It just makes no sense except for demolition. The videos of it falling shows it. And the wing of the pentagon that exploded had all the people and documents related to the investigation of the missing $2.3 trillion announced by the pentagon the day before.
I was very young at the time, so I saw it when they turned it on in the classroom. I don't remember much but I remember seeing pictures of molten steel on the ground that I can't find anymore.
Actually, maybe someone can help. Years ago there was a video on youtube, of some US president a few decades ago giving a speech, which was cut short by a whisper in his ear from some head of a bank who was standing behind him. Sorry for the vagueness but does anyone know who it was? It was a really old video and was the first real proof I saw that politics/life/power weren't exactly as we're taught.
Around the same time, I was writing a paper on global financial aid, and was researching the IMF. All was well until I got into reading about their loan conditionalities. This organization was supposed to be helping the globe's poorest countries, but what I was reading wasn't adding up. That was a shock to me and that's about when I started to look at everything critically.
Zeitgeist 1 was an eye-opener for me as well, around the same time.
Fact: ETs exist on and around this planet. Why aren't we being told, and what power is in place that has the ability to keep this fact from an entire planet?
Since my own personal experiences alone aren't (or at least shouldn't be) enough to convince anyone but myself of the truth of ET existence, I'd say just look into The Disclosure Project and the Citizens Hearing On Disclosure. Both consist of hours and hours of high level military, civilian, and government personnel recounting under oath their experiences with beings, craft, and projects dealing with the very subject.
Only the most abjectly blind individual will discount the testimony of this many high level professionals coming forward and attesting to what they've experienced, know about, and have (or have had) access to.
I especially love the incident when the US barred the Canadian government official from coming to a large UFO conference a few years ago. The conference was in the US and the official was not allowed across the boarder.
Whether it's et or dimensional / technological / transhuman, or just breakaway civilization, it's worth keeping quiet to certain people.
Whether it's et or dimensional / technological / transhuman, or just breakaway civilization, it's worth keeping quiet to certain people.
Yep. Definitely.
They're all of these things though. Existence in this cosmos spans all of these different types scenarios and then some.
TPTB on this planet have zero desire to let the plebs (us) know anything about any of this, however. The moment we know about the reality of ET existence on and around this planet is the moment we find out about the free energy systems they use for power and propulsion - and the moment we find out about those technologies and begin making use of them ourselves is the very moment we will no longer have any use for the oil, gas, and fossil fuel burning paradigm that exists on this planet. That is a multi trillion dollar industry that has the entire planet and civilization in a grip of slavery and has killed millions of people in oil-motivated wars of aggression.
All of that would be gone w/the discovery and implementation of the free energy technologies that ETs most definitely have.
If the phenomenon is indeed real, this is certainly true. However, please be wary of believing everything said by Steven Greer. A lot of the UFO community is very careful to take his personal anecdotes and statements with a large grain of salt. Especially the stuff about modern, working, free energy devices. He's collected a lot of money in the name of this issue without offering any evidence or progress.
Who's believing ANYTHING said by Greer? There is no "belief". Believe nothing. What you should do is be intelligent and critically thinking. Understand information, probabilities, and evidence. Greer has nothing to do with any of this. He is only the mouthpiece and information disseminator. Nothing more.
A lot of the UFO community is very careful to take his personal anecdotes and statements with a large grain of salt.
A lot of the UFO community is, to put it mildly, not very critically minded or very intelligent.
Especially the stuff about modern, working, free energy devices.
ETs existing on and around this planet actually affirms and proves the existence of modern, working, free energy devices. For how else do you think they got here? using crafts running on internal combustion engines and gasoline?
Free energy exists. Period. Full stop.
He's collected a lot of money in the name of this issue without offering any evidence or progress.
How so? Explain how he's collected a lot of money in the name of this issue. I've never heard him say anything like "give me money and I'll show you free energy devices"
Ok wow, I was trying to be nice but alright here we are. If we're thinking critically, instead of presenting the mountains of evidence, paperwork, and witness testimony he's collected, Greer based his entire sirius documentary on how badass he is and how people pay him hundreds of dollars to go meditate in the desert and to photograph military flares and woodland moths. The testimony he's collected is great, but anything else out of his mouth is generally so exaggerated and unfalsifiable that it's basically just storytelling. Most reasonable people I've talked to presume him to be a CIA disinformation agent, telling stories about psy powers and 2-mile wide saucers to discredit the witnesses he actually does rarely present.
