President of Turkey spent 800 Million in taxpayer dollars last year on worlds largest palace and a personal jet. The story has been removed from Bloomberg
2414 2015-12-05 by sciportoon
This was here earlier and it was deleted so I'm guessing it needs more exposure. The Bloomberg page is 404'd with a pretty hilarious 404 message, I don't know if that the normal (site wide) one or not.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-11-04/erdogan-decorates-615-million-palace-as-presidency-cost-surges
The article in the link in the title links to the Bloomberg page as a source. Here's the caapypastrie for those of you who don't like opening new pages.
(ADVERTISMENTS)
ERDOGAN DECORATES $615 MILLION PALACE AS PRESIDENCY COST SURGES
06-Nov-2014
(Picture here)
Photographer: Adem Altan/AFP/Getty Images The new presidential palace, known as Ak Saray, or White Palace, stands on the outskirts of Ankara on Oct. 29, 2014
(Emphasis added)A palace four times the size of Versailles. A custom-built Airbus jet. Dozens of servants.
Since becoming Turkey’s president in August, Recep Tayyip Erdogan has turned this once-ceremonial post into a new seat of power that is transforming how Turkey is ruled -- and he’s making sure the seat in question has all the trappings too.
The new palace, inaugurated last week, was originally intended for the prime minister, and comes at a cost of about $615 million, the official Anadolou news agency cited Finance Minister Mehmet Simsek as saying. The Airbus jet cost $185 million, according to Simsek, after it was refitted with Erdogan’s own design specifications.
The largesse has drawn the ire of opponents who accuse Erdogan of tramping on the country’s political system, according to Atilla Yesilada, an economist at GlobalSource Partners, a New York-based consultancy.
The palace, which was constructed against court orders in a national park, shows Erdogan’s “increasing sense of being above the country he governs and the rule of law,” Yesilada said by phone. “Whoever criticizes Erdogan and the ruling elite’s behavior is labeled a betrayer of the nation.”
Erdogan’s office did not comment when contacted by e-mail. Erdogan told a meeting of the ruling AK Party on March 5 that “no one can prevent the completion of this building. If they are powerful enough, let them come and demolish it.”
Lavish Spending
As prime minister for 11 years, Erdogan presided over annual economic growth that averaged about 5 percent, better than most of his predecessors. That assures him of continued popular support, according to Anthony Skinner, head of analysis for the Middle East and North Africa at U.K.-based forecasting company Maplecroft.
Erdogan can count on that support, and his mandate as the country’s first directly elected president, while he “spends taxpayers’ money on lavish” furnishings for his office, said Skinner.
The new presidential pad, the AK Saray, or White Palace -- a play on the name of Turkey’s ruling AK Party -- was also designed, in part, by Erdogan. It has 1,000 rooms, green granite inlays, and washrooms with silk wallpaper, said Tezcan Karakus Candan, head of Ankara’s Chamber of Architects, which tried to stop the building work with 33 court cases starting in 2007. Mature plane trees in the grounds, which probably cost about $3,750 apiece to import, subsequently died, she said.
‘New Turkey’
The palace’s floor area of 289,000 square meters (3.1 million square feet) exceeds that of the world’s current largest residential palace, the Istana Nurul Iman palace of the Sultan of Brunei, which was completed in 1984 at a cost of $442 million, according to the Guinness Book of Records.
Erdogan has repeatedly said he would like to replace Turkey’s parliamentary system with a more presidential one. So far, his supporters have lacked the two-thirds parliamentary majority necessary to alter the constitution. Even so, Erdogan says he’ll be an “active” president by chairing weekly cabinet meetings, which former heads of states rarely did.
Erdogan has vowed to work closely with Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu who will use the former presidential residence for receptions. “The new Turkey should express itself with something new,” Erdogan said, referring to the plane and the other trappings of his office.
So what do you think people, is he trying to make a slick move to pay for (or hide) all his lavishness?
(FPEDIT) I just wanna say as a long time lurker that I love and respect this sub and its indomitable spirit. For all the shit that gets spammed here it is one of the last watering holes for new (and old) and interesting information that falls outside of politically correct mainstream narratives. Thank you for the dedicated people who make this place somewhat readable. And thank you to the people who are payed to be on here by the FBI or Englin AFB who respect their fellow citizens enough to give us a nod and a wink when we are looking down the right holes.
