someone from brussels replied to my comment on another site and said there are all sorts of discrepancies all over the news...she is sending me a private email and i will share the information as soon as i hear from her.

np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/4brxp3/brussels_resident_sent_me_this_information_after/

Thanks for that, axolotl_peyotl is a top poster, whereas this thread is started by one of the 9/11 Official Story posters who frequents this board, that makes me feel a bit uneasy

parasitic

you're certainly a faither if you support the official 9/11 narrative.

you come off as biased, not like a skeptic at all. you appear to accept and support official narratives based on faith in authority.

that you use the term 'truther' is more of a giveaway.

finally, I'd love to hear your skeptical interpretation of the meteorite, eutectic steel and molten steel that flowed 'like you were in a foundry' 'like lava, a volcano' according to first responders.

this entire sticky post is a derailment. the color chart of metals?

this is UNDER the rubble. fires burned for months. are you saying these guys saw molten aluminum.. they say steel. specifically steel, like you were in a foundry.

and you didn't even mention how eutectic steel is formed . how do you think the meteorite was formed?

Your post is not an analysis -- just a rehash of mainstream news reporting. Here is what a real analysis looks like.

Here is what a real analysis looks like.

Good post.

Yes I read it. I don't consider that analysis. Or at least not a critical analysis. You're taking everything they're reporting at face value and going from there. And the conclusions you reach on that basis are faulty. You talk about the two-bomb strategy to attract rescue workers. But in that case the bombs go off minutes apart; here it was reportedly 10 seconds apart.

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the exhaustive reporting you pulled together and linked for us. But as for your analysis? I found it lacking in the extreme.

why do you think this crap gets stickied on this sub now? what happened here?

I'm sure it's just a coincidence that today is 3/22, the same numbers on the Skull & Bones logo, and that the bomb went off at 9:11 AM local time.

You spelled the date wrong it's 22/3 in Europe.

And India.

And Australia.

And Canada.

Well then...yeah, I'm sure it's just coincidence. wink

And it was on the same day as the EU were scheduled to discuss re-launching the Palestinian peace process

European Parliament Committee Meetings

European Parliament, Brussels

"Palestine: Palestine's Foreign Affairs Minister Riad Al-Malki will join Foreign Affairs Committee Members to debate the political situation there, including the inter-Palestinian reconciliation talks, the economic and humanitarian situation in occupied Palestinian territories, initiatives for re-launching Middle East peace process, and the regional situation."

Interestingly they were also discussing renewal of the approval of glyphosate, perhaps someone who knew the plans wanted this kept out of the news, overshadowed by the bombing

Objection pursuant to Rule 106: renewal of the approval of the active substance glyphosate - Adoption of motion for a resolution

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/news-room/agenda/2016-W12-By-Day#parliamentarycommittees-22-03-2016

By setting off bombs outside they want to warn the MEPs not to mess with the shadow government, not to dare vote against the agenda of the Elite

Something important happens every single day. There will always be a chance to see a connection if that is what you at looking for.

Ok

Also not long after 2 senators and other officials had passed through the airport too apparenty.

just more coincidences?

Why would someone purposefully do this as a calling card? Defeats the purpose of not being found out, rather than leaving clues for people.

The point of these attacks is that you want people to know that you did them without having solid proof that you did.

It's more that the point of these "attacks" is to use them to scare the population, then enact more laws used to control that population on the name of security.

right. fucking disgusting. OP did good analysis.

You're right. I wasn't being specific enough. Should have said the point of the signature/clue is that certain people will know who did it.

So students of Yale are the terrorists? Jesus Christ....

"...students of Yale are the terrorists"

This sounds funny because it's both an oversimplification and overgeneralization.

It's not all the students at Yale, nor is it only the students at Yale. It's some people from an elite and historically significant university who joined an elite, secretive society within that university. They are possibly part of a larger group that does nefarious things behind the scenes.

They're also not, allegedly, the terrorists themselves. Certain members of the secret society, in theory, would be running operations that employ terrorist type people.

Explain further if you don't mind.

Can't tell if you're serious. But I can if you want to...?

Just like how Snowden is most likely still working for the CIA. People are now careful about what they say on-line because of fear, unlike places like China where things are explicitly censored.

It does seem a little strange that Snowden is n the media so much without having been "taken out". TPTB seem to have such a lock on the dialogue in Western media that you have to wonder why they would let such bad press out.

I always say one "good" thing about China vs the US is that in China at least they tell you that they're watching you.

Well, because every time they do, someone like you comes along and says that exact same thing.

Paris attacks took place on a funny date too.

Do you mean Friday the 13th or did i miss something?

A funny date would be 1st of April

S'justaprankbro

I haven't thought about it enough to tell you why they'd do it in this manner, but supposedly putting sort of subconscious clues is a fairly regular 'TPTB' strategy.

It can get really deep into occult stuff and the nature of reality or whatever, but basically if you put the idea that something will happen into the collective consciousness, that will actually cause the event (or whatever) to manifest itself in reality. Law of Attraction I think they call it.

Have you watched 'The Secret'? Pretty good intro to this thought process IMO, even if you think its nonsense. You still have to actively work towards your goals, but the act of visualizing it facilitates its appearance in reality or somesuch.