As for free energy "existing. period. full stop."? If this is so, why hasn't anyone collected the $100,000 award Greer offers? And here's the page where it says they've collected $250k- http://www.siriusdisclosure.com/donate/
Just because ufo's don't work by gasoline, doesn't mean they break the laws of thermodynamics. The quantum foam and the casimir effect are incredibly weak forces by our energy standards. It's far more likely that any UFO craft uses miniature nuclear reactors, plasma storage, or some kind of fuel we don't have the technology for. The "box sized free energy generator" types of device Greer is fantasizing about are long running scams perpetrated by charlatans just as bad as him. Just because we don't understand the technology doesn't mean it comes from nowhere. It's a nice dream but the laws of physics do not work that way.
Greer based his entire sirius documentary on how badass he is and how people pay him hundreds of dollars to go meditate in the desert and to photograph military flares and woodland moths.
You’re trying way too hard, son. Way. Independent of anything that happened in the documentary or that Greer’s done, you’ve done exactly nothing to actually address the actual content of The Disclosure Project of the Citizens Hearing On Disclosure. This is a classic (if not desperate) obfuscation fallacy on your part. And I’m not sure you realize you’re even committing it.
The testimony he's collected is great, but anything else out of his mouth is generally so exaggerated and unfalsifiable that it's basically just storytelling.
And? What does that have to do with anything? I mean THROW AWAY anything he himself has said. It’s called critical thinking, bro; separating the wheat from the chaff. Throw away what doesn’t work, keep what does. You would be well advised to do that with everything in life as it stands. And if you do that with Steven Greer, what do you get? You get what I already mentioned above, which is more than enough to make a very strong argument - even in a court of law - for the actual existence of ETs on and around this planet.
why hasn't anyone collected the $100,000 award Greer offers?
Because nobody wants to fucking die, son. $100,000 ain’t gonna follow you to the grave when you end up like Michael Hastings.
Again, you’re trying too hard, and your trying so hard is keeping you from realizing that you don’t really have much of an argument here. All you're doing is committing a very convoluted Argument Against The Person fallacy.
Just because ufo's don't work by gasoline, doesn't mean they break the laws of thermodynamics.
These “laws” are “laws” that have been devised by human limitation and ignorance. To think that we’ve figured out the "law" of almost anything in a universe this vast - to think that there aren’t beings and intelligences that have enough understanding to make our measly understanding obsolete - is truly hubristic.
Independent of anything that happened in the documentary or that Greer’s done, you’ve done exactly nothing to actually address the actual content of The Disclosure Project of the Citizens Hearing On Disclosure. This is a classic (if not desperate) obfuscation fallacy on your part. And I’m not sure you realize you’re even committing it.
Go ahead and show me where I said I didn't believe the witness testimony? Oh, you showed me where I said it was good. Right, just checking.
I mean THROW AWAY anything he himself has said. It’s called critical thinking, bro; separating the wheat from the chaff.
I do throw away what he says, and recommend others do the same. That's what my prior comment said. Go ahead, read it. You're simultaneously moving the goalposts and arguing with yourself.
Because nobody wants to fucking die, son. $100,000 ain’t gonna follow you to the grave when you end up like Michael Hastings.
But Greer is a master at protecting anonymity? Right? Right?
Also, the laws of thermodynamics are one of mankind's greatest achievements in describing the physical universe. The sum of the entropies of two interacting systems will always increase. I'd explain what this means and the difference between "free energy" and devices using small input for total energy gain, but I have a feeling you'll "critical think" your way out of learning a damn thing.
Again, you’re trying too hard, and your trying so hard is keeping you from realizing that you don’t really have much of an argument here. All you're doing is committing a very convoluted Argument Against The Person fallacy.
Once again, I already said:
witness testimony good.
Greer stories bad.
