Great post.

Well technically i cannot say but ...ya know. Those who oppose our investigation into the truth.

I think it's a little fucked up we aren't allowed to say who in a conspiracy subreddit.

Yea... Ive been here 5 years or so and still thinks it is sketchy. Although calling someone a "shill" is dismissive..

But the downvotes can take care of that. If you call someone a shill who isn't actually a shill, people will downvote you.

All you see is a final vote not the pluses vs the minus so it's an incomplete picture of the truth. You have no idea if 45 people agreed and 47 disagreed giving a final -2 vote. That paints a very different picture than just seeing -2. There's also nothing stopping people from making hundreds of sock puppet accounts and casting votes.

Went i went to voat i was so happy to see they show both howmany upvotes and downvotes

It's also fun to sort by controversy. It weighs the most balanced comments between up and down votes.

Yea but the rules are the way they are. Unless we democratically vote it out then it is that way.

Let's get a vote goin

I mean we really could but i feel the vote brigade would be on it like a bee to honey. Never know till we try.

Can someone fill me in via pm? I'm confused

investigation into the truth

Don't you mean "investigation"??? You don't get to decide it's "truth" WHILE you are investigating. You do see that, don't you? You've already decided you are "right" so your "investigation" is tainted.

Sorry for pointing out the obvious. You can't "investigate" when you have already decided. You are just looking for justification for your bias, not "investigating."

Downvote away...

Edit: I'm willing to bet part of your "investigation" is deciding all the parents of dead children are lying, all the birth and death certificates are fake, all the open casket funerals are fake, all the townspeople are in on it, but you have NO evidence to back any of those claims.

So quit saying "investigation." Say what it really is. You want to believe it is fake and you will ignore any evidence to the contrary. NOT how "investigations" work, unless you are a corrupt police department.

You are saying my bias makes my statement invalid, ok. But it was a generalization. i think you kinda blew it out of proportion.

"i think you kinda blew it out of proportion."

He made up shit and tried to put words in your mouth.

Most sensible post I've seen on this sub. You don't start with the conclusion,

Strawman.

Big Fail.

Correct. A wicked Strawman. An investigation by its very nature is to find the truth. So by saying...

Those who oppose our investigation into the truth.

Is in no way shape or form even close to...

You've already decided you are "right"

Its sounds like to me someone is a little cranky over the fact that anyone is investigating the underpinnings of Sandy Hook at all. And the truth will be found. The truth outweighs a lie every time.

Are you Fox moulder?

there's a conspiracy to make it appear like this topic is being brigaded, so that it gets more attention.. nah, too elaborate. this is the most brigaded topic I've seen on the sub. Even more than the Boston drills.

I think it comes partly down to the "think of the children" aspect. I've seen more appeals to emotion in regards to Sandy Hook in the last couple days on this sub than I have ever seen when discussing other possible psyops like San Bernardino.

that's the trauma programming. anyone with kids is affected more. one girl at work was literally crying on hearing the news - this is in Canada.

Because once this is exposed all other false flags fall with it.

I wonder if the /r/news post was released and voted to the top by shills/changing the votes on reddit servers to coincide with this latest DNA report.

https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/3x8lx0/professor_to_be_fired_for_harassing_family_of/

Time it so all the anti-conspiracy circlejerking drowns out the actual truth of the matter.

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that thread is a graveyard of censorship. I've been ridiculed and fought by all kinds of proponents of the narrative, and not lost one argument all day. they have nothing.

No, you attempted to weasel out of providing the slightest bit of evidence by trying to say that the idea Adam Lanza was responsible was an "extraordinary claim". When, in reality, that would be the fairy story involving hundreds of "crisis actors" preferred by Sandy Hoaxers.

one at a time.

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and don't forget bots

The letter in question, bearing "convicted offender" DNA was NOT found at the home. It was sent from New York to the school. More info:

http://wtnh.com/2014/10/01/after-long-battle-for-access-sandy-hook-letter-offers-little/

"How could there be more than one persons DNA found at the crime scene, when according to the official report Adam Lanza acted alone?"