126 comments
112 karlomarlo 2015-12-05
I find it hilarious that despite the mountain of evidence as exposed at least in part by the American journalist (who was killed by the Turkish military), the western propaganda system can't come up with any lies more creative than "Russia accused Erdogan, but they are lying. Its really Russia who is supporting ISIS."
Wow... Our sad leadership can't come up with any lies more creative than that. How sad for them that their proxy war to take over the middle east isn't working out the way they planned. I guess world domination isn't all that easy after all.
7 musicmaker 2015-12-05
I know you are, but what am I? - foreign policy as formulated by a five year old
7 happiness_isawarmgun 2015-12-05
Brother, you need to go back about 30 years and start over if you don't see how they stacked the chess board perfectly for the killing sweep, right now.
This is all going according to plan, Putin took the bait and now he's fucked. Don't be fooled by their seeming incompetence, once the big false flag happens and americans call for blood, Trump will hand them the NWO and martial law on a silver platter.
6 aG_Infamous 2015-12-05
What was the bait exactly?
2 sciportoon 2015-12-05
"Fighting international terrorism"
5 aG_Infamous 2015-12-05
I'm just confused, how exactly is it taking the bait?
12 sciportoon 2015-12-05
Well I think happiness_isawarmgun is operating under the assumption that the war on terror is a never-ending battle against created enemies... so by getting involved he is walking into a quagmire that he cant easily untangle himself from.
4 aG_Infamous 2015-12-05
That makes a lot of sense. I just ask because the alternative to getting involved in the conflict is sitting idly by as these terrorist organizations wreak havoc in the region, so if Russia is "taking the bait" to me it seems like they're doing the only thing that they think they can do.
If this is indeed the plan of the masterminds behind this, and it pains me to say it, they really have done a quite incredible job of orchestrating such a situation to where no matter what Russia decides to do they lose.
I feel as if Russia's, and the rest of the non-Western world, only chance to win this war is for the American public to wake up as to what is going on. As it stands now Russia could put forth indisputable proof that the Turks are buying ISIS oil and as long as the state department releases a statement saying "no" a large majority of the American public will brush it off and attribute it to being Russian propaganda.
1 sciportoon 2015-12-05
Ya, I really hope people figure it out...
2 varianlogic 2015-12-05
Bankrupt Russia by sucking them into an endless war against Islamic terrorism.
1 AmlanceJockey 2015-12-05
Russia was already involved via Chechnya and the global oil trade.
0 happiness_isawarmgun 2015-12-05
CIA/Mossad/ISIS drawing him in, bombing the civilian jet, and we'll see how he responds to NWO puppet Erdogan shooting down his jet
2 aG_Infamous 2015-12-05
Why do they want Russia to enter the region?
6 LurkerOrHydralisk 2015-12-05
Aren't there mountains of evidence that ISIS is armed with American weapons?
Whose fault it is that they have them is arguable, but they are American weapons.
4 sciportoon 2015-12-05
I'm glad that ISIL doesn't have Lurkers or Hydralisks... we'd be screwed... I can still here the soundbite of the subterranean attacks....
2 BennyOcean 2015-12-05
If the mainstream news said that ISIS was using Lurkers and Hydralisks, most Americans would unthinkingly accept what they were told. I can imagine a conversation happening at the office the next day, "Hey Bob, I heard ISIS is using Lurkers, advanced subterranean weaponry, scary stuff".
1 jakemasterj 2015-12-05
Would this make Americans Terran or Protoss?
1 sciportoon 2015-12-05
Probably Terran's controlled by Protoss archons...
42 MKULTRA_Escapee 2015-12-05
https://news.vice.com/article/a-look-at-president-erdogans-opulent-615-million-palace-four-times-the-size-of-versailles
They cited the same url as the source. I wonder why Bloomberg dropped the story.
35 Denmark1976 2015-12-05
Bloomberg is another corporate controlled mass media outlet, they do as they are told, it ain't rocket science.
19 plato_thyself 2015-12-05
If you are diligent, you can find some very revealing articles on Bloomberg since it's designed for the business community and not the general public.
1 rebelcanuck 2015-12-05
Same kind of deal with International Business Times I believe.
4 lolsociety 2015-12-05
Abbey Martin had done a huge investigative report on some shady practices of a certain country. When she was ready to air it, CNN wouldn't let her because they were receiving money from that country. The next time she was live on the air she just exposed them for it and rage quit/was fired. Odds are pretty good Bloomberg receives money from Turkey, and was asked to remove it.