And what you're trying to say is Ad Hominem. Either that or you did a quick google of logical fallacies and pasted "Attack Against The Person" because it sounded good.
Basically, you're trying really hard to convince yourself that I'm trying really hard.
Go ahead and show me where I said I didn't believe the witness testimony?
I can show you where you’ve been incorrectly assuming that I was giving more time to Greer himself than The Disclosure Project I initially brought up. That’s for sure.
I do throw away what he says, and recommend others do the same. That's what my prior comment said. Go ahead, read it. You're simultaneously moving the goalposts and arguing with yourself.
Then why the hell did you even bring up Greer in the first place? It’s like you brought up a completely unnecessary factor into this conversation…and for what? Just so you can hear yourself argue unnecessarily? Wat? Wow, man…
Look…I didn’t even bother reading anything else you posted in this response after the above comment you made. Just…not worth it. The points I made still very much stand. If you want to keep making your “Raar anti Greer! Raaar!” arguments, then go right ahead. Knock yourself out. You’ll be in an echo chamber allll by yourself. Enjoy.
This issue is bigger than Greer, bigger then me, bigger than you, bigger than any one person. If you want to keep trying to bring the entire thing down by childishly attacking Greer himself…then okay.
Is it not possible the government created these documents to make it look like they're in touch with aliens, to make themselves look like demi-gods, more deserving of their power over other humans? It could be lies.
Anything's possible. However, you have to ask yourself what the likelihood is that every sighting and every contact experience that has ever taken place and that has been recounted by so many different types of individuals from all different walks of life throughout all of history…are all the doing of “the government”. Sightings and contact experience have existed long before this or almost any other government has even existed - so how could this government have been responsible for all the sightings and contact experiences recorded from ancient times? Heck, they’re not even responsible for all the ones that have occurred in today’s day and age - to say nothing about what happened 100+ years ago and longer.
Additionally, what you're postulating is stretching the importance and power of the government way further than it should be. Regarding “fake” craft sightings or "fake" abduction scenarios? It wouldn’t be the government anyway that would be the entity involved with whatever globally powerful and covert machination necessary to do that in the first place.
SOME sightings are definitely covert MIC ops. Yes. However, most definitely not all. By a long shot.
No. Because - as I've literally already stated - I've A) already have personal experiences (so I don't need you or anybody to "believe" me or anything I said one way or the other. I already have a good idea that things are very much not as we're indoctrinated and brought up to believe they are), and B) independent of any personal experience that I've ever had, there are people like Captain Randy Cramer, Andrew Basiago, Brett Stillings, Laura Eisenhower (great granddaughter of Dwight D. Eisenhower), Dr. John Mack, etc, etc who have been involved in projects and who's information is a LOT more sound and filled with documentation than anything you could come up with and provide.
You come here and are either a shill that is paid to attempt to discredit information or are simply that ignorant and stupid that you unthinkingly discard information based upon what you don't know without even bothering to first do some work and due diligence prior to opening your mouth. I would actually hope you're simply a shill paid to unthinkingly, uncritically poop on information, because if you're not, then that means that your'e literally just saying "Nope. Not real. Can't happen." based on...nothing really. Based solely on your own personal level of not knowing; on your own personal level of ignorance coming from what you've been told in your life is and isn't the case by the MSM.
Come on, man. You HAVE to raise your level of critical thinking in life. You will get absolutely nowhere otherwise.
Anyone who takes an unbiased, open-minded (yet skeptical, very important) look at the enormous amount of data, evidence, and credible testimony cannot come away without believing something we fundamentally don't understand is happening. Less than .1% of all sightings and encounters need to be true for it to be a very world shaking concept.
Anyone who takes an unbiased, open-minded (yet skeptical, very important) look at the enormous amount of data, evidence, and credible testimony cannot come away without believing something we fundamentally don't understand is happening.
I would say more than skeptical, what one should do is be critical. Don't be skeptical. Be critical. To be skeptical is to automatically bend toward a "Na. Didn't happen/couldn't have happened." perspective - which automatically makes one biased in one direction or the other. You absolutely do not want to be biased one way or the other for or against a thing. You want to simply approach the subject matter with a critical thinking mind and intelligently assess the situation as objectively as you can regardless of where the evidence leads.
