You Cannot trust TheWayBackMachine (archive.org)

49  2015-12-27 by 911bodysnatchers322

I can prove either one of 2 things, that archive.org ("The WaybackMachine")

  1. ) has a deep state backdoor (and they do / don't know it)
  2. ) is an information gatekeeper for the establishment.

I've noticed this several times. You find a 'sensitive article' that you just know the establishment doesn't want you to read (eg: "how to build a proxyham" article another one of our awesome friends here on /r/conspiracy found and posted just yesterday) because of the implications, and it's gone. You think, "oh, that's fine, just go to waybackmachine" -- archive.org and you get one of three results:

  1. ) Hmm...we don't have that link archived --OR--
  2. ) Page cannot be crawled due to robots.txt --OR--
  3. ) Archived links that go to 404 / blank / not found pages

Seems like this is a legit failure of archive.org to archive those pages. Yet you have bookmarked them for a reason--you have seen content there before. These 'failures' of prominent pages (it was worthy enough for you to bookmark, and you learned about it from the thousands of upvotes of the link on reddit) are a form of plausible deniability for absent content that Archive.org has literally scrubbed from the Internet.

You may think that archive.org is some kind of politically agnostic site that works dutifully like a software machine 'spider' that goes out and copies the internet. That would be half wrong. So long as information keeps 'disappearing' then they are hypocrites or they are failing at their mission to keep a copy of the internet. Which is it?

Ok so finally my proof. It's actually bad proof in that it requires your help. I need your memory to be evidence.

I wrote this article on Hillary Clinton's stupid logo being designed by a company PENTAGRAM in NYC one month ago. In it, I included links to Pentagram's work and staff. Did any of you take a look? I know what I saw. I saw many pictures of their logos and a working website only one month ago.

Archive.org touts itself as an independent non-profit but look who they get their funding from: Alexa, an Amazon.com company. Amazon is as establishment as you can get: in fact, at this moment, they are running the CIA's software on their amazon elastic compute cloud, an arrangement that makes many people very uncomfortable (the integration of big business with big spying / intelligence). They are also aligned with Library of Congress (gov) and Smithsonian and are members of the American Library association-- this is about as establishment a gatekeeper as you can get.

I believe that Archive.org is an establishment tool to give the appearance of vanguarding information while actually doing no such thing. By selective scrubbing and giving the appearance of software failures or caching 404s, they are able to control the spectrum of 'free information'. This one example of PENTAGRAM is not the only example by far. I've noticed this trend and at first I thought it was simply a mistake (see plausible deniability above), but in this case, I got you dead to rights mfkas.

Furthermore, on their about page, they attempt to aggrandize themselves as a modern day, digital Library of Alexandria, which--from an occult symbolic read--is really telling of who is actually running this enterprise at the topmost levels. Library of Alexandria was a gnostic library burned by christians (see film Agora or a documentary on library of alexandria). This is more evidence of global gnostic cabal underpinnings. And I would respond to that by saying this: the original gnostics may have been onto something with universal magic and beauty in nature, something they believed would elevate all of humanity--they hosted the recipe for soma and that's why it was destroyed (multiple times actually). If you guys actually believed in original gnostic goals, you would be true to your Alexandrian aspirations and not destroy information--that's something Christians uniquely do (edit: well, and ISIS who are probably being paid by christians to destroy zoroastrian and manichean shrines in syria). Making your use of the Alexandrian library trope a complete hypocrisy--you need to clean that up.

If you don't understand that last bit it's ok. To most of you, the alexandria bit will be a weaksauce argument. I understand why you don't understand. As a person with a background in science and software engineering, I used to not have the eyes with which to see these things until I saw the pattern and started taking them seriously as 'things the elite believe whether you do or not'.

And clearly I struck a nerve with pointing these things out with Pentagram in my Hillary mspaint logo diatribe. Sorry if this appears I'm patting myself on the back with this, but you would't be wrong. <pat pat>

36 comments

18  moodmomentum 2015-12-27

I've always thought somebody should start a subreddit "/r/scrubbed". I don't have the time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Memory_Hole_(web_site)

The Memory Hole used to be a valuable website for rare/404/missing documents.

Then it went 404.

I used to cite the Wikipedia page for "Strategy of Tension" (part of Operation Gladio) as a link on a weekly basis. But I never saved a copy.

Then it got scrubbed and re-written as "Strategy of Tension was a hoax."

Bottom line: If you see a news item or website that is significant, screenshot it for yourself immediately. Archive it. Expect it to be changed or removed or Gone Forever.

2  911bodysnatchers322 2015-12-27

I totally agree. That and put on imgur and then archive.is that.

1  TheClueInTheOldBook 2015-12-27

I was recently talking about something similar to this when someone in another sub noted that some celebrity had used SEO to push some embarrassing things about him down off of any search engine. I think this would be a valuable idea for issues of more importance, too.

Not to come off as overly paranoid here, but I would personally doubt that a screenshot is enough. I don't think it's outside an adversary's power to wait until you're asleep, take control of your computer, replace the screenshot file with a scrubbed one, and leave you looking like a fool and doubting yourself with none the wiser. If by "archive it" you meant to also burn it to a non-rewritable disc & hide the disc, or even print it off, then hell yes.