Because the crime scene involved multiple victims...

Okay, DNA is not like you think it is. This isn't CSI. It doesn't always show up, it isn't where you think it is always think it is.

FYI if you get blood in a magazine bullets will get blood on them. Thank you for your non-expert analysis.

How do you explain this then, genius? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaHtxlSDgbk

Dont be a cunt to a person offering a different view, clearly state your points and see if he offers a counter.

Also dont use youtube videos to prove a point most of them are bullshit.

Don't criticize Youtube as a source when you have no idea what you're talking about.

Also don't tell others what to do when you have no authority, you just look like an idiot barking orders.

Here's a better thought, don't tell me what to do, and go fuck yourself.

So have second thoughts about that one? Or did you take my advice to heart and want to have an adult conversation instead of behaving like a child?

Of course I have no authority its the fucking internet, all I can do is suggest you reframe your argument so as not to look like an ignorant twat.

And yeah dont use youtube as a primary source, education requires a little bit of reading and research.

Uh, not quite how I worded it, but sure, go fuck yourself works too.

Actually its exactly how you said it, I copied it.

I tab browse a lot so I still had the tab open where you went full child.

What? Uh, I never said that... Seems you got your messages mixed up.

No you changed your reply immediately after you posted it, which is probably a good thing considering how stupid it was.

You dont have to lie on the internet.

He did the same thing to me in this same thread. He's nanners AND a liar.

Made a post, deleted it, added a new reply. When I called him out he edited the new post and claimed that that's what he did to begin with and that there was no deleted original and then he attacked me and claimed I just don't understand how Reddit works.

Nope. Did no such thing. Where's the evidence of your claim?

I closed that tab after I copied your text out.

I dont really care, I dont think anyone else does either. People make cunty comments all the time. But you and I at least both know what you really wrote before removing it.

I think its funny dude.

This video is so dumb I don't even want to sit through it. And if I do, and I deconstruct the stupidity of it, will you change your mind?

Thanks for this, another thing to add to the Sandy Hoax list

Hi

Hi

Christopher Rodia is all over the production.

R.o.d.I.a.

Doesn't seem like a very convincing argument. Multiple DNA on objects? I don't get it. Isn't this all to be expected?

I agree. Finding multiple people's DNA on a firearm isn't compelling in the slightest. I guarantee you, if you checked for DNA on some of my guns you'd find up to 4 different people's DNA.

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They did find his DNA on the foregrip on one of the fire arms, and he wore gloves during the shooting.

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no censorship

Where does it say that thing about the DNA on the envelope?

Tl;dr?

I'm so sick of all the Sandy Hook bullshit. You idiots are why no one ever takes actual conspiracy theories seriously. Here's a question: Why? If you think there's a conspiracy, and this whole town and all of these parents are actors, why? What's been accomplished?

It's absurd to think an element in the government would try to stage a mass shooting event in a country where that type of event has practically become a weekly occurrence. When exactly do you think they're coming for your guns? It's been 3 years and there has been exactly zero significant new gun legislation, and there have been hundreds of additional shootings. You have become a perfect caricature of tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy theorists.

Edit: In before they "shill" comments start.

So you would prefer that we do not think critically about the event and just be outraged, then.

This is the problem: you all pat yourselves on the back for "thinking critically." You're just being completely irrational.

If you're hoping for rationality, you're probably in the wrong subreddit.

I'm absolutely aware. I subbed here because there are certain conspiracies that I feel really strongly about like 9/11, and there are others that I think are entertaining to talk and think about, but the Sandy Hook stuff, which seems to come to a head on the anniversary blows me away. Some of the people that post here are just unadulterated retards. As I've said before, they're the ones that give legitimate conspiracies a stigma, and it's disgusting. Downvote me all you want.

