So I'm seeing a lot of apologism for Sanders. This is the exact form of thinking by the baby boomers that got this country into the condition it's in.
0 2015-12-29 by TheWiredWorld
First and foremost, consider that Sanders voted for the Assault Weapons Ban in the 90s. I will elaborate on this in a second.
I implore those of you that want to see real change in this country, and are passionately on a crusade for Sanders, to calm your emotions and take a step back. Not 10 months ago, it seemed that EVERYONE (but more importantly the demographic that is currently for Sanders) were "awake", and just knew with every fiber of their being that all forms of popular media were utterly bought and sold, that anyone getting any air time were complicit with the establishment (aka, playing "the game"), that Murdoch and his cronies completely stifled the dissemination of information - and all of this was corroborated by Ross Perot and later how they treated Ron Paul.
Except when Bernie Sanders starts running for president.
It may seem like I'm attacking one issue of Sanders, but to be fair, it is, and it may not feel like it at times, arguably the most important issue for a people to remain free - the right to bear arms.
So why does him voting for the Assault Weapons Ban, and calling for more banning, especially his words of "civilian guns" matter? Because it was based completely on mythical, authoritarian, ignorant, and illogical means. Even excluding the fact that it reduced rights (just for this argument), its entire reasoning was introduced purely by fallacious, as well as made up reasons. To elaborate - there is no such thing as an "assault weapon". It is a term that was made up FOR the argument to ban them. It is classic propaganda speak. An example of this is illustrated in this image - that floated around social media for a while by gun control advocates (the likes of Which Bernie Sanders is himself).
The thing about that picture is - and partly what makes it both cringey and infuriating - is that both of those guns are THE EXACT SAME GUN. One is not "higher power" than the other. They're the exact same caliber, it is not suddenly automatic when it becomes black and scary. It's just that as soon as it gets black furniture, and a different handle, it becomes an "assault weapon". That's literally it. This is what they banned. They DID ban hunting rifles - or at the very least, what they didn't perceive to be hunting rifles. This is the type of thinking that authoritarians and those that support him have. This is how they, and government, creeps from one "inch", to taking a mile. And none of what I'm saying is speculation - it is historical fact. The Assault Weapons Ban in the 90s was a culmination of preying on fear and ignorance, and the early success of such gun control groups.
This example alone shows that he is authoritarian, not educated in what he claims to be, and will use government in any and every way he can to intrude on the rights of Americans. Extrapolate.
He also supports Israel. This wouldn't be much, and the argument by itself opens itself up to be aligned with ignorant racists, but the fact of the matter is that the Zionist government of Israel is one of the most Right-Wing extremist governments in history - practicing protectionism, the very same protectionism that the U.S. used to practice, but was called "racist" and "economically close minded".
So how can he simultaneously claim to be progressive on nearly every issue, and support one of the least progressive governments on the planet? Do Sanders supporters not see a "do as I say, not as I do" tinge here?
Anyway, I just wanted to clear this up, and actually provide some reasons against the circle jerk.
P.S. This is a question to Bernie Sanders supporters: what would you do if Sanders pulled out and endorsed Hillary Clinton? Would you perform mental gymnastics to justify it, or would you atleast consider a change of stance?
55 comments
5 Command135_Initiated 2015-12-29
I will never vote for HC, even when he endorses her (if he loses). Even when they scream about the SCOTUS.... If it hastens the downfall of this already spiraling empire, so be it.
Wow, this thread is pretty salty.
2 TheWiredWorld 2015-12-29
Can't argue with that.
1 nogrim2 2015-12-29
so whats the alternative then? Hilary? the wolf in hawks clothing?
trump the unapologetic racist?
he has made his opinions on guns pretty clear he is against assault weapons but thats about as far as he goes with gun control.
iirc his state is one of the most pro-gun out there and hes been against gun control with the exception of assault weapons.
as for pro-isreal wtf are you talking about? hes pro-two state solution and always has been.
frankly you seem like one of the shillary accounts just trying to falsely represent his views.
please link ANYTHING showing he supports Israel, or gun control beyond assault weapons, because in all of my digging i have found zero evidence supporting either of those claims.
