A few weeks ago I was listening to a podcast and they spent quite some time on this topic.

Since then I have had surgery and my brain is fuzzy.

I will try and find it and post the link.

This is a topic I'm interested in as well.

A German company called Convar recovered data from hard drives damaged in the collapse. There has been a lot of speculation about that.

Destroying WTC7 had no public relations purpose for the Bush Syndicate. At 47 stories, most people were not even aware that it existed. Yet within WTC7 were many government offices including the FBI, CIA, SEC, Justice Department, and Secret Service. WTC7 was also the storage facility for millions of files pertaining to active cases involving international drug dealing, organized crime, terrorism and money laundering. By destroying WTC7, the Bush Syndicate was able to stop many criminal investigations that would have led to high level members of the criminal cabal embedded within the US government. The need to avoid prosecution for previous crimes may have been one of the largest motivations for the 9/11 attacks. These investigations included: WTC building 6 housed the U.S. Customs agency and the El Dorado Task force an interagency group founded in 1992 which coordinated all major money laundering investigations in the U.S. [37] An FBI investigation into gold price fixing / gold laundering housed on the 22nd floor on North Tower in the WTC.[38] An FBI case against Mobil Oil and James Giffen on illegal oil swaps between Iran and Kazakhstan at that time before a NY grand jury. ( see July 9th Seymour Hersh article, http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2001/07/09/010709fa_fact_hersh). Bank of New York money laundering: evidence in buildings 1 and 7. 3 agencies involved in the Enron investigation (SEC, Justice Department, and FBI)- In WTC7, the IRS was investigating Barrick Gold’s offshore hedge book.[39] 3,000 – 4,000 cases at the SEC office including documents showing the relationship between Citigroup and Worldcom.[40] Instead of flying straight over the Potomac and into the offices of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Secretary of Defense, American Airlines flight 77 executed a very difficult 330 degree descending corkscrew turn to crash into the section of the Pentagon containing the Office of Naval Intelligence and pentagon budget analysts. The Office of Naval Intelligence had just been moved into the section of the Pentagon which was destroyed on 9/11. At that time, the Office of Naval Intelligence was investigating a gold price fixing/gold laundering scheme that could have implicated the Bush Syndicate. Also killed in the Pentagon on 9/11 were a large number of budget analysts and accountants who may have been looking into the $2.3 Trillion of unaccounted military spending that Donald Rumsfeld announced on Sept 10th, 2001. In addition, after 9/11, many government investigators who previously had been looking into domestic government criminal activity were diverted from those cases to the newly created war on terror. As a result of both the destruction of ongoing investigations and the diversion of resources, all investigations which threatened criminals embedded within the highest levels of the U.S. government were stopped. 9/11 as a massive financial crime: The criminal syndicate behind 9/11 also used the “terrorist attacks” as cover for a series of financial crimes. These crimes are less well researched than many other aspects of the 9/11 op, and I suspect that we will have continuing revelations on this front. The best documented aspect of the financial crimes has been the widespread insider trading which took place prior to the 9/11 attacks. Jonathan Winer, a financial consultant, told ABC, “it’s absolutely unprecedented to see cases of insider trading covering the entire world from Japan to the US to North America to Europe.”[41] After the 9/11 attacks, the German Central bank studied the possibility of insider trading. According to German central bank president Ernst Welteke, the German researchers found “almost irrefutable proof of insider trading”.[42] Welteke was blunt: “What we found makes us sure that people connected to the terrorists must have been trying to profit from this tragedy.”[43] Some of the unusual trading in put options was conducted by Deutsche Bank Alex Brown whose CEO “Buzzy” Krongard had longstanding ties to the CIA and left Alex Brown in March 2001 to become Excecutive Director of the CIA. However, the SEC was not forthcoming about its own investigation “treating these inquiries as if they were state secrets”. The SEC quickly concluded that there was no insider trading and in a highly unusual move destroyed all of its records of the investigation.