What I'm getting at is that its not so much of a calling card, as it is a 'coincidental' result of these peoples work. They work hard and put a lot of mental energy into something, and it synchronizes itself with other things that they put a lot of mental energy into (like the number 322). Maybe they didn't plan the bomb to explode at 9:11, but the fact that 9/11 has become such a significant event worldwide has left a huge impression in the collective unconscious (if you go for that) that it causes events like this to synchronize 'coincidentally'.

This poster has a point. Truly fascinating work on this out of a Princeton lab where collective thought causes random number generators to no longer be random.

http://noosphere.princeton.edu/

List of events: http://noosphere.princeton.edu/results.html ...the biggest spike was 9/11 where the whole world was all thinking the same thing (sorrow etc. about the event); not saying this has to do with the cause of it. Rather, gives credibility to the poster above stating that people spending energy on this could cause something to happen.

That's actually a really interesting theory. I never thought that it could be a synchronization caused by their collective unconscious. We need more outside the box thinking in this sub.

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Pretty good intro to this thought process IMO, even if you think its nonsense.

Recommending a movie about a particular philosophy as an introduction to that philosophy makes me not worthy of being taken seriously?

If I recommended you a movie about fascism to teach you about fascism, would you stop taking me seriously because you don't support fascism?

Most people aren't interested in jumping straight into deep state illuminati lizard people theories. You gotta give them small bites and let it digest. The Secret is very digestible for normal people and can be very informative for that particular thought process.

Where do I go to see the lizard people documentaries? I'm.. Uh.. Asking for a friend.

Because they know you're not going to do shit about it so why not rub the numbers in your face.

They "warn" us because they need consent. Even if it's implicit and indirect. For them, these happenings are rituals based on free will and chaos magick. To make a ritual even more powerful, you need more buy in. This is magick 101 right here. By manipulating our free will, not only is their ritual more powerful, but it also gives them plausible deniability.

Because they know we're to passive to do anything about it.

That's a point, people keep saying "the straw will break the camels back" in regards to refugees and Muslims literally destroying Europe. All our govts say is "this is not Islam" "you ain't no Muslim bruv" those are just quotes from British PM David Cameron. Then society responds with "yeah ok,I'm not going to research anything myself along as the PM who I did not/would never vote for said its not who I think it is, I'll just plod along until the next one. Then see what he says then"

European society is weak as fuck.

Just wait till a 'terrorist' fucks with a soccer game.

After the citizens have burned everything down , they'll go looking for answers. And beer.

Just wait till a 'terrorist' fucks with a soccer game.

As long as the terrorist incident takes place after the game, and is a result of the terrorists being supporters of the team that lost the match, people probably won't mind so much. I had been under the impression that an after-game riot was more or less considered traditional for a soccer match anyway. You riot if your team lost, and the other supporters riot if theirs did.

Football fans are just tribalists at best, as long as they see a large group with their flags and colours they will play along. You're right about the reaction of a hypothetical attack at a football stadium. They will get mad, torch the first cars they see, throw things then go home, wake up and not care.

Also if football hooligans are europes last line of defence, we are well and truly fucked as a society.

It's a signature, they are putting their signature on events which are being used to shape society so as they can take the credit for the outcome

Why did pirates fly the skull and bones on their ships? To induce fear I suppose.

to make target ships surrender without fighting, hand over the cargo and no bloodshed.

Cue the numerology nonsense.

The Elite clearly care about it, for whatever reason

Occult Message in Speech by Christine Lagarde head of IMF in 2014

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYmViPTndxw

The numbers and symbology are all part of the ritual. 9/11 was loaded with it.

Its a tricky situation though. Obviously, I think anyone who thinks that numbers have any sort of real cosmic significance are not using their brains...

...but some very powerful people throughout history have believed in numerology, so its not insane to question these things. I've seen so many coincidental number things to think that there isn't anything behind it.

But then theres incidents that don't seem to have any numerological significance to anyone and you wonder if its all bogus after all...

numbers have any sort of real cosmic significance are not using their brains...

so Plato, Pythagorus.... morons!

It's possible for smart people to believe in dumb things...

No, they just didn't have access to as much information as us.

I think anyone who thinks that numbers have any sort of real cosmic significance are not using their brains...

I get what you mean, but think. A table with three legs can't wobble.

this guy predicited it https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/4awbxk/whats_happening_on_march_22/

Do you think that there is a possibility that the numeration connection was put there on purpose to discredit anyone who presents that information as proof that it was the skull and bones.

There are 3 terror suspects caught on CCTV. Who is this man in a disguise? http://i.imgur.com/eiqSpSp.jpg

Maybe it is Tamerlan Tsarnaev since the one on the left is quite definitely Dzhokhar...

(I kid, I kid...kinda)

Two guys wearing one glove, and the guy who got away is not wearing any glove

What's that mean

Gloves were most likely hiding hand held detonators. The two with the gloves blew themselves up and the guy without is still on on the run.

Why is he in a disguise? What was his purpose?

A good guess would be that he wants to get away and that is easer if there is not a good picture of your face everywhere, so a disguise is a logical idea.

What's that mean

The 2 guys on the left look a lot like the tsarnaev brothers. Anyone else see the resemblance?

Oh wow. They sort of do at least as far as build and hair goes. T blurry to really tell their faces.

I can't tell if this comment is serious or not, can anyone clarify for me?

weird.