I was hoping when I stopped by the subreddit, that it would have "interesting" conspiracies. I recently found out about the Moscow apartment bombings and there's interesting evidence and evidence of a cover-up: basically, Putin bombed his way into office. PBS Frontline did a very compelling piece on it.

It's "everything one could want" in a conspiracy, but it's probably laughed at or yawned at in this subreddit.

Whoa, that's nuts! This is the sort of thing I come here for.

The rules on the sidebar shouldn't be too hard to follow. Please give them a read and consider this a friendly warning.

We would prefer you didn't exacerbate grief and torture families of dead children to further your narrative.

thinking critically = grief and torture?

I'll bet you are a liberal.

Thinking. Critically in this case= accusing the families of dead children of bowing to money to allow their children to be killed. They've been harassed for years by "critical thinkers".

And why do you say liberal as though it's an insult? I bet you are a libertarian.

let's not smear all libertarians. he could be a republican.

Are you saying that in the wake of the shootings there wasn't a very big push for gun legislation?

I suggest you watch this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaR1YBR5g6U

It's not some "conspiracy theorist" video, although it is definitely about conspiracy. It is a mainstream CDC documentary about the propaganda used in the first Gulf War - plrimarily the "babies in incubators" story, which was entirely fabricated, including using actors that appeared before congress.

The problem with your viewpoint is that the way we are governed is through use of public relations techniques (Public Relations means propaganda, look up Edward Bernays who developed it). There is always a "pretext" involved - "babies in incubators" or "WMD in Iraq" - the government knows these things are bullshit. They actually spend an enormous amount of time and money coming up with ways of selling to the public what they want to do, albeit for entirely different reasons than what the public is told.

So given those facts who is naive? The person that questions what he sees on TV, or the person that doesn't?

I'm well aware of Edward Bernays, and I certainly understand the ways that these stories are used to persuade the public. I truly think I am a "conspiracy theorist." If all of the examples you're citing, however, are of instances where disinformation has played a role in creating some real, desired change, you've basically proved yourselves wrong with Sandy Hook... Literally nothing has changed since Sandy Hook, and it's been 3 years. The other this is this: I do question what I see on TV, friend. There is a difference, however, in being a skeptic and being a joke.

This guy gets it

How do you explain this then, genius? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaHtxlSDgbk Oh that's right, you can't. I await your ad hominem, because you will have nothing else but that.

This is the source you want to use?

For real? For really real?

Cherry-picking. You'll have to do better than that.

I'm not cherrypicking but I really won't have to do better either. You can pause that video at almost any point and +/- 6 seconds or so will find you another screenshot at least as hysterical. It's nonstop.

I also don't have to discredit something that was never credible to begin with. Look at that dimple guys! That means he's totally the same in both pictures! A DIMPLE!

I'm breaking my own rule by tapping the glass here though, usually I just like to watch the crazy from afar because they don't air King of the Hill anymore and I miss Dale.

Find me another screenshot. Go. Just one. Should be easy if you can find them at any point, right?

Look at that dimple guys! That means he's totally the same in both pictures! A DIMPLE!

Uh, just look at the face... They're clearly the same person. If you can't see that you're either blind, stupid, or a shill. I'm going to go with stupid, but who knows.

I'm breaking my own rule by tapping the glass here though, usually I just like to watch the crazy from afar because they don't air King of the Hill anymore and I miss Dale.

Ad-hominem, like I said, that's all you have to offer. A screenshot of a single cherrypicked section of a video and ad-hominem about being crazy. Hahaha. Too predictable.

they don't air King of the Hill anymore and I miss Dale.

Yeah, I'm not surprised you watch that garbage. It's about what I'd expect from someone of your intellect.

Why do you always send a comment, delete it, and then send another larger comment right afterward instead of editing the original?

Do you not want people to know that the content was edited for some reason?

What are you trying to hide?

What? I clearly edited my comment to add more, hence the star. Do you even know how to Reddit? Cute that you've changed the topic though. I'm still waiting for the screenshot that you claim is extremely easy to find because they're allegedly every 6 seconds apart.

