Dont think its flat, but it does suck that no one with less than 100 million can prove it with a rocket and camera, but if you ever get that 100 million you've probably already been corrupted.
When I say prove I mean in the most simple form not with math or science.
That's exactly why I question it. I don't think it's flat, could be something else. But we (independent from governments) cannot see/prove it ourselves.
Its hard to actually wrap your head around a round or flat earth. It has mountains and valleys and oceans. I sometimes consider how it actually looks without atmosphere, if you could have a 3d rendering of the globe and picture the lumpiness of it all.
not true, in a geocentric flat earth model the sun and moon still push and pull on the oceans. their sizes and distances are equal to one another, and effect the tides as such.
The gravitational attraction/centrifugal force of the sun/moon is what causes the tides. That doesn't prove the earth is a sphere. The Earth could very well be a different shape and/or larger than what they are telling us.
The Earth could very well be a different shape and/or larger than what they are telling us.
You'd have to reinvent the law of gravity to achieve exactly the same effect on a flat Earth. How exactly this law would have to look like I dare not even speculate, but it would be very far from the inverse-square, force-along-the-radius-vector law that so far has worked for us amazingly well.
I'm not saying the Earth is flat. Your reading comprehension is dismal. Furthermore, J.R.R Tolkien created a complete fictional world with language/math/science/etc in a book. Just because it's written in a book, doesn't mean it's true. Something, something, confirmation bias.
You'd have to reinvent the law of gravity for any other shape of Earth than spherical. You math comprehension is dismal. Furthermore, what the hell has Tolkien to do with this?
The point is, yea, the math works here. But I do not think the math/science on earth works in the universe (let alone proves anything). Math (imo) is not the language of the universe. How old are you on Saturn? It's all relative.
The gravitational attraction/centrifugal force of the sun/moon is what causes the tides.
Centrifugal force also points to the earth being round, IMO. Also I find it very hard to believe that high tide / low tide cycles could be predicted down to the minute with such variable forces as these.
We live in very consistent alignment. Things like the tides can be predicted because of how consistent/stable it is. The Earth/Moon/Sun setup is perfect. Which makes me believe in some sort of intelligent creation. That's a whole nother discussion. Now regarding the shape of earth, we could be a different shape while still orbiting, same with the shape of the Sun and Moon. The flat earth model does have holes in it. So, I do not think it's flat, however, the sphere earth model also has holes in it. At the end of the day, sadly we'll (general population) never know for sure.
While I do agree with you, that unless / until manned space travel is widely accessible, it will be very difficult to prove beyond a reasonable doubt what the shape of the Earth is, I think just by observing other planets in our galaxy, you can come to a pretty good hypothesis that our world is indeed round.
Just by observing other planets, which clearly all appear to be round, to me, it's enough to assume our own Earth is round.
I definitely do agree with you about intelligent creation too btw.
Observing any lunar eclipse shows that the edge of the Earth's shadow is round. Observing many lunar eclipses shows that the shadow - and hence the projection of Earth into a flat plane - is round independently on Earth's current orientation. And the shape that is round from any direction is called "a sphere".
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10 Kaisernegro 2015-11-20
No thanks.
2 obliteron 2015-11-20
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2 777dot 2015-11-20
Dont think its flat, but it does suck that no one with less than 100 million can prove it with a rocket and camera, but if you ever get that 100 million you've probably already been corrupted.
When I say prove I mean in the most simple form not with math or science.
2 jakub_h 2015-11-20
The world is indeed a sad place if people are actually asking for explanations that don't require them to turn their brains on...
1 Dysnomi 2015-11-20
With 100 million if just run an ad platform on social media until whatever I wanted was proven.
1 Rockran 2015-11-20
Here's one:
Sight a mountain or other large object.
Travel in the opposite direction for many hours.
Observe that the mountain is no longer visible, or has dropped a great deal in height (Due to now being beyond horizon).
1 777dot 2015-11-20
I guess what I really mean is that it's a bummer without a lot of money no one can't get a photo of the majority of the earth.
0 Dreadpirate3 2015-11-20
You don't need that much - a cheap weather balloon and a camera can do it almost as well, and has done so repeated times.
0 IntellisaurDinoAlien 2015-11-20
https://youtu.be/8M5KO3dE38U?t=3887
-1 Putin_loves_cats 2015-11-20
That's exactly why I question it. I don't think it's flat, could be something else. But we (independent from governments) cannot see/prove it ourselves.
