Jubilee of /r/conspiracy.

1  2015-11-30 by Flytape

Not too long ago I found my personal beliefs in regards to state secrecy needing to be abolished, and the operations of this sub to be in minor conflict.

Where the utility of moderator transparency was achievable thanks to software developed by goldf1sh, I felt like we absolutely should implement that software here.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/37hglt/vote_inside_on_public_access_to_rconspiracy/

I have a similar proposition for you all now that I would like to call the jubilee.

Firstly allow me to preface my motives, intention and frustration behind this idea.

My motive is to let some pressure off before it builds up and explodes, my intention is that you will ALL see why our rules are shaped the way they are because of my frustration that some of us would prefer anarchy over order when it involves how this subreddit functions.

While I fully support our set of rules and understand the need for each of them, what I propose is a day each month of jubilee. Maybe something like the first and last day of each month... fall where they may, that our rules which don't require a change to automods config (Facebook links and account age) be suspended from 0001 on the last day of each month until 2359 on the first day of the following month.

This would be a rule free 48 hours that straddles the last and first day of each month. A jubilee of /r/conspiracy.

I expect that such an arrangement would be a festival of nonsense, but I would be dishonest if I didn't acknowledge that many users here whom I know to be regular loyal users desire such an opportunity to vent and post memes or call people shills etc etc etc.

This thread is purposed by me alone to guage community interest in a jubilee. None of this has been set in stone or even discussed by the mod team, this idea is in its infancy. I value your thoughts and opinions, your feedback is important here.

Kind regards,

Flytape

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Interesting... I suspect the outcome would be a thousand meme shitposts and shill accusations once the subs detractors found out about it. I'd be interested just to see what would happen though even though I think the rules are mostly justified and work in our favour.

I suspect the same but I can't help but listen to the little evil philosopher on my shoulder that says things like...

They tell us chaos would reign without the state's authority but we can't test that theory because of the state's authority.

The anarchism in me agrees, the conspiracist is more wary.

That's kind of the point of me posting this, sovereignman was beat to stitches over his post insisting that people follow the rules. A lot of people don't want the rules to apply to them, but they surely expect them to apply to "the shills/trolls".

You can please some of the people some of the time... The suggestion that commenters should undergo a months wait before commenting was my favourite, though I think two weeks would be more reasonable. Removing the sub from r/all would be my preference, so much stupid comes from that.

I agree with you 100%.

I would be fine with a month long wait for newbs. I see no value in /r/all except when we get an important piece of info into more people's minds.

Double edged sword though, as soon as one of the controlled-opposition subs see it they'll divert the topic and manipilate their 'truth' to the top to keep the kids from seeing any inconvenient opinions or actual reality.

What I'd be more interested in is transparency on just the top few threads. They seem to be hit the hardest.

I go into the thread and top comment is a glorious embodiment of /r/conspiracies sentiments boiled down in a well phrased, meaningful expression.

And then I come back a few minutes later, and the top post is utterly contrary to 99.99% of anything in this sub with a hundred up votes.

I don't think our rules or tools address this issue. It's not the case for most threads, but the ones that start to get notice, especially in regards to certain topics.

I can't but assume that brigading is happening.

If this sub brings to light a topic, then others should feel welcome to join in. But sticking a plausible deniability post right at the top of the thread devalues any attention that the thread generates.

Perhaps, we could make a feature or a heading of plausible deniability and condemn such posts to there?

The problem usually comes from being featured in r/all, the totes_messenger bot was removed from here to hide vote manipulation too though. We need our own brigade bot if anyone is a good enough coder...

Outline the functional requirements / behaviors of such a bot

I'm guessing it's something that can track comment scoring over time, like a revision history and then graph them out. This seems less like a bot and more like a firefox extension that puts flyout inline graphs next to username comment header or footer.

Not my area of expertise at all I'm afraid, the totes_messenger bot shows submissions that are linked to by other subs, how it does that I have absolutely no idea, sorry.

There's a sub dedicated to conspiracies that has no rules.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ConspiracyNoRules/

Newest post is 11 months old.

That nobody reads.

And therein lies the answer.

You're always trying to attack this sub-reddit one way or another.

Nobody asked for mods and nobody wants you deciding what we can and can't see. We can upvote and downvote for ourselves.