2 Findout246 2015-12-05
That was not Abbey Martin, that was Amber Lyon.
1 lolsociety 2015-12-05
Shit I always mix those two's names up, you're right
-41 [deleted] 2015-12-05
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13 sciportoon 2015-12-05
The evil of all men is in their ignorance, that's why Baphomet wants to share the light of knowledge with you. lol. But seriously, we are on the internet slinging speculations around about real world problems that we find unsatisfactorily resolved, of course we are sure of our selves. There are no social pressures to conform to other peoples ideas on the internet because there's (usually) no real world consequence one way or the other. We are in fact very unsure about our theories as individuals which is why we are always looking for new evidence to support our outlandish and un-airtight theories. We enjoy life because its better than letting all of the negativity absorb you, some even get a joyous laugh or two by reading outlandish theories that may (or may not) have some nugget of truth. As some guy once said "It's the hallmark of a healthy mind to entertain an idea without letting it consume you." or something like that.
2 curiouscorncob 2015-12-05
This should be on the sidebar.. At least it encapsulates pretty much the tenet of every other non extreme conspiracist.
9 sanistrofus 2015-12-05
So you'd rather stay in the rain and convince yourself that you're dry because it's more comfortable?
8 RedditIsPropaganda23 2015-12-05
Power corrupts.
4 illuminate_thy_nati 2015-12-05
Ignorance is bliss... No wait, ignorance is ignorance.
3 bananashammock 2015-12-05
Evil is a subjective label, but "leaders" in general have historically been more than willing to sacrifice their own subjects/citizens/countrymen in the pursuit of their goals. This is an obvious fact of the matter.
3 x0diego0x 2015-12-05
It is depressing.
16 johnnight 2015-12-05
They scrub articles from their system, whenever someone powerful enough demands them to. This would be the second case that I know of.
Erdogan has repeatedly threatened businesses and persons whose speech he did not like with banning from Turkey. He does it over simple things like that national Turkish drink, etc. So threatening Bloomberg's business in Turkey over criticizing his palace is not unusual.
5 Lo0seR 2015-12-05
Murdoch owns part of Vice , strange?
3 varianlogic 2015-12-05
"Hey, we should create an 'alternate' news media source so people think they're getting in on some juicy secrets"
26 DronePuppet 2015-12-05
Even the waybackmachine scrubbed it.
I found a text copy of it! - Link
Here is another post on the story - Link
Oh a photo - Link
I found that pages comments - Link
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4 NakedArsenal 2015-12-05
Lol what world do you live in? So what do you have to say about Israel? I'm genuinely interested. They are a NATO member that receives billions in foreign aid, billions in weapons and supplies, and currently kills off thousands of Palestinians. ...but please continue to be mad about Turkey. A country doing what our politicians do every day.
1 amywinehousewascool 2015-12-05
Israel is absolutely no member of NATO. What world do you live in?
0 NakedArsenal 2015-12-05
Member no member the point is irrelevant when they still get aid and weapons you cunt
-1 musicmaker 2015-12-05
lol I live in a world where I don't want to be obligated to defend a NATO partner which is led by a corrupt egotistical out of control autocrat. The man is pathological. Oh, I feel this way about Erdogan too, not just Netanyahu. Feel silly yet?
1 NakedArsenal 2015-12-05
No I never feel silly. I just feel like this world will change once we move our economy forward. We do that by changing the money Ya see? Negative interest rates make the paper worthless. So the greedy fucks that squabble for it can squabble. The rest of us will care about each other and personal possessions. Complete paradigm shift so go ahead and explain society but don't get stuck on one idea. But free energy, no wars, world peace, different work are sure to follow.
2 musicmaker 2015-12-05
I hope you're right.
1 NakedArsenal 2015-12-05
I am the answers are all around us. The system is collapsing on itself that's all the problems you see today.
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0 musicmaker 2015-12-05
Erdogan is an arrogant out of control despot who runs to mommy to intervene after slapping his older brother across the face. Being a NATO member means we are obligated to militarily defend the asshole.
1 varianlogic 2015-12-05
Do you think the US isn't also "obligated" to defend Israel, Saudi Arabia, or even Egypt if necessary? They're in NATO because that was the way to draw Turkey into the web, the others are just dealt with in different ways.
