TIL u/lordrothschild is actually Lord Rothschild.

Setting off a false flag by the EU buildings is useful for influencing politics, let's see what they were due to discuss today, ahh yes, the Palestinian peace process, Rothschild owns Israel

European Parliament Committee Meetings

European Parliament, Brussels

"Palestine: Palestine's Foreign Affairs Minister Riad Al-Malki will join Foreign Affairs Committee Members to debate the political situation there, including the inter-Palestinian reconciliation talks, the economic and humanitarian situation in occupied Palestinian territories, initiatives for re-launching Middle East peace process, and the regional situation."

Hehe. It would be the perfect cover! :p

my new default assumption, which is hoax

I wish I could live in a fantasy world where every bad thing that happens is fake.

Seems silly, sure, but when governments attack civil liberties, the burden of proof shifts to them. Without any proof provided in many recent attacks, it's only reasonable to be suspicious and keep your thoughts on your own protection before surrendering anything to the powers that be.

Why would governments fake it when they could just create an actual event? Why go through the effort of such an elaborate hoax when they could just kill actual people and not leave anything to be debunked as a hoax? That is what seems silly to me.

Why would governments fake it when they could just create an actual event? Why go through the effort of such an elaborate hoax when they could just kill actual people and not leave anything to be debunked as a hoax? That is what seems silly to me.

Real events have real family members that want real investigations. If you hoax something outright there isn't any real calls for an investigation from family members, friends...

Real victims means real families wondering what really happened to their loved ones. The 9/11 aftermath was a nightmare for the establishment since so many families wouldn't believe the official story. When you can establish a bunch of identities and then report them as deaths, there will be a lot fewer people digging for real answers.

Of course, I don't know if this is a hoax, I've barely looked into it at all. But it will take some good footage to prove anything to me. The lack of civilian footage in recent attacks definitively proving casualties, particularly Paris, seems to be an impossible anomaly in this day considering the ubiquitous presence of HD cameras in almost everyone's pocket.

Yes!! I was just trying to make this point about hoaxes in a different thread.

Actually, I did see a video that to me, looked quite real. If it was fabricated, then they did a really good job. Since I wasn't able to convince myself it was faked in any way, I consider it NSFL.

I'm at work so I'm not gonna bother searching for it, but you can run a search for LiveLeak videos of it and you may come across it. Let me know what you think.

I think you misunderstood...he was talking about videos from the NYE rape in Cologne, Germany, one of which I've seen, and I wish I hadn't.

As far as I can tell, this Brussels deal is every bit the Hamlet Boston was. 200 people hurt, limbs blown everywhere, but all we see is more bright-red blood and not a single flesh wound? People receiving oxygen while casually texting on their phones? Nope. I'd bet no one even really got hurt. No one looks terrified, nobody's screaming, many people just seem to be happy to be hanging out.

Here's what I saw...let me know your thoughts...

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fd6_1452200926

Oh, shit.

Without real victims there will be no claims made to collect money.

You are correct. OP is advancing a strategy that is beloved by military intelligence for dividing /r/conspiracy into two factions: serious researchers, and those who are here for a laugh and are reading /r/conspiracy for tabloid paranoia entertainment.

If "everything is a hoax" (not false flags, but completely artificial with zero deaths) then "the conspirators are not murderers", and "there are no crimes to prosecute", and "nothing is real so why research criminal conspiracy or organized crime?"

Consider OP's comment history. 90% of OP's comments are promoting the website of Miles Mathis (who proposes that everything is a hoax, including every celebrity death, every news item from the last 50 years, and even basic science & physics): "Flat Earth" on steroids.

Brilliant analysis. You're a STAR ... "Daddie O" really has nothing to say but 'nothing is real.'

Good assumption.

I believe everything on the news.

people can still be hurt/killed in a false flag attack, i think. whatever it was, i'm sure it was a planned attack.

It doesn't matter. Assume people were killed. Assume it was an actual terror cell of islamists. Assume connections with ISIS can and will be drawn. Assume there will be a manhunt and that this will justify disruption and tough talk and enhanced "security" measures.

It doesn't even really need to be staged any more. You can almost guarantee that intelligence services are closely tracking the extremists that have come out of their training camps in yemen and syria and iraq. SOMEONE was making these weapons available in France and Belgium. Gun control is tight. But there are plenty of potential extremists who have been driven out of their countries. They've managed to create a very real threat at this point.

