yeah I am not sure why Bernie says or doesn't say certain things. He could point out more corruption done by his main rival Hillary. He could talk about how USA is fascist now as defined by all the torture and spying. He can say Israel does not have a right to exist . . . I can't fit his good words on economics with saying Israel has a right to exist . . . do the rich have a right to keep stealing from us to? The logic doesn't fit. But still he is better than Hillary.
He's a huge warmonger. He tries to disguise this by playing dumb about foreign policy and deflecting to climate change and his irrelevant economic stump speech whenever he's asked about it, as he knows the truth would alienate his "progressive" base, but his history is one of consistent cow-towing to the war lobby:
WASHINGTON — The House and the Senate voted overwhelmingly on Thursday to approve a $1 billion aid package for Ukraine, but Congress’s near unanimity on its modest package of aid and sanctions on Russia masked deep divisions on what the government should do next to confront President Vladimir V. Putin.
The bills, which were nearly identical, passed by 399 to 19 in the House and by 98 to 2 in the Senate. President Obama has said he will sign the legislation, which includes new sanctions against Russians and Ukrainians who provided support to Russia in its annexation of the Crimea region of Ukraine.
Kosovo was a NATO operation and there was a lot of bad info flying around about genocide. I'll need to dig deeper on this one.
He's not a wingnut but I doubt he's going to have much bad to say about Israel. I think that because of Zionism (and Christianity!) there is kind of an unspoken assumption among Jews in general that they are somehow special, even if it isn't always manifested consciously. It's like the religious version of nationalism and it has been a lot more deadly for the world.
Put it this way, I don't think he would be a semi-major candidate were he a Muslim, and if everything else were equal.
Your completely missing the point. All politicians in our current system are corrupt or will be corrupted. TPTB select the president. Your vote doesn't matter, it hasn't in a very long time. If someone goes against the grain, well, look at JFK. Wake up and realize that..
It's not being a defeatist, it's being a realist and realizing the shit we are up against. Everyone is bickering about this politician or that politician. The system is corrupt, which is what we need to be screaming from the roof tops and trying to change. You're just playing into their game. I feel sad for you and the masses and I'm sad to call you a fellow country man/woman (if you even are).
It's not being a defeatist, it's being a realist and realizing the shit we are up against.
ok well those are basically the words of a defeatist (by my definition). frankly, you sound like someone who has never served in her country's service -- in which case, it's very likely we hold different definitions "defeatism".
The system is corrupt, which is what we need to be screaming from the roof tops and trying to change.
by NOT voting?
/and your seriously not joking?!
ok ok... fine. let's assume i am on board. cool. and now let's assume we get enough people to not vote. then what ? someone still wins the official elections, right?
at the very least, our families (well, mine at least) fought and died for the right to vote -- when the system was so corrupt, there was no right to vote.
my sincere apologies, but i just don't get what you are trying to accomplish by NOT voting!!?
maybe more to the point, i don't get what you are trying to accomplish by trying to recruit others to not vote. (frankly, that sounds very foreign/suspicious to me.)
bottom line:
if voting doesn't matter, why do candidates spend billions of dollars to win votes?
what do you achieve by getting millions of people to not vote?? what's your end game?
/serious questions. hope you don't mind responding.
SANDERS '16 (not that you should care one way or another)
whats your take on the bush/kerry election in florida?
thanks for asking...
my take is... bush stole both 2000 and 2004 elections.
but thievery is only possible if the election is "close" - and the right elements (e.g., Jeb) need to be in place (which they often are, but not always).
which is why i believe it's incredibly important to vote. when masses turn out, the potential for an impossible-to-thieve spread emerges -- as i believe occurred in 2008. (i still believe the powers that be wanted either hillary or mccain to win in 2008 -- would really take a lot to convince me that obama was the status quo's first or even second choice. i.e., the people's choice did actually win over the status quo's top two choices.)
edit: yes we are fed a fixed menu one way or another... it's like airplane food. of course it will suck -- but not always -- and your odds of relative satisfaction improve when you pre-select the dish (i.e., fucking vote!)
to be clear: voting doesn't guarantee satisfaction. voting slightly (but absolutely) improves your odds of getting your government to spend YOUR tax dollars in a way that benefits YOU and your family the most.
as i see it (with the above in mind):
if you and your family would benefit from more and bigger wars in the middle east, then vote for hillary/trump.
if your family would benefit from free (paid for by the taxes you ALREADY pay the government -- i.e., no EXTRA cost to you) college education for your (and/or your kids), then vote for bernie sanders.
