The greatest story never told: What the practice of Alchemy actually was, and why Alchemists were obsessed with urine
143 2015-12-13 by 911bodysnatchers322
TLDR: alchemists were making DMT
The conventional understanding of alchemy is that it was an arcane protochemistry by unsophisticated ancients who were breaking into the roots of modern science, and whose goal was to convert base metals such as lead to gold.
Those who have studied the occult know that this is totally wrong, that alchemy was an internal craft of refining one's mental faculties, turning himself (a leaden mind) into gold (a mind perfected), by metaphorically emulating stages of chemical process (distillation, putrification, fermentation, rarefaction, etc) of dissolution and then reintegration ('solve coagula'). This was done through the language of symbols and a deep mediation on the symbols as aspects of the self Thus, alchemy was a type of mystical self-psychology that was later popularized by Carl Jung and his personality archetypes ("Man and his symbols") and touched upon by Joseph Campbell and his explanation of the self as a universal mythology ("hero with a thousand faces"). These ideas were further elaborated to a very high degree through Terence McKenna, who found parallels between shamanism, psychedelic drug use and alchemy, finding the thread that connected all three together, which was the idea that reality is made of language, and that the psychedelic experience was a place in which language was unconstrained, boundaryless--and by extension so was reality. Thus, one is living literally in imagination. Through this trait, McKenna asserted, one is then able to change their minds--quite literally--and therefore the world around them. The psychedelic experience was then, to Mckenna, a type of alchemy.
That said, when one studies even deeper the histories of alchemy--whether real or legendary--by looking into the famous figures such as Paracelsus, John Dee, Sir Isaac Newton, St. Germain, etc one hears stories of con-artistry and woo, many failures, flights of fancy and fleeced royals. Chickens fed bowls of serpents and vinegar. It seems, however, they weren't as successful at transmuting lead to gold as they had claimed. But certainly, there was no shortage of people willing to sponsor their efforts!
And of course, when you look at descriptions of ancient lab equipment (or those preserved in heidelberg as shown by mckenna in his movie), it nearly always included a reference to urine and the refining / slow heating of urine for a very long time (reduction). This was said to produce either a white or purple stone, which is said to be white phosphorus, a key ingredient in flash grenades and early photography. Symbolically, this was considered to be the 'light of life' that was collected and refined, but this was [not the philosopher's stone, because--as we said before--alchemy was psychological and thus the stone is a mental construct.
I believe this 'heating the first urine collected at dawn' (Order of the Golden Dawn) to be yet another misdirection to throw people off from the real knowledge of the craft.
However, it seems that the alchemists were up to something in burning the midnight oil to refine their insidiously smelly pee for years at a time. Because they did engage in this activity. What was it? What possible motivation could this be? What were they trying to make?
Consider this factoid: The 'third eye', the pineal gland organ was assayed as having high concentrations of DMT. It seems its function is to release small amounts daily for dreaming, and large amounts upon death. It's also the case the DMT is excreted by everyone in urine, albeit in small amounts in regular people and in much larger amounts in mentally ill people, specifically schizophrenics (in archaic times: "witches", "wizards", "sorcerors", "visionaries", "prophets", "lunatics"). According to Dennis McKenna, Terence's brother, people with temporal lobe epilepsy.
It is not only possible, but likely that heating urine carefully, over a candle, and distilling the vapors, one could, with sufficiently large amounts of urine over a long enough time, could recapture and refine dmt, 'the philosophers stone', which is itself--to anyone who has taken it--not only a chemical, but not unlike other psychedelics is a transdimensional enzyme that unlocks doors to infinity, wherein magick truly does exist.
Of course, many other reactions would be needed to separate dmt from all the other things present in urine, but those are details best left to chemists who also have a fetish for ancient protochemistry.
Shifting gears a bit--who were the alchemists? They were part of an elite group of clergy class that was not involved directly with politics due to their activities of grifting royals, travelling "from library to library", from mentor to mentor, etc seeking truths, seeking the stone. They were Rosicrucians, Templars, Knights of Malta, who vanguarded ancient mysteries passed down from various eclectic occultic traditions harkening back to ancient egypt and beyond. They incorporated traditions from the essenes, the eleusinians, the mithraic, orphic and other roman mystery cult / school traditions and other pagan witchcraft folkloric traditions such as astrotheology, syncretizing the sum total of wisdom one complete alternative mystic teaching called 'alchemy'.
Freemasons eventually adopted and took over the Rosicrucian tradition, and cryptographically encoded the use of visionary sacraments, alchemy, and the mysteries as symbols within their motifs. "Solve Coagula" is shown upon Levi's Baphomet, this means dissolution -- reintegration. This is futher shown in the Waite Deck of the Tarot's Magician with the same body position, pointing above and below, to mimick the hermetic / gnostic tenet of 'as above so below'. In the contemplation room of lodges, it's said there are relics including momento mori of skulls and human bones, as well as the phrase "V.I.T.R.I.O.L -- visita interiora terra rectificando invienes occultum lapidum"-- visit the interior of the earth and there you will find the hidden stone. In this case, it's talking about going deep into your mind to find the metaphorical stone.
Finally, the Acacia leaves (whose more common names are "gum arabic" or "egyptian thorn") are always shown in freemasonic motifs. The exoteric reason for this is that Solomons temple and the ark of the covenant were made of Acacia wood. The esoteric reason I posit is that Acacia is a specific genus whose species members nearly all contain psychedelic DMT (and methamphetamine, phenylethylamine (mescaline)) in significantly large amounts to be able to refine, extract and utilize for the purposes of psychedelic use. In fact, ayahuasca is an admixture containing a DMT relative of acacia, the mimosa, along with an oral activator that inhibits an enzyme that prevents DMT from being orally active.
