About 10 years ago I was on a tour of the SB courthouse and sat in on a trial where a guy shot a man on the street for asking for a light. No other dialogue according to eye witnesses. I'm not saying that this is commonplace or that SB crime stats haven't gotten better since then, but the crime stats for the area are still well above average for the nation in homicide and violent crimes.

And for the record, I'm not saying not to investigate. I 100% agree that they're fine if they "dont start shit". I'm just saying that harassing family members of the victims or being extremely disrespectful of the situation will more than likely be viewed as starting shit.

Im not saying dont investigate. I'm just saying to be careful if you do. Go look up crime statistics for the area. Violent crimes and homicides have been trending (heavily) downward over the last ten year or so but it is still above average compared to nationwide crime statistics.

Like I said in the OP, I'm not really following this super closely and I'm not actually in SB itself, I'm in a nearby town called Yucaipa. So I have not seen any investigators but I have no idea what kind of a profile they are keeping.

I dont really believe the government did it story either because I dont believe for a second that the Govt could actually organize something this large. I never underestimate the power of ineptitude. But as I said in the OP, I dont really want to discuss the theories. I was just putting a general warning out that people should be aware of the area that they are heading to if they want to investigate this in person.

Realistically, how many people would need to know they were covering something up in this instance? I've heard people claim that every single media outlet is on board with the cover up. How many first responders? Many of whom are loyal to their area and untrusting of the US govt. How would they keep all those people on the same page and/or bribe all of those people? Ive worked with Government entities as a contractor and they are almost always the least efficient of my clients. Not for profits, corporations, everyone runs things better than the government. No matter what level of government people work with they always seem to have the same stories of inefficiency and bureaucracy. I have 0 faith in the govt to pull off something that organized. I often joke that the people with the most faith in the govt is conspiracy theorists. If you really think about the dedication and man hours that would be required for most conspiracies, its pretty absurd.

But now I'm doing what I said I didn't want to do. I dont want to argue with you. If you choose to believe that stuff then that's your choice. Im not judging you for it. I even admire you for wanting the truth so badly, even if I think your logic and methods are flawed. Im still impressed and hope that if there is something to uncover that you do so. If that kind of things exists then I hope someone exposes it. Im just trying to champion the idea that you can investigate those things safely and without harassing people.

If you go through my post history, I've never posted to this sub. I laugh at things to myself. That's what I mean. I'm not here to try to make you guys feel bad or make fun of you. I just find certain things on here absurd to the point that its funny. Imo that's not shitting on your theories but to each his own.

Tbh, I dont care it its a shit post or if you care about what im saying. I just have a sneaking suspicion that I'm gonna see a headline within the next few years about some idiot getting himself killed by doing the same type of shit that happens at Sandy Hook. This is literally the least I can do to stop that from happening but I'm still doing it. Hopefully people use their good senses and aren't assholes when they investigate this stuff.

Not a threat. Just google San Bernardino violent crime and homicide statistics. Compare that to the national average. I'm just trying to make sure people know what situation they are walking into.

I'm not talking about Journalists. Presumably they have credentials and know how to investigate properly. I'm talking about the type of people who write death threats to the Gene Rossen and Robbie Parker types of the world. I'm talking about the Timothy Rogalskis of the world who dont actually look for information but instead abuse the staff and families who were affected. Its not what I've seen on USA that worries me, its the combination of what I see on this subreddit or in newspapers about conspiracy theorists going beyond looking for information and what I know about San Bernardino. Looking for truth is one thing, but if people start being cruel and aggressive in San Bernardino then it might not end well and I'm trying to do something to let them know that.

Go through my comments. I'm trying to make it clear that I am NOT saying dont investigate. If you want to investigate then do so. I just want people to know that this isn't a safe little suburb that hasn't had a murder in years like Newton was. This is the 28th ranked US city by homicide rate. This is a dangerous area and if you come into town and act like a jerk to the wrong people then you might not make it out of town. Come, investigate, spread the word on what you find. Just be careful who you piss off while you do it because a citizen might kill you before the government ever needs to cover up anything you find.

Look through any of my comments on this post. I say time and again that its not meant to be a threat. San Bernardino is the 28th ranked city by homicide per capita in the US and I just want people to know the environment that they are walking into if they decide to investigate this in person. I, and anyone I know, will have nothing to do with any violence but that does not mean it isn't a very real possibility.

San Bernardino has double the average crime rates per capita in the US in the following categories: Murder, Robbery, Assault, Violent Crime, Burglary, Vehicle Theft, and Property Crime. Of the types of crime statistics reported they were still above average but not quite double national average in the rest of the categories: Rape and theft.

These statistics are easily gathered (and verified) with a simple google search about crime rates. Maybe I should have done a better job wording it and referencing stats in the OP but regardless, I know I'm not a tough guy and threats have nothing to do with it. I just want people to be safe if they travel to the area.

Just be careful. I don't know why that sentiment is getting this much hate but I refuse to return that hate. San Bernardino is one of the most dangerous places in the USA. Be careful while you're there. That's all I'm saying.

Nope, never been to Indiana at all. Any particular reason? Should I be careful if I'm ever there? What's your point?

Living in fear is a far cry from living informed. San Bernardino may not be as bad as Gary (#28 per capita murder rate in the US compared to #3, I just checked) but they still are a bad enough area to warrant informing oneself before travelling there. In a country of ~19,300 cities/townships #28 isn't exactly a spot to feel safe. I never said not to travel or investigate or tried to fear monger in any way. I'm just trying to inform those that might want to investigate in person that they should be aware of the dangers.

What part of my comment makes you think I'm saying to stay silent? I'm trying to say stay safe. The government isn't the only dangerous thing in the world. Keep that in mind especially when you are visiting a place that has proven to have many dangerous elements.

While that's probably true that most dont do field research, i would be very surprised if the type who are hardcore enough to do field research aren't also on this subreddit. Even if they aren't, where could I put the message that they might see it better than here?

I admit that this might be worthless in every way, shape, and form. But I seriously think that someone will get themselves killed if they aggressively research this in the wrong parts of town. I mean regardless of if it were a conspiracy or not, whether it is because they were tricked or because they actually lost friends, family, and suffered an attack, there are now thousands of people scared and emotional in a place that already has a high homicide rate. I want to spend at least a few hours in the only place that I can think of spreading that knowledge. I would feel terrible if I correctly predicted something like that and did absolutely nothing to let people know and try to get them out of harms way. Even if what I'm really doing is just shouting into the darkness. I still want to shout for a bit.

No worries, tbh you're one of the more measured responses I've seen from this. Most are acting like I said that I would personally take them out if they investigated at all when what I said was to be careful when investigating because it is a dangerous area. Stay safe and good luck in your search.