Different edit after the fact, liar.

It took me a long time to upload them because there were so many. Here you go. All hilarious.

http://imgur.com/Gnm9wrQ
http://imgur.com/MAWK1jJ
http://imgur.com/tzREYIf
http://imgur.com/JTnMnPi
http://imgur.com/C0usijP
http://imgur.com/uinMyLe
http://imgur.com/ZRdfX9b
http://imgur.com/1MnY2HH
http://imgur.com/4U7fGZA
http://imgur.com/BpfAnLT

I think real conspiracy here is clearly all the government shills intentionally posting bad arguments to discredit the rest of the group that have a legitimate argument. But can you believe that it's almost everyone that's in on it?!

Wasn't a different edit, you just have no idea what you're doing on Reddit. It's quite simple to use, so it's embarrassing that this is the case.

Not seeing what's "hysterical" about a single one of those screenshots? You can't just go and take random screenshots and claim they're "hysterical", you need to explain why. Otherwise you're just full of shit. I mean, the first one is actually a great example of them being the exact same person... If you can't see that you are truly really stupid. I will admit the first one you posted of Adam Lanza (before your terrible list of screenshots) was slightly amusing (only due to the "vertical line" comment), but nothing else in that video was even remotely questionable. So I'll wait for a breakdown of your screenshots, until then, you have nothing to offer.

Also your last paragraph made little sense. You're not very bright. Keep up please.

You just stuck your fingers in your ears and screamed "lalalalalalalanotlisteningtotallyprooflalalalala"

LOL. Wow... Proof? You didn't provide a single shred of "proof", you provided random screenshots of a video I already saw without explaining why ANY of them are "hysterical". Thank you for demonstrating what constitutes as proof to you though, no wonder you're so fucking delusional hahahaha.

That you need an explanation makes this so much funnier again. They're hysterical because they make WILD accusations without any real backing evidence.

If you want to discredit real conspiracy theorists by making such terrible arguments then you're going to have to try harder, officer.

I know what you are and what you're doing and we're too smart for that here.

As expected, no proof to back up your claims. You've lost this one I'm afraid, get back to me when you're willing to provide evidence.

I know what you are and what you're doing and we're too smart for that here.

A big part of your problem is that you think you're smart. It's actually made you quiet stupid, because your own delusion has clouded your judgement and given you the inability to see how dumb you really are. As a result, you've been given no way to correct yourself. So I'm letting you know, you're not smart. You're quite stupid. You should work on that. An excellent first step would be to learn how to provide evidence of your claims, a second step would be to learn how to assess evidence. Neither of which you are even remotely good at.

I don't need evidence to disprove a claim that never contained any.

Stop trying to make the people who are actually interested in the truth look crazy. Don't you know that you're doing a massive disservice to the pursuit of truth? Do you even care about finding out what's really happening in this world?

You're stepping on the toes of those here that are doing good work when you post this nonsense.

Edit: Did it again! You deleted your last post and them posted an update so that the original doesn't look edited.

Wow. Truly compelling...

Can I get the short version, that's a lot of reading?

Yeah, OP's analysis is bullshit. Multiple people's DNA at a crime scene is not strange, and a few of the things he said weren't accurate.

I'd pay money to be able to conduct an independent investigation of the DNA - comparing Ryan's, his mom's and dad's DNA to supposed Adam - if such a person ever existed.

Toxicology.

I'm well aware of Edward Bernays, and I certainly understand the ways that these stories are used to persuade the public. I truly think I am a "conspiracy theorist." If all of the examples you're citing, however, are of instances where disinformation has played a role in creating some real, desired change, you've basically proved yourselves wrong with Sandy Hook... Literally nothing has changed since Sandy Hook, and it's been 3 years. The other this is this: I do question what I see on TV, friend. There is a difference, however, in being a skeptic and being a joke.