying up properties in ISIL-held Iraqi cities

Why? They're laying the foundation for Greater Israel.

UN Report Reveals How Israel is Coordinating with ISIS Militants Inside Syria

World Silent as ISIS Slaughters Palestinians

ISIS Destroys Ancient human history before our eyes The new occupants want no signs of it's true past.

Are American Planes Routinely Dropping Weapons to ISIS Fighters in Iraq?

Putin Has Been Exposing The U.S. Battle Plans Against ISIS In Syria As A Complete And Total Fraud…

I'll play. This British jihadi was so hard they had to kill him by drone strike. Twice.

Daily Mail July

Daily Mail September

Thanks, keep fighting the good fight.

For a previous Reddit thread on the topic, see here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3ijjw2/the_idea_that_america_created_isis_should_not_be/

81% of Syrians Blame The U.S. Govt. For ISIS' Creation http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-19/81-syrians-believe-us-blame-isis

Yahoo News: CIA Sends Team To Libya To Aid Anti-Qaddafi Rebellion (3/31/2011) https://sg.news.yahoo.com/cia-sends-teams-libya-us-considers-rebel-aid-20110331-065759-284.html

UK Telegraph: Libyan Rebel Commander Admits His Fighters Have Ties To Al Qaeda (2011) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8407047/Libyan-rebel-commander-admits-his-fighters-have-al-Qaeda-links.html

U.S. Training Syrian Rebels With Anti-Aircraft Weaponry In Jordan (12/12/2012) http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2012/12/12/167055437/sources-u-s-jordan-training-syrian-rebels-on-anti-aircraft-weapons

CNN, Der Spiegel: Late U.S. Ambassador To Libya Chris Stevens Expressed To St. Dept. Concerns Over Covert CIA Arms Flow To Al Qaeda-Linked Rebel Groups, Requested Additional Security At Benghazi Consulate Prior To Attack (8/1/2013) http://hotair.com/archives/2013/08/01/cnn-bombshell-dozens-of-cia-operations-were-on-the-ground-during-the-benghazi-attack-agency-in-panic-over-revelations/

Times of London: CIA Weapons Smuggled From Libya Through Turkey Arrive In Syria (9/14/2012) http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/middleeast/article3537770.ece

Reuters, Der Spiegel: Americans Are Training Syrian Rebels In Jordan (3/10/2013) http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2012/12/12/167055437/sources-u-s-jordan-training-syrian-rebels-on-anti-aircraft-weapons

Seymour Hersh: CIA Ratline To Jihadist Rebel Groups (April 2014) http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n08/seymour-m-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat-line

Iraqi Official: Planes Bringing In Arms To ISIS (11/17/2014) http://rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/171120144

Iraqi MP: American Aircraft Dropped Weapons To ISIS (1/4/2015) http://www.iraqinews.com/iraq-war/american-aircraft-airdropped-weapons-to-isis-says-mp/

The Guardian: Pentagon Drops Weapons To ISIS (10/22/2014) http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/22/isis-us-airdrop-weapons-pentagon

Iraqi Parliament Natl. Security & Defense Committee President: 'We Took Down British Plane That Was Carrying Arms To ISIS' (February 2015) http://www.aydinlikdaily.com/world/iraqi-mp-we-took-down-the-british-plane-carrying-arms-to-isis-h219.html

U.S. Has Been Covertly Supporting Syrian Rebel Groups Since At Least 2012, Some Sources Say 2007 (6/1/2013) http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jun/21/world/la-fg-cia-syria-20130622

Turkish Govt. Declares Covert Convoy To ISIS Fighters 'State Secret' (1/1/2014) http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/01/vanished-turkish-truck-state-secret.html#

The Daily Beast: America's Allies Are Funding ISIS (6/16/2014) http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/14/america-s-allies-are-funding-isis.html

NY Times: Suspicions Run Deep In Iraq That The CIA & Islamic State Are United (9/21/2014) http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/21/world/middleeast/suspicions-run-deep-in-iraq-that-cia-and-the-islamic-state-are-united.html?_r=0

CNN: ISIS Man Trained By U.S. State Department (5/29/2015) http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/29/politics/isis-man-trained-in-us/

Washington Times: ISIS Fighter Trained By State Department (5/30/2015) http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/may/30/islamic-state-fighter-trained-by-state-department-/