So, yes, Bernie Sanders is a Jewish Nationalist, thus, he is a Zionist.
But Bernie Sanders ONLY support nationalism for Jewish people. He is against nationalism for European ("white") people, he is against nationalism for Arab people, he is against nationalism for Japanese people, Chinese people, all African peoples, Latin American peoples.
He's for "globalism" for all those people - he supports "diversity" and "multi-culturalism" and "unite one world" etc.
But ONLY for people who aren't Jewish.
According to Bernie Sanders, Jews get special rights - ONLY Jewish people should be allowed to have their own nation.
That's because Bernie Sanders is a Jewish Supremacist.
He complains about money in politics, yet he lines up to accept money from both corrupt unions and anti-labor corporations, and he does favors for sugar industry lobbyists and defense contractors.
He claims to be a real civil rights leader and a fighter for the poor and downtrodden, but then he'll turn around and try to use poor ethnic communities as dumping grounds for his state's nuclear waste.
He's a huge warmonger. He tries to disguise this by playing dumb about foreign policy and deflecting to climate change and his irrelevant economic stump speech whenever he's asked about it, as he knows the truth would alienate his "progressive" base, but his history is one of consistent cow-towing to the war lobby:
He promises all the "glorious" free handout programs of Europe, yet neglects to mention the extremely regressive taxes, the key differences in culture and population size, and the fact that none of those countries actually fund their militaries because they rely on us to fight for them (freeing up money to go towards their welfare states instead). He also leaves out the part where nationalist parties and conservative welfare reform parties are becoming more and more popular in Europe because they're finally realizing that socialism doesn't work in the long run. Even scarier than his deranged views are the Modern Monetary Theory kooks he surrounds himself with.
Your source clearly also reads that he wants to reverse the militarization of the police force along with some social reform. Isn't this what people want? To stop letting the police get away with crime? Was that just overlooked when you posted from source?
This is a common pillar for almost every Liberal candidate - why would I include that in my list?
I'm all for exposing corruption and what not, but you haven't done anything other than provide your interpretation of his past actions and strawman him.
You haven't exactly addressed any specific point I brought up - and went straight to "Well, you don't list the good things he's done!"
How do you feel about his flawed interpretation that the handout policies in Nordic countries could transfer over to the US?
How do you feel that he values SJW "feel-good" policies over releasing his tax plan?
Are you talking about me? Yeah my 3 year old account is actually to shill for Hillary. No, fuck her, fuck every presidential candidate and person of authority anyway. If I could I would live in an anarchist commune, but this is the world we live in and I'd rather vote for Sanders cause at least he shouldn't technically be in jail. I was just curious if he was a Zionist.
no but i find it interesting they are trying to attack bernie of things clinton has also done. i mean really you want to focus on a bernie vote back during yugoslavia, to do what discredit him compared to hilary?
lets look at the rest of the field and compare how they all voted on the same things. the man has been in politics for 30+ years hes got some dirt and some bad choices but when you put that up next to hilary he comes away smelling like roses.
the other option is these are all republicans scared that he can beat hilary and will win over some of the libertarians with some of his policies
Of course you did. And you will fall for it again and again. :)
This is why I think a simple math problem (2+3 = ?) at the top of every ballot that disqualifies the ballot if wrong could remove all the noise from voting.
WASHINGTON — The House and the Senate voted overwhelmingly on Thursday to approve a $1 billion aid package for Ukraine, but Congress’s near unanimity on its modest package of aid and sanctions on Russia masked deep divisions on what the government should do next to confront President Vladimir V. Putin.
The bills, which were nearly identical, passed by 399 to 19 in the House and by 98 to 2 in the Senate. President Obama has said he will sign the legislation, which includes new sanctions against Russians and Ukrainians who provided support to Russia in its annexation of the Crimea region of Ukraine.
Kosovo was a NATO operation and there was a lot of bad info flying around about genocide. I'll need to dig deeper on this one.