Additionally, I wouldn't say that we would acknowledge the existence of something "we fundamentally DON'T understand". I feel many of us VERY MUCH understand exactly what's happening. "ET" doesn't necessarily mean "so anomalous that we can't possibly comprehend it". A lot of ET phenomena is very understandable. Most certainly not all of it, of course, but let's not sell ourselves too short here. Some of it we do understand.
Less than .1% of all sightings and encounters need to be true for it to be a very world shaking concept.
Absolutely correct - and a lot more than 1% of all reports are true.
I was attempting to present the phenomenon as something approachable by those that have not done so. And I prefer my own words, thank you. It's a field full of hoax, fraud, and charlatans and I'd rather not waste time hearing the David Wilcoxs of the world spin their yarns.
Your response and the pitfalls that it's unwittingly falling prey to are the very reason why it’s actually critical thinking and not simple, child-like “skepticism” that’s needed in order to fully understand what’s going on in this field.
Before I saw any documentary I used to talk about 9/11 with a very smart friend of mine, neither of us bought the official story there seemed to be too many oddities about.
The official story is so obviously debunked by the slightest bit of research. And if the murder of the president by his own people can be covered up, what else is going on in the world?
I was formerly Catholic and that started the journey into conspiracy theories. Watched videos about satanism in music/pop culture/etc. Boy, have I come along way. Sorry I don't have a vid, that was years ago. Just thought I'd comment..
Personally I think the music industry handles ruining pop stars by themselves without outside influence being necessary. You'd think by now someone would've told Miley that everybody like weed and sex, and to get the fuck over it. But edgy preteen appeal=$$$
Zeitgeist is what started it for me. I never really subscribed to their whole "technocracy/resource based economy" ideal for society, but all three of the Zeitgeist documentaries are very wonderfully made and definiteley got me asking some of the right questions.
It wasn't to long after that I discovered Stefan Molyneux, and watched "The Story of your Enslavement". Which to this day I still consider one of the most life changing experiences I have ever had. I started devouring all of his videos and was introduced to the concepts of Anarchy, Voluntaryism, and the Non Aggression Principle.
Being an Anarchist feels so natural and correct to me now, it is the lense I view the world through, its principles help me discern the true nature of reality, and while I'm still open to new and potentially better ideas, I don't really watch to many videos anymore. I mostly just read and try to be as active and healthy as possible
I've seen a few of his videos, and no offense to your interests, but I do not find him to be particularly helpful or even decent person. The video you linked is an allegory using farm animals to describe the evil of corrupt government and banking. Totally original and not required reading for 14 year olds or anything.
I've seen him berating callers, berating his audience for not giving him money for posting his free internet videos, berating more callers, reversing questions, avoiding questions, generally being a nasty person. Please be careful with how you let this man influence you.
This might sound a little lame, but when I was a little kid I was intrigued by the JFK assassination. Also when I saw the movie Arlington Road for the first time they talked about how Timothy McVegh was the lone wolf in Oklahoma City bombings. It clicked in my head that all these complicated events where all carried out by one person... Not likely. I was still in high school during 9/11 and the whole thing seemed a lot like the first episode of the x-files spin off the lone gunmen. I've never trusted the government or the media.
This 5 second video clip of building 7 falling down. I mean you can see the columns blow out with explosives right before it collapses, it's really obvious this was done by a demolition team. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWorDrTC0Qg&t=44s
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6 zyklorpthehuman 2015-12-15
Building 7
3 magnora7 2015-12-15
It just makes no sense except for demolition. The videos of it falling shows it. And the wing of the pentagon that exploded had all the people and documents related to the investigation of the missing $2.3 trillion announced by the pentagon the day before.
That was the thing for me too, building 7.
2 Ezekiels_Dry_Bones 2015-12-15
"Pull it"
5 jacks1000 2015-12-15
When I saw the World Trade Center towers blow up before my eyes.
2 Erj2969 2015-12-15
I saw the plane hit the second one, that moment changed me for good.