At the end of the day, the great work of alchemy is the unification of opposites and the resolution of paradoxes. This is why the psychedelic experience works so perfectly, its a living place of paradox as the boundaries between concepts are dissolved and the nondualisms (light and dark being two sides of the same thing) are resolved (ex: The Disney movie "Inside out" in which the 'core memory" in the end was a combination of both joy and sadness--this is a perfect gnostic theme. Did you get that?). Psychedelic experience however is not the only means to achieve this state of unity. Psychological dissociation will work. And that can be achieved by severe abuse, by mental illness (schizophrenia, extreme depersonalization), and total overstimulation, or complete fragementation of ones worldview. 9/11's tower collapses were an example of global dissociation, as we watched in disbelieve, for a moment, we all thought a similar thing: this can't be real: pinch me, I'm in the twilight zone.
At the end of the day, I believe Freemasons of a certain degree are psychonautical alchemists. So if that's the case, why have they--whose ranks form a large majority of most major political institutions worldwide--crafted such a prohibitive drug policy, specifically, and viciously inhibiting psychedelics, keeping them far from the hands of the so called 'squares' (us, the non-elite)? If it's so great, and if the Freemason as such pious, good-intentioned people, and their exlir so magical and perfecting, then shouldn't they then find a way to bring it back to the lumpen masses to help everyone 'perfect themselves'?
Why not turn everyone into gold?
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21 JamesColesPardon 2015-12-13
How do you recite the components of words?
You spell them, baby.
5 911bodysnatchers322 2015-12-13
A thing doesn't exist until you give it a word
8 AlphaJesus 2015-12-13
Or does a thing exist and that's why we give them words?
2 911bodysnatchers322 2015-12-13
If you point a kid to an aqua or turquoise room and ask them what color it is, they'll say "blue"!
until they know the word of distinciton
2 AlphaMW3 2015-12-13
But how do you know it is real? Haha btw great post! Would you mind sharing any other good stories?
1 911bodysnatchers322 2015-12-13
As you wish.
9/11 was a momento mori
1 sciportoon 2015-12-13
fellipsipop!
2 911bodysnatchers322 2015-12-13
definition: a disintegration of a large object (such as a building) into a cloud of dust that makes the beholder unable to form any rational understanding of what had occurred.
example usage:
The fellipsipop of building 7 has caused over a decade of debate.
1 sciportoon 2015-12-13
You get me.
1 loserlame 2015-12-13
Maybe for ideas, sure, but material things, no.
2 Knotdothead 2015-12-13
Abracadabra.
It means ' with words I create.' IMO, one of the greatest modern day examples of abracadabra was Bill Gates saying " A computer on every desk"
The greatest modern day example of the alchemical transformation of lead into gold is the works of engineers at Texas Instruments, Intel,etc... to turn the common earth element sand/silica into transistors and computer chips.
Those guys made themselves a humongous pile of gold from their efforts.
13 gr8ful4 2015-12-13
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." (John 1:1)
5 911bodysnatchers322 2015-12-13
Yes. The world is made of language.
12 FunnyRocker 2015-12-13
Great post. Great comment.
6 911bodysnatchers322 2015-12-13
The biggest mystery is the nonfalsifiability of both your assertion and mine. It's also possible they do both /r/rationalpsychonaut, which happens to be what I think they did. People who do psychedelics fall into 2 camps: irresponsible people who do it recreationally; and people who use it as a tool for growth, finding answers about themselves and the world around them
There is, however, is much evidence from multiple sources including dead sea scrolls, apocryphal chapters, nag hamadi and other historical religious indian texts on the use of visionary sacraments (psychedelics) in mystery schools, referred to as soma, haoma, kykeon, ambrosia, amrita, nectar, elixir of life. People who've studied mystery schools and gnosticism extensively like Carl AP Ruck have many candidates for the ingredients in these things, including acacia, ephedra, mushrooms (specifically a type of ergot / parasitic fungus that grows on rye/barley/bearded darnel that doesn't cause 'st vitis dance' or st anthony's fire, a terrible disease that necrotizes the extremitities and feels like burning fire), syrian rue, and various other plants or even possibly an extinct plant
Anyway, thank you for the thoughtful comment.
2 TheGhostOfDusty 2015-12-13
I've read that many suppose that Amanita Muscaria was a primary ingredient.
2 911bodysnatchers322 2015-12-13
Allegro said Amanita, Wasson said psilocybe then he said amanita, McKenna said definitely psilocybe ("stoned ape theory"), Ruck said LSA from ergots or cannabis
3 know_comment 2015-12-13
As above, so below (Star of David).
The philosopher's stone is the beating heart. It's what drives action, through which godliness exists. Alchemy only represents the change that drives us. What we wish to produce and create.
occultism and esotericism is just the usage of symbols and sigils to manipulate thought and drive that change.
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1 know_comment 2015-12-13
as above, so below. the physics reflects the metaphysics. from plato's cave to eo wilson's consilience
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1 know_comment 2015-12-13
you said "NO" as if I had said it was just physical.
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1 know_comment 2015-12-13
i hope you don't talk to people in real life the way you talk to people on the internet. you should get outside of your head and be less disagreeable.
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1 know_comment 2015-12-13
You "corrected" me about something I never said. You don't know who I am or what I've studied.
Ah. I see where you are coming from. This is a nasty outlook.