No casualties in Paris? Are you high?

Don't forget to watch the news before you go to bed

Hi sheep, how is your day going today? Following routine?

What does being high have to do with it? No casualties in Paris is entirely reasonable considering the lack of evidence provided.

One photo from the Bataclan that is inconsistent with the stories? Where's the rest of that set? Also the 'witnesses' are clearly lying in their interviews. a feature of a hoax, not a false flag. in a false flag you get real traumatized witnesses, not fake shitty actors like EODM.

Wow look at the downvotes we somehow got nailed with, lol. I always get them in chunks, and very rarely just one or two.

Generally just after big terrorist attacks people such as myself take a rare trip into /r/conspiracy just to see if the reputation for utter stupidity and paranoid retardation is true.

Turns out it is! Have a downvote from me! :)

You're welcome to come and see any time but your right to comment has just been revoked.

I don't think the photo from inside the Bataclan is fooling anyone. It's an absolute choke job. Not to mention the in-your-face fakery from the scene outside the theater...I'm not certain nobody got hurt at one or more of the cafes, but that Bataclan scene was a definite set-up.

Going to copy another comment I found in this thread that sums up my thoughts here : I wish I could live in a fantasy world where every bad thing that happens is fake.

Daddie_O is a hoax.

Your fantasy world of 'chaotic chaos' is actually easier to deal with psychologically than the realization that most of the chaos and death (both real and faked) is planned and used to manipulate us... But once you pull the curtains aside, you can never go back to believing that the Wizard of Oz is real. You can always see the men behind the curtain.

Because nobody could REALLY hate the West and want to take revenge on it, after we have spent the past fifteen years bombing large chunks of the Middle East into oblivion. They all love us over there! It can only be De Ebil Gubment!

And I guess all the suicide bombers and IEDs in Iraq and Afghanistant must be "false flags" as well. Or if that isn't, explain why that terrorism can't be exported to the West, along with the millions of refugees? It's also funny how "they" are so willing to kill hundreds of thousands of people there, but according to Daddie_O, utterly balk at actually killing anyone in Paris or Boston.

Like so much of the "false flag" idiocy, it makes absolutely no sense at all. Bad people exist in the world, willing to die and kill for their cause. And they aren't the CIA.

You refuse even to consider this could actually be a terrorist attack, so clearly DO believe nobody could really hate the West.

You don't even wait for the facts to emerge from today's incidents before proclaiming "Is it a false flag with real casualties, or a hoax like Paris?", rejecting, without grounds, far more plausible scenarios - such as that it's yet another in the ongoing wave of terrorist attacks on Western European targets. Or was the attack in Istanbul earlier this week also a false flag? If not, what's the difference?

It's just a lot easier to get away with a false flag when you don't have actual victims trying to get answers and seek justice

It's stunning the intellectual gymnastics you have to go through to justify your position. What you describe would be utterly impossible. Show me one example in the past, oh, 70 years of anyone faking the deaths of over 130 people in a public location, as you claim happened in Paris.

the grounds that I'm rejecting it on are on the basis of my previous knowledge that those other attacks are also false flags.

And we're done here. Sorry.

Can you please provide indisputable evidence that the paris attacks were indeed a hoax?

I'm not the one making the claim, you are. The onus is on YOU to provide me evidence supporting your claims. So please, enlighten me with this "evidence" you possess that seemingly no one else has.

No no no no, they've provided the evidence and you've refuted it using VERY weak arguments which you try to pass off as "irrefutable". They claimed a terrorist attack occurred and provided sufficient evidence to make that claim to be true. The onus is on YOU considering you are the one making the claim that its a hoax. Sorry to break it to you but what you've posted is random accusations trying to discredit people who have been affected by this situation.

I'll take first accounts, with MULTIPLE reports providing imagery and video, over some random paranoid keyboard warrior spouting off pseudo intellectual bullshit.

You refuse even to consider this could actually be a terrorist attack, so clearly DO believe nobody could really hate the West.

such illogic. and dealing in absolutes and insults. how creative.

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Please read rule 10 and lay off the shill accusations in future.

lmao that's too good

Why are there only two options? How come it has to be either a false flag or a hoax? Consider that it could be considerably more complicated than the two options you present. If people actually died, then it can't be called a hoax. If the bombers killed themselves with suicide vests, then you cannot call it a false flag. There ought to be more options than the two you mention.