1 Ezekiels_Dry_Bones 2015-12-15
I was very young at the time, so I saw it when they turned it on in the classroom. I don't remember much but I remember seeing pictures of molten steel on the ground that I can't find anymore.
5 inbetweentime 2015-12-15
Actually, maybe someone can help. Years ago there was a video on youtube, of some US president a few decades ago giving a speech, which was cut short by a whisper in his ear from some head of a bank who was standing behind him. Sorry for the vagueness but does anyone know who it was? It was a really old video and was the first real proof I saw that politics/life/power weren't exactly as we're taught.
Around the same time, I was writing a paper on global financial aid, and was researching the IMF. All was well until I got into reading about their loan conditionalities. This organization was supposed to be helping the globe's poorest countries, but what I was reading wasn't adding up. That was a shock to me and that's about when I started to look at everything critically.
Zeitgeist 1 was an eye-opener for me as well, around the same time.
7 Putin_loves_cats 2015-12-15
I believe this is what you are talking about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTcL6Xc_eMM. It was Ronald Reagan.
2 inbetweentime 2015-12-15
Yes! Thank you.
That particular video isn't available in my country but it was easy to search. Much appreciated.
3 Putin_loves_cats 2015-12-15
No problem. The ole "speed it up" said to Reagan by a Myrril Lynch crony.
4 no1113 2015-12-15
Fact: ETs exist on and around this planet. Why aren't we being told, and what power is in place that has the ability to keep this fact from an entire planet?
The rabbit hole goes deeep.
2 blumpkin_berry 2015-12-15
share some stuff I'm curious
2 no1113 2015-12-15
Since my own personal experiences alone aren't (or at least shouldn't be) enough to convince anyone but myself of the truth of ET existence, I'd say just look into The Disclosure Project and the Citizens Hearing On Disclosure. Both consist of hours and hours of high level military, civilian, and government personnel recounting under oath their experiences with beings, craft, and projects dealing with the very subject.
Only the most abjectly blind individual will discount the testimony of this many high level professionals coming forward and attesting to what they've experienced, know about, and have (or have had) access to.
3 FloodMoose 2015-12-15
I especially love the incident when the US barred the Canadian government official from coming to a large UFO conference a few years ago. The conference was in the US and the official was not allowed across the boarder. Whether it's et or dimensional / technological / transhuman, or just breakaway civilization, it's worth keeping quiet to certain people.
2 no1113 2015-12-15
Yep. Definitely.
They're all of these things though. Existence in this cosmos spans all of these different types scenarios and then some.
TPTB on this planet have zero desire to let the plebs (us) know anything about any of this, however. The moment we know about the reality of ET existence on and around this planet is the moment we find out about the free energy systems they use for power and propulsion - and the moment we find out about those technologies and begin making use of them ourselves is the very moment we will no longer have any use for the oil, gas, and fossil fuel burning paradigm that exists on this planet. That is a multi trillion dollar industry that has the entire planet and civilization in a grip of slavery and has killed millions of people in oil-motivated wars of aggression.
All of that would be gone w/the discovery and implementation of the free energy technologies that ETs most definitely have.
0 Ezekiels_Dry_Bones 2015-12-15
If the phenomenon is indeed real, this is certainly true. However, please be wary of believing everything said by Steven Greer. A lot of the UFO community is very careful to take his personal anecdotes and statements with a large grain of salt. Especially the stuff about modern, working, free energy devices. He's collected a lot of money in the name of this issue without offering any evidence or progress.
1 no1113 2015-12-15
Who's believing ANYTHING said by Greer? There is no "belief". Believe nothing. What you should do is be intelligent and critically thinking. Understand information, probabilities, and evidence. Greer has nothing to do with any of this. He is only the mouthpiece and information disseminator. Nothing more.
A lot of the UFO community is, to put it mildly, not very critically minded or very intelligent.
ETs existing on and around this planet actually affirms and proves the existence of modern, working, free energy devices. For how else do you think they got here? using crafts running on internal combustion engines and gasoline?
Free energy exists. Period. Full stop.
How so? Explain how he's collected a lot of money in the name of this issue. I've never heard him say anything like "give me money and I'll show you free energy devices"
Explain.