[44] In addition to insider trading, other sophisticated financial frauds were part of the 9/11 op. Convar, a company specializing in computer disaster recovery found evidence that “unusually large sums of money, perhaps more than $100 million, were rushed through the computers [in the WTC] as the disaster unfolded." A Deutsche Bank employee told investigative reporter Mike Ruppert that “about five minutes before the attack the entire Deutsche Bank computer system had been taken over by something external that no one in the office recognized, and every file was downloaded at lightning speed to an unknown location”.[45] The details of what happened in the bond market are not completely clear, but there appears to be strong evidence that a major financial crime was committed, perhaps the largest theft in US history. It is also possible that there is a benign explanation for the following set of facts, but given the level of sophistication and comprehensive nature of the Bush Syndicate, the benign explanation strikes me as unlikely. The targeted nature of the airplane strikes appears to have been a deliberate attempt to cause chaos in the US government bond market. The plane which hit the North Tower of the WTC crashed right into the offices of Cantor Fitzgerald, the largest inter-dealer broker of U.S. government bonds. While in the South Tower, the offices of Eurobrokers, another large inter-dealer broker, were in the impact zone of the second plane strike. In the wake of the “chaos” in the bond market, the regular rules for settling trades were suspended, and the conditions for a huge financial crime were created. Trade breaks are a regular occurrence in the financial markets, and standard procedures exist to allow for the nullification of trades without a counterparty. However, in the days following 9/11, rather than use the established procedures for dealing with unmatched trades, in an unprecedented action, the SEC suspended normal rules and allowed for blind brokered trades. Despite the damage to lower Manhattan, the fixed income clearing operations of most banks were unaffected, but in the days following September 11, Bank of New York was overdue on over $100 billion in payments.[46] However, none of BoNY’s systems failed or went non-operational. As the New York Times reported, “Bank executives argue that some of the criticism has taken on some aspects of urban legend, especially the notion that the bank was in disarray because the main backup for its computer center in Lower Manhattan was at another location in Lower Manhattan. The bank says that all of its several computer centers in Manhattan were always set to revert to centers outside the city in case of emergency, and they did on Sept 11.”[47] September 11, 2001 was no ordinary day for the financial markets. By mid-morning, all of lower Manhattan, including the financial district had been evacuated. Across the country, business slowed as people put their normal lives on hold to either react to the attacks or just watch the events unfold on TV. As a result, both the number and volume of transactions sending funds through the financial system was much lower than average throughout the day of 9/11. However, starting around 6 PM and continuing to midnight, a huge amount of money started flowing through the banking system. Although many billions of dollars were flowing through the system, this large flow of funds was handled with only a small number of transactions.[48] What really happened in the financial markets in the days following 9/11 is hard to know, but evidence exists of: highly unusual trade flows, an unprecedented suspension of the normal rules for processing trades, massive, coordinated insider trading that was covered up by the SEC, an incredibly sophisticated black op run by people with a history of running financial frauds, a computer systems take over at Deutchebank, and a $100B plus trade settlement problem at BoNY blamed on systems problems yet BoNY never had any systems problems. Given the lack of any investigation into these possible financial crimes, not enough evidence exists to form a clear opinion as to what happened, but the above pattern of facts is consistent with a massive $100B+ financial crime as part of the 9/11 op.