2 Putin_loves_cats 2015-12-29
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1 nogrim2 2015-12-29
Hillary was running the state department when the whole libya thing went down, those weapons almost all ended up in syria the next war target, she was also heavily involved with Ukraine, so yeah if she gets in to office War with russia is certainly in the cards. not to mention the woman is a compulsive liar.
news for you everyone except the pro-gun people hear assault weapon and immediately imagine anything resembling an m-16 you may be right on the differences and the terminology but to most people banning those sort of weapons is considered reasonable
2 Putin_loves_cats 2015-12-29
I know, they are all crooks and liars, and at the end of the day, puppets.
Go fuck yourself, I carry this for hunting and self protection, also if the militia ever needs my help (ie. 2nd amendment) (being in Alaska). The 2nd amendment, the right to bear arms shall not be infringed. It's not about hunting or militias. I hope you are not a US citizen...... If you are, you are ignorant as fuck... Sorry.
1 nogrim2 2015-12-29
nope canadian here. and yeah i've actually read the 2nd amendment and i agree that it gives MILITIAs the right to bear arms, now if you want to really reach and twist things you can apply that to all private citizens.
i mean if you want to talk about taking something and twisting an agenda your interpretation of it is the one that has been twisted.
i am all for people having guns, and hell to an extent even teh "assault weapons" but if you really are a knowledgeable gun owner banning the high ammo magazines and military grade guns is not about to disarm the public, a good 30/30 or a .306 is going to do more in a "protect yourself from your government" scenario than any AR-15 or whatever will.
i don't support the assault weapon ban, frankly because it won't work anyway.
i don't see why the gun nuts are so worked up over the issue, he is a lot less likely than hilary is to actually "take your guns" and he seems like the only one who would even care to ask the people what they wanted and consider it. the only way he could just take all your assault weapons would be an executive order, which frankly i think Obama is going to put in place before the summer so i think this is just a stupid reason to try and push people to abandon sanders.
i mean ffs what are your other options realistically
3 Putin_loves_cats 2015-12-29
No! It's not about fucking, militias. Jesus Christ. So many people wanna chime in, but have no idea what the fucking 2nd amendment is. That is not the point. The point is, that the average citizen shall be allowed to have/be armed equally to the average front line military soldier (for self protection and tyranny). You don't have to be in a militia to be armed, but you are required to be armed if you join the militia. You're Canadian. Worry less about what our gun laws are here and focus on fixing your fucked up Country also. Justin boy and his grand pappy set the the blue print for our (US) Fed/Social security. Also, you are still kneeling to the Crown. Fuck off, respectfully.
-2 nogrim2 2015-12-29
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/second_amendment
glad we could have a reasonable and constructive chat.... no point in arguing with idiots.
just to point out, at the time this was written, you still had to muzzle load your power and charge. so yeah anything you could even loosely consider an "assault rifle" is very clearly out side the scope of the amendment to any reasonable person.
0 Putin_loves_cats 2015-12-29
https://i.imgur.com/iWKad22.jpg
2 nogrim2 2015-12-29
link won't load, imgur has been wonky last week or two
-2 CelestialPhoenix 2015-12-29
You might as well throw your guns in the rubbish bin because they hard done a public armed with guns to the point where they are still "waiting" for the tyranny.
2 Putin_loves_cats 2015-12-29
What you said, makes little to no sense.
0 CelestialPhoenix 2015-12-29
The tyrants already took the freedoms, privacy and rights. While you still had your guns, other places with little to no guns were available have more and preserved their rights and freedoms.
0 Putin_loves_cats 2015-12-29
Was gonna reply, until I realized your other post. G'nite.