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8 sheasie 2015-12-30
Sanders believes that Israel has a right to exist -- which makes him a "zionist".
however, sanders does not support the netanyahu apartheid regime, nor does sanders support the effort to establish a "greater israel":
Bernie Sanders: "I'm Not a Great Fan' of Benjamin Netanyahu"
Bernie Sanders promises ‘evenhanded approach’ to Israel, says Netanyahu ‘overreacted’ in Gaza
Sanders voted against the invasion of Iraq
... another thing: zio-fascist extremists (like netanyahu's lekud party, and those who support netanyahu) tend to support banking giants. sanders, not so much:
Bernie Sanders Introduces Bill to Break Up the Big Banks
Bernie Sanders Urges Breaking Up Big Banks - First Draft ...
Bernie Sanders: Destroy the Big Banks Before the Big Banks Destroy You The progressive senator is planning a legislative push to break up Wall Street’s largest banks.
ps. an interesting bonus gesture in the fight against the "citizens united" ruling (which made bribery legal in America):
Bernie Sanders: I Won't Accept Super PAC Funds
2 zeropoint357 2015-12-30
All of which is softsoap for the answer, which is yes.
-1 Horus_Krishna_2 2015-12-30
yeah I am not sure why Bernie says or doesn't say certain things. He could point out more corruption done by his main rival Hillary. He could talk about how USA is fascist now as defined by all the torture and spying. He can say Israel does not have a right to exist . . . I can't fit his good words on economics with saying Israel has a right to exist . . . do the rich have a right to keep stealing from us to? The logic doesn't fit. But still he is better than Hillary.
0 WarOnErrorism 2015-12-30
Best comment so far, thanks mate.
5 exwasstalking 2015-12-30
Did he say he wants to give them 5 billion more?
0 [deleted] 2015-12-30
You don't ask for 90% tax rates just to make nice parks and give free college.
0 Horus_Krishna_2 2015-12-30
how about universal healthcare and jobs program too
2 breannakandreu 2015-12-30
And the obvious answer that he's not actually planning to tax us 90%...
3 Horus_Krishna_2 2015-12-30
I hope he does for the rich like when economy was last good
3 breannakandreu 2015-12-30
Oh, yeah -- definitely. When I said "us" I meant the majority of the world that doesn't shit on everyone else.
4 no1113 2015-12-30
Yes. 100%.
2 Gaijinfag 2015-12-30
He's a huge warmonger. He tries to disguise this by playing dumb about foreign policy and deflecting to climate change and his irrelevant economic stump speech whenever he's asked about it, as he knows the truth would alienate his "progressive" base, but his history is one of consistent cow-towing to the war lobby:
Source
1 Dunkh 2015-12-30
I call shenanigans.
Supporting an aid bill for Ukraine. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/28/world/europe/senate-approves-1-billion-in-aid-for-ukraine.html?_r=1
WASHINGTON — The House and the Senate voted overwhelmingly on Thursday to approve a $1 billion aid package for Ukraine, but Congress’s near unanimity on its modest package of aid and sanctions on Russia masked deep divisions on what the government should do next to confront President Vladimir V. Putin.
The bills, which were nearly identical, passed by 399 to 19 in the House and by 98 to 2 in the Senate. President Obama has said he will sign the legislation, which includes new sanctions against Russians and Ukrainians who provided support to Russia in its annexation of the Crimea region of Ukraine.
Kosovo was a NATO operation and there was a lot of bad info flying around about genocide. I'll need to dig deeper on this one.
5 sheasie 2015-12-30
agreed. Sanders voted against the invasion of Iraq - that's huge.
Clinton VS Sanders (How they voted on issues.)
1 [deleted] 2015-12-30
Forgiveness for bad information is by party, it seems. :)
0 Dunkh 2015-12-30
Doesn't matter what party it is. Facts are facts. If he's such a warmonger why didn't he vote to go to Iraq?
-1 Horus_Krishna_2 2015-12-30
has he apologized for the wrong vote on Kosovo? being wrong and learning from it is ok but Hillary won't apologize for her Iraq war vote.
1 Dunkh 2015-12-30
Have any of the other senators that voted? Get to a point and stop wasting my time.
2 Horus_Krishna_2 2015-12-30
don't care bout them Bernie and Hillary are running for prez
1 Dunkh 2015-12-30
Aaaaaaaand?
1 Horus_Krishna_2 2015-12-30
troll alert
1 Dunkh 2015-12-30
Calling me a troll?
