A very concise explanation detailing one individual’s experience as a military operative on another planet.
0 2016-01-23 by no1113
Marine Captain Randy Cramer explains part of what he was involved in while serving on the MDF.
The fact that he would be committing a very serious felony and risking several tens of thousands of dollars in fines as well as several years in prison if he were impersonating a military officer means that he is not likely trolling and impersonating an officer in the United States military (unless, of course, you think he's willing to risk such very real-life punishment via the UCMJ 134 just so places like 4chan can crown him "troll of the week"). As such, it seems he in all likelihood is in fact an officer in the United States military.
If he hasn't been issued any "cease and desist" orders by any of his superior officers or command staff, then that seems to go a long way toward giving weight to what he is saying (and why he is saying it).
EDIT: This is a timestamp of him explaining the legal and military impetus and motivation behind what he is doing.
70 comments
6 OffMyFaces 2016-01-23
In the first couple of minutes he claimed he lived on the moon, lived on Mars, travelled through a wormhole, travelled to Mars in 15 minutes and fought against alien insects and lizards.
And you think he must be telling the truth because he'd get in trouble if he was lying?
-2 no1113 2016-01-23
I don't "think" he'd get in trouble if he were lying. There's a law in place specifically designed to punish him if he were lying. As such, you have to ask yourself if he's willing to risk that punishment just to perpetrate a lie.
Could have sworn I already made that clear. But okay.
4 OffMyFaces 2016-01-23
So he must be telling the truth because lying could get him in trouble?
Insect and lizard alien wars on Mars are real because he'd get in trouble for lying?
Presumably all the Nigerian princes are also real for the same reason then - there are laws against scamming, so they can't possibly be lying?
0 no1113 2016-01-23
As already stated, it is unlikely that he is lying when doing so would involve risking several tens of thousands of dollars in fines and several years in prison. Doing anything at the risk of such legal action is indeed a significant deterrent to most people.
2 SokarRostau 2016-01-23
If what he is saying was true he would be risking execution for treason.
2 no1113 2016-01-23
No he wouldn't. Not even close actually.
And I'm sure that little gif makes you feel all nice and cozy - feeling that you are buoyed by others who think the same way as you.
Okay.
0 subroc77 2016-01-23
Apparently nobody with a military career has ever lied about anything. Good to know.
Talk about naive.
0 no1113 2016-01-23
Horrible straw man fallacy.
Talk about plain stupid.
0 subroc77 2016-01-23
I'm not sure you know what "straw man" means.
0 no1113 2016-01-23
I'm not sure you know what "straw man" means.
2 Rockran 2016-01-23
Yet if you look up 'stolen valor' on youtube, you will find video after video of just this.
So that's not convincing.
You know how you can tell he's bullshitting, ignoring all the reptile insectoid conflicts...? He claims you can breathe on Mars. Mars barely even has an atmosphere.
-2 no1113 2016-01-23
According to who? Your trusty MSM scientists, right?
Riiiight. Gotcha.
2 Cptcutter81 2016-01-23
According to every scientist on earth, yes. So it's either they're all in on it, or this guy's trolling. I know which one I believe.
-2 no1113 2016-01-23
"Every scientist on Earth", eh? And you say this why exactly? You say this under what system of belief? Oh yeah. I know. You say this because this is how it seems to be the case to you, right? You say this because your trusty MSM and your schools have convinced you of what you've just dutifully repeated here.
You need to get to know about a lot more scientists if you think that "every scientist on Earth" goes by the same MSM garbage that gets propagandized to you.
2 Cptcutter81 2016-01-23
Find me an accredited scientist who believes Mars has the ability to currently host life, with evidence, and I'll show you 500+ who disagree with actual science and actual technology to back them up. Science is based on evidence, of which you've shown less than none.
0 no1113 2016-01-23
You understand neither what science nor evidence is. You think you do, and the consensus of MSM $cientists makes you feel confident in your beliefs, so you look no further and don’t bother to question what you’re sold.
You’ll leave here feeling that you learned nothing of any worth.
This was expected.
3 Cptcutter81 2016-01-23
So MSM information is bullshit, even backed with all verifiable evidence, but random people spouting crap with no evidence whatsoever and nothing to back up their claim on this earth are telling the truth, simply because they say so? Seriously, explain to me how you justify this, I'm genuinely interested in the hoop-jumping you have to do.