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1 know_comment 2015-12-13
I wrote:
You wrote:
You didn't "correct" my statement. You told me I was wrong and that what I said was too materialistic. But what I said didn't indicate that I was talking about limited to the physical. Maybe you took me literally when I said that the philisopher's stone was the beating heart. It's not literal- just a symbol. The quote i used was blavatsky.
You "corrected" me without any correction. You made an incorrect assumption and told me I was wrong without offering any information to add to what I was saying.
1 911bodysnatchers322 2015-12-13
Interesting. I've seen this engine of creation and force when I was on ketamine. I was certain I was an electron, orbiting around it. Its force was immense, I felt like I was in the grip of its pull, but that I was being rocked around somewhat purposefully, not spun aimlessly like a yoyo. I could still hear its low hum from within, for weeks after until the sound diminished.
Anyone whose been in khole probably knows what I'm talking about, anyone whose never done psychedelics probably thinks I'm making a story or wordsalading
1 shmooly 2015-12-13
try MXE if you can still find it. You're in for a treat
2 honkimon 2015-12-13
Pretty sure it predates egyptians, Mayans, Indians, and Incas. Look at gobekli tepe. Who knows how many civilizations have been building on top of even older stuff.
1 aaronsherman 2015-12-13
Hmm... I think that there's a fallacy, here. It is not possible to simply "teach" the awareness of self. That is a process that requires work and time and all an inner tradition can do is to provide someone with a symbolic set of pointers along their individual path.
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1 aaronsherman 2015-12-13
You're over-generalizing and making it clear that you don't understand the non-monolithic structure of Freemasonry.
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1 aaronsherman 2015-12-13
Who is this "they" you speak of? The degrees haven't changed and what individual lessons any given Lodge in any given jurisdiction teaches are not necessarily comparable to any other, so why are you assuming that they are?
This was not my experience.
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1 aaronsherman 2015-12-13
If you don't lol in this sub, you'll end up col. But neither is terribly conducive to constructive discussion...
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1 aaronsherman 2015-12-13
I'll take that as a compliment :-)
Actually, Freemasonry in many places in the US is a very strictly dry institution. In my state, it's more lax, but we still can't buy liquor with Lodge funds or have liquor at any official Lodge function without specific dispensation.
Where do you learn these "facts"?
Were we discussing your sense that we're not philosophical/esoteric enough for your liking or your conspiracy theories? I'm not interested in jumping tracks to a different conversation.
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1 aaronsherman 2015-12-13
So you don't care to carry on the conversation, then?
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1 aaronsherman 2015-12-13
I don't think I've made any attempt to explain any esotericism in this conversation. Are you confusing me with some other thread of conversation you've been having?
Ah, so you've decided that I'm lying... about what? If you just want to admit that you made all of this up or read it on some Web site that you shouldn't have trusted, that's fine. I have no problem with that. Half of /r/conspiracy just makes up whatever they like.
But if you're going to claim that I'm wrong, I expect to see some sort of definitive data presented, not just your ad hominem bluster.
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1 aaronsherman 2015-12-13
You keep saying that...
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1 aaronsherman 2015-12-13
Okay take care. Thanks for chatting (what part of your discussion wasn't ad hominem, that is).
16 420baker 2015-12-13
This makes a lot of sense. I have DMT sitting in my drawer waiting for me, I hear it beat like the Jumanji board game every night. I've tried small doses but haven't broken through, I will wait until someone more experienced will join me. There is a lot of fear attached to the unkown.
10 ilovetunatacos 2015-12-13
"I will not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain."
If you can't go it alone, you shouldn't go.
1 SleazySnake 2015-12-13
What don't kill you will make you stronger
1 TheGhostOfDusty 2015-12-13
Bene-Gesserits weren't called "witches" for nothing!
7 NolanVoid 2015-12-13
Don't listen to all this cryptic bullshit. Do it when you are ready and have someone you trust to be your sitter to make sure you are okay. You will be okay, but it will help with any anxiety you might have.
3 911bodysnatchers322 2015-12-13
/r/samelevel
2 shilllord 2015-12-13
But it's a
What if u/420baker ends up in another dimension floating towards infinity?
I would be scared too
4 JamesColesPardon 2015-12-13
"The only thing you have to fear is fear itself."
-Some guy who was killed by a magic bullet.
12 RhodesHall 2015-12-13
Wrong president, buddy. The quote was FDR, Kennedy was the one who got shot.
7 JamesColesPardon 2015-12-13
I am dismayed that it took this long for this.
Thanks for paying attention, my man.
3 NASA_Observer 2015-12-13
Just another example of public education would be my guess.
1 911bodysnatchers322 2015-12-13
Actually, a lot of people get that wrong. It's another mandelaeffect berenstain bears thing.
2 JimHadar 2015-12-13
I'm not even american and i know that wasn't JFK, it was FDR.
1 JamesColesPardon 2015-12-13
Yeah - I know. Sometimes it's fun to see what gets upvoted here ;)
2 sciportoon 2015-12-13
Troll!
1 JamesColesPardon 2015-12-13
Name calling rarely works in your favor, citizen.
1 sciportoon 2015-12-13
I'm just messing with ya.
3 911bodysnatchers322 2015-12-13
I've never done it. The closest I've come is ketamine and lsd but I hear those cannot compare to dmt.
3 420baker 2015-12-13
Ketamine is a lot of fun, i find it is like a small but quicker dose of mushrooms. I've tried Ayahuasca in the Amazon, now that was an experience, but threw up a lot, was handy to have the shaman. I know I wont throw up with dmt, but some protection would be nice.