Captured ISIS Advisors In Iraq Reportedly Include US, Israeli Contractors (3/11/2015) http://www.mintpressnews.com/iraq-arrests-isis-advisors-us-and-israelis-held/203250/

L.A. Times: U.S. Commandos On Their Way To Syria To Advise 'Moderate' Rebels (10/31/2015) http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-pentagon-syria-20151030-story.html

So Israel has been conducting airstrikes against Syria for ten years, now that shit hit the fan they blame America, lol. Do they think Israeli F16's were bombing their arms facilities and nuclear facilities for fun?

https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/06DAMASCUS5399_a.html

From 2006!

Extremist elements increasingly use Syria as a base, while the SARG (ed: Syrian government) has taken some actions against groups stating links to Al-Qaeda. With the killing of the al-Qaida leader on the border with Lebanon in early December and the increasing terrorist attacks inside Syria culminating in the September 12 attack against the US embassy, the SARG,s policies in Iraq and support for terrorists elsewhere as well can be seen to be coming home to roost.

Possible Actions: — Publicize presence of transiting (or externally focused) extremist groups in Syria, not limited to mention of Hamas and PIJ. Publicize Syrian efforts against extremist groups in a way that suggests weakness, signs of instability, and uncontrolled blowback. The SARG,s argument (usually used after terror attacks in Syria) that it too is a victim of terrorism should be used against it to give greater prominence to increasing signs of instability within Syria. (emphasis added).

Publicize presence of transiting (or externally focused) extremist groups in Syria

They mean "go public about the fact that the Assad regime is providing aid and comfort to extremist elements in order to harm US forces inside Iraq."

Read the rest of the document, its all about destabilizing Syria through military and media propaganda means

I wish people would stop posting news clips with intros and drama music. Those are good sources, but I'll be damned if I perpetuate that kind of dramatic bullshit.

Putin Tells Everyone Exactly Who Created ISIS

wouldn't it be prudent to draw conclusions from the evidence rather than find things to fit a pre determined answer?

I mean, you can't blame these guys for doing it when every politician and news agency in America does the same thing. Shit, I would argue even most redditors.

Nobody forms an opinion based on research anymore, they research to find sources to support their opinions and theories.

"Evidence"

ISIS’ Financial Sources ~ There are no sanctions imposed by the United States against countries and institutions that support ISIS.

globalresearch.ca

where do they get their sources? they always seem vague and never have links citing their claims...not sure what to believe with them

Deleted Reddit thread dedicated to ISIS-CIA connection (many good links in comment section)

most are taken from other sites, search their titles and youll see original site with sometimes better source linkage

When more than 50% of the American population knows about this bs, what then? When is it going to be too much for the American people to take. When and how do we take power from those who have taken power from us.

lol most people don't give a shit, if it ever got remotely close to a situation where power could be taken then out would come the police, then army.

Any person with half a critically thinking mind as /r/conspiracy claims to have, would know that: a. there is only one colonel in the Golani brigade - its commander, and his name is not "Yusi Oulen Shahak", whoever that is. b. the golani brigade is an infantry brigade, not spec-ops, it only acts within israel c. our "military codes", i.e personal IDs, are 7 digits, not 21 alphanumeric characters. why would we use latin letters as well? it goes to show how retarded this whole thing is. won't even bother to debunk anything else.

some next level retard-strong is here

This shit blows my mind, half of the headlines listed in these comments are mis-represented and presented in an order that implies a narrative which NONE of the actual articles support.

When you try to debunk or question someone's logic you're instantly a shill.

If any of these guys expected their claims or theories to be taken seriously they should probably try harder to convince people and learn to argue like a grown up.

this sub is a joke. plain and simple :)

You can google it dummy :-)

I wonder if the attacks in France will lead to America going into Syria which is an Israeli agenda.

I thought we were already in Syria

PhilosopherofFreedom: The "Israeli IDF Colonel captured Leading band of ISIS in Iraq" is fake. France24 debunks it, also the fake pic of the "Colonel" is of a soldier who died in 2014: http://observers.france24.com/fr/20151102-colonel-israelien-arrete-etat-islamique-soldat-mort-2014-israel-irak

There have been countless reports with solid evidence suggesting ISIS is in fact an Israeli run band of mercenaries, bought and paid for by the US tax payer

United States Apache attack helicopter following behind ISIS convoy into Syria from Iraq

I'm not familiar with this conspiracy so I'm curious: what would be the point? Why would Israel and the US want to fund ISIS as a proxy army?