I agree that ISIS may very well be a puppet of the CIA or other intelligence agencies. That it not a false flag however... you are mistaken. If a CIA agent dresses as a Muslim dude for the cameras and sets off a bomb, THAT is a false flag.

No hard feelings, it's important that we work through complex issues like this and find common ground.

I don't think you understand the words hoax and false flag. If the media represents an event as x but really what happened was y then it means it was a hoax because we(the public) are being deceived. Real people can die in a hoax as well as a false flag. It is ALSO a false flag because of the way it is represented and used in the political arena as leverage for such things as the Patriot Act.

Your obfuscation of the rhetoric used is telling of either misunderstanding or intent to mislead.

edit: after reading these comments. Man you folks who do not understand rhetoric and the meaning of words really need to go and learn about rhetoric and the definition of words because if you were more knowledgeable on rhetoric you may just be aware that HOAX does NOT connote that an entire event is faked or staged.

It is clear that you do not understand what these words mean. Wow...just wow.

Hoax: malicious deception.

false flag: covert operations that are designed to deceive in such a way that the operations appear as though they are being carried out by entities, groups, or nations other than those who actually planned and executed them.

You are ignorant if you do not understand what I am discussing. Go educate yourself. WOW.

Please point to anything I have ever said, ever, that illustrates my lack of understanding those two terms. I have been a staunch critic of misusing these terms in particular for a long long time. You are not a native English speaker, are you?

322: Doesn't seem a drill or hoax so far to me, but early times yet. It seems they did kill people in WTC a couple of times (1993 and 2001) and also at OKC building. So I put in the realm of possibility they set up their patsies for the real thing this time (like the FBI did in 1993 with Emad Salem to blow up WTC)

Possibly because family members caused them so many problems around 9/11. Jersey Girls for instance leading to the investigation and subsequent resignation of Henry Kissinger.

Even 9/11 was part hoax.. The purported hijackings of those aircraft that had no black boxes and flown by incompetents in expert manner.

Let's not forget that one of the hijacked planes actually crashed into Camp David on 9/11. But since that wasn't a part of their plan, the media did not mention it once.

edit: I don't really give a shit about your downvotes, but at least take some time to browse through this thread concerning the 9/11 pager intercepts before you assume I'm bullshitting. There's some interesting stuff in there. And yes, a plane did crash into Camp David on 9/11 but was quickly covered up.

I had not heard this before. Do you have any sources on that?

Check out this comment I left concerning the 9/11 pager intercepts leaked by wikileaks.

Do you have a link to the wikileak?

here

also here is a direct link to download the whole file.

It's good for CTRL+F-ing to search through various keywords. For example, the search term "car bomb" brings a lot of interesting messages to light.

Thanks

Sandy Hook, Boston Marathon bombing, Virginia shooting -- all hoaxes.

This quote is relevant. The evil men in charge of that rogue agency have a stronghold on Hollywood. Several "reporters" are undercover CIA agents.

A modest amount of research would yields details of those killed and maimed in each incident. Go further and you can identify the victims support groups, the charities that provide care for victims of terrorism and their loved ones.

All real people, with real, richly detailed lives and you choose to believe - and preach - that it's all an elaborate fabrication ?

They were expendable costs to further the agendas

I doubt that, but it's many times more plausible than alleging they were hoaxes.

Of course they all have support groups -- that's the fucking point. Of course, go beyond that "modest" amount of research and you might just find that these charities and support groups are little more than political theatre. To take your guns? Taking your guns does align with the globalist agenda, but I think it goes way beyond your guns. I think they do it as a sort of occult ritual sacrifice, they offer such poor evidence and shady circumstances to flaunt it in our faces, such that even if you're eyes are half opened to the agenda, it's like breaking the fourth wall of reality. It's like an actor winking directly at the camera in the middle of a movie, acknowledging that you are watching a film and breaking the immersion. They always hide their signature, because they must. They are, after all, psychopaths who cannot help but to leave a hint, they always leave a hint. I'm sure if they wanted to they could pull one off that didn't have all of these awfully strange coincidences, but if they did then we couldn't figure it out and they wouldn't get that strange psychopathic high they get off fucking others over.

/r/conspiracy - hoax.

I've been seeing this a lot lately. Can you point me in the direction of reading why they're hoaxes?

I would try to have a normal conversation with you about why you're wrong but it seems like you're a complete and utter moron so I dont think i'll bother.