2 2ballsnawinky 2015-12-13
They do not.... when you break through on dmt you can hear it happen its like a crunching crinkling paper sound....its absolutely amazing.
-1 sciportoon 2015-12-13
Get salvia divinorum, its legal and available and will blow your mind for 1 minute and 37 seconds.
4 putadickinit 2015-12-13
Don't
-1 sciportoon 2015-12-13
You didn't like it?
2 putadickinit 2015-12-13
It's a deliriant. The whole experience is literally just confusion. So if you want to know what it's like to be as confused as possible about everything then take a very high dose of salvia.
1 sciportoon 2015-12-13
Well since you are such an expert on it, I'll just take your word that that is an accurate description of the of its effects...
After experiencing much confusion one finds much clarity.
2 putadickinit 2015-12-13
There are much better drugs for that than salvia. It actually is considered to be a deliriant, rather than a psychedelic or dissociative. And it's quite obvious why it isn't like the classic tryptamine based hallucinogens. You will actually see things that do not exist while delirious.
1 sciportoon 2015-12-13
I certainly agree, It's just very available and legal. I have had experiences with it and although you may be right I found it to be quite an enjoyable experience. It leaves with you with a profound joy that life is for living and that whatever challenges you may face they wont be nearly as crazy as what you just experienced. Like 1 minute speed run on Mario or something.
1 putadickinit 2015-12-13
I completely understand what you're saying with finding clarity after that sort of experience. It really seems like that was something you personally needed to experience to get a good perspective on life. I guess that's just not the eye opener I needed, and I haven't heard of too many people coming out feeling enlightened, mostly just afraid and saying "fuck that, never again."
1 sciportoon 2015-12-13
Ya, Its really a weird thing. I would say that the key difference in having the effect take hold is passing the threshold of the negative effects. If you don't ingest enough to peak you just feel really strange, like your body is made of TV static. It can make you feel very irritated and start to associate your negative feelings with the people around you. I suppose I shouldn't promote its use but I feel that exploring consciousness is one of the few frontiers us common plebs can explore without too much backlash.
Then again the mind is a delicate organ and one should do their best not to damage it. We all have our things to work through, self exploration kept me off of pharmaceuticals for depression and insomnia. The difference between depression and not-depression is a change of attitude.
1 newharddrive 2015-12-13
You should try to get somebody to watch you flys.
1 sciportoon 2015-12-13
DO IT! you only need to see whats beyond the veil like 1-3 times, then you only hear the jumanji drum when your about to hit it. I haven't heard someone equate it to jumanji, I'm using that.
DMT specifically can be less intense with the wrong sitter, they can only do things "wrong" when your peaking and you will need to lose the distraction.
9 OB1_kenobi 2015-12-13
It's easy to guess that the alchemist were up to a lot of different things. Probably, trying to make different kinds of drugs was one of them.
For some reason, most people have this perception that drug use (esp. psychedelics) is something that got started back in the 1960's. Nothing could be farther from the truth.
I suspect that this perception has deliberately engineered to keep the public ignorant. Something that's new is more easily seen as suspicious and risky. Something that people have been doing for thousands of years is easily seen as normal, a tradition, even a human right.
He who controls the past, controls the future. Keep people from knowing what they used to be capable of and they'll be easier to keep under control.
As for DMT and alchemy? I honestly don't know. There's other compounds that are very psychoactive and known to be available in Europe at that time. Magic mushrooms are one likely candidate. So are hashish... and harmaline from syrian rue.
I mention harmaline because it is the drug behind all those tales about flying carpets. The Arabs of the medieval period had plenty of scientific knowledge at a time when Europe was still in darkness.
Europeans were also pretty biased against Arabic habits and this is the reason for the general cultural bias against hashish and cannabis. No doubt, the religious leaders of the day would have branded psychedelics as some sort of witchcraft.
So the alchemists might have been running the medieval equivalent of a drug lab. Just like users and dealers today, they would have had to keep a low profile and use their own slang when referring to what they were doing.
This might seem a bit sketchy for some people. But if you think about it, in every place and time in all of human history, people are always trying to get high on something.
I doubt medieval Europe was any different. If you really want to go deep down the rabbit hole... maybe this was the real secret of the Templar Knights. They went to the middle east during the Crusades and learned about all the awesome drugs people were doing out there. Then they set up a network for dealing back home in Europe and got fucking rich in no time. All the nobility would have been getting stoned all the time and the Templars knew their secret.
2 911bodysnatchers322 2015-12-13
Since you mentioned witchcraft, some famous templars were accused of witchcraft, worshipping baphomet. They were arrested by the church for heresy on friday the 13th of October 1307 and some were burned at the stake.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templar#Arrests.2C_charges_and_dissolution
4 throwawaynameday 2015-12-13
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAsMcqE2Tkk
Terrence McKenna: “I don't know how true it is, but is theory is: Jesus was a mushroom. This would not probably have cut too much mustard, except that this guy was a dead sea scholar of world renown. With an academic grasp of Aramaic and Akkadian, and was fully lisenced to be one of the people who tell us what the primary documents of Christianity really mean. The problem is, when the laypeople got a hold of him, he said, 'well what they really mean is that a sacramental mushroom was being grown in caves by Nabbateans down in Qumran, and they caled it “Jesus” in order to befuddle the Roman authorities, and created the theory of the friendly carpenter who tells us to render unto Caesar that which was Caesar's and that this was all just a publicity stunt to keep the Roman authorities guessing, and he claims he has textual support for this, the problem is, you have to be an Aramaic philologist to follow the argument, which is unbelievably tortured.”