• live Drill(check)
• "Witnesses" and "helpers"wearing matching crisis director lanyards (check)
• Freemason occult date 322(check)
• Fake movie scene injures, fake blood(check)
• ISIS ( check)

Hmmm...looks like all the hoax boxes are checked.

Out of curiosity, what would it take to convince you that a bombing like this was real? You make claims of fake this and fake that, but you have no proof besides your own paranoia...

yeah, well this picture says otherwise.....

Anyone who down votes this is a shill. Fuck reddit conspiracy full of disinformation and shills. This tread was most certainly created by a shill. It's so sad. Remember Arron Swartz

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These kind of coincidents always make me wonder...

Just curious, what would be the speculative possible/plausible reasons for the involvement of the Skull & Bones in this attack? Anybody have any thoughts on this?

I don't think correlation equals causation here. People will quickly denounce any "numerology" on these events, but it is simply important to remember that every day and each number has a particular significance to any one person.

Yes, 322 is a significant number to Skull & Bones, and yes 9:11 is a significant time/date - but these are not outside the realm of possible coincidence or mere infatuation.

Could there be inspiration behind these correlations? Of course, and my first speculation would be the members of S&B at the higher levels of defense and military industry across the world; this would undeniably be an important date to members. But anybody who would take two matching numbers, by themselves, as definitive proof of conspiracy are making a lofty assumption.

Pick a number between one and ten. Chances are, you'll pick 7.

Numerology and ritual magic are very real- even though they sound crazy.

Watch the video from the managing director of the IMF, where she compresses everything into the MAGIC NUMBER 7:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYmViPTndxw

also note that 3/22 (3+2+2) compresses to 7, as does the year: (16= 1+6->7). Today is the 81st day of the year (8-1=7) The 25th is GOOD friday (2+5=7, 3[2+5]->777)- the day jesus was crucified on Calvary/ Golgotha (known in almost all religious texts other than the King James as THE SKULL). 777 in christianity represents the triune god- the antithesis of 666. This good friday is a significant date. I suspect there will be a raid on the 25th resulting in the capture/ death of the remaining terror suspect(s) (Either that or late next thursday 3/31).

You can make anything look like a pattern- sure. But as humans we are prone to recognizing patterns. 7 and 3 are lucky primes. You can call it apophenia, but psychology and magic recognize that people can be manipulated with patterns. Perhaps it's not just a mechanism our brains have divised to make sense of information- perhaps the universe is mathematical in a way science can't yet measure. The occult attempts to recreate natural patterns to manage the inherent chaos.

There being numerological significance in a date doesn't mean that it's a manipulated event, but it IS a ritualistic event whether or not it's manipulated.

So would this mean that praying (basically focusing/concentrating on something) actually causes physical manifestations?

I don't know about any of that. Praying (focusing/concentrating) creates/ reenforces will, which propagates action, which causes physical manifestations.

Symbols represents ideas which people have willed to manifest. You might not consciously know what a symbol means, but it's association has still been imprinted on you.

Salah Abdeslam got arrested mere days ago, and from the look of it he was cooperating with the police.

My bet is on a rushed operation from the remaining terrorists for what could have been a way bigger attack, before the police could make another move on them.

Some of the perpetrators will probably be found in hiding, some of them will be caught at the border leaving europe, and some will successfully escape back to Syria.

Go on and call me a shill or whatever because i don't buy into the numerology/inside job/fake attack bullshit.

so with mass surveillance and having the leader in custody, they still couldnt stop it. hmmm maybe time to stop bs'ing us about how surveillance and airport security is there to stop terrorism

Have you ever been inside an airport before? The bomb went off near check in, there's no security at check in. And how exactly does the leader being caught stop them from carrying out the plan? All they did was detonate suicide vests, its not some genius plan that required a mastermind.....

The leader was said to be cooperating

Everything you said just made the same point I was making. That mass surveillance isn't about our safety

Mass surveillance was instated in France, not Belgium which is commendable as emergency state is bullshit.

Beside, he was not "the leader" he's the alleged driver of the Paris attacks, probably ranking higher than the other douches, from what he confessed yet, he chickened and fled instead of blowing himself up at the stadium.

He most certainly knew many people involved in the attacks, but was not necessarily a part of it, given his high profile.

I agree with this, I was thinking the same thing. They had to do this now or never after his arrest.

You ain't no shill if you in the side of freedom and peace !

Well, i got called shill for basically anything here, space, vaccines, as long as i happen to believe some part of the official narrative, someone somewhere will suggest i'm taking bribes for internet posts, which would be so cool honestly...
(if the NASA's reading i'm all up for it, start sending checks)

More on topic, the belgian investigator have unsurprisingly started reporting ties between Abdeslam and the airport/subway attack's suspects.

I don't know what transpired abroad but the "belgian lead" and especially Molenbeek has been a hot topic for month, being one of the places where terrorists gather from and to Syria and planned attacks in France.
I'm guessing there will be more arrest to come soon, as the family of the killers might be linked to al of this etc...

It would be so cool to lie on the Internet for money? This is why the Internet is becoming a cesspool of lies and disinformation, because people like you have no conscious and will gladly throw humanity under the bus for a buck. Cool.

It would actually be tedious and boring i guess, and poorly paid at that, but i thought the sarcasm was obvious enough.