2 musicmaker 2015-12-05
Israel, Saudi Arabia and Egypt, not being part of NATO, are dealt with in different ways. It's just that with Turkey, being a member of NATO, obligates other member states to rush in to defend it. It would send a signal of weakness to not do so. It is easier to stay out of a conflict involving a non-NATO state.
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0 musicmaker 2015-12-05
NATO is a treaty whereby you agree to militarily defend each other. I don't want to have to defend that madman.
1 [deleted] 2015-12-05
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1 musicmaker 2015-12-05
I am expressing my opinion within the democratic country where I live. Democracies are made up of collective opinion. If the majority of my countrymen are of a similar mindset, then the leader of my country would express to our NATO partners the will of our citizens. Likewise, the same goes for the other NATO countries. If the majority of their citizens find Erdogan to be too loose a cannon for alliance in NATO, their leaders would have to change Turkey's status. That's how democracies work. I guess you don't feel very empowered where you live. Where I live, collective opinion matters. I was merely expressing my opinion.
1 Aydin1 2015-12-05
What a fruit loop. The policies of NATO aren't created by you. NATO's policies are drawn to protect NATO countries. It's in the interest of NATO for Turkey to be a part of it.
1 musicmaker 2015-12-05
I live in a democracy. My government is part of NATO. I am expressing my opinion within this democratic framework. You seem to like ad hominem attacks, so here's one for you. Go fuck yourself, asshole.
1 Aydin1 2015-12-05
<sarcasm> I'm sure you're fully qualified to be writing up policies to be implemented by NATO </sarcasm>. Get over yourself.
1 musicmaker 2015-12-05
I expressed an opinion. Read it. Don't read it. Like it. Don't like it. Either way - go fuck yourself.
11 SamX17 2015-12-05
The man is drunk with power, viewing himself as a divine gift to Turkey, under whom Turkey has seen unprecedented growth in several areas. I think he almost feels justified the money he spends on account of everything he has done and will do for the country.
I almost feel like he won't give up his position and may go on to declare himself king or caliph, upon the reestablishment of the caliphate that they are working so hard to get back.
1 Aydin1 2015-12-05
Hardly drunk with power. Everything he does is scrutinised. Haters gonna hate I suppose...
9 sciportoon 2015-12-05
Heres a comment from the original Bloomberg article
"Erdogan is the embodiment of unmannerliness. He wasted the money of Turkish people for this 100% illegal building. He is full of hatred. He wants to take vengeance on all the founders of modern Turkey, to start with Ataturk, and the people who try to follow the principles of Ataturk. This building, which is nothing but a way to satisfy Erdogan’s ego, was built in the middle of the Ataturk’s forest/farm, where Ataturk himself had planted the first trees working as a gardener. The choice of the presidential building at that particular spot is so cheap and common. Erdogans show off turned into a rip-off.
Only one example: During Erdogan’s regime more than 5000 mine workers were killed due to inadequate facilities and conditions in the mines (during the last 12 years). His and his party’s reaction was: “That’s God’s will. You can not do anything about it.” The poor mine workers were even told to bring their lunch from home and were not served any food in the mines. No recreational areas! They were not even allowed to go “up” to the fresh air during their lunch break. They had to eat their food like rats and alike under the ground. Serving food or transporting the workers to the fresh air would be too costly! Yet Erdogan’s gov’t could find money for that peculiar building. The ex-president of Turkey, Mr. Gul, from Erdogan’s party, is still allowed to use the presidential residence which is situated at a most beautiful spot on Bosphorus. He is there since the last presidential elections (August 2014). He has 50 servants! Not to mention the other people working for him. He is not the president anymore. Who is paying all this? Turkish government! Yet the government “does not have sufficient funds” to improve the working conditions of the mine-workers as mentioned above.
This would have not happened in any democratic country in the world. Besides, the democracy in today’s Turkey is very debatable. Erdogan won the elections with the votes of the uneducated people, who were trained to believe what they hear rather than what they search and learn. This was a well orchestrated plan since 1950’s. Due to an official poll, 1 out 16 Erdogan supporters reads “only one book per year” whereas the other 15 simply do not read anything (besides newspapers). (The average number in the entire population: 1 book per 9 capita per year.) That is why when Erdogan speaks to the other politicians in a very ill manner, or bangs on the table and slams the door leaving the studio during a live TV round-table, or tells his people how many kids they should have; what they should drink instead of alcohol; what kind of theater plays are “suitable for a religious youth”, those ignorant idiots see him as a hero and a saviour and vote for him. Because they need to have a politician who should decide for them and dictate them what they should do. (Erdogan still does not understand why many people call him a dictator) Erdogan had repeatedly said in the past “Democracy is not a goal to reach but a means (vehicle) to reach your goal. As soon as you reach your goal you step out of it”.
