Or the FBI planted all of the evidence there...

They got angry and decided to just go ahead and start early.

I don't think they did it at all. They were most likely involved in some FBI setup and stopped cooperating and then were taken out.

I haven't seen any pix of dead bodies or blood at the crime scene. The government, the cops and the media have too long a history of lying for anyone to take their word without physical proof.

I haven't seen any pix of the dead victims at the original shooting scene.

it is very strange that we got pics of the concert hall from France after the shooting. The images of dead bodies in the bataclan was plastered everywhere, but not a single picture of dead bodies from this.

Where are the pics links please?

NSFL http://i.imgur.com/uTxUrUo.jpg

this was supposed to be a work christmas party this just looks like someone in a neighborhood in south central LA

Any video of the shoot out itself, besides the one where you hear cap guns and the 8 to 10 mph car chase?

false flag, its fake" arguments

No where do I see those words posted in this thread till now, and thats from you! Being that I'm in SoCal, myself and everybody here have asked the same thing, with all the helicopters flying overhead during the chase, wheres the footage? It was just a "here ya go" vehicle, body on the ground, than the narrative. O' by the way, you will never find the words "false flag" in any comment I've made, EVER!

Do you often believe things without being shown proof?

Uh, everyone claiming a false flag is doing exactly that as well.

Is it ok with you if we discuss whether it might be a false flag in the conspiracy sub? Thanks.

Is that rhetorical? Sure, feel free to discuss whether or not it MIGHT be but no one does that. It's immediately assumed it is, which is pretty ridiculous. And seriously hypocritical to shit on people who don't think it is when neither side has any evidence (actually evidence leans towards it not being but everyone calls that evidence 'shady'). Just because it's a conspiracy sub doesn't mean that everything is a conspiracy. This subreddit has become a joke in a lot of ways and this is most definitely one of them. EVERY mass shooting is deemed a hoax or a false flag. It's ridiculous.

I don't see it that way. I see that the sub is called conspiracy and that it is no surprise at all that every event is questioned and discussed as a false flag. Some people may jump to conclusions, that's fine, why does it bother you so much? I'm not sure why you have to get so emotional about it, just state your opinion and your reasons rationally, not insulting anyone, not engaging in arguments, and THAT would make this sub better. You are acting like the sub isn't made up of thousands of different people with different opinions but acts in unison. Now if you think so I don't know why you are here except to call the sub ridiculous.

I'm not getting emotional at all. I'm here to read opposing viewpoints and see if there's any rational evidence presented. There rarely is.

I'm claiming false flag because I've been shown no proof. We hear stories of mass murder with no photographic evidence of the crime scene.

A rather remarkable absence in the age of the ubiquitous camera.

You don't see the hypocrisy in that statement? You claim false flag because you've been shown no proof? That's not how it works...

I saw the photo of the man laying in a pool of his own blood in the street. It's out there if you look hard enough in the right places.

That's the "perp", according to the cops. I've seen no photo evidence of the crime scene itself.

Its actually posted on TMZ of all places. Hes laying there on his stomach dead in handcuffs.

We likely haven't seen images of the victims due to privacy laws.

Also showing a person on television without consent could lead to law suits.

Wait, are you saying that each and every one of those people on the street in the videos consented to being on TV? There are numerous "victims" in the camera shots shown at the triage, so unless they signed an agreement prior to getting shot, then you're saying they could file a law suit.

there was one video that the media apparently erased that showed victims being carried out. a bunch of firetrucks and armored vehicles, none with their sirens or lights on. And no ambulances.

How do you know the video was erased?

I don't know what happened to it. I saw it on a conspiracy site so the author is obviously crazy, but

http://winteractionables.com/?p=28206

if the video at the top of the page was actual media coverage of San Bernardino, then it is definitely fake. If there had been a shooting, all the emergency vehicle's lights would be flaring and there would be AMBULANCES, not just firetrucks and armored vehicles.

http://www.vice.com/read/a-fake-federal-air-marshal-was-caught-with-ton-of-ammo-on-long-island-vgtrn-1204

have any of you seen this? i heard this story on npr while driving before and couldnt find it on any major news site. 8300 rounds of ammo, tactical gear, fake badge

Good ol' Mikey back at it again.

That sounds like a hit man. He must have been making good money at it too.

why the fuck would u open up a severe criminal investigation under SEVERE observation to the public. in any, ANY, and i mean almost every single FUCKING investigation known to the U.S criminal justice program, you do not let bystanders step near a scene of investigation. it ruins all and any evidence that could be given in court or to the UN or to the public. It bifercates all and any implication that this was a planned attack on soil and not a planned attack from our soil.

Lol I don't think you know what bifercate means.

Nor how to spell "bifurcate"

to split into two. and i believe symmetrically. and yes i can have trouble spelling things some times thanks for the correction.

It's not a bug; it's a feature.

Honestly, if I'm taking a stab in the dark (and I am from the little we know), I would guess this was originally done by a foreign intelligence service to draw attention away from Russia's announcement on Turkey. Then these people were pinned in a cover up and used for everyone's own agenda in the end. Their story just doesn't add up, and without this, the focus would be on the very real issues going on abroad. Issues that are starting to make us, and many other countries, look pretty bad.

I like this theory, but...

Why go to such lengths to cover up such a weak peace of evidence.

I think the real conspiracy there could actually be the fabrication of Russia's Turkey/ISIS evidence (pictures of random trucks).

It's awfully convenient Putin just happened to run across this evidence so soon after the airspace incident.

Putin was sitting on the evidence waiting for an appropriate time to use it to his advantage.

What was weak about the evidence? I think it was good enough to warrant a high quality rebuttal. That isn't necessary now though, due to this.

it was done domestically to draw public attention away from the problem of christian, right-wing terrorists and so that it could build public support for a ground war in Syria.

Good job, you said the largely overlooked thing that is probably closest to the truth. We need more people in this world like you.

I can't possibly see how anyone could accept a new mother as a terrorist. There's no narrative to say the suspects did it. Maybe someone else did it and then the FBI blamed it on muslims? Or maybe it never happened.