I don't understand how you're upvoted in some posts and downvoted in others, this sub is so fuckin' weird. Downvoted to extreme for saying Paris is hoax?

Why do you think it looks real? Because there are pictures of broken glass on television? Have you seen any dead bodies yet? You're much better off assuming everything you watch on television is a a fake production until you have evidence that it's real and not the other way around.

I don't think it looks real. I don't assume it's real as a default. Possibly they used real bombs. Too early and not enough information for me to make an assessment.

Here's your dead bodies....

not saying for sure real just yet, but looks much more realistic than the previous last few.

I only saw one dead body in all of those pictures

They interviewed poor lost souls on the streets of Brussels on Al-Jazeera in November right after the Paris attacks, when Belgian military was openly rolling tanks and heavy gear all over the roads. The ones they interviewed said things like, "well, with all this military out, there must be a reason," and, "It's a scary world, but after a while, you just get used to their presence."

That's 95% of people right there. Maybe it's even a higher percentage in Europe, I don't know. But that's what they're taking advantage of, and don't expect the citizens of Belgium to have any more luck in fighting emergency state powers than the French did.

Or - and I appreciate this is going out on a limb - an actual, really truly terrorist attack?

Look, it's an open secret that ISIS or DAESH or whatever you want to call them was created, funded and is now controlled by the CIA and other western intelligence agencies/governments.

Nope. It actually isn't. And it will take more than an "evidence thread" with such "proof" as Obama mangling his words and an UTTERLY discredited story (from a ludicrous source and with no supporting evidence) about an Israeli colonel being captured, to show otherwise. Frankly, you're giving the CIA way too much credit. At worst, ISIS is unintended consequences of the campaign to unseat Qadaffi in Libya - just as Al Qaeda were unintended consequences of the campaign against the Soviets in Afghanistan.

There are plenty of people who hate the West, and will happily attack us, even if they have to die to do it. You don't need to false flag anything: the last 15 years in Afghanistan and Iraq proves that beyond all doubt - and certainly beyond a few shitty Youtube videos. With, literally, millions of "refugees" now flooding into Western Europe, there is absolutely no reason why some of those won't be bringing that violent hate with them. THAT is what we are seeing in Paris and Brussels.

And how could you have possible watched 75 minutes of well-sourced youtube videos in just a few minutes and concluded that they're 'shitty?' Shouldn't you actually watch them before you make up your mind? I guess you 'just know' they're shitty because they disagree with your viewpoint.

No offense, but you must be new here:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/07/22/1112509/-The-Gentleperson-s-Guide-to-Forum-Spies

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You don't know why they bother? Probably b/c w/o them, the world might look a little different. You said you underestimated the CIA. Maybe you are underestimating propaganda.

Absolutely no offence; food for thought. Have you read Bernay's works? http://whale.to/b/bernays.pdf

If you've read this, you can't possibly not understand the power of "shills" and like ilk.

Here's a simple example: You can 'hire' someone on fivrr to post amazon product reviews. Yet how many people trust these reviews? LOADS!

Well sometimes you can use shills as a way to bounce ideas/info around. They provide a strawman, or perhaps raise a point someone who still is "in the dark" may have. In that case dump info and move on. I know I'll put those links to use.

They probably don't get paid enough to watch the videos too.

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Reported and saged. This guy is living in a different reality.

Sorry, my experience with YouTube videos has been that they are the exact OPPOSITE of well-sourced, typically full of false claims and are just never worth the time spent watching them. Give me documentation, give me websites laying out the case, with links to the actual "proof", and I'll happily engage you. Until then, all the evidence actually points to this being a genuine terrorist attack, just like Paris, Boston and 7/7.

It didn't even take 10 minutes., I started reading the Storm Clouds Gathering article (picked at random), and it rapidly demonstrated such a woeful ignorance of the way the world actually works, e.g. conflating all anti-Assad forces in Syria as if they were a single homogeneous army, that I simply couldn't continue. These are not people looking at the facts and analyzing them to come to conclusions. These are people cherry-picking and distorting facts, in order to come to a conclusion they've already decided is the truth. And you do exactly the same:

The fact that you think that all the refugees flowing into Europe right now come from Syria already shows how ill informed you are about current events.