What else would you expect from such a man?"
Once again, not my words, but an interesting perspective.
8 sanistrofus 2015-12-05
The article is still up if you pay for a bloomberg terminal.
Here's the info on the reporter if anyone wants to question why the story was pulled from the website:
4 sciportoon 2015-12-05
Thanks for the info, I'm a bit shy but maybe someone else wants to respectfully contact them... maybe get an AMA from a journalist on here.
5 denmaradi 2015-12-05
Still not as expensive as Buckingham palace (among hundreds other palaces across Europe) which is worth at least $1.5 Billion. Seems like Turkey is the poorest NATO ally.
8 Cruxis87 2015-12-05
But aren't they, like hundreds of years old, with maintenance? And aren't they better classified as castles and not palaces?
1 Middleman79 2015-12-05
Buckingham palace needs 100's of millions spent on it to bring it up to scratch. The royal family are on a media splurge to try and convince the impoverished UK populace that they should be allowed this money to fix up the palace because they are still relevant.
0 denmaradi 2015-12-05
So what? They all are tax funded and public liability in this horrendous economy.
4 DonDavio 2015-12-05
So prime London is worth more than (illegal) Turkish national park, per square foot?
2 cougfan335 2015-12-05
Yeah I'd bet developers would pay a lot more for the land without Buckingham palace on it.
1 denmaradi 2015-12-05
Are you suggesting the average European supports these overpriced castles in this economy? If they don't then extorting tax for maintaining these humoungous moments is also illegal.
3 karmashakedown 2015-12-05
You don't seem to understand the difference between worth and cost.
Stonehenge is probably worth millions upon millions of pounds, if not priceless. It cost a few thousand man hours and some free rocks.
1 denmaradi 2015-12-05
You must be a dummy to even compare the two. Palaces exude wealth and life style vs an abstract architecture
1 karmashakedown 2015-12-05
Buckingham Palace is not "expensive", although it is "valuable". It and the land it is on was paid for centuries ago. The upkeep cost is marginal, compared to spending $800 mil on a new palace built in 2015, and then the cost to upkeep the new palace. That is expensive.
2 denmaradi 2015-12-05
Buckingham palace is just one of many in Britain. If one thing I have learned is that, mega/ultra rich people never pay fair share of their taxes.
0 varianlogic 2015-12-05
Buckingham Palace was also built in an era when it wasn't controversial for the government to make its citizens pay for stupid things, whereas it's clearly inappropriate in 2015 and Buckingham Palace would not be constructed now if it wasn't already there.
2 denmaradi 2015-12-05
How do you know that?
5 finreddit 2015-12-05
http://www.bloomberg.com/photo/erdogan-decorates-615-million-palace-as-presidency-cost-surges-/-i0aUtSUJn77s.html
they forgot to remove
1 [deleted] 2015-12-05
curious how you found it?
3 [deleted] 2015-12-05
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1 [deleted] 2015-12-05
duh. thank you. :)
4 Fantomfart 2015-12-05
Unlike Hussain and Gadaffi, this bloke will no doubt have the foresight to purchase an island and have firm escape plans in place when the inevitable pitchforks come out to play.
3 meat_for_the_beast 2015-12-05
Photos of palace in this article by The World Post
Video tour of the palace
Telegraph/BI posted Turkey's New Presidential Palace Is Absurd
I didn't realize how bad their president was flaunting all the money they are making...
1 Middleman79 2015-12-05
Isis oil is profitable.
3 just_a_thought4U 2015-12-05
Or, how about his family's oil shipping business... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-releases-proof-turkey-is-smuggling-isis-oil-over-its-border-a6757651.html
3 [deleted] 2015-12-05
Why wouldn't you just link to the dozen other articles that talk about this instead of linking to two broken articles and making a big deal about it.
Here is actual proof:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2014/oct/29/turkeys-new-presidential-palace-unveiled-in-pictures
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30061107
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_Complex
1 sciportoon 2015-12-05
I thought the Bloomberg 404 page was funny and the original post that linked the removal on reddit was deleted.
1 [deleted] 2015-12-05
I see, well you know the media...