I love your analysis(no /s) I These things always have the worst effect of civil liberties

Yeah police used the state of emergency in France as a pretext to solve all their criminal cases, search without warrants, arbitrary arrests, surveillance...
Not much to show for it on the terrorist front, but there wasn't a pot dealer in Paris who didn't get his door broken...Along with a bunch of perfectly innocent guys with arabic names who also got their appartments trashed for no reason.

Wow I am sick of government

Well, this one started right on many fronts, it was a relief after Sarkozy, but now it's a permanent letdown...

I agree on the surface. Though, the root cause is still Western foreign policy over the past half century. You create terrorists, they terrorize.

They do indeed.
And then you get elected thanks to them with stupid speeches about freedom security and how everything arabic sucks instead of some semblance of economy.

Still a win in the long run.

Yeah, that is what I thought, since the attacks coincide with the arresting of Salah Abdeslam. But it is interesting that you mention the fact that he is cooperating with Police, did this anger the renaming terrorists?

He could also not be saying a word, and they are just bs-ing it to see if they can scare some people or flush them out.

Which this may have made them move up their planned date thinking they were compromised. Plus they may have wanted to wait until a week day yo ensure massive amounts of people are on the subway going to work.

Also if they did catch him and he was cooperating why did they not find anything/anyone yet. Did he just decide to work with them this morning?

Not necessarily, but it might have forced their hands, as the names he could give would mean impendings arrests and significant progress on the belgian front of the investigation.

This is the correct answer. Their cover was blown or going to be blown soon. They rushed into the operation to get it done before they got taken down when Abdeslam talked.

Seems to be confirmed by Ibrahim El Bakraoui's testimony found after the attacks.
He claimed he was getting "surrounded" and that he'd soon be next to "him" in jail if he didn't act now.

On CNN they are trying to reassociate the Paris attacks with encrypted communication, and then link that to the Brussels attacks. Remember, the Paris attackers communicated via unencrypted SMS.

They coming for our encryption. Again.

Today the french minister of the interior said terrorists use the darknet. It's weird to hear a minister mention it

I think he's grasping at straws. There's nothing coming out of Belgium that even points to that being a fact.

Yeah but politicians rarely let minor things like facts or the truth stop them from pushing their own agendas

That's Secretary Not Sure...

The whole purpose of letting "refugees" into Europe is to cause chaos and fear. The governments will leverage that into cutting down on privacy.

Some witnesses reported hearing gunfire

Setting off a false flag by the EU buildings is useful for influencing politics, let's see what they were due to discuss today, ahh yes, the Palestinian peace process

European Parliament Committee Meetings

European Parliament, Brussels

"Palestine: Palestine's Foreign Affairs Minister Riad Al-Malki will join Foreign Affairs Committee Members to debate the political situation there, including the inter-Palestinian reconciliation talks, the economic and humanitarian situation in occupied Palestinian territories, initiatives for re-launching Middle East peace process, and the regional situation."

Possible, but it may not be a false flag. I don't think we should jump to conclusions one way or the other until we have more information, which was partly the idea behind me doing this fact post.

First, excellent fact post. Kudos.

Second, you are correct, we shouldn't jump to conclusions - but there IS a question that can and SHOULD be asked by everyone:

WHO STANDS TO BENEFIT, and how?

Obviously, most people will immediately assume that the attacks were coordinated by ISIS or other Jihadist Muslim groups - but to what end? What are they hoping to achieve by doing this?

Like 9-11 and the Paris attacks, the reaction and response from Europe and "The West" - emotional, political, social and military - is fairly predictable - RAIN HELL ON ISIS and Evil Mooselimbs!!!

I'm sure that Muslims worldwide are jumping for joy at the prospect. /s

Of course people will say that "Muslims are stupid and irrational, and don't think things through", but really?

So, are there other parties/political entities that might gain political or other advantages thanks to the VERY predictable reaction and response to these attacks? There have been in the past.

Cui Bono?

Agreed, and thank you for your time on this post. I think that /u/lucycohen's post is less of an indictment of false flag and more of a possible insight into motive.

Those facts, the Parliament meeting and significance of the day, could have meaning to somebody with means to coordinate - doesn't necessarily mean false flag - lest we forget that terrorism's number one goal is often political momentum (and fear).

The sad truth, in response to your comment, is that while more facts and more information are needed to truly dissect this event -- the longer we wait, the more "sludge" clogs up the information pipeline, and often times pertinent facts are lost and buried beneath speculation and narrative.

True and I appreciate the fact post. The thing that bothers me about this, France, 911, etc is that in these sophisticated attacks, there's only one attack.

The point of terrorism, and we see this in the void left in Iraq or the war the US/EU started in Syria by arming/training ISIL/ISIS, is that you keep going. Attack after attack after attack. But we don't see that. Here they conveniently find these other explosives.

I feel like the powers that be might justify these types of events as killing a small amount of people to bring about a better whole. A group wanting to make a meaningful impact via an attack like this, would want to keep going and going, until they run out of people or the security situation changes to prevent future attacks.

You are the sanity this sub needs. We have enough real conspiracy to consider to not make shit up.

Yet with all the evidence which came out about 9/11, he still believes it was planes which brought the towers down

The style and the timing makes it appear as another false flag, but there's always that 1 in 1000 chance of an exception

Can you honestly say that you are 99.9% sure that this is a false flag based purely on the "style" and the timing?

Surely not....

Let's go for 95% sure

Can we get you even lower?