I mean no disrespect, I'm just curious

To destabilize Syria to the point of civil war, then point a finger and say, "see! Look at what the horrible dictator Assad is doing to his own people!!" Then they take him out, replace with puppet, and the original problem - that being Assad was threatening to cease oil trade in US dollars - is no more. Source: Gadaffi. Hussein. Etc.

Here is my problem with this:

1) Syria was already engaged in a civil war prior to the existence of ISIS. ISIS was not the cause of the civil war.

2) The U.S. has had numerous chances to depose Assad with strong international backing but has not done so. (Remember President Obama's Red line speech regarding Assad's chemical weapon use?)

3) The Syrian Civil War, instability in Syria and the deposition of Assad are counterproductive to U.S. goals in the Middle East. The Syrian Civil war has put an enormous strain on the fledgling, U.S. backed Iraqi government, a government which the U.S. has spent billions of dollars creating. Not only this, but the instability in Syria and Iraq has created a hotbed of terrorist violence that threatens (and already has) spilled over into the U.S. and other parts of the world. It's safe to say that ISIS and other paramilitary groups in Syria that operate with impunity are great contributors to international terrorism. Paris was just attacked by what are believed to be ISIS militants.

All of this means that it doesn't make much sense for the U.S. to be propping up ISIS. Clearly it was possible to achieve the deposition of Assad without ISIS and on the U.S.' own terms.

Edit. I upvoted you because I respect your opinion and would like to continue this discussion.

So the U.S. is funding ISIS for no reason? I don't follow what you mean

Edit. I also upvoted you

I want to say that I disagree with you that ISIS is backed by the U.S. and Israel, but you bring up a point that I see very frequently in conspiracy threads that is apart from this: that the "The Media" and "The Government" are colluding, are corrupt and pushing some agenda.

I want to ask: Why do you believe this? How is this even possible?

• "The Media": When we think of "The Media," news giants like CNN, CBS, NBC and FOX News come to mind. Apart from the gripes that I have with these organizations, there are many other very reputable news agencies that report the same news. In the U.S. we have newspapers like the LA Times, The New York Times, The Chicago Sun Times, and The Washington Post. We have magazines like Time, Newsweek, and Foreign Affairs. Are we to believe that these and the hundreds of other news outlets are all working in some kabal to keep the American public in the dark about real news?

  What about other global publications like Reuters, The Guardian, BBC, and The Economist? Are they in on it too? What about non-English language publications like El Pais, Al Jazeera, and El Monde? Do all these news organizations which publish all of the same top headlines get orders from the U.S. government to push some agenda?

• "The Government": The U.S. government consists of the local, state and federal government as I'm sure you are aware. The Federal government alone employs more than 4 million personnel. Are we to believe that all of these individuals are also part of some great kabal?

These are just some things that I find troubling with many conspiracies. They rely on us assuming that large, often unrelated groups, work together maliciously without the knowledge of the general public.

What do you think about this?

One more question while I have you: why are the U.S. and Russia coordinating strikes against ISIS in conjunction?

This truck is the best one yet. http://shoebat.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Mark1_Plumbing.jpg

Hahaha I laughed out loud.

An open letter to the UN from Assad in 2013 after the Khan al-Assal chemical attack, in which a bomb of sarin gas was launched at Syrian civilians by rebel forces. He says that Turkey, Qatar and certain Western countries were behind funding and directing them:

http://www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=S/2013/172

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

Doesn't have anything to do with Isis directly, but Operation Northwood was a plan proposed by Kennedy's Cheifs of Staff to stage fake terrorism all around the US.

it happened. its called 9/11. this is probably also the same thing

Al Qaeda and ISIS are separate groups, so Qaeda be "rebranded" doesn't make sense, considering there's plenty of evidence they are separate.

Some of said evidence for yall, its even in video form so you can't just skim the headline and form a new conspiracy:

https://news.vice.com/video/inside-the-battle-al-nusra-al-qaeda-in-syria

https://news.vice.com/video/the-islamic-state-part-1

You.

I like you.