0 Dunkh 2015-12-30
noted
2 Quantumhead 2015-12-30
He's not a wingnut but I doubt he's going to have much bad to say about Israel. I think that because of Zionism (and Christianity!) there is kind of an unspoken assumption among Jews in general that they are somehow special, even if it isn't always manifested consciously. It's like the religious version of nationalism and it has been a lot more deadly for the world.
Put it this way, I don't think he would be a semi-major candidate were he a Muslim, and if everything else were equal.
1 Putin_loves_cats 2015-12-30
Yes he is, and a wolf in sheep's clothing.
0 sheasie 2015-12-30
if the election were held today, who would you vote for?
-4 Putin_loves_cats 2015-12-30
My penis.
1 sheasie 2015-12-30
ah right, good luck with the campaign.
4 Putin_loves_cats 2015-12-30
Your completely missing the point. All politicians in our current system are corrupt or will be corrupted. TPTB select the president. Your vote doesn't matter, it hasn't in a very long time. If someone goes against the grain, well, look at JFK. Wake up and realize that..
-1 sheasie 2015-12-30
no, i get the point: it's all pointless (basically)
w/ due respect, i believe you are stuck on your point (which i do get), and missing my point -- which is:
"so?" ...what are you going to do about it? (vote for your penis??)
that doesn't sound like a solution to me, mate. that sounds like something a defeatist/quitter would say.
to make a point: if you are in prison (as we are in america), and the prison guard offers you a choice of the following food for the day:
a pint of cow blood
a teaspoon of cow sperm
... which would you choose? (lemme guess: your penis??)
just sayin: let's not underestimate the value/opportunity of "the lesser of two evils".
1 Putin_loves_cats 2015-12-30
It's not being a defeatist, it's being a realist and realizing the shit we are up against. Everyone is bickering about this politician or that politician. The system is corrupt, which is what we need to be screaming from the roof tops and trying to change. You're just playing into their game. I feel sad for you and the masses and I'm sad to call you a fellow country man/woman (if you even are).
1 sheasie 2015-12-30
thanks for the follow up...
ok well those are basically the words of a defeatist (by my definition). frankly, you sound like someone who has never served in her country's service -- in which case, it's very likely we hold different definitions "defeatism".
by NOT voting?
/and your seriously not joking?!
ok ok... fine. let's assume i am on board. cool. and now let's assume we get enough people to not vote. then what ? someone still wins the official elections, right?
at the very least, our families (well, mine at least) fought and died for the right to vote -- when the system was so corrupt, there was no right to vote.
my sincere apologies, but i just don't get what you are trying to accomplish by NOT voting!!?
maybe more to the point, i don't get what you are trying to accomplish by trying to recruit others to not vote. (frankly, that sounds very foreign/suspicious to me.)
bottom line:
if voting doesn't matter, why do candidates spend billions of dollars to win votes?
what do you achieve by getting millions of people to not vote?? what's your end game?
/serious questions. hope you don't mind responding.
SANDERS '16 (not that you should care one way or another)
1 one23four5six78nine 2015-12-30
whats your take on the bush/kerry election in florida?
2 sheasie 2015-12-30
thanks for asking...
my take is... bush stole both 2000 and 2004 elections.
but thievery is only possible if the election is "close" - and the right elements (e.g., Jeb) need to be in place (which they often are, but not always).
which is why i believe it's incredibly important to vote. when masses turn out, the potential for an impossible-to-thieve spread emerges -- as i believe occurred in 2008. (i still believe the powers that be wanted either hillary or mccain to win in 2008 -- would really take a lot to convince me that obama was the status quo's first or even second choice. i.e., the people's choice did actually win over the status quo's top two choices.)
edit: yes we are fed a fixed menu one way or another... it's like airplane food. of course it will suck -- but not always -- and your odds of relative satisfaction improve when you pre-select the dish (i.e., fucking vote!)
to be clear: voting doesn't guarantee satisfaction. voting slightly (but absolutely) improves your odds of getting your government to spend YOUR tax dollars in a way that benefits YOU and your family the most.
as i see it (with the above in mind):
if you and your family would benefit from more and bigger wars in the middle east, then vote for hillary/trump.
if your family would benefit from free (paid for by the taxes you ALREADY pay the government -- i.e., no EXTRA cost to you) college education for your (and/or your kids), then vote for bernie sanders.