:-)

As opposed to a hoax, like Paris or Boston?

...or make it easier to point the finger by following the bomb components back through the chain.

a leader in the Paris attack has been captured and was co-operating with authorities.

according to authorities, who we totally trust. LOL.

Or... That was put out in the public so this would happen. Which is possible. If they panic and attack early and without coordination less lives are lost. I don't know. All I know is it's fucked in any truth.

Why would they all of a sudden start telling the truth? It's a half truth at best. They routinely set up the dumbest people for these jobs.

I said I don't know. As I have no idea what's actually going on.

Seriously? Anyone who thinks those were hoaxes is an absolute moron total genius.

___

^{Edited after being convinced otherwise.}

So you are defending the official narrative on a conspiracy sub while insulting everyone. Good for you.

Just another day

Yeah, I think you're right after all. Thanks for showing me the light, you cwitical finker!

Thanks for showing everyone here what real discussion looks like.

Setting off a false flag by the EU buildings is useful for influencing politics, let's see what they were due to discuss today, ahh yes, the Palestinian peace process

Well, a nice bombing should remind those anti-Semites at the EU of how much the poor Israelis suffer, and that like all Muslims, those sneaky hateful Palestinians can NOT be trusted.

Motives.

Precisely what I was thinking

Nicely done. I'm very surprised to see how once again you uncovered the Jews behind the event. Incidentally, has anything bad ever happened that wasn't done by the Jews?

Nicely done. I'm very surprised to see how once again you uncovered the Jews behind the event.

"The Jews"?

Incidentally, has anything bad ever happened that wasn't done by the Jews?

Which Jews?

Oh my, aren't we being a teeny bit disingenuous here? I mean you worked so hard to fight for your right to blame things of The Jews, which apparently you do daily.

Oh my, aren't we being a teeny bit disingenuous here?

We? One of us is, but it isn't me.

I mean you worked so hard to fight for your right to blame things of The Jews, which apparently you do daily.

Da Joose?

One of us is trying to imply that anything said/done by one or a few should be applied to an entire group...

But it isn't me.

Good luck with that hangover.

So what was that about when you were meticulously claiming the The Jews are a group, and they work collectively against other groups, and therefore we can hate them?

Also you're welcome to finish your argument from above. Who stands to gain from the Brussels bombing?

Thanks for your concern.

So what was that about when you were meticulously claiming the The Jews are a group,

Are you asserting that Jews do not see themselves as a group?

and they work collectively against other groups

Are you asserting that Jews, as a group, do not work cooperatively to further their perceived group interests in competition with other groups?

and therefore we can hate them

Did I tell you that it was okay to lie? Because I don't remember telling you that it was okay to lie, /u/unruly_mattress, and frankly, I think your lying in DEAD THREADS where there are no uninformed, gullible lurkers for you to deceive is really bad judgement on your part.

There is no one here - just you and I, u/unruly_mattress, and we BOTH know that you are lying. WTF IS THE POINT?

Is it that you are incapable of not lying? Maybe you suffer from some strange compulsive, pathological condition? Anyway, you should try to resist the urge - or at least SAVE your lies for threads where others that you may be able to deceive are reading.

Friendly advice. :-)

Also you're welcome to finish your argument from above. Who stands to gain from the Brussels bombing?

Israel and her Diaspora minions.

Much evidence supporting this, but I will not go into details here, for as I said, you and I are the only ones reading this, and I'm not going to waste good info on the disingenuous.

Happy Purim!

Cut the crap. I'm not lying and I'm not a propaganda machine. If you want to correct me feel free to do so.

and therefore we can hate them

I never said any such thing. You lied, and you know it.

If you can't defend your position without resorting to lying, maybe you should reconsider whether the position is worthy of defending?

So what was your point, that you can blame like 90% of the world's problems on the Jews, but not hate them? In all honesty I don't see much difference. Whatever, I don't care how you call it.

Israel and her Diaspora minions.

AKA the Jews

Much evidence supporting this, but I will not go into details here

I can't wait to see it. Is it as weak as the Israel is ISIS theory?

Israel and her Diaspora minions.

AKA the Jews

You seem to be stuck in an infinite loop with your simplistic terminology, so I'll leave you to it.

Have a look at this image, and tell me what you think of it.

http://i.imgur.com/dXNTjeI.png

Thanx

simplistic terminology

Yeah

tell me what you think of it

It's 9 data points which I assumed were taken from the ADL website last year. What do you think about it?

Every time there is a "terror attack" on "Western" interests (whether actually or allegedly) perpetrated by "Islamic Extremists", it effectively serves the interests of Israel and her Zionist supporters / cheerleaders abroad by creating outrage against Muslims, and by creating a sense of solidarity / sympathy for the Israelis, who are portrayed as "suffering" under a constant barrage of "Islamic terrorism".

That little snippet is just the tip of the iceberg.

• It might be that humans have a natural, usually constant level of hate they need to maintain. In that model, more hate against Muslims would mean less Jew hatred. What of it? Even if you showed correlation, which you haven't, it would not imply that one is caused by the other.

• The political parties that rise because of Muslim hatred in Europe are mostly nationalists. This has never been good for the Jews. Perhaps now the nationalists are busy hating Muslims; I think it's likely that it's only a matter of time before they remember that Jews are hate-worthy. If indeed the Elders of Zion planned to destabilize the West to reduce antisemitism, then they are very very stupid, because this is a very stupid, dangerous and ineffective plan that would likely backfire, had it existed.