Always covering up for the government's their supposed to be watching
2 mymorningjacket 2015-12-05
What a lot of people aren't talking about for whatever reason is Turkey's control of fresh water going to the middle east and their competition with Iraq over control of the water. Does anybody think that has anything to do with anything?
1 sciportoon 2015-12-05
That's something I hadn't really heard of or thought of, although I'm sure Nestle is involved in some way.... Make a post about it!
1 [deleted] 2015-12-05
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1 sciportoon 2015-12-05
So do you want to explain your comment?
1 billdietrich1 2015-12-05
Looks like Bloomberg may have just moved it to another one of their sites: http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-11-05/turkey-joins-the-big-palace-club
1 fearthesloth 2015-12-05
Mexican president Enrique did the same thing Haha funny he has a much nicer airplane than Obama
4 sciportoon 2015-12-05
The Mexico rabbit hole is deep like a cenote ... Its scary that we are more worried about shit in Syria than our super corrupt southern neighbor...
1 AiwhaBait71 2015-12-05
Im sure he used it to go find his precioussssss
1 shmegegy 2015-12-05
Maybe they want to be 'arab spring'ed too.
1 Fig1024 2015-12-05
just curious, how much is the White House worth? and what's the price tag on Air Force 1?
1 sciportoon 2015-12-05
Google is your friend,
If it was for sale, the White House is estimated to have a selling price of $320 million, according to the real estate website Zillow.com.
Air force one-- $ 390 million U.S. Estimated*
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/03/29/military-planning-to-spend-billions-on-new-air-force-one/
So its certainly alot, but from initial estimates it looks like our plane/building combo only comes to 710 milloin
1 [deleted] 2015-12-05
Lol. This is how most art is created. Behind the blood and sweat of thousands of citizens.
1 Rotundus_Maximus 2015-12-05
it's even been removed from the way back machine.
https://web.archive.org/web/20150629175053*/http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-11-04/erdogan-decorates-615-million-palace-as-presidency-cost-surges
1 bloodguard 2015-12-05
Just so glad that the idiots in congress from both parties have sent 19 Billion tax dollars to these corrupt and dangerous nutters since 9/11.
1 Momijisu 2015-12-05
Is this bigger than the people's palace in Romania?
1 funknut 2015-12-05
Thank you to the people who follow more closely than I, taking note of details I might have missed, even posting good content. I'm curious, why Edwards AFB specifically? I suppose FBI lurking is a given, but why Edwards?
1 sciportoon 2015-12-05
I think I meant Englin air force base, they supposedly make up like half of reddits traffic of something... https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1fam9n/in_case_you_have_forgotten_the_us_government_uses/
I will edit it.
1 Aydin1 2015-12-05
Wonder how much the white house cost ?
1 tacos_pizza_beer 2015-12-05
Are you serious?
1 justgotpayed 2015-12-05
It's spelled "paid".
1 sciportoon 2015-12-05
LEYES
1 MeatRocket23 2015-12-05
I hope to see some cruise missiles and JDAMs level the shit out of that palace in the near future.
1 saurongetti 2015-12-05
He thinks he is Caliph of Ottoman Empire. He is being cajoled by Western leaders into believing he can reclaim Ottoman golden age.
Ottomans were used to put wedge between Islam and Orthodox Christianity who will near end times (Armageddon) will make an alliance with real Muslims.
The crimes of Ottoman Empire was;
Currently Turkey is up to its old tricks since Russia is defacto center of Orthodox Christianity and Erdogan is the man for the job.
For the record I am Sunni and believe real Islam is hijacked by these goons to wage Yankee Jihad all over the world.
2 sciportoon 2015-12-05
Wow, thank you for a well formulated reply. I think that people definitely miss some of the larger historical and cultural contexts of the world stage. Its painfully obvious and not too often discussed that most people waging violence across the world are not motivated by a noble cause but self interest and conquest. Through the open exchange of ideas we can hopefully change the world for the better and maybe Armageddon wont be so bad...
1 fusuytres 2015-12-05
This palace not owned by Erdogan, build by government with taxpayers money , owned by turkish people and it will stay there for next president and next and next.
1 sciportoon 2015-12-05
I get that, but whats the deal with building it on someone else's sacred park or whatever?
1 fusuytres 2015-12-05
Someone else park!! Land was belong to the government. It is in the national park.
0 RichardBlocker 2015-12-05
One of the world's most prominent war criminals and terrorists in charge of such a strategic country? Yep. Coincidence.