1 jacks1000 2015-12-30
"Zionism" just means "Jewish Nationalism."
So, yes, Bernie Sanders is a Jewish Nationalist, thus, he is a Zionist.
But Bernie Sanders ONLY support nationalism for Jewish people. He is against nationalism for European ("white") people, he is against nationalism for Arab people, he is against nationalism for Japanese people, Chinese people, all African peoples, Latin American peoples.
He's for "globalism" for all those people - he supports "diversity" and "multi-culturalism" and "unite one world" etc.
But ONLY for people who aren't Jewish.
According to Bernie Sanders, Jews get special rights - ONLY Jewish people should be allowed to have their own nation.
That's because Bernie Sanders is a Jewish Supremacist.
0 sheasie 2015-12-30
wow. lots of big words... are you able to source any of these claims?
2 jacks1000 2015-12-30
Really? The comment is something a fifth grader could comprehend.
Which words did you have trouble with?
-1 Gaijinfag 2015-12-30
He complains about money in politics, yet he lines up to accept money from both corrupt unions and anti-labor corporations, and he does favors for sugar industry lobbyists and defense contractors.
Source 1, Source 2 ,Source 3
He claims to be a real civil rights leader and a fighter for the poor and downtrodden, but then he'll turn around and try to use poor ethnic communities as dumping grounds for his state's nuclear waste.
Source
He's a huge warmonger. He tries to disguise this by playing dumb about foreign policy and deflecting to climate change and his irrelevant economic stump speech whenever he's asked about it, as he knows the truth would alienate his "progressive" base, but his history is one of consistent cow-towing to the war lobby:
Source
Source
He promises all the "glorious" free handout programs of Europe, yet neglects to mention the extremely regressive taxes, the key differences in culture and population size, and the fact that none of those countries actually fund their militaries because they rely on us to fight for them (freeing up money to go towards their welfare states instead). He also leaves out the part where nationalist parties and conservative welfare reform parties are becoming more and more popular in Europe because they're finally realizing that socialism doesn't work in the long run. Even scarier than his deranged views are the Modern Monetary Theory kooks he surrounds himself with.
Source
He's an SJW. He's released a "racial justice" plan, but he won't release a tax plan. He's still pushing the phony and discredited wage gap myth.
Source
He has deranged ideas in general. For example: He wants to bring back illegals who were deported.
Source
-1 [deleted] 2015-12-30
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3 Gaijinfag 2015-12-30
This is a common pillar for almost every Liberal candidate - why would I include that in my list?
You haven't exactly addressed any specific point I brought up - and went straight to "Well, you don't list the good things he's done!"
How do you feel about his flawed interpretation that the handout policies in Nordic countries could transfer over to the US?
How do you feel that he values SJW "feel-good" policies over releasing his tax plan?
-1 Gaijinfag 2015-12-30
Well said Jacks.
4 jacks1000 2015-12-30
Check it out - it's morning in Tel Aviv, the Hasbara have all downvoted any critical comments about Bernie, their American asset.
It's hysterical.
4 Gaijinfag 2015-12-30
http://i.imgur.com/vD8u22e.jpg
4 jacks1000 2015-12-30
lulz
2 Horus_Krishna_2 2015-12-30
jacks is one of those Israeli paid trolls that acts anti-Semitic to make this forum look bad
2 jacks1000 2015-12-30
I'm not "anti-semitic."
But I am perfectly willing to take some hasbara cash to do what I'm already doing!
-3 nogrim2 2015-12-30
at least you make your shillary accounts easy to find
5 WarOnErrorism 2015-12-30
Are you talking about me? Yeah my 3 year old account is actually to shill for Hillary. No, fuck her, fuck every presidential candidate and person of authority anyway. If I could I would live in an anarchist commune, but this is the world we live in and I'd rather vote for Sanders cause at least he shouldn't technically be in jail. I was just curious if he was a Zionist.
0 Gaijinfag 2015-12-30
You do realize just because you don't support Bernie doesn't mean you're automatically a Hillary shill.