I'd like to hear more about the logistics of this. How does it work? Do Belgium and France not notice that the people attacking them are Mossad agents? No one notices except for people who look for minor differences in different news reports and invariably decide it's the Global Zionist Cabal's fault? Or maybe Belgium does know it's attacked by the Jews but can't do anything about it? Do tell.

As the saying goes, "Patience is a virtue". This is not a one-line sound bite issue, so it may be challenging to the ADD impaired.

In the meantime, why don't you consult your betters and see whether, WORKING TOGETHER, you can formulate an argument that might tend to support the THEORY that Mooselimbs PLANNED and pulled off these hits - enumerating the "benefits" that they may have EXPECTED to enjoy as a fruit of their (suicidal) efforts.

That'll save you time down the line.

That's the thing right there. I don't think there's a thing as The Muslims that attempt to work for the Greater Good of the Global Muslim Conspiracy, because I recognize that people are individuals who form complex relationships with each other and work each on their own motives. I don't try to divide the world into The Jews, The Muslims, The Satanic Elite etc the way other people do. This lets me, in my humble opinion, hold a less coarse, more fine-grained model of the world in my head. I don't need to decide whether it's The Jews or The Muslims. I don't need a group of a dozen Muslim terrorists to work for the greater good of The Muslims. It might be that several Muslims hold different views about what constitutes a benefit and what doesn't.

What drives terrorism - that's a difficult question to answer. I can't give you an answer right now. An answer to that question will be complex. There is obviously more than one type of terrorism, and likely more than one type of terrorist, and quite possibly more than one type of Islamic terrorist, working for possibly different agenda. I'm sure books have been written on the subject; Google shows up several interviews with current and ex- Muslim terrorists. If I had unlimited time, I'd listen to them and try to form an opinion as to what they think they'd be getting out of their actions.

Of course, they might not be getting what they think they'd be getting. I think people pretty often act irrationally. I'm sure you'd agree here. If they think they're in for 72 virgins and furthering the coming of the Mahdi, then of course I personally disagree but it might still be what they're working towards. And I don't need The Muslims need to agree with them about that; it doesn't require many people to perform terror attacks.

tl;dr? I don't have an answer. But to show that Islamic Terrorism doesn't exist you'd have to show that no Muslims think terrorism is a good idea. Is that your line of attack?

I think that these attacks will systematically hit every western country and in every country in turn will pass "anti-terrorism" laws that will put more and more power into the hands of fewer and fewer people, and justify the militarization of the govt and police, and limit personal freedoms more and more.

The goal is an incremental and methodical encroachment on personal freedoms.

It happened in Brussels because that is where they arrested the Paris shooter last week. Then they told the media he was talking. Which I believe caused his buddies to panic and do the operation early, but hey if you want to believe it's a false flag.

but hey if you want to believe it's a false flag.

Why are you insinuating that you have a clear cut case when you merely have a disjointed story?

Shills are all over this subreddit.

How am I being a shill? I gave you my theory and told you to believe whatever you want.

You insinuated that he believed it was a "false flag", he made no such reference.

Worse is that people equate "false flag" with "fake."

False flag means the PURPOSE was fake. Not the EVENT.

Plus Brussels has had a lot of trouble with radicalism - it's become a sort of hub for this ideology. More so than any other Western European city.

Brussels is the 'capital' of the EU, the EU parliament is there and any EU policy is said to be from Brussels. Seems like the logical place for them to do it. Fucking scumbags.

At the same time, the explosion in the metro station went off Maalbeek, the station just before Schuman; where probably 90% of the people working at the parliament or the commission go off. They didn't have the guts to attack the parliament itself. It's disgusting.

Source: I live in Brussels

Brussels is the 'capital' of the EU, the EU parliament is there and any EU policy is said to be from Brussels. Seems like the logical place for them to do it. Fucking scumbags.

The logical place for who to do it?

I have no doubt that the suicide bombers were Jihadist morons (who else would put on a suicide vest?), but those that planned and coordinated the attacks were not necessarily Jihadists - though I'm sure that the suicide bombers thought they were.

The reaction to these kinds of attacks is VERY predictable. What do those that planned the attacks hope to gain politically?

UK not leaving the protection racket of the EU for one. Good for solidarity and all that uniting against a common enemy.

ISIS doesn't want the UK to leave the EU?

who is holding the puppet strings of ISIS?

Good question. Let's study it out.

Where was ISIS spawned?

Whose actions created the power vacuum that allowed it to form?

Whose interests were served by those actions?

Who is effectively benefiting from the actions of ISIS, and the chaos that it creates?

Cui bono?

ISIS spawned by US in Iraq to counterbalance Shia as an 'exit strategy'

Saudi Arabia interests along with Turkey benefit, also Qatar and Yemen indirectly. The French want their Templar castles back from Assad, and the evangelists want their end time destruction of Damascus so they can have their messiah back.

Did you forget someone?

If you're going to play stupid, a fresh username might help.

how does it benefit israel?

Yeah that's a good question. Please enumerate the ways the creation of ISIS, the Iraq war and the Afghanistan war have benefited Israel.