Lmao, thanks? I know it sounds like i'm making fun of conspiracies, but I'm not. Just the people that can't be bothered to look at ALL (including MSM) of the media sources, not just their favorite anti-government blog. I like the idea of /r/conspiracy

There are a shit load of rich and powerful people in this world that would like to stay that way. That is the simple part. The complicated part is figuring out just who is fucking over people and who is trying to help.

If people looked at things critically, did their own research, and formed their OWN opinions, then maybe this sub and conspiracy theorists in general wouldn't be viewed as such a big joke by most of reddit and regular people.

I agree with the general sentiment of "lots of powerful people are evil motherfuckers" but if anyone is ever going to fix it people really need to try harder when it comes to reading, discussing, analyzing, collaborating etc...

....end rant

Donald Trump wants money and power, he'll do anything to get it, even if it means running a terrible presidential campaign, but he's not a lizardman from outer-space using terrorism to get oil so he can stay that way. Unfortunately, some people think that's true because Alex Jones and David Icke told them so.

Remember when John McCain said he'd be Supplying "Moderates" with Surface-to-Air Missiles to take down Russian Planes?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM-bV19J6w8

note: ISIS™ took responsibility for downing the airliner:

http://www.ibtimes.com/isis-group-claims-responsibility-downed-russian-plane-officials-say-malfunction-2163917

The only one I'm skeptical about is the capture of the Israeli colonel, Yusi Oulen Shahak from the Golani Brigade.

If it's true that he is from the Israeli armed forces, why haven't other media outlets (lame-stream or other) picked this up?

This one is obviously false. His supposed military ID is Re34356578765az231434. Military IDs in Israel are 7 digit numbers. Also this number includes "343565787". Look at your keyboard and tell me this is a legit random number for identification...

This website claims to have a picture of said colonel. Does this look like a picture of a colonel to you? There's reason for that. Reverse google image search that image and you find out that this photo, claimed to belong to a Colonel who leads ISIS, belongs to an Oron Shaul, a 20 year old who was killed in Gaza in 2014. I swear, you people should learn some fact checking.

you people should learn some fact checking

"You people"? I said I was skeptical, yet you reply to my post, but no one else's post regarding this?

Maybe I should of said in my post "Obviously fake info regarding the capture of an Israeli colonel"?

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Rule 10. Removed.

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Rule 2. Removed. PM sent.

Yes, there's definitely a conspiracy against your post. I stalk it so much.

If you're going to ignore what I wrote about questioning why you were specifically targeting (i.e. stalking) my post, yet give no reason or response as to why you didn't complain directly to the OP about posting an unfounded claim, then it just goes to show that indeed you were targeting me for some very odd reason. Even now, you were waiting to see what I would post in response to the mod, as you were not directly copied to the post (but mentioned).

What is your answer/reply to why you responded to me, yet made no attempt to contact or reply to the OP and question him!?

Typical. You responded so soon with my message to the mod, yet continue not to directly respond to my complaint. It's probably bedtime in Israel for you right now.

Well, guess this subreddit is biased when complaints only go in one direction. And that only helps the argument against you.

Yes you should have. And it is a disgrace that OP included it in a list of evidence, and even complained specifically that this on has no media attention.

This one is obviously false. His supposed military ID is Re34356578765az231434. Military IDs in Israel are 7 digit numbers. Also this number includes "343565787". Look at your keyboard and tell me this is a legit random number for identification...

This website claims to have a picture of said colonel. Does this look like a picture of a colonel to you? There's reason for that. Reverse google image search that image and you find out that this photo, claimed to belong to a Colonel who leads ISIS, belongs to an Oron Shaul, a 20 year old who was killed in Gaza in 2014. I swear, you people should learn some fact checking.

Yes you should have. And it is a disgrace that OP included it in a list of evidence, and even complained specifically that this on has no media attention.

No, I shouldn't have. I stand by my original post by saying I was skeptical, as to me that's good enough to show that the OP just pasted a link which presented a claim that hasn't been picked up by other media outlets. In other words, I didn't believe it, but you're replying to my post with such vehemence that you really confuse me. It's like having two guys on the same side agreeing, yet one of them (you) attacks his ally.

If you have a complaint then take it up with /u/PhilosopherofFreedom since he created the thread topic! Go on, talk to him, and start your complaints to him, NOT ME!!!!!