2 getityetquestionmark 2015-11-20
Its hard to actually wrap your head around a round or flat earth. It has mountains and valleys and oceans. I sometimes consider how it actually looks without atmosphere, if you could have a 3d rendering of the globe and picture the lumpiness of it all.
1 toneii 2015-11-20
How would gravity work out without its forces related to circular movement?
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1 SovereignMan 2015-11-20
Rule 6. No caps lock. Removed.
1 Kaisernegro 2015-11-20
I didn't caps the whole thing, I was stressing part of the comment. Just imagine they're italicized words.
Also the earth's not fucking flat and this whole god damn thing is retarded anyway. But hey, the sun's flat and the other planets don't real.
1 LJC67 2015-11-20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsOz_J6tJVU this is interesting.
1 Ihopeitsround 2015-11-20
We live in a computer. It can be whatever it wants to be.
0 Freedom-Seeker 2015-11-20
Tide Cycles prove beyond a doubt the earth is round. If it were flat, there would be no high tide and low tide.
1 the_dingding 2015-11-20
not true, in a geocentric flat earth model the sun and moon still push and pull on the oceans. their sizes and distances are equal to one another, and effect the tides as such.
1 jakub_h 2015-11-20
I'm quite certain the effects would be measurably different.
-2 Putin_loves_cats 2015-11-20
How does that prove the earth is a sphere?
-1 Freedom-Seeker 2015-11-20
If the earth is flat, how do you have high tide and low tide? The earth is obviously rotating on its axis for this to happen.
1 Putin_loves_cats 2015-11-20
The gravitational attraction/centrifugal force of the sun/moon is what causes the tides. That doesn't prove the earth is a sphere. The Earth could very well be a different shape and/or larger than what they are telling us.
2 jakub_h 2015-11-20
You'd have to reinvent the law of gravity to achieve exactly the same effect on a flat Earth. How exactly this law would have to look like I dare not even speculate, but it would be very far from the inverse-square, force-along-the-radius-vector law that so far has worked for us amazingly well.
0 Putin_loves_cats 2015-11-20
I'm not saying the Earth is flat. Your reading comprehension is dismal. Furthermore, J.R.R Tolkien created a complete fictional world with language/math/science/etc in a book. Just because it's written in a book, doesn't mean it's true. Something, something, confirmation bias.
2 jakub_h 2015-11-20
You'd have to reinvent the law of gravity for any other shape of Earth than spherical. You math comprehension is dismal. Furthermore, what the hell has Tolkien to do with this?
1 Putin_loves_cats 2015-11-20
The point is, yea, the math works here. But I do not think the math/science on earth works in the universe (let alone proves anything). Math (imo) is not the language of the universe. How old are you on Saturn? It's all relative.
1 jakub_h 2015-11-20
Now you're making no sense whatsoever. If math doesn't work in the universe, why does the universe pretend that it does?
If you're saying math is not the language of the universe, you're a filthy creationist/intelligent faller.
0 Freedom-Seeker 2015-11-20
Centrifugal force also points to the earth being round, IMO. Also I find it very hard to believe that high tide / low tide cycles could be predicted down to the minute with such variable forces as these.
2 Putin_loves_cats 2015-11-20
We live in very consistent alignment. Things like the tides can be predicted because of how consistent/stable it is. The Earth/Moon/Sun setup is perfect. Which makes me believe in some sort of intelligent creation. That's a whole nother discussion. Now regarding the shape of earth, we could be a different shape while still orbiting, same with the shape of the Sun and Moon. The flat earth model does have holes in it. So, I do not think it's flat, however, the sphere earth model also has holes in it. At the end of the day, sadly we'll (general population) never know for sure.
3 Freedom-Seeker 2015-11-20
While I do agree with you, that unless / until manned space travel is widely accessible, it will be very difficult to prove beyond a reasonable doubt what the shape of the Earth is, I think just by observing other planets in our galaxy, you can come to a pretty good hypothesis that our world is indeed round.
Just by observing other planets, which clearly all appear to be round, to me, it's enough to assume our own Earth is round.
I definitely do agree with you about intelligent creation too btw.
1 jakub_h 2015-11-20
Observing any lunar eclipse shows that the edge of the Earth's shadow is round. Observing many lunar eclipses shows that the shadow - and hence the projection of Earth into a flat plane - is round independently on Earth's current orientation. And the shape that is round from any direction is called "a sphere".