Of course the bombers are brainwashed idiots but they would have been instructed by someone who has a modicum of intelligence. What do they gain politically? That depends on who was instructing them. If it was ISIS then I cannot see them gaining anything aside from spreading fear and chaos.

If it was ISIS then I cannot see them gaining anything aside from spreading fear and chaos.

Agreed, that's why I'm having trouble envisioning ISIS (or any similar Muslim group) as the "planning party" here, as the predictable reactions will all be negative for Muslims in general and Jihadists in particular.

Maybe they hate good beer and chocolates.

Brussels is the headquarters of the European Union.

Just a side note, why Belgium of all places?

It does happen to be the capital of the European Union...rather large target.

"The Maalbeek station is also near a number of important EU buildings such as Berlaymont building, which houses the EU Commission and the Council of the European Union." https://www.rt.com/news/336536-brussels-metro-bombing-maalbek/

Belgium has a fairly significant black market for arms from what I've read and fairly free access to Western/Northern Europe. The cell could have been based there and been planning either this attack as a shot at the EU.

Also possible it was a rushed job. One of the ringleaders behind the Paris attack was arrested in the past week and was said to be cooperating. With what sounds like a number of failed devices they could have moved up a planned attack to get it off before authorities could get enough information to bust their cell.

This is seen as a direct hit to the heart of Europe, as Brussels is the capitol of the EU

why Belgium of all places

The headquarters of NATO is in Brussells.

wasn't targeted, neither was EU parliament. the public was the target here, and manufacturing consent is the outcome.

My first thought was that the alleged mastermind of the Paris attacks was arrested in Belgium last week. Fuel for the fire already burning.

And the streets of Mollenbeek celebrated the attacks.

Surveillance photo shows 3 terror suspects in Brussels. 2 died in the bombing, the man in the disguise is still on the run.

http://i.imgur.com/eiqSpSp.jpg

Could this be a confidential informant or handler? This type of footage is usually concealed. (7/7, Boston, San Bernardino)

It's the place to be if you want pan-european knee-jerk legislation to clamp down on human rights

Because Belgium has a large population of radical Muslims. Source: Google "Molenbeek".

The guy who fled the last attacks in paris was there. He found enough people to help with another attack.

Plus not like he can just go driving around from country to country without a passport or showing his face. Unless of course he had lots of people helping him and had ways to travel that were not out in the open.

All you people do on /r/conspiracy is take any attack, whatever attack it is, doesn't matter, and you sit there and you pick apart the story before ANYONE has all the answers and call it a hoax. You think that because a reporter got a piece of information wrong, it means that someone is hiding something and its a hoax. Give me a break, if you have ACTUAL evidence behind why you think something is a conspiracy by all means, post it and I'll probably agree with you if its convincing enough. But its VERY sad at this point that people like that "daddie_o" person are taken seriously with such weak ass "evidence" and tries to pass it off like its irrefutable.

We need something like this stickied to track how the story/ facts/ narrative changes over the next week as the manhunt plays out.

Agreed.

There are 3 terror suspects caught on CCTV. Who is this man in a disguise? http://i.imgur.com/eiqSpSp.jpg

The 2 other men died. He's still alive and on the loose.

pretty sure the guy on the left is dzhokar tsarniev

Thanks for this useful and level-headed summary and analysis

There is no such thing as coincidence when it comes to malevolent things like this, its all planed by secret societies to push their agenda and it will only get worse it seems... if clues in movies, tv show, ads or anywhere to be honest that are hidden in the plain sight are to be take serious then in April there might be another plan in motion, i bet it will have something to do with Syria peace talks or economy.

The World is going down hill fast but we must find REAL solution for REAL problem and not fall for these indoctrinating, fear driven, divide and conquer tactics ! I mean we all live on this beautiful planet, why waste it and our time on it with such petty things when we can aim for a much, MUCH more Magnificent Objectives. Some say nothing will change and nobody will do anything to make this World a better place, not until it directly affects them or some MAJOR event happens... i think its much simpler then that, all it will take is for an individual to realize and come to an understanding that this is not the World they want to live in but to create a better future for them selves and their children, deep down "almost" (some are just hardwired for evil i guess but it goes both ways, balance is everything) every single person on this planet knows what the Right thing is... the problem here is majority simply makes a choice not to or they are simply being manipulated.

Nobody can really say what tomorrow brings with certainty, all of this can change over night for better or worse, those that have real power "the People" can make this all go away if only they would do one simple thing... do good, be good and the World will follow.

Love, balance, knowledge and understanding to all.

you sir, are absolutely correct

when i first heared about my thought was this was never Islam-Groups. Seriously - ISIS has absolut no reason to attack EU and has absolut NOTHING to win with terror attacks in EU.

This did someone who wanna destabilize EU ... and this are other groups which work on this now for longer. When wanna know who did this than find out who has the most to win with a divided EU ...

This makes me think that radical muslims were not behind the attacks.