0 furrowsmiter 2015-12-05
He's gunna git hisself assassinatered.
-1 badsingularity 2015-12-05
Putin spends Billions on a palace. Who cares. Nice try Russia.
2 sciportoon 2015-12-05
I probably wouldn't have posted this if it wasn't for the deletion of the original thread and the funny 404 from bloomberg. But I would be down to read about how Putin spends Russian Rupees.
2 badsingularity 2015-12-05
Just search for Putin's Black Sea palace. Apparently paid for with illicit State funds.
1 sciportoon 2015-12-05
Wow, well it deserves its own post man. This is interesting, Construction of "Putin's Palace" - estimated cost of construction $1 billion, sold by Nikolai Shamalov for $350 million to Alexander Ponomarenko in 2011. That's quite a deal!
0 zeropoint357 2015-12-05
It would get downvoted to oblivion by the Putinbots. Putin can lift cars and singlehandedly saved the tiger from extinction while fighting the NWO blah blah blah.
1 sciportoon 2015-12-05
Well you could at least make some memes :)
-4 dolmakalem 2015-12-05
Western media is butthurt about the palace because it is bigger than theirs. How fucked up is that? Is there a rule like "you can't build bigger palace than British or French one".
I hate Erdoğan but really, fuck you. Yes, we have bigger palace than you and we paid for it.
2 sciportoon 2015-12-05
So are you living in Turkey then? Care to elaborate on how the world is perceived through your countries filter?
1 funknut 2015-12-05
This isn't personal, it's just watchdogging. The world is watching. Erdogan was much more respected earlier on, even often compared to Ataturk, but now his government is more often implicated in serious corruption and this story is just a small piece to the puzzle. This isn't Western vs. Eastern hemisphere, EU vs. Turkey or even USA vs. Turkey. Our nations are allies and we're just observing how this relationship plays out from the sidelines, like bored housewives reading about the latest Hollywood affair.
-4 Ags_me_69 2015-12-05
How did all off reddit suddenly turn anti-turkey ouf of nowhere lmao, has jidf found their new target?
1 sciportoon 2015-12-05
How do you perceive this article as anti-turkey? If I criticize Obama am I anti-american?
0 Ags_me_69 2015-12-05
Did I say this article was turning anti-turkey? Whole of reddit is but its obvious where the "media" has their shoes on nowadays
1 sciportoon 2015-12-05
You, did not. I apologize, I assumed you were generalizing about the people commenting on this article in particular, since they are part of "all of reddit", my mistake.
-5 AslanFatih92 2015-12-05
This is hating on Erdogan because you want to hate on him. Turkey's presidential House was small, old and ugly. Turks also deserve something like the White House. Plus, the palace will stay there for the next presidents, it is not of Erdogan, it is the property of the public. Turkey's president and prime minister didn't have a dedicated airplane. The US president does have the Air Force One. Now the Turkish government has one for their president too.
I really don't see any problem besides truly hating every action this man does. I agree that you criticize his politics, but this is really getting ridiculous.
2 franciswsears 2015-12-05
Erdoğan needs a big palace to hide all the money he and his family have been stealing.
2 sciportoon 2015-12-05
We haven't yet hated on him, we are speculating about why the bloomberg article is being pulled now that Russia is accusing Ergielicious of being aligned with jsil...
-1 BrokenRetina 2015-12-05
I bet you that if someone were to build a 418,000sq ft house it wouldn't cost over half a billion dollars.
1 varianlogic 2015-12-05
I watched the "official video" showing it off and it seems to me that buying all that art must have inflated the price quite a bit. Not that that's any excuse for wasting people's money.
3 varianlogic 2015-12-05
"Hey, we should create an 'alternate' news media source so people think they're getting in on some juicy secrets"
1 sciportoon 2015-12-05
Probably Terran's controlled by Protoss archons...
1 rebelcanuck 2015-12-05
Same kind of deal with International Business Times I believe.
1 Aydin1 2015-12-05
Hardly drunk with power. Everything he does is scrutinised. Haters gonna hate I suppose...
1 Aydin1 2015-12-05
What a fruit loop. The policies of NATO aren't created by you. NATO's policies are drawn to protect NATO countries. It's in the interest of NATO for Turkey to be a part of it.
1 Middleman79 2015-12-05
Isis oil is profitable.
1 sciportoon 2015-12-05
Well you could at least make some memes :)