4 Autocoprophage 2015-12-13
So you're telling me that shamans throughout Central and South America had a comprehensive understanding of how to refine DMT from various plant species for thousands of years, but, even after traveling to these areas and incorporating the occult knowledge of various tribes into their own crafts, the best thing the high magicians of the Middle Ages could come up with is fuckin' Jenkem?
I'm just saying, OP. Are you for real with this shit? Your understanding of the esoteric elements of alchemy is sufficiently accurate, but this DMT production theory couldn't possibly make any sense. Maybe if these magicians really were schizophrenics like you claim - but that's a pretty ridiculous accusation to make of anyone lucid enough to internalize the principles of alchemy, since doing so definitely requires a competent and able mind.
3 911bodysnatchers322 2015-12-13
Yes, because they didn't have airplanes and didn't know about the americas until very late in the game. Africa, the near and middle east as we believe were deficient of psychedelics, in stark contrast with central and south america. Also, north america is deficient as well (abundant nicotine, tropanes). In the middle east you had a couple things: ephedra, syrian rue, cannabis, acacia, and poppy all xeriscape plants able to weather droughts. That said, in india you had nutmeg and mushrooms, probably many other psychotrophic candidates such as spikenard, available to Europe via the silk road.
The only cosmospolitan (world wide, all regions) psychedelic is the amanita muscaria, which happens to be the mushroom purported by both Wasson and Allegro as the candidate for sacramentalhood. McKenna believes Wasson was trying to throw people off the trail of psilocybin after he drummed up attention of hippies wanting to flood Oaxaca (again, keeping this among the elite only).
To this day, northern asiatic shamanism continues to use the amanita muscaria as it is a dissociative psychedelic. The interesting thing about it is that it 1) must be dried first, 2), that urine of the shaman is drunk by his clients as it contains the body-metabolized ibotenic acid into the active psychedlic subtance muscipol.
So yes, urine and shit (coprophilic fungi) is again implicated in psychedelic use. This is probably where the idea even came from originally.
Psilocybin mushrooms don't grow in the desert (middle east) or really commonly in america (florida the exception, or up the west coast), as they are tropical and grow on fermented grass under cowshits... so they aren't a good candidate for soma, unless soma came from india originally, or from africa if / when it was a tropical forest (pre-climate change)
Also, I'm not claiming that the alchemists were schizophrenics. I'm suggesting that perhaps they collected urine from people with these 'unusual' or 'visionary' or 'prophetic' traits because--as alchemists commonly believed--the forces within us are concentrated in our fluids so if you collect them you can concentrate them. According to that book of aquarius which I consider disinformation, btw, there is some truth around it generally, that alchemy was about 'speeding up natural processes' and refining forces of nature.
1 sciportoon 2015-12-13
Perhaps sir, you have not tried some of these here substances. They will make you want to write an organic chemistry textbook.
People on different continents figured out how to isolate and internalize psychedelic compounds independently of one another. The South American pharmacopoeia was rich indeed.
3 Dorothyslaundry 2015-12-13
This post and it's subsequent comments gave me a lot of food for thought. I'd always forgotten the path that led me from waking up to government corruption.......somehow to......DMT.... McKenna and Watt ....and ibogaine and shamanism and .....ancient mystic practices..... this post summed things up well for me, especially my quandary in understanding the Freemasons. I could never hoard wonderful knowledge and freedom for myself, I'd want to tell everyone! So, the fact they are so exclusive and secretive, operating all in occulted fashion, makes me disappointed and skeptical of them even before learning anything else about the organization.
My quest for the truth did lead me, after one year, right to DMT. Not using it, or any psychedelic (sadly? Yet?) but researching it. Watching hours of testimony from other psychonauts...reading and searching... listening to lectures by McKenna brothers and Alan and Timothy and so on...
...... it's interesting that most people who wake up venture into the land of psychedelics in their quest for truth.
1 Unesol 2015-12-13
Teaching, showing, "enlightening" others before their time is akin to the that alarm you hate. The best you can do, is walk your path.
1 sciportoon 2015-12-13
Go get some salvia divinorum.
3 Dorothyslaundry 2015-12-13
Thanks, I haven't researched it and honestly all I've heard is that Miley Cyrus smoked it in some tabloid picture haha so I kind of dismissed it as some kind of weed-wannabe.. HOWEVER....I am very pregnant at the moment so my days of consciousness exploration via chemicals are long gone, and/or far ahead.
I'll be nursing and then caring for the baby so I'm kind of not a good psychonaut candidate. And we have other kids too. As a mom, it feels like I'm on call for my job 24/7, but I don't want to give up on my dream of very carefully and methodically exploring consciousness using external assistance. Until then, I suppose, it's just meditation? Though I've been doing that for some time and while it relaxes me and has helped with my pregnancy anxiety, I haven't felt anything near divine inspiration or the type of consciousness expansion I felt in 2012 when my mind naturally .....opened and I started thinking differently. I want to recreate the way I felt for those 2 weeks in 2012 where everything felt like a revelation....
1 sciportoon 2015-12-13
That is a great feeling. I've had heard that the pain of childbirth can cause psychedelic experiences in women. Things like out of body experiences while giving birth.
http://www.psychedelicadventure.net/2013/04/orgasmic-child-birth-and-natural.html
http://www.tabs.org.nz/pdfdocs/lahood2007.pdf
1 Dorothyslaundry 2015-12-13
I would love to learn a sort of method for inducing that so I can have a natural (pain killer free) childbirth! I've delivered my children but used an epidural so I wonder if that inhibited my ability to have any natural rush type of mental experience.