0 Ezekiels_Dry_Bones 2015-12-15
Ok wow, I was trying to be nice but alright here we are. If we're thinking critically, instead of presenting the mountains of evidence, paperwork, and witness testimony he's collected, Greer based his entire sirius documentary on how badass he is and how people pay him hundreds of dollars to go meditate in the desert and to photograph military flares and woodland moths. The testimony he's collected is great, but anything else out of his mouth is generally so exaggerated and unfalsifiable that it's basically just storytelling. Most reasonable people I've talked to presume him to be a CIA disinformation agent, telling stories about psy powers and 2-mile wide saucers to discredit the witnesses he actually does rarely present. As for free energy "existing. period. full stop."? If this is so, why hasn't anyone collected the $100,000 award Greer offers? And here's the page where it says they've collected $250k- http://www.siriusdisclosure.com/donate/ Just because ufo's don't work by gasoline, doesn't mean they break the laws of thermodynamics. The quantum foam and the casimir effect are incredibly weak forces by our energy standards. It's far more likely that any UFO craft uses miniature nuclear reactors, plasma storage, or some kind of fuel we don't have the technology for. The "box sized free energy generator" types of device Greer is fantasizing about are long running scams perpetrated by charlatans just as bad as him. Just because we don't understand the technology doesn't mean it comes from nowhere. It's a nice dream but the laws of physics do not work that way.
1 no1113 2015-12-15
You’re trying way too hard, son. Way. Independent of anything that happened in the documentary or that Greer’s done, you’ve done exactly nothing to actually address the actual content of The Disclosure Project of the Citizens Hearing On Disclosure. This is a classic (if not desperate) obfuscation fallacy on your part. And I’m not sure you realize you’re even committing it.
And? What does that have to do with anything? I mean THROW AWAY anything he himself has said. It’s called critical thinking, bro; separating the wheat from the chaff. Throw away what doesn’t work, keep what does. You would be well advised to do that with everything in life as it stands. And if you do that with Steven Greer, what do you get? You get what I already mentioned above, which is more than enough to make a very strong argument - even in a court of law - for the actual existence of ETs on and around this planet.
Because nobody wants to fucking die, son. $100,000 ain’t gonna follow you to the grave when you end up like Michael Hastings.
Again, you’re trying too hard, and your trying so hard is keeping you from realizing that you don’t really have much of an argument here. All you're doing is committing a very convoluted Argument Against The Person fallacy.
These “laws” are “laws” that have been devised by human limitation and ignorance. To think that we’ve figured out the "law" of almost anything in a universe this vast - to think that there aren’t beings and intelligences that have enough understanding to make our measly understanding obsolete - is truly hubristic.
1 Ezekiels_Dry_Bones 2015-12-15
Go ahead and show me where I said I didn't believe the witness testimony? Oh, you showed me where I said it was good. Right, just checking.
I do throw away what he says, and recommend others do the same. That's what my prior comment said. Go ahead, read it. You're simultaneously moving the goalposts and arguing with yourself.
But Greer is a master at protecting anonymity? Right? Right? Also, the laws of thermodynamics are one of mankind's greatest achievements in describing the physical universe. The sum of the entropies of two interacting systems will always increase. I'd explain what this means and the difference between "free energy" and devices using small input for total energy gain, but I have a feeling you'll "critical think" your way out of learning a damn thing.
Once again, I already said:
witness testimony good. Greer stories bad.
And what you're trying to say is Ad Hominem. Either that or you did a quick google of logical fallacies and pasted "Attack Against The Person" because it sounded good. Basically, you're trying really hard to convince yourself that I'm trying really hard.
0 no1113 2015-12-15
I can show you where you’ve been incorrectly assuming that I was giving more time to Greer himself than The Disclosure Project I initially brought up. That’s for sure.
Then why the hell did you even bring up Greer in the first place? It’s like you brought up a completely unnecessary factor into this conversation…and for what? Just so you can hear yourself argue unnecessarily? Wat? Wow, man…
Look…I didn’t even bother reading anything else you posted in this response after the above comment you made. Just…not worth it. The points I made still very much stand. If you want to keep making your “Raar anti Greer! Raaar!” arguments, then go right ahead. Knock yourself out. You’ll be in an echo chamber allll by yourself. Enjoy.
