WWII didn't end quite the way that you were told at home.

What's the conspiracy of how it ended? I mean I know how it started with the bankers and Bush and all but what's significant about the ending?

operation paperclip, also the use of 1000 nazis in the cold war.

Where can I get more info? I would google it but I prefer asking for info because Google turns up a lot of bad sources

try the library

Yves Beon, Planet Dora. Westview Press, 1997. ISBN 0-8133-3272-9. Giuseppe Ciampaglia: "Come ebbe effettivo inizio a Roma l'Operazione Paperclip". Roma 2005. In: Strenna dei Romanisti 2005. Edit. Roma Amor Henry Stevens, Hitler's Suppressed and Still-Secret Weapons, Science and Technology. Adventures Unlimited Press, 2007. ISBN 1-931882-73-8 John Gimbel, "Science Technology and Reparations: Exploitation and Plunder in Postwar Germany" Stanford University Press, 1990 ISBN 0-8047-1761-3 Linda Hunt, Arthur Rudolph of Dora and NASA, Moment 4, 1987 (Yorkshire Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament) Linda Hunt, Secret Agenda:The United States Government, Nazi Scientists, and Project Paperclip, 1945 to 1990. St Martin's Press – Thomas Dunne Books, 1991. ISBN 0-312-05510-2 Linda Hunt, U.S. Coverup of Nazi Scientists The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists. April 1985. Matthias Judt; Burghard Ciesla, Technology Transfer Out of Germany After 1945 Harwood Academic Publishers, 1996. ISBN 3-7186-5822-4 Michael C. Carroll, Lab 257: The Disturbing Story of the Government's Secret Germ Laboratory. Harper Paperbacks, 2005. ISBN 0-06-078184-X John Gimbel "U.S. Policy and German Scientists: The Early Cold War", Political Science Quarterly, Vol. 101, No. 3 (1986), pp. 433–51 Clarence G., Lasby Project Paperclip: German Scientists and the Cold War Scribner (February 1975) ISBN 0-689-70524-7 Christopher Simpson, Blowback: America's Recruitment of Nazis and Its Effects on the Cold War (New York: Weidenfeld & Nicolson, 1988) Wolfgang W. E. Samuel American Raiders: The Race to Capture the Luftwaffe's Secrets (University Press of Mississippi, 2004) Koerner, Steven T. "Technology Transfer from Germany to Canada after 1945: A Study in Failure?". Comparative Technology Transfer and Society, Volume 2, Number 1, April 2004, pp. 99–124 John Farquharson "Governed or Exploited? The British Acquisition of German Technology, 1945–48" Journal of Contemporary History, Vol. 32, No. 1 (Jan. 1997), pp. 23–42 1995 Human Radiation Experiments Memorandum: Post-World War II Reccruitment of German Scientists – Project Paperclip Employment of German scientists and technicians: denial policy UK National archives releases March 2006. "Objective List of German and Austrian Scientists" (Microsoft Word). Joint Intelligence Objectives Agency. Retrieved April 10, 2007.

Neat

See my comment in this thread, that gives you the gist of what happened after ww2.

Another Protip: Always read the stuff that is downvoted. The shills don't want you to see those comments most of all.

Downvoted this post to give it more credibility.

Just kidding; ;)

World War Two began in 1776.

Alright man you can't be so vague my conspiracy boner can't handle teasing

ISIS is a CIA/Mossad/Saudi creation meant to destabilize the middle east, and rationalize western intervention in Syria/Iraq, as well as justify more police state style measures in the US and Europe.

The end goal is total Israeli hegemony in the middle east, an Iran under control of central banks, and more control measures implemented on the general population in the west.

ISIS is the new bogeyman meant to get western populations to give up freedoms.

Mossad who operates ISIS actually wanted an attack to go off on the anniversary of 9/11, but their jewish operative who was organizing the bombing was caught by the FBI right before it was to have occurred:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/09/11/florida-man-plotted-sept-11-attack-in-kansas-city-fbi-says/

The recent attacks in paris were real, but the perpetrators were not ISIS, but french/western agents who killed real people and blamed it on ISIS, more information here (this website is fantastic for general information by the way):

www.jimstone.is

If you haven't figured it already, deception is the name of the game and the best trick in the book. You can see instances of this in real life as well, you wouldn't have to look too far.

Watched a video last night that showed through leaked CIA documents that we actively supported ISIS, at least in it's infancy, with the goal of overthrowing the current Assad regime. It wouldn't shock me if we weren't still supporting them.