Based on your post history, you sure do get a lot of downvotes for your over hostile approach to "conversing" with others.

Edit: I just checked your post history, and not once did you post a complaint to the OP of this thread topic about the lack of evidence or source material to back-up the posted link about the Israeli colonel! Instead of targeting my post (which I wasn't even supporting his claim that there was an Israeli colonel!), go do some work for a change and reply directly to the OP!!

Now I remember who you are. You're that guy who tried to derail the vaccine thread made about a month ago on /r/Conspiracy. LOL

I ignored your posts back then, but now I can consider you a stalker. I'll just inform the mods that you targeted me back then too, yet made no attempt to deride or counter any of the other posters from that particular thread. Thanks, now I have the evidence to get you banned from this subreddit.

Are there any links directly to the vids? If I wanna show people shit shit I don't really want to pull up a young turks vid and probably not a cartoon either

this is the page i maintain for evidence of this exact issue.. it includes the green screen video of beheadings and the us military whistleblower who stated that cia funds isis via swiss banks: https://www.ureka.org/katalists/view/19341/contradictory-evidence-regarding-isis-isil-daesh

You will find no hard evidence. It's grid wars and hiding money is easy. However there is plenty of anecdotal evidence. Everyone should research Oded Yinon.

Wake up sheeple

It stinks to high hell of bullshit that they "happened" to find a blown off finger and a passport that belongs to the attackers. How was the passport in tack after he blew himself up.

All I see is a false flag attack to give France a reason to enter even further into the "War on Terror" and to give The US to continue involvement and violate our civil rights at home.

Also I believe this was done to increase propaganda in Europe against Syrian refugees. It is becoming clearer that this isn't a war on terror but something worse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqCv1-8SIfk Paris Tragedy Explained!

It would be great if everyone had to read this and contribute in a logical manner.

CNN reports video of a suppossedly ISIS training center with a US military logo.

I love reading about this but I'm also terrified reading these posts about major conspiracies...

ISIS convoy gets air support from Apache attack chopper. What cognitive dissonance? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fHHX5CnGuA

Great thread

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b6c_1447660445

also...

"Israel is Islamic State's biggest oil customer" BY MARTIN BARILLAS

Report: Israel Biggest Buyer of Oil Smuggled from ISIS Controlled Territories

Israel buys most oil smuggled from ISIS territory - report

CNN Report: ISIS armed with U.S. weapons

I have never heard of ISIS in my life until it blew up. No pun intended.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pInFXx-7iTE

Hackers Claim John McCain Knew ISIS Execution Videos Were Staged

http://www.globalresearch.ca/hackers-claim-john-mccain-knew-isis-execution-videos-were-staged/5466219

In other News, Intel just set a honey pot for unsuspecting gullibles.

Captured ISIS Leaders in Iraq Confess to Receiving Military and Intelligence Support from the United States

http://www.globalresearch.ca/captured-isis-leaders-in-iraq-confess-to-receiving-military-and-intelligence-support-from-the-united-states/5486110

Is it sad that I am looking at this thread through a VPN connection and Tor network?

• PIA/OPEN
• TOR-2.5/NO/TOR
• Ghostery/Tails Linux OS

pretty standard stuff.

http://www.cfr.org/syria/al-qaedas-specter-syria/p28782

US troops should not be used as human shields for ISIS in Syria.

This was a C-SPAN interview from the 90's - https://youtu.be/hDVwobzfR8s?t=2m30s

ISIS MEANS -- ISRAELI SECRET INTELLIGENCE SERVICE

Mossad has their claws in everything.

Top Ex Al Qeada does interview and says exactly what some of us already knew. ISIS is 100% creation of U.S. Ayman Zawahri released from prison and given 20-30 million to create three ISIS groups.

ALSO, for a lot more resources:

• Use Reddit Search (upper-right corner of this page) to search for "ISIS" (check "limit my search to /r/conspiracy").