This issue is bigger than Greer, bigger then me, bigger than you, bigger than any one person. If you want to keep trying to bring the entire thing down by childishly attacking Greer himself…then okay.
Have fun.
1 magnora7 2015-12-15
Is it not possible the government created these documents to make it look like they're in touch with aliens, to make themselves look like demi-gods, more deserving of their power over other humans? It could be lies.
1 no1113 2015-12-15
Anything's possible. However, you have to ask yourself what the likelihood is that every sighting and every contact experience that has ever taken place and that has been recounted by so many different types of individuals from all different walks of life throughout all of history…are all the doing of “the government”. Sightings and contact experience have existed long before this or almost any other government has even existed - so how could this government have been responsible for all the sightings and contact experiences recorded from ancient times? Heck, they’re not even responsible for all the ones that have occurred in today’s day and age - to say nothing about what happened 100+ years ago and longer.
Additionally, what you're postulating is stretching the importance and power of the government way further than it should be. Regarding “fake” craft sightings or "fake" abduction scenarios? It wouldn’t be the government anyway that would be the entity involved with whatever globally powerful and covert machination necessary to do that in the first place.
SOME sightings are definitely covert MIC ops. Yes. However, most definitely not all. By a long shot.
Everything I said above still very much stands.
0 maggot86 2015-12-15
So your "proof" is an argument from authority yet you ramble on a conspiracy board, cute
1 no1113 2015-12-15
You're not a very intelligent or critical thinker, are you? smh
0 maggot86 2015-12-15
Oh cuz you're some sort of critical "thinker" who says ET on earth is a fact, interesting...
1 no1113 2015-12-15
No. Because - as I've literally already stated - I've A) already have personal experiences (so I don't need you or anybody to "believe" me or anything I said one way or the other. I already have a good idea that things are very much not as we're indoctrinated and brought up to believe they are), and B) independent of any personal experience that I've ever had, there are people like Captain Randy Cramer, Andrew Basiago, Brett Stillings, Laura Eisenhower (great granddaughter of Dwight D. Eisenhower), Dr. John Mack, etc, etc who have been involved in projects and who's information is a LOT more sound and filled with documentation than anything you could come up with and provide.
You come here and are either a shill that is paid to attempt to discredit information or are simply that ignorant and stupid that you unthinkingly discard information based upon what you don't know without even bothering to first do some work and due diligence prior to opening your mouth. I would actually hope you're simply a shill paid to unthinkingly, uncritically poop on information, because if you're not, then that means that your'e literally just saying "Nope. Not real. Can't happen." based on...nothing really. Based solely on your own personal level of not knowing; on your own personal level of ignorance coming from what you've been told in your life is and isn't the case by the MSM.
Come on, man. You HAVE to raise your level of critical thinking in life. You will get absolutely nowhere otherwise.
Think, man. It ain't illegal yet.
1 Ezekiels_Dry_Bones 2015-12-15
Anyone who takes an unbiased, open-minded (yet skeptical, very important) look at the enormous amount of data, evidence, and credible testimony cannot come away without believing something we fundamentally don't understand is happening. Less than .1% of all sightings and encounters need to be true for it to be a very world shaking concept.
0 no1113 2015-12-15
I would say more than skeptical, what one should do is be critical. Don't be skeptical. Be critical. To be skeptical is to automatically bend toward a "Na. Didn't happen/couldn't have happened." perspective - which automatically makes one biased in one direction or the other. You absolutely do not want to be biased one way or the other for or against a thing. You want to simply approach the subject matter with a critical thinking mind and intelligently assess the situation as objectively as you can regardless of where the evidence leads.
Additionally, I wouldn't say that we would acknowledge the existence of something "we fundamentally DON'T understand". I feel many of us VERY MUCH understand exactly what's happening. "ET" doesn't necessarily mean "so anomalous that we can't possibly comprehend it". A lot of ET phenomena is very understandable. Most certainly not all of it, of course, but let's not sell ourselves too short here. Some of it we do understand.
Absolutely correct - and a lot more than 1% of all reports are true.