0 CelestialPhoenix 2015-12-29
Yeah whatever you bailed
0 Putin_loves_cats 2015-12-29
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0 CelestialPhoenix 2015-12-29
Dont let the door hit your ass on the way out
0 Putin_loves_cats 2015-12-29
Still waiting, sweetie...
0 CelestialPhoenix 2015-12-29
I did not know I had so much game with the posters here, I am like so in demand right now..
0 Putin_loves_cats 2015-12-29
Gay sex or straight sex?
0 CelestialPhoenix 2015-12-29
Straight sex is always the answer
1 Putin_loves_cats 2015-12-29
But, your post implies gay sex....
1 Balthanos 2015-12-29
"Gun nuts"
You totally haven't been subjected to leftist propaganda.
Why is someone a nut for wanting to keep their government from taking their weapons?
1 nogrim2 2015-12-29
i would say you would at least imo be considered a nut for resisting any sort of common sense approach.
what are the reasonable reasons one would need assault weapons? fighting against your tyrannical government? its not like they are taking all your weapons away ffs.
you took an argument against an "Assault weapons ban" and turned it in to argument of taking away all of your weapons
imho that sort of hyperbolic bullshit would quantify you as a nut
2 Balthanos 2015-12-29
I did no such thing. But keep trying to change the topic.
Government can change in an instant. It's your responsibility in this country as a citizen to defend your constitution and country, by force, if required. Owning a weapon or two is somewhat necessary.
http://www.uscis.gov/citizenship/learners/citizenship-rights-and-responsibilities
0 nogrim2 2015-12-29
to which you reduced to
so yeah you did switch the argument, ffs im not even in favour of it and you are attacking me with the bullshit fire hose
-1 nogrim2 2015-12-29
yeah total leftist communist scum.....
0 Balthanos 2015-12-29
Using the term "Gun nut" is just as ignorant as using the term "nigger". You are assigning imaginary attributes to a very large and diverse group of people in order to validate your worldview.
2 nogrim2 2015-12-29
wow i just wow that is some ridiculous logic right there, yes calling you a gun nut because you love guns is totally comparable to the derogatory name given to an entire race you enslaved and forced to build your country..... really breaking the stereo type there cletus.
0 Balthanos 2015-12-29
You know that the term "gun nut" is also being used in a derogatory manner. Don't play ignorant just to try to prove a point.
0 nogrim2 2015-12-29
would you say some one who is nuts about guns is inaccurate in this case? i mean clearly you guys love your assault weapons.
dudes just dropping nigger, for shock value trying to provoke exactly the sort of stupid knee jerk reaction meant to shut down debate.
if you consider the two equivalent then you not worth the time to talk to about any meaningful issues.
2 Balthanos 2015-12-29
I would say that you are skirting my original question.
1 TheWiredWorld 2015-12-29
I voted for Gary Johnson.
1 nogrim2 2015-12-29
okay so did a little reading, and understood very quickly why i never would have heard of him. sad, i like some of his policies and ideas. the fairtax idea is interesting but is it actually able to fully fund government or is it only possible with slashing the support programs?
-1 nogrim2 2015-12-29
who the fuck is that? honestly i wish i actually knew, was he the guy who dropped out early?
-1 TheWiredWorld 2015-12-29
Did you read my post at all? Or just being willfully ignorant?
5 nogrim2 2015-12-29
i read a lot of theory and suggestion but i still have seen no evidence that backs up your assumptions other than fear mongering about a position you seem to have invented and then sensationalized
-3 TheWiredWorld 2015-12-29
Then you are de facto refusing to acknowledge what I said. If you are not trolling, then I'll be glad to explain it one more time, but as for now, you're basically troll-status, so I won't entertain you. I've said literally everything to explain your confusion, and you simply are refusing to acknowledge it.
1 nogrim2 2015-12-29
again you have presented absolutely no proof of anything to support your theory. you post a bunch of conjecture and suppositions about his hidden agenda to take your guns with NO PROOF that he is pro gun control beyond the assault weapons in FACT he has said he is not interested in gun control beyond that multiple fucking times publicly
-1 TheWiredWorld 2015-12-29
0/10.