The exploitation of chaos for financial and strategic gain. This video exposes the blatant implementation of routine groundwork in Iraq, that created the necessary climate of instability needed for ISIS's creation. This fascinating investigative story is the precursor to the situation today, highlighting the blatancy with which yet another administration continued in a line of dozens; implementing in Iraq verbatim a murky neocololnial strategy employed all around the globe today. So specifically in fact, that the same exact individuals who were sent to El Salvador under Regan as "Advisors" to create death squads, we're brought out of retirement and sent into fragile post Sadam Iraq to train the newly created "Iraqi security force". An empowered and US armed Shia minority which would follow in Salvador's bloody torturous steps. In this way we play both sides, a design for contagious endless war. In this case one in which it is clear that a volatile Sunni reaction (ISIS) could have only been the only expected reaction.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xG3vO866F-0

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am I right in saying that by having a Russian airplane crash in or near Egypt (I'm not 100% sure of the location) this could be seen as a false flag attack to attempt to draw Russian into a war against ISIS? which in my opinion would be a proxy war against the US? just my thoughts/attempt at joining the dots

Well right now Russia and USA are cooperating, so your proxy war theory is out. I guess in theory Russia could be using that incident to justify action in the middle east, but from what I understand Russia doesn't care to justify their actions to the people (see Ukraine). So, I would disagree with that theory as well.

ISIS Leader Admits We Are Being Funded By The Obama Administration

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"These events are occurring because of horrors to terrible to tell, experienced in the heart! Neither Christian nor Muslim should leave a soul in such a state, indeed, true Christianity or Islam prohibit it unqualifiedly, knowing that to do otherwise is to risk unleashing demons: every heart destroyed is a world destroyed, and if that wrecked heart survive how will it look upon the world ruined by another's impiety? True repentance is a sacred balm that heals the sickest hearts and thus restores the world".

What about the recruiting personnel and all of the western families that they affect?

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/10/27/fsa-visit-to-moscow-proves-there-is-no-real-fsa/

http://levantreport.com/2015/05/19/2012-defense-intelligence-agency-document-west-will-facilitate-rise-of-islamic-state-in-order-to-isolate-the-syrian-regime/

In your list of evidence is cartoon. What the fuck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDFhgpidzNA

Can someone tell me if I am understanding Putin's description of the ISIS situation, correctly?

From what i understand, the US arms and pays rebel groups to conduct operations. When these rebel groups/mercenaries find someone else that pays them more, they join them. In this case, the mercenaries joined ISIS. Thus, the U.S. is indirectly causing ISIS to grow.

The people who create and believe these theories should move out of their parent's basements already lmao

Gearóid Ó Colmáin is Irish, not French. You can tell from the name and the accent!

What about that stuff about how the US "accidentally" gave weapons to ISIL? After the Russian Bombings that is.

Can we never let this thread die? Like, can we have it archived or stickied or something?

Clear signs show that ISIS is at the service of Israel

Remember when we "accidentally" dropped weapons and supplies that were picked up by ISIS? After the third accident, I guess even they had to admit they weren't that stupid.

Great, no stopping ISIS now.

ISIS MEANS -- ISRAELI SECRET INTELLIGENCE SERVICE - This was a C-SPAN interview from the 90's

Hope the Russians take-out ISIS and their suppliers/backers too.

How did you get a green title?

Nothing from one legitamte source. This is complete bs

"There are things known, and things unknown, and in between are the Doors of Perception" -Aldous Huxley

It could also be a sidelong disinformation campaign to manage the opposition. That would make tactical sense.

Who else would it be? Your masters invented ISIS/ISIL/IS so they could get weapons in and out of certain locations, so they could create a certain pipeline and so they could help destablize the "Middle East" so they could make the appropriate changes required to make it the hub of the world.

Didn't you all get the memo?

Bow down and embrace your new world order. This is God's Calamity.

IS, then... ISIL, then... ISIS, but before, there was...ISS

Wat?

Lolwut? Why is this even on this subreddit, it's a known fact.

I hate these types of theories cos 'Hey let's pretend that the bipolar world powers aren't working together to further their own aristocratic agenda'. They don't believe in nations, you do, that's how they control your thoughts.

Who are you to decide what is and isn't constructive for me? Why should I care for, let alone listen to your command?

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doesn't particularly add anything meaningful to the conversation.

doesn't particularly foster useful dialogue.

Do you not realise that these are merely opinions that I don't agree with? Which means I don't care about this:

Elaborate on why you may or may not feel or think a certain way

You seem pretty passonate for someone who doesnt care about this.

When I say I don't care, I mean I don't feel obliged to elaborate on my comments, sometimes I elaborate, but I don't particularly care for its 'value'.