Which one do you have a link? I'm not doubting you just curious

Well its simple if you look it at the most basic level... Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Very few are strong enough to use it for good it seems.

We are living in a manufactured reality. After ww2 the Nazi scientists moved to America (operation paperclip) where under CIA they architected the biggest propaganda machine known to man. In fact all new advancements in technology, TV, radio, internet were used to this end. We did not really go to moon, they knew they just had to show us grainy video and then most of us will believe. Then after convincing us the world is round and we are just mere coincidences, we would indulge in immoral ways without guilt. Look around you, we treat each other just like a bag of meat and are willing to trample your neighbour for some temporary monetary gain. We are being encouraged to feed the flesh, and kill the spirit. Will the spirit fight back? That is left to be known.

9/11 was another of the events they orchestrated so they can kick of PNAC (Project for new American century) where they want to expand out of the north american continent and establish their empire. What we see now is them clearing out parts of middle East that they can directly control. They want to destroy multiculturalism and alternative ways of life to establish a one/new world order. Do you want to be part of that agenda? If yes, then you become one of their shills that manipulate online forums and people via media, you are also rewarded handsomely with money. If no, you speak out on forums and to people in real life, but you don't have any reward and risk being ostracised in society, because humanity is quite like a herd of sheep, they like to follow the masses as it brings them a sense of security. The Nazi (or social) scientists know this very well, they also know which string to pull and when. For example fear is a powerful tool in their book. What we see via the war on terror is them instilling fear on the people to install a full fledged surveillance and police state. That will dawn in the new world order. We the masses can still stop them if we were aware of what I just told you, but most people are just like zombies - their minds are fast asleep.

We did not really go to moon, they knew they just had to show us grainy video and then most of us will believe.

It's actually almost certain we did go to the moon, but they faked the (classic) moon landing to the general public for numerous reasons.

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I didn't read through the entire thing to be honest, I just scanned through real fast must have missed it.

Not a smart thing to do.

Potato, potato for what /u/metabolix is saying.

Depends on what your point is.

The point is at the time, winning a Propaganda War was better than actually winning a legitimate space race.

I'm pretty sure we got there - but can subscrbe to the idea that it didn't happen as it was shown to us and not have my worldview crumble.

Does that make sense? The message is the last generation was lied to. Just like ours.

I agree 100%.

I highly doubt we went to the moon at all. If they did, they wouldn't miss any opportunity to thump their chests about it.

If they did, they wouldn't miss any opportunity to thump their chests about it.

This was already accomplished by the fake moon landings though.

Imagine if they found aliens on the moon (likely in all honesty) why would they destabilize their power base (religion) by admitting to the presence of aliens. It's counterproductive.

Imagine if they found aliens

So this is just an hypothesis. Religion isn't their power base. It is science. Science is the new religion and science will happily gulp down the alien Disinfo.

Religion isn't their power base. It is science.

Of course religion is their power base because the majority of people in the world are still monotheistic, and are easily manipulated by politicians appealing to these people. Look no further than the republicans.

Science is the new religion and science will happily gulp down the alien Disinfo.

Science is becoming a new religion in a way, but aliens are almost certainly real given the vastness of the universe, it's unlikely to be disinfo...

For your information, religion doesn't outrule the possibility of aliens or inter-dimensional beings. And another thing to note, if religion was used as a tool to control people, how do you explain the anti-religion movements throughout the last century and even this very day?

religion doesn't outrule the possibility of aliens or inter-dimensional beings.

Most religious people are monotheistic. And monotheism pretty much does actually.

And another thing to note, if religion was used as a tool to control people, how do you explain the anti-religion movements throughout the last century and even this very day?

Are you referring to systems such as communism that basically banned religion? It's just swapping out one control system for another..

Are you actually claiming that Islam doesn't make mention of the fact that Alllah created djinns or that Christianity talks about demonic spirits?

Seems like you don't know what religion is about. You assume that the existence of spirits defy God because apparently you hold those beings above or equal to God. Whereas God has created both djinns and humans.

demonic spirits? djinns

This isn't the same thing as aliens.

You assume that the existence of spirits defy God

I assume nothing.

apparently you hold those beings above or equal to God.

No, your problem is basing your belief system off of a system that makes the entire story of existence/reality an earth centric one. Aliens create a problem for that belief structure.

Remember I said "religion doesn't outrule the possibility of aliens or inter-dimensional beings."