(For other readers, it's in the OP).
-1 Thrice_Baked_Ham 2015-12-29
Anyone who isn’t a communist.
You say that like it’s a bad thing.
Any of it is unconstitutional, so why would you vote for a traitor?
HE’S A FUCKING JEW. Support of two states is support of Israel.
0 nogrim2 2015-12-29
so you are saying a) you are an idiot, seriously who bashes communism anymore b) you are a racist c) double dose of idiot d) oh look a double dose of racism too
well aren't you just a wonderful person....
0 Thrice_Baked_Ham 2015-12-29
Reported.
Get fucked, statist. Communism is the most mentally ill of all ideologies.
Ha! Try again.
Reported for having no reply whatsoever.
0 nogrim2 2015-12-29
oh so you run to mods because some one called you a dumb dumb. oh poor little baby had his safe space shit in.
grow up you inbred hillbilly
0 Thrice_Baked_Ham 2015-12-29
Reported for nothing but personal attacks and libelous claims.
0 nogrim2 2015-12-29
how to you bear the burden of your victimhood. must be a daily struggle.
0 Thrice_Baked_Ham 2015-12-29
Thanks for confirming what I said.
0 nogrim2 2015-12-29
http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Bernie_Sanders_Gun_Control.htm
http://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-israel-and-the-palestinians/
-1 Putin_loves_cats 2015-12-29
Bernie is a wolf in sheep's clothing and you are 100% spot on. I've almost lost all faith in my fellow country men/women.
3 MurrueLaFlaga 2015-12-29
I somewhat wish to see Sanders win just so we can see how much more of a "progressive" shithole this country can become. Then hopefully things will finally hit the fan and we can take our country back. Anyway...I just wanted to say something. I'm so sick of seeing Sanders crap on here. I'm so sick of seeing any and all campaign crap here. I don't understand how people don't see it for the utterly inane circus that it is. No candidate is viable. Period.
-2 nogrim2 2015-12-29
he's clearly going for the long con, obviously he plotted back in the 60's to take your guns and has been putting on a masterpiece performance ever since.....
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2 Putin_loves_cats 2015-12-29
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1 nogrim2 2015-12-29
nope canadian here. and yeah i've actually read the 2nd amendment and i agree that it gives MILITIAs the right to bear arms, now if you want to really reach and twist things you can apply that to all private citizens.
i mean if you want to talk about taking something and twisting an agenda your interpretation of it is the one that has been twisted.
i am all for people having guns, and hell to an extent even teh "assault weapons" but if you really are a knowledgeable gun owner banning the high ammo magazines and military grade guns is not about to disarm the public, a good 30/30 or a .306 is going to do more in a "protect yourself from your government" scenario than any AR-15 or whatever will.
i don't support the assault weapon ban, frankly because it won't work anyway.
i don't see why the gun nuts are so worked up over the issue, he is a lot less likely than hilary is to actually "take your guns" and he seems like the only one who would even care to ask the people what they wanted and consider it. the only way he could just take all your assault weapons would be an executive order, which frankly i think Obama is going to put in place before the summer so i think this is just a stupid reason to try and push people to abandon sanders.
i mean ffs what are your other options realistically
-1 TheWiredWorld 2015-12-29
Did you read my post at all? Or just being willfully ignorant?
0 Putin_loves_cats 2015-12-29
toodalooo
1 TheWiredWorld 2015-12-29
I voted for Gary Johnson.
-1 Thrice_Baked_Ham 2015-12-29
Anyone who isn’t a communist.
You say that like it’s a bad thing.
Any of it is unconstitutional, so why would you vote for a traitor?
HE’S A FUCKING JEW. Support of two states is support of Israel.
0 Thrice_Baked_Ham 2015-12-29
Reported.
Get fucked, statist. Communism is the most mentally ill of all ideologies.
Ha! Try again.
Reported for having no reply whatsoever.