Hey, no need to explain yourself to me. Im nobody.

Yes, nation states are mostly illusion, but that is a little deeper. There are so many people that have yet to take the step that this post is about, so it is still an important topic.

Once you demonstrate the corruptness of the US you break the world view of that sort of person and then new ideas are more readily explored instead of being blocked by the blinders of consensus thought. At that point they may be more receptive to descriptions of the world power structure.

[There is] a hidden “deep state” that influences and often opposes official U.S. policies. Prominent political analyst Peter Dale Scott begins by tracing America’s increasing militarization, restrictions on constitional rights, and income disparity since the Vietnam War.
He argues that a significant role in this historic reversal was the intervention of a series of structural deep events, ranging from the assassination of President Kennedy to 9/11. He does not attempt to resolve the controversies surrounding these events, but he shows their significant points in common, ranging from overlapping personnel and modes of operation to shared sources of funding. Behind all of these commonalities is what Scott calls the deep state: a second order of government, behind the public or constitutional state, that has grown considerably stronger since World War II. He marshals convincing evidence that the deep state is partly institutionalized in non-accountable intelligence agencies like the CIA and NSA, but it also includes private corporations like Booz Allen Hamilton and SAIC, to which 70 percent of intelligence budgets are outsourced.
Behind these public and private institutions is the traditional influence of Wall Street bankers and lawyers, allied with international oil companies beyond the reach of domestic law. With the importance of Gulf states like Saudi Arabia to oil markets, American defense companies, and Wall Street itself, this essential book shows that there is now a supranational deep state, sometimes demonstrably opposed to both White House policies and the American public interest.

http://www.amazon.com/The-American-Deep-State-Democracy/dp/1442214244

Once you demonstrate the corruptness of the US you break the world view of that sort of person and then new ideas are more readily explored instead of being blocked by the blinders of consensus thought.

I disagree because I think these tactics are used purposely to decay the 'breaking world view' process by focusing on the physical or 'real' evidence. The longer it takes for people to 'wake up' the longer the world power structure can subsist. The quickest way to 'wake up' is for one to realise the absurd nature of their existence and to stop blocking out thoughts that address metaphysical questions. With the right mindset, you can unravel it all in a couple hours.

Lol ok

Have of ops sources are YouTube videos, what a solid wall of evidence. If we used YouTube instead of common core or books in our education system we'd be way better off.

Well, from the links you provided, there isn't much compelling evidence. The first one was Obama misspeaking, which I guess you can argue was a Freudian slip, but it's not like that is concrete evidence. The second one was someone referring to the US-led ISIL coalition, which is pretty clearly referring to the US-led coalition AGAINST ISIL. I mean, he was talking about an accidental conflict between Russia and the coalition. If Russia were to strike ISIL, that would not be accidental at all, since Russia is backing Assad, so I think it's safe to say with that context he meant the anti-ISIL coalition. The third video is just Putin talking, which I don't understand why you take his word as evidence. The cartoon you linked is literally just a cartoon. What is that evidence of? The last link is to a report that is from FNA, an incredibly shoddy source. This is the same agency that portrayed a satirical report from The Onion about Ahmadinejad polling in the US as fact, and reported that the US is controlled by tall white aliens. If you believe that is a reliable source then you are not a rational person.

Actually I'm not, I'm saying you could make the argument, but it's not convincing.

Again, this is not what I am doing. I am taking the context in which the words were spoken and determining what was obviously meant. Also, CNN didn't say anything, a Washington Post columnist being interviewed on CNN said something.

I'm not even saying Putin is wrong, I just don't understand why you use his word as evidence as though he isn't a corrupt politician. I could link you to speeches of Obama making all sorts of claims that you would not take as evidence, so why is it different for Putin?

As far as FNA is concerned, I'm calling into question the reliability of a source, which has proven itself to be unreliable time and time again. They're the ones making these claims, yet provide zero proof and have no reputable news agencies corroborating the claim.

This is supposed to be an evidence thread, no? I think you have a misunderstanding of what evidence is if you think that cartoon is relevant.

If you think critical thinking is mental gymnastics, then I don't know what to say. I will gladly accept actual evidence and change my point of view accordingly. Having shifts in your point of view is only unnerving if you are an ideologue who consistently forces pieces of junk evidence to fit, just because they align with the way you currently see the world.