I didn't just mention the existence of djinns, but also the possiblity that aliens exist. In the Quran it says:

• (Quran 65.12) Allah is the one who created seven heavens and from Earth like them (of corresponding type); [Allah's] command descends among them (heavens and earths) so that you may know that Allah is capable of anything and that Allah knows everything.

• (Quran 42.29) And from His signs He created the heavens and the Earth; and the land animals that He scattered in BOTH of them (heavens and Earth); And He is capable of gathering them (in one place) if He wishes.

Read and also watch the video linked below for a further explanation on these verses:

http://www.speed-light.info/islam_life_other_planets.htm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7yilbA0Mw4

You can google "Islam aliens" yourself if you want to read further into this. And besides all that, we are all thinking about a future possibility. This is all assumptions about if aliens exist. And now that you have seen that Islam does indeed not rule out the possibility of other life-forms living in other planets, hopefully you realize and accept that you have not done enough research into the religious view on aliens. Islam does not make the entire story of existence an earth-centric one.

Islam does not make the entire story of existence an earth-centric one.

Simply because islam leaves the possibility of aliens open (according to your interpretation) does not mean it isn't earth centric.

Monotheism....

I can't believe this. Even when presented with facts that go against your self-conjured statements, you refuse to change your view on it. You are not being open-minded. It is not shameful to admit you were wrong, on the contrary it reflects a strong personality. And judging from what you just wrote to me, you didn't watch the video either. Hey man I am not here to convince you of my religion. I merely point out that the things you suggest about it are factually wrong. The things I posted explain that.

I did not know islam left the possibility open for aliens.

I merely point out that the things you suggest about it are factually wrong.

It's earth centric still.

Not that it matters though, still monotheism. You want to talk about being open minded? Take a look at the core of your belief system...it's monotheism.

Well that's a good start at least :)

I believe Islam may not only just leaves the "possibility open" for aliens, but might even cleary state for a fact that they exist. As we see from this:

(Quran 42.29) And from His signs He created the heavens and the Earth; and the land animals that He scattered in BOTH of them (heavens and Earth); And He is capable of gathering them (in one place) if He wishes.

Now I am in no way a scholar and I could be wrong, but this can be interpreted as that if Allah wishes, he will 'gather' the land animals together. It's interesting to note that they are being refered to as 'land animals'. This may mean that aliens don't have to be the intelligent or human-like creatures we see and read about in science-fiction. Even a single living cell, a form of insect, or a larger animal that is living on some other planet would be considered alien.

This may mean that aliens don't have to be the intelligent or human-like creatures we see and read about in science-fiction. Even a single living cell, a form of insect, or a larger animal that is living on some other planet would be considered alien.

That's a stretch. The definition of alien would be a contradiction if that were the case.

You don't see a problem with monotheism though do you?

What is the definition of an alien?

Something foreign to known systems...

Tell me how the definition of alien contradicts the claim of how they can be merely simple unknown creatures living on other planets then?

1. You stated earlier than animals and beings on this planet could be aliens. This is false, due to the definition.
2. You don't understand what intelligence is, there is no such thing as a simple creature, every living system is tied to every other living system and intelligence arises from that. As someone who finds monotheism to be a solid belief system, you don't understand what intelligent systems look like in the first place. If you did, you would not be monotheistic.

Your basing your belief on just hypothesis supported by Disinfo. I would reconsider my beliefs if I were you. What you believe to be the vastness of universe could be a lie.

Your basing your belief on just hypothesis supported by Disinfo.

Why do you say that?

the vastness of universe could be a lie.

Anything is possible, why do you say that though?

Because space exploration is a lie. No superpower has crossed the perimeters of our atmosphere. India's much touted mars mission hardly produced a handful images, all grainy, all faked. If space exploration was real and of any scientific value, we would have much more than grainy videos and images you can easily create in photoshop and/or a studio here on earth, and /r/space wouldn't be a massive circle jerk of jokes that bans anybody critical of NASA and the space agencies.

PS: I have a bachelors in Aerospace Engineering. I know exactly how the industry works - through secrecy and compartmentalization. Any real inquiry into space science would not be shrouded by layers and layers of secrecy.

PS: see all the "topminders" spew insults for talking about the flat earth? These are the people keeping you from looking into it for yourselves, by thought policing here on /r/conspiracy. The same people used to do that about 9/11. A flat earth comment always brings them running.

PS: I have a bachelors in Aerospace Engineering. I know exactly how the industry works - through secrecy and compartmentalization. Any real inquiry into space science would not be shrouded by layers and layers of secrecy.