Of course, I didn't say ANYTHING about where the refugees come from. I didn't even mention Syria. You are flat-out lying. That ISIS=CIA/MOSSAD proponents such as you simply have to make stuff up - also like the "captured Israeli colonel" story - demonstrates exactly how feeble the evidence actually is.

Pictures: Important: "Police have asked the public not to comment on police operations on social media" WTF

That guy walking by with a briefcase. Either high as fuck or shocked as hell.

30+ casualties makes it seem less likely to be a hoax.

I wrote my supposing that the numbers were real and confirm-able, but you're absolutely right, too. That's a great quote as well.

You are so far gone its actually insane. If you think this is an actual hoax you are beyond delusional. Why exactly would they destroy an entire airport just to put some fear into people? Explain that to me, please.

is it a false flag with real casualties or hoax like Paris?

I'm all for entertaining alternative takes on events, but these kind of statements are quite detrimental to a healthy discussion with those more attuned to MSM. Cements the 'tinfoil-nutjob' image.

So far not much besides smoke and people running/standing around.

It's way early to have even a partial picture of what happened there, and there are already some grisly videos on youtube. And, sad to say, remember that it's cheaper/easier to have real civilian victims than crisis actors...

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When they hit they hit hard! The more downvotes, the more truth you must be speaking!

A "hoax" like Paris, you people have really gone off the deep end eh? Its pretty sad how you have nothing better to do but make these ridiculous claims without evidence other than a random idiot "predicting" it.

Are you people for real? get help.

oohhh 322 skull and bones I see what you did there.

It's too bad that in Brussels, March 22 is written in European-style notation as 22/3, not 3/22.

But Americans are so American-centric that the world revolves around them.

BB/C

They supposedly prefer to reverse their messages anyway, why would the order even matter?

It's not like there are real radicals with a very real agenda living in Europe.

It's another false flag operation.

Israel works with Isis. Today is purim.

Belgian here

This was not a false flag, believe me

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He is Belgian that's enough lol.

False flag = doing something while pretending to be someone else so they get blamed.

So you KNOW who did this? There is NO WAY it could have been someone pretending to be someone else?

Cui bono?

Terrorists would do this to make sure EU lets in more migrants right? That is total nonsense. Why would you attack the place you are clearly slowly taking over via slow migration? This would only make migrants look bad to the EU.

The terrorists would do this to make the EU and migrants MORE CONFILCTED?

Why would terrorists do this, it makes no sense to me. They have nothing to gain and everyhting to lose.

Because their goal isn't a slow takeover by migration. The migrants are actually fleeing from a warzone, they aren't some invasion wave seeking to Islamize Europe, they're actual refugees. The goal of ISIS is to get the rest of the world to close their borders to the refugees.

If the refugees have no other option than to stay in the warzone, ISIS benefits in two ways. 1. It lets them continue to make life a living hell for the Muslims who won't join them, increasing the pressure on these Muslims to join up and 2. it allows them to generate their own narrative where the Western World have turned their back on the plight of the Middle East, that Westerners are afraid of and hateful towards Muslims, and that it really comes down to us vs. them. The Islamic State vs. the Western World. The goal of ISIS is to create a caliphate to wage a holy war with the Western World, this is basically in their mission statement. In order to make that happen, they need to build an army large enough and strong enough to put up a fight, and they need to whip anti-Islamic sentiment in the West into such a frenzy that they can convincingly say that there is a war between the two.

You're stuck in your own perception of what is going on, and its blinding you to other possibilities. From your perspective, they have nothing to gain and everything to lose. From my perspective, its the opposite. One does not necessarily invalidate the other.

there are more ways to destabilize a region.

Can we discuss this woman's clothing?? What's going on there. Almost looks like she's wearing a tie but no shirt. Was her shirt completely vaporized from the blast? If so why is her stomach completely unaffected? It looks like her jacket is also completely incinerated up to her underarms on the left side but the sleeve is fine and her hand completely clean. Just someone... Help me... My brain can't accept this picture.

Mods please fucking sticky this. The most important thread in months is downvoted like shit.

I don't think it looks real. I don't assume it's real as a default. Possibly they used real bombs. Too early and not enough information for me to make an assessment.

They were expendable costs to further the agendas

He is Belgian that's enough lol.

That guy walking by with a briefcase. Either high as fuck or shocked as hell.

They probably don't get paid enough to watch the videos too.

Here's your dead bodies....

not saying for sure real just yet, but looks much more realistic than the previous last few.