9  kickercvr 2015-12-27

You are being downvoted into oblivion, which means you are correct about something. Keep up your efforts.

2  ParanoidFactoid 2015-12-27

That's right. This is how it works on Reddit now. Truly.

1  911bodysnatchers322 2015-12-27

I believe it, but how do you know this? Do you have a tool that lets you see it?

-3  shilllord 2015-12-27

Or maybe he is down voted because it's a shit post?

0  911bodysnatchers322 2015-12-27

no, you're wrong

lol

-3  shilllord 2015-12-27

I'm sure that you think that it's an amazing post. Wait, not post, an "article", but it really isn't that much. You took one small technical glitch and then stretched it in all kinds of idiotic conspiracies involving Amazon, library of Alexandria, etc

Just a disclaimer: my grandpa's barber's dog once played with a dog that belonged to the third neighbor of Guy de Rothschild. I wouldn't trust myself

1  911bodysnatchers322 2015-12-27

you are true to your name shill lord

7  subroc77 2015-12-27

It's not a conspiracy, many sites use robots.txt to stay off of searches and aggregation

4  ImABananaSlugSteven 2015-12-27

I think both of them being true at once is very much plausible.

1  911bodysnatchers322 2015-12-27

I think you misunderstand subroc77. Something will be archived at one point, but if it's sensitive, then it will vanish from the cached snapshots and get replaced with a 'can't be crawled' because 'robots.txt'. I've actually seen this happen. I wish I had a browser extension that would keep snapshots with every bookmark.

This is what I mean by plausible deniability. BananaSlugSteven is spot on.

6  ItsAJackOff 2015-12-27

Could we not conceivably build on our internet wayback machines? In the easiest sense, for what pages we visit? Basically copy the internet.

4  SlumberMachine 2015-12-27

Sure, why not.

4  NastyNas0 2015-12-27

That's actually a really interesting idea. I'll see if I can design a program to automatically save every page a user visits. I'm still learning programming, so idk if it will be easy or not, but if I figure it out I'll let you know and post it on this subreddit.

3  SokarRostau 2015-12-27

After about five years of relentless abuse, Firefox finally crashed last week and took over 600 open tabs with it.

I need this.

1  NastyNas0 2015-12-27

lol, you do know that you can bookmark things, right?

2  SokarRostau 2015-12-27

What sort of masochist wants to navigate 600 bookmarks?

2  NastyNas0 2015-12-27

What sort of masochist wants to navigate 600 tabs?

You can categorize your bookmarks into separate folders. According to chrome, I have 459 bookmarks, and it's working pretty well.

1  ItsAJackOff 2015-12-27

I wouldnt think it'd be that difficult but I don't know jack about programming. Kudos to those who do because having our own wayback machines would be badass and we could hypothetically get them notorized once shut down as official means of record.

6  WTCMolybdenum4753 2015-12-27

Confirmed. A year ago the link off the post below worked and now it reads: Page cannot be crawled or displayed due to robots.txt.

24 upvotes New files reveal 60 previously undocumented Saudi post-9/11 evacuation flights. "First on the list,...Prince Ahmed was best known as the owner of the Kentucky Derby winner War Emblem, but he allegedly had ties to al-Qaeda and advance knowledge of the 9/11 attacks."

https://np.reddit.com/r/911truth/comments/2kd8ov/new_files_reveal_60_previously_undocumented_saudi/?

3  911bodysnatchers322 2015-12-27

Yep, exactly right. Good catch Molybd

3  ImABananaSlugSteven 2015-12-27

Nothing is untouchable for the rulers of the planet. No height to high, no depth too deep. Places they haven't yet been, they'll someday go.

3  911bodysnatchers322 2015-12-27

Maybe but what that means is no one is untouchable by someone else.

1  thing_on_a_string 2015-12-27

or child to be molested by one of their 'VIPs'

3  flyingfences 2015-12-27

Their Grateful Dead tape archives are on point, though.

2  flyyyyyyyyy 2015-12-27

even if it's not corrupted yet, it's only a matter of time...

2  911bodysnatchers322 2015-12-27

too late :(

1  DamnedIndependent 2015-12-27

Wasn't there a massive fire in their data center and they lost a lot of archive?

3  911bodysnatchers322 2015-12-27

I dunno. Did they? If you find a source that would be helpful.

3  DamnedIndependent 2015-12-27

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Internet-Archive-s-S-F-office-damaged-in-fire-4960703.php

1  777dot 2015-12-27

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/07/wayback_machine_burns_down_to_the_ground/ damn thats a conspiracy for sure. lost half of their shit

3  thing_on_a_string 2015-12-27

very convenient, lost the half 'they' wanted lost.

Obama worse than GWB, sad days indeed.

1  shilllord 2015-12-27

They use some stupid Ajax / JavaScript to load the rest of the page below the logo and the top links. Just try it in a different browser and it will work.

Same reason why archive.org didn't capture the whole page.

"As a person with background in software engineering" I'm sure you could have troubleshooted this in much less time than it took you to write this completely nonsensical drivel

1  bluevishnu 2015-12-27

Everything digital is up for grabs always has been and always will be. I can still find some good stuff on the way back machine, if it is really important to me, I just mirror the site, like when Dave McGowan died in November, I backed his site up, since I didn't want that work vanishing.