1 Horus_Krishna_2 2015-12-30
yes it does
-1 nogrim2 2015-12-30
no but i find it interesting they are trying to attack bernie of things clinton has also done. i mean really you want to focus on a bernie vote back during yugoslavia, to do what discredit him compared to hilary?
lets look at the rest of the field and compare how they all voted on the same things. the man has been in politics for 30+ years hes got some dirt and some bad choices but when you put that up next to hilary he comes away smelling like roses.
the other option is these are all republicans scared that he can beat hilary and will win over some of the libertarians with some of his policies
-1 Putin_loves_cats 2015-12-30
Something, something, lesser of two evils. Wake the fuck up.
-1 sheasie 2015-12-30
something something all or nothing -- just like any extremist.
3 Putin_loves_cats 2015-12-30
I bet your one of those who fell for "hope and change".
-3 sheasie 2015-12-30
if by hope and change you mean:
reduced federal deficit
nuclear peace treaty with iran
90% closure of gitmo
15mm more americans protected under health care w/o my taxes increasing.
and end to the "bin laden" saga.
etc.
then yea... i "fell for it" twice ;)
seems like you are one of those who believes everything will get fixed by voting for "my penis".
frankly, i will take the glimmer of hope over a penis any day. but hey... that's just me... i am crazay that way ;)
4 Putin_loves_cats 2015-12-30
In what fucking world are you living in? None of that is true and very misleading.
4 yo_me_paspali 2015-12-30
lol, but as for their premiums...
Get out of lalaland.
Watch those goalposts as they move...
Of course you did. And you will fall for it again and again. :)
2 [deleted] 2015-12-30
This is why I think a simple math problem (2+3 = ?) at the top of every ballot that disqualifies the ballot if wrong could remove all the noise from voting.
-3 Gaijinfag 2015-12-30
I've criticized Hillary and posted links exposing her too - get off your Bernie Sanders circkejerk.
0 sheasie 2015-12-30
if the election were held today, who would you vote for?
-1 Gaijinfag 2015-12-30
That's cute - you think voting matters.
1 Horus_Krishna_2 2015-12-30
answer the question
-1 sheasie 2015-12-30
that's cute -- you think that candidates spend billions of dollars trying to win votes ...because voting doesn't matter ??
1 [deleted] 2015-12-30
They're not spending money they earned. Go pay a politician to dig a hole for $50 and see if they ever spend that $50.
It's easy to spend billions when all you do to earn it is have drinks at cocktail parties and give speeches in front of adoring masses.
1 zeropoint357 2015-12-30
If voting mattered, you wouldn't be allowed to do it.
1 Dunkh 2015-12-30
I call shenanigans.
Supporting an aid bill for Ukraine. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/28/world/europe/senate-approves-1-billion-in-aid-for-ukraine.html?_r=1
WASHINGTON — The House and the Senate voted overwhelmingly on Thursday to approve a $1 billion aid package for Ukraine, but Congress’s near unanimity on its modest package of aid and sanctions on Russia masked deep divisions on what the government should do next to confront President Vladimir V. Putin.
The bills, which were nearly identical, passed by 399 to 19 in the House and by 98 to 2 in the Senate. President Obama has said he will sign the legislation, which includes new sanctions against Russians and Ukrainians who provided support to Russia in its annexation of the Crimea region of Ukraine.
Kosovo was a NATO operation and there was a lot of bad info flying around about genocide. I'll need to dig deeper on this one.
5 sheasie 2015-12-30
agreed. Sanders voted against the invasion of Iraq - that's huge.
Clinton VS Sanders (How they voted on issues.)
-3 sheasie 2015-12-30
if by hope and change you mean:
reduced federal deficit
nuclear peace treaty with iran
90% closure of gitmo
15mm more americans protected under health care w/o my taxes increasing.
and end to the "bin laden" saga.
etc.
then yea... i "fell for it" twice ;)
seems like you are one of those who believes everything will get fixed by voting for "my penis".
frankly, i will take the glimmer of hope over a penis any day. but hey... that's just me... i am crazay that way ;)
1 [deleted] 2015-12-30
Forgiveness for bad information is by party, it seems. :)
0 [deleted] 2015-12-30
You don't ask for 90% tax rates just to make nice parks and give free college.
2 Horus_Krishna_2 2015-12-30
jacks is one of those Israeli paid trolls that acts anti-Semitic to make this forum look bad
1 Dunkh 2015-12-30
Aaaaaaaand?
0 Dunkh 2015-12-30
noted