1 Dorothyslaundry 2015-12-13
Ps. Thank you for the links! I'm excited to research this more, and I hope to have a natural birth this time
1 sciportoon 2015-12-13
Your welcome, I'm glad to help!
3 sciportoon 2015-12-13
I love that this conversation is happening.
2 forehead_implant 2015-12-13
The Freemasons that were are not the Freemasons that are.
The elite do not use psychedelics, or they would be vastly kinder and smarter people.
Consider that there are other dimensions that are accessible to minds utilizing DMT, a kind of space-faring technology. There are benevolent and malignant entities that inhabit those dimensions. The malignant ones benefit from those who are braindead and sheep-like, and the elites are kept in this way, and become demonically possessed. The suffering and horror feeds back into their dimension, and the objective is to keep the Earth in a state of Hell so that it may be dominated by a master/slave relationship so that Satan+family can have free reign of luxury and rape.
It's rather the solution to deliver psychedelics to the elite, in order to wake them up.
DMT or psilocin is more likely the Holy Grail, the key that is within us, the magic elixir in the cup, that restores humanity and enlightenment. It is our sacred journey to find and deliver the sacrament (psychedelics) to King Arthur (the elites) in order to restore Heaven on Earth.
3 911bodysnatchers322 2015-12-13
Here here. You just destroyed my entire argument with
Kidding aside, we do know that the elite used psychedelics at one time. R Gordon Wasson and Huxley-- look into that. Jan Irving of Gnostic Media podcast channel on youtube has made some impressive arguments that the CIA created the counterculture, and spoke with Peter Levenda on the subject as well
Also,
Carl Ruck did an incredible amount of research on the use of "visionary sacraments" / psychedelics use in mystery schools. He was the first to propose Claviceps paspali as an alternative to the commonly believed Claviceps purpurea as the ingredient in greek kykeon, and that a water extraction would remove the harmful non-water soluble erotamine and ergotoxine alkaloids.. Actually sorry that last claim was Albert Hofmann, the discoverer of LSD.
2 sciportoon 2015-12-13
The elite just do coke now, that's why they are lizard people.
1 Knotdothead 2015-12-13
It's those at the very top that are using them.
The next layers are the pillars of the community. If these guys were to use psyche it would destroy the illusions and facades they have spent centuries creating in order to maintain their control over society.
2 boyscoutalchemist 2015-12-13
I love this idea, it would be great to think the old boys were seeking out the ultimate high. But considering the prevalence of shrooms in the regions concerned, I doubt they would resort to boiling piss to get high. As for boiling piss, really? Sounds like a prank to keep most people well away from the real work.
The fact that the mystery has remained in tact for so many generations, and still has adherents today (its true), shows that the obfuscation works perfectly. I loved your post, thank you.
2 juloxx 2015-12-13
Modern day alchemists still exist..... how do you think you get all that LSD ;)
Using scientific knowledge for spiritual insight. Such is the way of Alchemy
2 Hernumoun 2015-12-13
I weekly drink my own urine. It's very good for the healt and after few times it tastes quite neutral.
1 sciportoon 2015-12-13
I would give you gold but i'm cheap.
1 Hernumoun 2015-12-13
Thank you for your kind words, mate.
1 -INFOWARS- 2015-12-13
Just found this.
Great post.
1 HITLERS_SEX_PARTY 2015-12-13
magick
Hee-hee! You almost had me!
1 -Tom- 2015-12-13
I always though alchemy was as you said, protochemistry, or basically a lack of understanding of elements. Playing with things and getting other things, all with the ultimate goal of being able to take an abundant resource (like rocks or lead) and turning it into gold. I've never heard anything about alchemists taking drugs, meditating, or any other psychological dissonance.
1 newharddrive 2015-12-13
I was taught that these guys were trying to turn lead into gold.
1 Bgriff42 2015-12-13
They sure did like mercury.
1 MKULTRA_Escapee 2015-12-13
Magic mushrooms may give users trippy experiences by creating a hyperconnected brain. The active ingredient in the psychedelic drug, psilocybin, seems to completely disrupt the normal communication networks in the brain, by connecting "brain regions that don't normally talk together."
1 treeoflifetreeofpowe 2015-12-13
Great post!
The only thing I'd like to say here, is that your body produces DMT naturally and unlocking this process is the purest form of alchemy. Taking DMT externally to achieve spiritual transcendence actually a very dangerous process and is actually a perversion of the real kundalini.
1 AdverbAssassin 2015-12-13
I have a friend who begged me to use DMT with him. It was November of 2013. He became obsessed with it. Three weeks later he was tazed to death in his front yard because he flipped out and was attacking people in his house. They revived him, but he was declared brain dead. He finally passed on Christmas eve.
Edit: this is his obituary:
http://rep-am.com/articles/2014/04/25/obituaries/799628.txt
2 giantfrogfish 2015-12-13
Bad trips are a direct result of past trauma. Maybe your friend was abused...
1 AdverbAssassin 2015-12-13
When you put chemicals in the body, the results vary. He was a good man. That is all I know.
1 sciportoon 2015-12-13
That's really messed up, do you feel like you could have prevented that if you would have been his sitter at least?
Also it would seem that the response of law enforcement officers, not your friends mental health issue, is to blame for his death.
And definitely don't try to blame the company making these lethal tasers and then telling cops that they are perfectly safe. That is a losing battle, you'll get tazed.