Okay well what I just proposed would be a test to see exactly what this subreddit would be like with no rules, like you seem to think would be superior.

So why exactly are you freaking out?

Opening up the sub-reddit to attack for 48 hours is only going to benefit those who seek to attack the sub-reddit.

However, that doesn't mean I side with the rules. Rules #10 and #11 are wide-ranging and vague enough that they could be interpreted to remove any undesirable post. And I've seen enough completely egregious post removals under those rules that I know this sub-reddit has become only slightly better than the rest of propaganddit.

Now you're talking.

How would you reword these rules if it was in your hands?

Any system can be exploited. Any time you give someone a judgment call you open the door for abuse.

I've been on discussion forums (in one form or another) for a couple decades now, and there's no forum I've seen that has survived a dedicated sustained attack. It doesn't matter what rules you create: there's an empire dominating this world and it suppresses the truth wherever it can.

I'm only here because of the size of the audience, but it's basically pointless nowadays. Reddit's algorithm requires 10 total points on a post within an hour to leave the new queue, and that just doesn't ever happen for any truth that's actually controversial.

I'm sorry but if you've given up then please don't shit on me for not having given up yet. All I perceive from you is flak when I was trying to give opportunity to people who seem disenfranchised.

Maybe I missed the mark, but when I asked you how you would do it... I really care! But you've nothing to offer me but more disenfranchisement.

Probably because your acting like we all assume controlled opposition and limited hangouts operate.

I disagree that I'm acting any such way.

Nope. Don't celebrate holidays. To me, it would be like having a holiday on the first day of every month, which was the only time when we could express emotions.

I also don't feel that the real people here would be the ones to take advantage of this holiday at all. The trolls and the shills would be the ones to take advantage of this to make it look like a really bad idea, so that it stays a holiday and nothing more.

I appreciate the effort though <3, but I won't be putting it on my calendar.

Thanks for the kind words, I agree with you.

I honestly don't see why we can't do something similar to this idea, similar to one i put forward some months ago, 'a free talk day'. Even if we did it once a month we could start an open thread via the automod where users can discuss what they want without having to abide by the house rules. Almost like an anything goes thread.

Sidenote:

This thread has -20 downvotes out of ~25 Total votes. It's not because the idea is bad, but because of who is presenting it.

Do you not see how this is a huge problem? Why is this very controversial moderator suggesting anything when no one respects him? You know he automatically gets downvotes just for existing because of his scandalous history. This should be a wake up call to you and others. No one wants anything to do with this guy.

the only wake up call is that 99% of the people who "have a problem with me" mysteriously have AE911truth links dominating their comment history.

You guys don't even try to hide it.

You really need to stop obsessing over me, and stop trying to turn every single conversation into how to get rid of flytape.

Can't you just ban them? Isn't what they do considered harassment and against the rules of this sub and Reddit? Even a temporary ban would be great as it would cool off the trolls and, if you're wrong and they're just regular users, minorly inconvenience them.

I can and I do, but I honestly don't want to.

These guys are bent out of shape because I don't subscribe to their particular 911 theory. I get it! Everyone wants to win the info war, but I'm unmoved by this particular organization and mostly because of the users here who subscribe to it and how they act towards others who don't buy it.

In a perfect world ALL 911 theories should be discussed here without people coming under assault for not signing up for the dominant one.

The one particular org that im talking about has created a toxic culture where they shun and attack people for discussing other 911 theories. This is fine and dandy within their own forum, that's their business there. But within this forum it creates conflict that doesn't belong here.

I am in favor.

Im all for a semiannual r/conspiracy purge. One day every 6 months is enough though.

i say just do it and see what happens. it would be a neat experiment and if people want to get things off their chest, let them and let he who can, read.

Yes, interesting idea. Certainly worth a shot, and if it works, it could become a fixture. If it goes tits up, we chalk it down to experience, no harm done.

I can only see a "this is why we can't have nice things" come from its implementation.

Fuck it. Down vote this post if you think we should have a jubilee.

I agree we should. Let's try it.