0 no1113 2016-01-23
What’s your “verifiable evidence”? It’s all the school book writers and MSM pundits going on tv and telling you that “such and such” is the case.
“Random people” who’ve been in the military, who have degrees in law with active private practices, and who are siblings of powerful presidents.
You’re working really hard at protecting that world view you had indoctrinated into you since childhood.
Some security blankets are hard to let go of.
Corroboration on a given subject by disparate, unrelated sources is scientifically validating, and when the corroborators are disparate, unrelated military and civilian personnel, then it is simply unintelligent (not to mention unscientific) to discard such information (as you are doing here).
"Hoop-jumping". That you call what I’m doing such only shows A) how little you know about what I'm doing or talking about, and B) just how stuck you are in the very superficial level of thinking you’ve had indoctrinated into you.
1 Cptcutter81 2016-01-23
I'm done. I'm just done. They say don't argue with stupid, because it only beats you down to it's level, and I honestly can't even tell what you're trying to tell me anymore, so I'm out.
Have fun believing that all of modern Science is a lie and this random guy claiming to have been to Mars is the only truth-teller, whereas the literally thousands of pictures, data sheets and dozens of landers are all wrong.
-2 no1113 2016-01-23
Obviously not since you keep responding back.
Thank you very much for all this though. You did a wonderful job of providing a texbook example of someone who has a bad case of hubris - something far, far worse than simple ignorance.
Have fun remaining in your small mental box.
1 subroc77 2016-01-23
I see, and what did they say about living on Mars with Obama, pray tell?
-2 no1113 2016-01-23
Your thinking he was living on Mars w/Obama simply shows how ignorant you are and how little you know about this dynamic. You're only here to attempt to marginalize - which does nothing but exemplify that ignorance more.
0 subroc77 2016-01-23
The claim is not that Cramer was part of a secret Mars mission with Obama?
-2 no1113 2016-01-23
So much stupidity and ignorance here.
2 subroc77 2016-01-23
Who was this again, and what did they say?
0 no1113 2016-01-23
Great granddaughter of president Dwight D. Eisenhower.
Enough troll-feeding on my part, however. Say what you want. have the last word, little one. I'm done here.
2 subroc77 2016-01-23
A great grand-daughter is a sibling? Why would his great grand-daughter be an authority on anything? She looks like a new age crystal healing homeopathy person to me.
0 no1113 2016-01-23
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/42a34z/a_very_concise_explanation_detailing_one/cza85ru
2 subroc77 2016-01-23
Pretty lame, dude.
0 Dreadpirate3 2016-01-23
Pot, meet kettle...
-1 subroc77 2016-01-23
You can't possibly be this stupid.
1 no1113 2016-01-23
You can't possibly be this stupid.
(although, yes, I know you actually are)
1 Rockran 2016-01-23
Literally every worthwhile source, every photo, all known space evidence points towards this.
0 no1113 2016-01-23
Not every source or photo or "all evidence" points toward this...but most. Yep. I definitely admit that.
There's quite a bit of evidence that points directly against that MSM data, however. Considering how much MSM info goes right along with what you're talking about though, the momentum weighs heavily against anyone who comes out and says anything different from what the public consensus is already geared toward.
This OP and the majority of the responses in it is a heavy case in point.
1 HAESisAMyth 2016-01-23
He also seems extremely sane.
0 no1113 2016-01-23
Exactly. Check out the "Edit" I made and hear what he has to say there. That does not sound like the voice of a crazy person or a troll at all.
0 HAESisAMyth 2016-01-23
I watched a video of his months ago and was convinced.
In my link you actually see his face and body language, and he discusses the same legality issues.
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-1 no1113 2016-01-23
Yep. Saw that one. The man is a 100% straight shooter. You can tell (or at least I can) that he's a definite no bullshitter. What really convinced me is when he spelled out the legal liabilities that would be involved if he were lying about what he's saying here.
I was like "Is he really serious about that?" Then I actually looked up the very military law he spelled out (the one I linked in the OP), and was like "O_o. Holy shit. He isn't lying about that. He's not making that shit up."