I stand on the shoulders of other's ...

Make sure u check out that link https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Document:Fifty_Years_of_the_Deep_State

That paragraph was downvoted and ignored, so you know it's on to something...

Here's some comic relief

http://youtu.be/OdbknSpnt2A

Donny Rumsfeld

If you have not already familiarized yourself with History Commons, it is a good resource -

http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=911timeline&911timeline_before_9_11=911timeline_insider_trading__foreknowledge

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Thanks for sharing this. It was a good watch.

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Very informative and I liked how it used the actual news reports.

There are hundreds of thousands of Equity options trades done daily. In hindsight numerous allegations (all likely spurious) and connections can be made and drawn.

http://www.cboe.com/data/avgdailyvolarchive.aspx

So do we know who was actually placing/buying the put options?

I believe it was a Christopher Bollyn video I was watching fairly recently said the evidence for who collected, was destroyed. Naturally.

I've read the SEC destroyed the data as part of "routine record keeping."

I've also read some of the trading was traced to Buzzy Krongard, CIA.

It's always sooo routine, innit?

They traced some to Wirt Dexter Walker III (distant relation to the Bush fam) and his wife. But since they had no ties to Al-Qaeda it wasn't seen as relevant.

It is talked about in this link that /u/monkey-see-doggy-do posted....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3xgjxJwedA

...and yet people don't think there was a conspiracy. The real culprits are alive and well and enjoying their lives. Enriched by the blood of the innocent.

The report admits there was insider trading but it's not "Al-Qaeda"...so that's OK.

How anyone can be OK with that and think that is not a conspiracy....I just really don't know what to say anymore.

 

The real culprits are alive and well and enjoying their lives. Enriched by the blood of the innocent.

Very sad and very true.

Did you watch Billions yesterday? Rolled my eyes last week about everyone in the show being upset about shorting AA after the plane hit. Who wouldn't do That? Or pull their money out, it's the reason they shut down Wall street for three days. It's the shorts prior to the attacks that should be checked. Or who sent the text message to odigo in tel Aviv warning about the attacks. Odigo also had offices in the towers in New York, making it even weirder.

Here's a great explanation from someone who witnessed it first hand: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFJwVxqD4A4

Looks like you are searching for the conspiracy side of the official story on the pre-9/11 trading scandal. If you haven't already I'd suggest reading Rupert and Flocco here, http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/10_09_01_krongard.html

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/12_06_01_death_profits_pt1.html

It's a huge read but I'll pull out some stuff you're asking about.

• The first link shows there were lots of suspicious puts placed in the days prior to 9/11. No idea the number of trading companies involved although I did hear British regulators were also involved which might put some British traders in the mix. You would have to track down the writer of the IDC story that started it or the SFGate story writer here might know which institutions were involved. http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Suspicious-profits-sit-uncollected-Airline-2874054.php The problem is you have lots of simple traders putting in a few puts all over the world. The big money seems to be located at Deutsche with Brown.

• I hope you find some names for other traders involved, however digging into A.B.Brown probably leads you far enough down the rabbit hole. A.B. “Buzzy” Krongard ran it then moved over to be executive director at the CIA. The reinsurance trades look like the CIA profiting at the expense of Euro insurance companies on a CIA planned 'terrorist' event. That involved huge money. The few little airline puts sounds like some small 'in the know' fish making a few bucks. Of course some were never collected on.

• Trading companies typically know who their clients are that hold accounts and make put options. In fact it's generally law that they do to stop money laundering. I haven't seen anyone identified in any story anywhere...no surprise of course.

In financial investigations people are deputized routinely because the investigations are so complex authorities have no idea how to dig around and find the guilty. They are not allowed to discuss the investigation otherwise it would ruin any future prosecution of the targets. Standard stuff really.

My thoughts on your questions:

1. The FEC is limited to US territorial investigations. They can request help internationally, but banks outside of the FEC's reach make the investigations much more difficult. So investors in Germany, making a trade through a German bank in a US stock exchange need to be prosecuted in Germany. The SEC would provide evidence of insider trading to Germany. Of course Germany would share their investigation details with the SEC so they could search their 'system' for individuals involved working through other banks or trading companies.

2. The few millions made off of the US airline trades isn't really that much and it is so easy to defend insider trading cases like that. Always hearing normal news that might impact airline stocks. Chance of a conviction so small and the publicity generated by that story would be massive.

3. I don't think it's related to the FEC losing some computers in WTC7. The info would have been backed up off-site. Interestingly there seems to have been a spike in last second credit card transactions through some computers inside WTC7 in the hopes the data was lost in the disaster. http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2013/02/23/re-deutsche-bank-alex-brown-and-911-insider-trading/ That doesn't seem related to the SEC however as it was credit card companies restoring some hard drives.

4. Tons of precious info inside WTC7 to destroy. I've read some theories but they are all over the place. I doubt you'll ever get anything but speculation on this subject.

Here is the link...

https://m.soundcloud.com/guns-and-butter-1/evidence-of-insider-trading-before-911-paul-zarembka-245

Zarembka is also author of "The Hidden History of 9/11"

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Document:Fifty_Years_of_the_Deep_State

I stand on the shoulders of other's ...

Make sure u check out that link https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Document:Fifty_Years_of_the_Deep_State

That paragraph was downvoted and ignored, so you know it's on to something...