I'm not even saying you're wrong here, I'm not really interested in getting into a debate about that. All I'm saying is that you have not provided any sufficient pieces of evidence that come close to proving your claim.

As far as I know there isn't any 'smoking-gun' evidence that clearly shows that ISIS is a U.S. proxy.

But it's important to remember that "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence".

The problem with that notion is that I am not making a claim based on an absence of evidence. I'm merely explaining why the sources linked are not compelling pieces of evidence. The burden of proof lies with the person who makes the claim.

I mean, why would you believe in something for which there is no solid evidence? I could claim that ISIS is really funded by the Kurds to give them an opportunity to form their own state. Obviously there is no evidence for this, but absence for evidence isn't evidence of absence, so the claim is valid, right? Wrong.

Many influential theories do not have solid evidence, but it doesn't mean that it should be rejected. For example the theory of relativity did not have any solid evidence for a long time. Also, courts in the U.S. can convict based on circumstantial evidence when direct evidence is lacking.

But you are right, it is up to you to choose what to believe.

I think you missed the point I was making. I don't think the claim should be outright rejected, but you can't pass it off as fact without a satisfactory amount of evidence. OP is making the claim that the US is directly funding ISIS to fight a proxy war for them in the middle east. The evidence he provided for this was two YouTube videos that can easily be explained by slips of the tongue. Another piece was of a cartoon made by someone who shares his views. Another was of a leader of a rival political nation making claims that paint the US in a poor light. And finally a link to an uncorroborated story from an unreliable source.

Again, I'm not trying to claim the US foreign policy is for the good of humanity, freedom and democracy, or that they have never done anything immoral for the sake of their own interest. My point was solely to point out the flaws in the pieces of evidence that he presented. I could be wrong and Obama actually calls Baghdadi weekly for status reports. But I'm not going to accept that as truth based on the flimsy evidence that OP has presented.

Why do you need to rely only on OP's assertion and evidence? I don't think OP is the authority on this theory. You can read about these things on your own if you don't find OP's sources satisfactory.

But keep in mind that you don't have an obligation to.

Like I have said repeatedly now, I am not making a claim that OP is wrong, I am trying to explain why that evidence is terrible. It's like if this were a thread about global warming evidence, and OP linked to a picture with a drawing of the Earth with a fever, and then claimed that as evidence of global warming. I accept global warming as fact, but I would still call OP out for providing something as "evidence" when it is not.

The same applies here. The US does some shady shit all over the world. They have propped up dictators, funded coups, and violated other nation's sovereignty all for their own interests. Hell, they're allies with Saudi Arabia who lives under similar Islamic law as ISIS. I would say that the US funding ISIS at least indirectly is guaranteed after many reports(from actual reputable news agencies) have come out showing how once funded FSA fighters switched alliances to fight for ISIS, or of all the weapons ISIS has stolen from defeated Iraqi soldiers. So it really would not surprise me at all if there was evidence for OP 's claim. But that doesn't mean you should accept the evidence he provided just because it backs up your claim.

That's the problem with this sub, it has so much potential, but it has devolved into people upvoting anything that supports their own ideology, no matter how flimsy the evidence provided is. Instead of fostering actual discussion about the validity of said evidence, you get downvoted if you challenge it and don't go along with the hive mind. I really don't see how the people here are any better than the so-called "sheeple" who get their news from CNN and other mainstream sources. The only difference here is people assume that if it isn't mainstream it must be true. And that's about as far as the critical thinking goes on this sub.

Best of luck, hope you don't get discouraged. Constructive criticism can go a long way. But it's human nature to become defensive when someone questions one's belief.

When I see some evidence all address it why don't you go find some.

You on mobile? You no english good.

Youtube University brah, sounds like you need to get you some.

where at in europe? im asking because i so rarely get to ask the opinion of someone who isint from the US, UK or Canada. often times one can get valuable insight from an outsider.

I guess general opinion is like that.

It was West world fault and not US and others have lost control over its "baby" as most of command out there was trained by West counties.

You cannot ask a single anon person on the internet of the opinion of an entire population, unless you know the resulting answer will be biased and most likely misinformed. You're asking questions that you know cannot be answered

lol most people don't give a shit, if it ever got remotely close to a situation where power could be taken then out would come the police, then army.