I'm calling bullshit.

ohh you would be so right... this shit is laughable flat eather nonsense!

"We don't have time for a meeting of the flat earth society" - Obama, your all truthful lord and master

Haha Obama my lord and master that's laughable, the mans a laughable premise. Try again there flat earther

space exploration is a lie. No superpower has crossed the perimeters of our atmosphere

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I have a bachelors in Aerospace Engineering

short course was it?

no, its wasn't even a course! It was a comic book

Well university courses usually are comical in that its akin to brainwashing and actually tests your ability to memorize, conform, and regurgitate everything you're told, than to be critical of it.

So then I take it that your degree in aerospace wasn't even achieved since well you find college laughable.

I graduated with a GPA of 3.33/4. But finding college laughable has nothing to do if you graduated or not. I graduated for other reasons and I still find college laughable. False equivalence bud.

From where, krusty the clowns clown college!

^ This is how the thought police, harass you to fall in line. Take note boys and girls.

Well clearly you didn't learn anything at clown college! Cuz your not a very funny clown!

Hows the brainwashing in the military going? I wonder if they ask you'll to spend your spare time on /r/conspiracy!

going pretty well actually, hell what am I saying its a blast, quite literally, definitely much better then being a an idiot that eats up all the conspiracy nonsense

If your life is so great, why do you find the need to spend time here on /r/conspiracy?

Our priorities are clearly different. I am fighting for the less fortunate, you are fighting for the opposite. Good luck in your fight, friend. I hope you find what you are looking for.

well the goal is to serve the people of the united states so I feel that is being accomplish whether is be me in the army or me being a cop

By following orders, fair enough. And my other question, why do you spend time here on /r/conspiracy? Is that also part of your service?

Uhh no why would it be part of my service? I'm a cavalry Scout it's a combat role, I get brought here from r/topmindsofreddit

Yep, lots of top minds join the army! Good stuff, anyway good luck.

4 years

4years studying the hows and whys something you think is impossible.

wow.

No, we study theories. These theories are still just theories accepted as truth until someone proved them wrong. So you have to have a inquisitive and open mind, or else even if a theory may not be wholly correct, we would never know. Such is the scientific method. So please don't take people who consider theories as facts, to know anything what they are talking about.

no one has ever shown any evidence to suggest the theories employed to reach space are in doubt.

Then after convincing us the world is round

You mentioned this in your initial post. Can you elaborate on this. Give me your unfiltered thoughts, I won't ridicule it. I agreed with the entirity of your post but was confused at this part.

I have studied this inside and out. I don't have time to elaborate. Look up jeranism on YouTube, he does a good job walking you through a new, open minded inquiry into flat earth. Even I thought it was crazy at first and thought it was all Disinfo, because of how absurd it is. But truth is stranger than fiction, do look into it for yourself. If you have questions, pm me.

lawlzzz this is the dumbest shit ive read all day! topmind indeed

Glad you had a laugh!

God damn right I did your shits laughable stupid

Hahahaha cool

So wait, you spent 3 years studying something you claim doesn't exist and/or isn't possible? You're saying every part of Aerospace Engineering that goes above the Karman line (100 km/62 miles height above sea-level) is just completely made up?

You have a bachelors' in armchair demagoguery and that's all.

So I've never understood, why would they lie to us about the earth being flat? Globe sales? So we can sell bouncy balls with the planet on them? Because hitler didn't like flat maps?

It's been fun watching you go downhill.

Watching a fellow human being suffer brings you happiness. This is exactly what i'm talking about. And in fact, my life has gone uphill, but whatever, you can carry on with your snide remarks if that is what makes you happy.

Suffer? Who said anything about suffering?

Based on your posts over the last months it's easy to see the direction you've been heading. Cheers.

Thanks for your concern. Cheers.

I had fun watching your votes go downhill.

-1 oh no!

Greed definitely belongs at the top of the list.

Globalization, Europeans who like being white = devil, China militarizing, individual rights are being eroded, the global state will dominate and create a hive mind society through technological progress, Transhumanism.

Data mining.

Imagine if they found aliens

So this is just an hypothesis. Religion isn't their power base. It is science. Science is the new religion and science will happily gulp down the alien Disinfo.

Your basing your belief on just hypothesis supported by Disinfo.

Why do you say that?

the vastness of universe could be a lie.

Anything is possible, why do you say that though?

"We don't have time for a meeting of the flat earth society" - Obama, your all truthful lord and master