I think the total opposite. Raves are where people go to let their mind wonder, whether aided by drugs or not.

Definitely this. Raves are essentially a way to get closer to our fellow humans through dance and music. It is more so our response to feeling controlled.

Agree with both of these comments. I was a raver back in the day and enjoyed a fair amount of pills while dancing my socks of. The thing is the majority of people are there for the same reason, to dance and to share something in common, music connects us all in one way or another. The added benefit of ecstacy that makes you feel euphoric and empathetic towards other people, especially added with dance music is nearly a spiritual experience.

Just my opinion on it.

All culture is brainwashing kids

Music festivals are a place where like minded individuals go to not be scrutinised for their counter culture ideas. Most promoters of music festivals hire acts that draw crowds. So if someone like pretty lights can bring in 20 thousand people, the promoter can charge 200 dollars a head, and with the money from ticket sales hire on other acts to fill time spots, and give local musicians more exposure.

Electronic music has for the most part stayed very much underground when it started popping up in places like Detroit, Germany, NYC, Goa, in the mid 80's and spread like wildfire. It is dance music, thats all. There is nothing sinister embedded in the beats. Some of it is designed to sound 'creepy' or 'dark'. But like any music it is listened to by people who can relate, or feel the music for what it is.

Lastly I've personally worked many gfestivals as a paid stage hand with stage/lighting/sound production. We have never worked with any band that attempted to brainwash their audience. Everyone (with the exception of a few people) were grateful and respectful. Because stagehand work is long, dangerous, and with limited pay. You do it because you love it, not because you have some sinister means to control people.

You realize raves have been around since the 80's right?

The mega raves and festivals of today are nothing like the raves in the 80s and 90s

You consider raves to be a recent phenomenon?

The 90s called, they want their thread back.

I was going to post in the opposite views column, but you won it. Raves have been around for a long time. Some have been infiltrated and some not. And my initial reaction to hearing what mdma is now called was pretty funny... Molly... makes me laugh. It wasn't always called that, right? At least not where wadis be...

As I understand it (raving days are long behind me) molly is 'pure' MDMA crystals, I tried some a while back and it didn't seem nearly as effective as the pills back at the birth of rave though and I did enough of it for a good dose, apparently. Maybe I'm just an old git now though :)

I think more filler is mixed with it now. And the shit kicker is that mdma in a topical ointment form is supposedly an excellent pain suppressant for real medical purposes. A Bengay on steroids.

I didn't know about that, very interesting. The Mexican Indians make a cream from weed that is the most effective pain ointment I've ever tried, they boil whole plant tops in vegetable oil until it turns dark green then candlewax is added until it acheives the right consistency for use. Damn good stuff.

That's pretty cool to hear. I did not know that! I think Big Pharma does a good job suppressing historic medicine.

Definitely, their profits will always come first, our actual health is an afterthought to corporate medicine. Hell, it pays them more to do half a job.

Especially when the side-effects of a medicine include the symptom it's supposed to treat. Double profits.

ROFL raves were so 1993 what is happening to the U.F.A.

Man this post almost triggered a flashback :) I miss the 90s...

Raves and such music events have always been 'popular', and there are theories about governmental agencies seeding drugs and testing new substances on those attending. And surveillance technologies are being tested in similar events, lately.

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Eezergoode.

Showing your age there geezer ;)

Move any mountain.

There's this band out there, they call themselves The Beatles. Makes the kids, especially the girls, go crazy. I don't trust em. Also, there's this fellow named Elvis Presley. Calls himself "The King." Who does that? He shakes his hips, all sexual like. They're brainwashing our kids.

People have been getting high and jamming out since getting high and jamming out were things.

So glad to see if there are other people out there who see this. Please check out my post np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/36xkrd/strange_happenings_regarding_edm_festivals_raves/

Definately makes sense, if its true. There could possibly be some sort of messages in the music, or someone could be using a certain frequency in addition to the music to manipulate peoples minds.

Yea i've never understood raves either. The beats and patterns and all that just seem a bit suspicious to me.

I think it's a lot better than mainstream media and the immense lies being told there. Love.... haha you think brainwashed with ideas of love and community is bad? Those kids are going to rise up and change this world. I hope their ideas in their youth stick. Unlike the hippies that blew an awesome chance and rejoined the ne-conservatives in their grindhouse of horrors.

Just like everything, moderation is key. As one who takes said drugs once, at most twice a year, it can really help put everything into a higher perspective that would not ordinarily be so apparent.

The problem usually comes to those who cant moderate it, and become addicted.

You ever go to a rave? They feel like ritual worship of an energy vortex expanding a message towards [a] power[s] that overrules us all.

I can't really condemn nor commend them. They're not for everybody. I'd go again though.

You must be like, pretty old or something. Like Jimmy over there =>