1 AdverbAssassin 2015-12-13
He had done DMT several times. This man was very accomplished in career terms. He just tried it once, then he was obsessed. I cannot explain it. He begged me to do it with him. I chose not to.
As for the tazers, there wasn't much that could be done. He had stripped all his clothes off and was a raving lunatic. He was attacking everyone. His poor son, who was only 6 at the time watched it happen. I wish I could have saved him, but when I told him to stop the drugs, he was angry.
He was not on DMT when he was tazed. He had just lost his mind. DMT accelerated his dementia. I cannot explain it and it breaks my heart.
1 sciportoon 2015-12-13
I'm really sorry to hear that, I hope that his family and son turn out OK...
1 Knotdothead 2015-12-13
Sounds like he met cthula at the gate .
1 giantfrogfish 2015-12-13
That was wonderful!
1 doi2727 2015-12-13
This is totally wrong and far from the truth. Have you ever read any of the old ancient alchemy books? It's quite obviously to me that you haven't.
I've been leisurely studying alchemy for several years, and have read Manly P Hall's writings, and much older writings on alchemy such as The Last Will and Testament by Basil Valentine, which dates back to 1671.
In Basil Valentine's book he describes how he healed a fellow monk who was on his death bead, in three days. He also talks about the three main base elements which are inherent in man, that being mercury, sulfur, and salt. This is doesn't sound like the writings of someone who was messing around with urine, or looking to have a psychedelic experience.
Basil Valentine also mentions the fiery phoenix, the mystical bird that dates back to the Egyptians, in my opinion this deals with transmutation, but he was not clear and most old alchemy texts are very illusive in their nature.
What about ORMUS, the Monatomic Elements? I good punch holes in your theories all day. I'm not saying I have all the answers, but what I can say without a doubt, is that your theories are not very accurate when looking at some of the older texts, and you have not researched this subject deep enough to give a holistic opinion.
True alchemy definitely deals with chemistry, transmutation, the periodic table of elements, and the art of alchemical healing.
1 911bodysnatchers322 2015-12-13
No, sorry. I know at least as much as you have about alchemy. I have read many books, have listened to countless hours of Manly P Hall, Terence McKenna, old alchemy books and witchcraft books on librivox, countless hours of various videos on gaiam.tv. It all goes back to this.
If you read my thing and think that I'm saying all alchemy is a medieval drug lab you got the wrong thing from my writing. I was saying that they were making drugs to augment the process of their craft and to perform the psychological process. They had to know what they were doing before making the plunge, so they had to study the process, meditate on it and then jump in with the fruits of their craft.
I think the bubble you and some others are in, who give this idea I proposed a bad rap is that modern american culture is devoid of a shamanic tradition, by design. So you assume that if I mention DMT I'm talking about it strictly recreationally and not shamanically. Again, because our shamanic roots are 'lost'--I am positing they aren't lost but that freemasons have vanguarded this tradition but like the shitty elitistst priestcraft they claim to fight, they've effected the same thing: to inhibit common man from access.
So you know what I"m talking about, this lack of western shamanism is discussed at length by TMckenna, but he doesn't go specifically into why or how other than something like : "the government wants you drink coffee and have cigarettes so that you can be productive past 3pm...can you imagine how much work would be done if pot were legal? Well there you go".
But others have gone into it and it's this: "you do acid for the first time and while you're listening to the radio you think to yourself, 'what is this crap they are trying to sell me? They are lying--do you hear this? They're trying to pull one over on us!'+-." and "it dissolves cultural programming" and "it makes you question the government, organizations, institutions and culture" Oh they cannot have that! So that's why psychedelics are illegal AND tabooo. Specifically by religious institutions, making them 'extremely sinful' and 'substances of devils' and 'the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, given by the snake (satan)' In fact, it's all these things, except, strangely and by their own words we've already eaten of the fruit so why would we stop?
1 throwawaynameday 2015-12-13
finish reading MP hall : )
1 TR0LL_T0LL 2015-12-13
/r/alchemy
1 dan-paralanguage 2015-12-13
http://www.amazon.com/Mushrooms-Myth-Mithras-Civilized-Europe/dp/0872864707 this book goes into some of the drug used in esoteric societies. its not a perfect book, some of the connections the author makes are a little flawed imo, but its still a great primer on ancient drug use. also, interestingly enough, people used to make peasants eat the amanita mushroom, and they would drink the resulting piss. it filtered enough of the toxins out to make the trip smoother.
1 aaronsherman 2015-12-13
There are a few problems, here. Mostly you're leaping from point to point, but never firmly establishing that they're related.
You also drop this line:
Which is absurdly false. There aren't enough of us left to form a large majority of anything on that scale.
I'm going to expand this beyond Freemasonry and talk about the Western initiatic traditions as a whole. The goal of initiation is two-fold: to give and to withhold. On the one hand, initiatic traditions preserve a bit of knowledge. In primitive societies, it might be how to hunt or other practical knowledge for everyday life. In modern societies (basically from the founding of cities on) initiation preserves knowledge of the internal; the self.
On the other hand, initiatic traditions withhold information from those who are not yet prepared to deal with it. This is why we don't teach toddlers to use band-saws; it's why we don't teach everyone how to perform open-heart surgery. Yes, these are incredibly useful tools, but if you're not ready to respect them, you can hurt yourself.
All such traditions ensure that their prospective candidates are prepared to look at themselves honestly and then they proceed to hold up a mirror.