1 Ezekiels_Dry_Bones 2015-12-15
I was attempting to present the phenomenon as something approachable by those that have not done so. And I prefer my own words, thank you. It's a field full of hoax, fraud, and charlatans and I'd rather not waste time hearing the David Wilcoxs of the world spin their yarns.
0 no1113 2015-12-15
Your response and the pitfalls that it's unwittingly falling prey to are the very reason why it’s actually critical thinking and not simple, child-like “skepticism” that’s needed in order to fully understand what’s going on in this field.
But okay. Keep doing you, bro.
3 blumpkin_berry 2015-12-15
Before I saw any documentary I used to talk about 9/11 with a very smart friend of mine, neither of us bought the official story there seemed to be too many oddities about.
Then I went down the rabbit hole and holy shit...
3 bitcoin_noob 2015-12-15
JFK.
The official story is so obviously debunked by the slightest bit of research. And if the murder of the president by his own people can be covered up, what else is going on in the world?
2 redditeditard 2015-12-15
JFK, thank you, Oliver Stone...
2 Denmark1976 2015-12-15
Building 7.
1 Putin_loves_cats 2015-12-15
I was formerly Catholic and that started the journey into conspiracy theories. Watched videos about satanism in music/pop culture/etc. Boy, have I come along way. Sorry I don't have a vid, that was years ago. Just thought I'd comment..
1 Ezekiels_Dry_Bones 2015-12-15
Personally I think the music industry handles ruining pop stars by themselves without outside influence being necessary. You'd think by now someone would've told Miley that everybody like weed and sex, and to get the fuck over it. But edgy preteen appeal=$$$
1 RMFN 2015-12-15
Loose Change!
1 swankygoose 2015-12-15
Zeitgeist is what started it for me. I never really subscribed to their whole "technocracy/resource based economy" ideal for society, but all three of the Zeitgeist documentaries are very wonderfully made and definiteley got me asking some of the right questions.
It wasn't to long after that I discovered Stefan Molyneux, and watched "The Story of your Enslavement". Which to this day I still consider one of the most life changing experiences I have ever had. I started devouring all of his videos and was introduced to the concepts of Anarchy, Voluntaryism, and the Non Aggression Principle.
Being an Anarchist feels so natural and correct to me now, it is the lense I view the world through, its principles help me discern the true nature of reality, and while I'm still open to new and potentially better ideas, I don't really watch to many videos anymore. I mostly just read and try to be as active and healthy as possible
Link to "The Story of Your Enslavement":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbp6umQT58A
1 Ezekiels_Dry_Bones 2015-12-15
I've seen a few of his videos, and no offense to your interests, but I do not find him to be particularly helpful or even decent person. The video you linked is an allegory using farm animals to describe the evil of corrupt government and banking. Totally original and not required reading for 14 year olds or anything. I've seen him berating callers, berating his audience for not giving him money for posting his free internet videos, berating more callers, reversing questions, avoiding questions, generally being a nasty person. Please be careful with how you let this man influence you.
1 TuxPi 2015-12-15
This might sound a little lame, but when I was a little kid I was intrigued by the JFK assassination. Also when I saw the movie Arlington Road for the first time they talked about how Timothy McVegh was the lone wolf in Oklahoma City bombings. It clicked in my head that all these complicated events where all carried out by one person... Not likely. I was still in high school during 9/11 and the whole thing seemed a lot like the first episode of the x-files spin off the lone gunmen. I've never trusted the government or the media.
1 tazcatlipoca 2015-12-15
When I saw this video in 2011 that's when I really started to research and question wtf is going on https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DY7zx1VXC_0
1 magnora7 2015-12-15
This 5 second video clip of building 7 falling down. I mean you can see the columns blow out with explosives right before it collapses, it's really obvious this was done by a demolition team. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWorDrTC0Qg&t=44s
1 quicksilvereagle 2015-12-15
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemstone_File I found this on a bbs in 1982
1 make_mind_free2go 2015-12-15
JFK
3 Putin_loves_cats 2015-12-15
No problem. The ole "speed it up" said to Reagan by a Myrril Lynch crony.