If anyone cares to comment, what good do you think could come of such a jubilee? And what harm could come of it?

first of all, calling it a jubilee is just gay. secondly, it would cause people to stop saying "this sub is under attack/ controlled OP/ censored. thirdly it would cause people to say "this sub is under attack/ controlled OP/ censored."

i guess my take home point here is do it, but dont call it a jubilee. and i want to go on record right now as being the first person to call it a JEWbilee. call it what it is: shitpost armageddon. i cant wait!!

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yes i know what a jubilee is, thanks though. that article explains it quite nicely, and i actually learned a little bit more about it. you get on upvote (in addition to this thread being upvoted). but all kidding aside, i think this is a good idea and could be both productive and entertaining. i hope you go through with it.

This is a carefully planted bullshit tactic.

Those in charge have manipulated 8chan and 4chan for years. They've done so with tactics like this but never so blatantly.

You don't need control to let you do anything that you aren't doing yourself.

I have no idea what you're on about.

Your solution to bullshit tactics by mods is not to address it headon, reasonably, but to plan a silly day per month of anarchy?

Why not address it. Why are you mad?

While I fully support our set of rules and understand the need for each of them

Oh you're not fucking mad, you're just a college student or something who thinks he's being clever. Bravo.

Get some perspective.

How would you go about it?

I find all accusations of racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia to be feelings in the face of facts. Races exist and do matter. Sex is a massive fundamental difference. Homophobia is natural and "transgendered" people are insane.

Guess my "slurs" (i.e. opinions) are the primary goal of what /r/conspiracy is eliminating, just like how the admins as a whole deleted /r/coontown because it was too unPC for showing black crime stats.

Even if you hate what I stand for. Ask yourself why /r/conspiracy mods are towing the same line as reddit admins.

Oooh thaaaats why it was deleted?!?! /s

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1tvmkw/why_rule_1_needs_to_be_changedclarified/

Maybe you should investigate my feelings on this subject before you crusify me.

Alright, you're fighting the good fight.

I just came into reddit after another working class week of work to see a change that supports college liberals who think identity politics and feelings mean more than anything else. On one of the few subreddits I thought was decent.

Whatever. This site is fucking dead.

The idea of a jubilee in this context isn't adding new rules. I'm not sure you even understand the idea. None of the rules would change, there would be a window of 'no rules at all'.

Regardless we plan on keeping this place decent, hopefully better than decent.

I got your idea, don't insult my intelligence. But that idea is bullshit and is ignoring the main point in the first place. Which was my point.

edit: I didn't even realize you were a mod til just now. That's how out of the loop I am. How do you justify rule #1?

How do you justify rule #1?

its a compromise between "no racism of any kind" and "let's talk about niggers all day".

I feel like this is a complete waste of time. You should never mention this to anyone again.

Likewise.

Lol nice edit.

Haha, the trolls are already showing the only flaw with this idea.

http://imgur.com/yooEzgN

Indeed they are.

Hilarious, can't beat a well thought-out argument.

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You don't read very well do you?

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then go away from me, you aren't required to follow me around and comment on things I say.

No. It doesn't matter how great the idea is -- flytape has the credibility of Hillary Clinton. How many scandals has he been apart of? Rofl

Why is this fly guy running this subreddit as if people trust him? He has the credibility of Hillary Clinton. How many scandals has he been apart of?

Seriously. Go away dude

Choo-choo!

Okay well what I just proposed would be a test to see exactly what this subreddit would be like with no rules, like you seem to think would be superior.

So why exactly are you freaking out?

I find all accusations of racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia to be feelings in the face of facts. Races exist and do matter. Sex is a massive fundamental difference. Homophobia is natural and "transgendered" people are insane.

Guess my "slurs" (i.e. opinions) are the primary goal of what /r/conspiracy is eliminating, just like how the admins as a whole deleted /r/coontown because it was too unPC for showing black crime stats.

Even if you hate what I stand for. Ask yourself why /r/conspiracy mods are towing the same line as reddit admins.

first of all, calling it a jubilee is just gay. secondly, it would cause people to stop saying "this sub is under attack/ controlled OP/ censored. thirdly it would cause people to say "this sub is under attack/ controlled OP/ censored."

i guess my take home point here is do it, but dont call it a jubilee. and i want to go on record right now as being the first person to call it a JEWbilee. call it what it is: shitpost armageddon. i cant wait!!