0 subroc77 2016-01-23
His opinions on his potential legal liabilities don't matter if nobody gives a shit about who he is or what he says.
1 no1113 2016-01-23
If he is lying, then he is falsely misrepresenting the United States military, and if he is doing that, you better bet the Marines will give a shit. You likely don't know much about the Marines, but they don't take kindly to someone being an imposter and saying they did all kinds of shit in their name if and when they didn't.
It doesn't work like that.
-1 subroc77 2016-01-23
I understand how stolen valor works.
I don't care if he was a Marine or not, the military can have the mentally ill or pathological liars amongst its ranks just like any other field. His military career has no bearing on whether his claims make any sense.
1 no1113 2016-01-23
If you think he’s “mentally ill” or a “pathological liar”, then A) you haven’t seen any talk he’s ever done, and B) you know literally nothing about reading any type of body language.
1 subroc77 2016-01-23
You are basically saying that nobody can be effectively deceptive.
What I can't help but notice in all of this is that it conveniently doesn't require a single shred of evidence.
1 no1113 2016-01-23
I’m saying that there are many other factors aside from what this person is saying that strongly indicate that he is not just out and out lying.
What I can’t help but notice is that you’re not using a shred of critical thinking ability in assessing any of the information provided here. If you knew anything about this subject, you’d know that there are no less than half a dozen other unrelated sources saying similar things that captain Cramer is saying.
Oh but wait a minute. I actually provided you with some sources. The fact that you still make this statement, therefore, means that you are either so stupid that you simply can’t understand information when it’s right in front of your face, or you’re here only to attempt to discredit information in this sub.
Neither option is a very good one.
1 subroc77 2016-01-23
I see a lot of rhetoric but no evidence.
This guy is claiming that he lived with Obama on Mars. I'm sorry, but I might need something resembling a scrap of evidence. Extraordinary claims, you see.
0 no1113 2016-01-23
Much more than that - some of which has already been talked about here. Those that don't have eyes to see, however, or who refuse to, won't.
1 subroc77 2016-01-23
What is the direct, actual evidence?
1 no1113 2016-01-23
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/42a34z/a_very_concise_explanation_detailing_one/cza5ruc
0 subroc77 2016-01-23
The plural of anecdote is not data.
1 no1113 2016-01-23
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/42a34z/a_very_concise_explanation_detailing_one/cza5ruc
0 subroc77 2016-01-23
Did your brain break there, buddy?
1 no1113 2016-01-23
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/42a34z/a_very_concise_explanation_detailing_one/cza85ru
1 subroc77 2016-01-23
You may want to rethink your tactic here.
1 SokarRostau 2016-01-23
Or he could be a disinformation agent spreading these stories on the command of his superiors in order to perpetuate a useful distraction.
If the US government were in contact with ET, that would be the biggest military secret in the history of humanity. It's the sort of thing that makes the A-Bomb look like slingshot pellets. Look at what the CIA and the KGB were doing to each other during the Cold War. Look at the case of Lutvenenko, why was he killed? Why were the Rosenbergs executed? Look at all of the reasons that people have been murdered, executed and imprisoned for even being suspected of spying or leaking secrets. Now ask yourself how multiple members of the military are able to leak a national security secret on the scale of alien contact? How are multiple 'whistleblowers' from the military and intelligence agencies able to publish book after book for decade after decade revealing the greatest of all national security secrets, without ever being prosecuted let alone murdered? What makes a military man so much more trustworthy a source than anyone else?
1 no1113 2016-01-23
Absolutely. That is absolutely an option too. However, the fact that his testimony is backed up and corroborated by various other disparate sources strongly indicates that he is not being sent in as a disinformation agent. Laura Eisenhower (great grand daughter of president Dwight D. Eisenhower), Andrew Basiago, and Corey Goode have all gone on record talking about the very same topics that Cramer has talked about, and they all did this before they had any awareness of each other’s existence, so it’s not like they colluded with each other on this.
That, again, lends great weight to Cramer not being sent out by his military superiors to spin fanciful yarns.
If you think the governments of the world haven’t been in contact with ETs, then you have a lot of research to do, sir - because there is an absolute ton of evidence showing pretty definitively that they have been.
Correct.