Side point: the DMT/acacia link is tenuous at best. I never really bought it, but it's certainly possible that there was some ancient tradition that used the plant for its latent psychoactive properties. Still, to retroactively try to assert that as the reason for its allegorical significance is a pretty massive leap for which I'd need much more evidence.
2 911bodysnatchers322 2015-12-13
Nice job trying to gatekeep, but it won't work. I know you freemasons are an international network with an astounding membership and brother, sister orgs like the FOP and the red hat society not to mention higher level orgs like royal arch masons and order knights of malta; which you clearly don't belong to, because you're engaging here on reddit. And that's probably because they asked you to spit or pee on the cross, and as a good protestant or mormon you said 'no' so they congratualted you and kept you at low levels.
This network is integrated with all the financial elite and intelligence agencies all the way through. If you aren't specifcially trying to discredit this theory, then they've duped you along with maybe 90% of the world into thinking they are a kind, loving, charitable organization (which they clearly are but not to the exclusion of other foul things they do like enable pedo cults in intelligence).
If I could only get an audience with a higher up, man what a conversation that would be. On the one hand, I dont' give a rats ass if you worship lucifer--that is your right as an american. I do have a problem with sacrificing 3000 people in fire to jabulon. So we need to put in end to this kind of thing posthaste. Also you guys need stop selling heroin / drugs and find another way to make vast amounts of money that doesn't hurt people.
Here's what I would say: Show people how good lucifer can be by ending the drug war, apologizing, getting people out of jail, giving them back their drugs and sovereign rights (ie: their individuality or luciferian aspects), end all the wars and make the world a garden. Do those things, and I'll start worshiping lucifer too. SO far the christians seem to have done nothing but create this big terrible mess of the world.
1 aaronsherman 2015-12-13
And how do you "know" this? Our raw numbers have been dropping since 1960. Our per capita numbers have been dropping since '55. I get that data from the MSA, which tracks data like that for the various Grand Lodges of each US state. Much the same picture is reported by most of the Grand Lodges around the world.
The FOP is not and never has been Masonic. Don't believe everything you read on the Web.
You really did just hit every major conspiracy theory, there... Congratulations, I guess?
Of course, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
0 bashar_speaks 2015-12-13
Alchemy.ws
The only intelligent, informed source on alchemy. This 'sperg has spent decades studying alchemical texts from around the world, has written two books on it.
DMT, whatever, that is nonsense.
1 911bodysnatchers322 2015-12-13
Dude book of aquarius is where I got the idea of pee from. Then I verified DMT was eliminated in urine (along with over a hundred other things) from a deep chemical assay of human urine made by nasa.
other books on that site are helpful though, thanks.
0 SeekingTheReality 2015-12-13
As far as why these substances are kept from us: with the unification of reality and imagination comes great power, a power that those that are subversive among us would use to cause great harm and only personal gain. It is unfortunate that some among the Freemasons have chosen to utilize that power in such a way.
Don't quite follow?
Ask any TRULY successful person how they did it: they followed their dreams, they used hard work, willpower, and determination to turn their imagination into reality. This is the secret that Freemasons guard. This is why Masons strive to teach men to become morally strong, respectable, and kind people- it is all in an attempt to prevent the abuse of this power.
But what do I know, I'm just an extremely well read 24 year old who's chasing his own dreams and WILL make them his reality.
1 oxide-NL 2015-12-13
The thing is, you haven't made it yet. So indeed what do you know? Most "successful" people became what they are because they don't have boundaries. they will kill if they have to, to achieve their goal. They take what they believe is already theirs. And you and i won't get in their way.
Hard work, willpower, determination. Is what good people do, but they won't take what is really theirs. Since their too kind and still believe in society's values, morale right and wrongs
But in all actuality being successful isn't that great. Just like the alpha male lion one day you're on top, next day you're in a ditch bleeding out, and no one gives a single shit about it. Just like you, didn't give a single shit about them when they needed you the most,most likely didn't even know they needed you in the first place since all the focus was on "ME" to busy chasing the perfect life and guarding you're turf.
I never seen an miracle fall on those who expect them.
-1 JoeBloggsNZ 2015-12-13
Study the occult? You mean all those books written by hippies on acid?
1 911bodysnatchers322 2015-12-13
Wow you need to study the occult harder. These books written by hippies on acid go back to at least 1400ad. Before that even, although written in different languages than english at that point, so the ones that emerged in post medieval times are translations of those books.
Most recently Blavatsky condensed all occult knowledge this into her works which were widely adopted as theosophy, upon which the black occult german prehitler cult the SS formed. By recently I mean late 1800s. She influence Aleister Crowley who was half a century before hippies existed.
1 sciportoon 2015-12-13
So high they had to write a book.
2 911bodysnatchers322 2015-12-13
Since you mentioned witchcraft, some famous templars were accused of witchcraft, worshipping baphomet. They were arrested by the church for heresy on friday the 13th of October 1307 and some were burned at the stake.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templar#Arrests.2C_charges_and_dissolution
5 911bodysnatchers322 2015-12-13
A thing doesn't exist until you give it a word
2 Knotdothead 2015-12-13
Abracadabra.
It means ' with words I create.' IMO, one of the greatest modern day examples of abracadabra was Bill Gates saying " A computer on every desk"
The greatest modern day example of the alchemical transformation of lead into gold is the works of engineers at Texas Instruments, Intel,etc... to turn the common earth element sand/silica into transistors and computer chips.
Those guys made themselves a humongous pile of gold from their efforts.
1 aaronsherman 2015-12-13
You keep saying that...