The answer is not only an easy one, but one that Captain Cramer has spelled out quite a bit himself. This planet isn’t ruled by ONE HEAD HONCHO that runs everything and calls the shots to everyone. It is composed of various very powerful factions all vying for more power - all of which tend to backstab each other to get the upper hand. Some of those factions could care less for the 99%. Other do very much care about the welfare of the species. According to captain Cramer’s own words, he represents forces that wish to restore order to the constitution of the United States. Those forces have enough power of their own to protect him and keep him from getting immediately shut down or killed by those other forces that, as you intimated above, would prevent “national security secrets on the scale of alien contact”.
Just answered that as far as Captain Cramer goes. Corey Goode has mentioned having the backing of certain senior command staff as well - although his situation seems quite a bit more unstable than captain Cramer’s.
Because, as I already mentioned captain Cramer stating, he would be committing a prosecutable felony if he were lying.
1 SokarRostau 2016-01-23
If he were telling the truth he would be committing treason.
That law you quoted demonstrates that he is not lying about being a member of the military, it says nothing beyond that.
1 no1113 2016-01-23
Incorrect. Eisenhower signed a law into effect toward the end of his presidency making it the highest priority for the proper forces to exercise their ability to restore constitutional order to the country if and when that constitution was becoming undermined by forces that illegally wrested power from the country.
Such is the country we live in today.
As such, the real forces committing treason here are actually those who are supporting and acting in accord with the illegal system that was put in power in the United States. Those who are fighting against that illegal system are actually the ones serving the highest order of The Constitution itself. Treason is the last thing Cramer is committing.
What buoys his information is the fact that what he says is corroborated by various other civilian and military individuals completely unrelated to him.
It's more difficult to say he's just making shit up when other individuals who don't know him also said similar things.
1 northamerimassgrave 2016-01-23
Refer to Jacques Vallee. The U.S. military does this all the time. "Leakers" are floated with stories that don't add up, often covering for related operations, or misdirecting away from other operations, as well as performing psy-op functions. Refer to Vallee's writings on Major Richard Doty; Bob Lazar; Paul Bennewitz. Also Vallee's entire book Messengers of Deception.
1 no1113 2016-01-23
I’m familiar with Vallee. As I stated elsewhere in this OP, captain Cramer’s information has been independently corroborated by various other unrelated sources. The idea that all these unrelated sources were somehow all lying heavily stretches the credibility of anyone alleging such a thing under these types of circumstances.
0 subroc77 2016-01-23
Such as?
1 no1113 2016-01-23
Laura Eisenhower
Andrew Basiago
Corey Goode
Brett Stillings
Bernard Mendez
0 subroc77 2016-01-23
And how do any of these people manage to corroborate anything? With evidence? Of course not. Here's Basiago jumping on this nonsense bandwagon:
http://www.theeventchronicle.com/study/andrew-d-basiago-validates-mars-experiences-u-s-marine-capt-randy-cramer/
I mean, do I even need to add commentary to that? LOL.
0 no1113 2016-01-23
Your have no argument.
“Person A seems wrong to me because person B seems wrong to me too. Durrr.”
I get it. You’re not very smart. You can move along. This is above your pay grade.
0 subroc77 2016-01-23
The argument is that their stories are insane and have no evidence.
1 no1113 2016-01-23
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/42a34z/a_very_concise_explanation_detailing_one/cz9v4j2
0 subroc77 2016-01-23
That's OP, all it is is a video of Cramer talking.
I've been polite with this critical analysis so far, but honestly this is the dumbest story I've ever heard and I worry for your mental health and cognitive abilities if you take it at face value.
2 no1113 2016-01-23
Easy to be polite when you're a denying idiot actually. Also easy to call something "dumb" when you refuse to acknowledge what's already been mentioned.
Your mind is the one that doesn't work too well. Either way it doesn't matter, and existence will go on regardless of whatever it is you think is the case.
-1 subroc77 2016-01-23
A lot of talk, no evidence.
1 no1113 2016-01-23
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/42a34z/a_very_concise_explanation_detailing_one/cza5ruc
0 no1113 2016-01-23
Much more than that - some of which has already been talked about here. Those that don't have eyes to see, however, or who refuse to, won't.
1 subroc77 2016-01-23
What is the direct, actual evidence?