Just a llittle note: http://www.eubusiness.com/events/EUcalendar

March 22

``` Country of origin labelling for certain foods: Environment and Public Health Committee Members are likely to reiterate their demand for binding EU rules on country of origin labelling of meat, processed meat, and milk. A 2013 Eurobarometer survey showed that consumers favour such labelling of milk and meat.

Palestine: Palestine's Foreign Affairs Minister Riad Al-Malki will join Foreign Affairs Committee Members to debate the political situation there, including the inter-Palestinian reconciliation talks, the economic and humanitarian situation in occupied Palestinian territories, initiatives for re-launching Middle East peace process, and the regional situation. ```

An interesting correlation.. BDS labelling of goods followed directly by a debate on the topic of palestine..... hmmmmmm

Hello, my first Reddit post ever, literally made this account so I could post!

Now before I go for the conspiracy side; I'm gonna take it at face value.

We (The west and the US) have been bombing the middle east for the best part of twenty years.

Look at how people have reacted to the terrorist attacks in Paris, false flag or not, riled up people's reactions against Islam and Muslim people. Now, we could see why groups of people Mujahadeen, Al-kahida, IS/ISIS/ISIL, whatever they call themselves now; would bother to attack the West, they may be run by different people, they may be funded in different ways. We're bombing the shit out of their homes, and their lives, their shops and streets and schools and hospitals.

So. Actually. ALTHOUGH I DON'T CONDONE OR ADVOCATE VIOLENCE I completely understand why they'd want to be RETALIATING attacking Europe / UK / US / Russia.

The question I'd be asking has been asked already in this thread. - With all the mass surveillance, data trawling, encryption breaking, captured leaders.

How did security services not catch this? Maybe the government and security services did. They just chose to do nothing about it. Maybe the terrorist cell; when they realised that their leader was caught and talking; moved up the timetable to get ahead of the security services. Another person on the thread had also commented a number of american politicians had passed through the airport that morning; perhaps the terrorists were just hoping to get lucky?

So for the conspiracy side.

Brussels today; Palestine peace talks; Brussels is THE heart of the European Union; if I was a terrorist and I wanted to make a propaganda coup; regardless of my sponsors; that's what I'd do, Paris, Brussels, even so far back as 7/7, London. Capital cities the hearts of most countries cultures and some of the most densely populated cities on earth, disrupting peace talks....makes sense for whatever government around the world is supporting ISIS.

It also leads into a number of other arguments; there is the encryption argument which is sure to be linked.

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20160322/11200133982/before-we-even-know-details-politicians-rush-to-blame-encryption-brussels-attacks.shtml

Stripping of the right to privacy and higher levels of the police state; cameras; increased militarization of the police services and increased military presences. Ensuring that the UK doesn't leave the EU; "Strength Through Unity; Unity through faith." Making sure that the UK stays in to push through TTP? (Or whichever variant is for the EU and the UK) so that the corporatocracy is extended as much as possible across all states?

Anyway, I could talk more but I'd not like to bore you all too much;

Thanks for reading!

24 years

First thing I do when I hear news about a terrorist attack or suspicious disaster is check the date. Is there any sort of occult numerology behind the numbers in the date?

Hmmmm 3/22...is that not the number directly below the Skull & Bones logo?

By golly, it is. It didn't take long for me to realize that Friday, November 13th was a significant date either. Regardless of whether or not it's a hoax, a false flag, or a completely real ISIS attack, since ISIS is more or less a proxy army of western forces, it's still technically a false flag. The world is just crazy.

Except on Europe the date is written the other way around. Besides it's fucking stupid to attribute an attack to numbers.

Ok right...cause there's no relation whatsoever to 9/11 (US) and 3/11 (Spain, Japan).

Only in your paranoid fantasy you have created.

Lol, everyone here is Jim Carrey in 23. Pretty entertaining to read. sometimes.

Does that make you feel good about yourself? I'm glad you feel superior without even considering the actually possibility. Congratulations.

I saw the post about skull and bones yesterday and I really didn't think I be waking up on the first day to this shit. This technically doesn't mean it was them for sure but goddammit the chances are pretty slim for this shit to be taking place. We have to put a stop to this, like you said even if it was "ISIS" that still means it's our fault because we created them by proxy and most likely control them by proxy.

I was certain Yale was going to go further in the NCAA tourney...definitely expecting some Skull & Bones stuff to go down against Duke.

Those damned Yalies are at it again, the scamps!

So shallow in your thoughts.

someone posted the other day about 3/22 and expecting something to happen. Spooky af

No its fucking not

Let them run their sticks together

What is the significance of Nov.13?

I was mistaken in thinking November was the month, but it was actually October, Friday the 13th, 1307, when the knights templar were rounded up in Paris and ultimately arrested, disbanded, tortured, and executed after being coerced into confessing to all sorts of crimes. So, not the exact same date, but a Friday the 13th in the same place all that went down, there's very much a connection.

Didn't that happen on a Friday? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Woah man. Friday the 13th--spooky!

JFK was shot on Elm Street

I dont know what is going on, but I do know not to trust the official story and that anything broadcast on a TV news station is going to be full of inaccuracies and even outright propaganda.

Be skeptical. Be very skeptical.

http://liveblog.abcnews.go.com/Event/Explosions_in_Brussels is a cool interactive map of the events.

It does seem shockingly well coordinated.

There are 3 terror suspects caught on CCTV. Who is this man in a disguise? http://i.imgur.com/eiqSpSp.jpg

This could be a confidential informant/handler finally caught on video. Unlike the missing footage in San Bernardino, 7/7, Boston Bombing...

The 2 guys in black died, the man in a disguise is on the loose.

Blackwater strikes again.

Is this real or hoax? Any confirmed casualties or more crisis actors and fake victims?

Surprised this is the first mention of it being staged I've found here, it certainly seems to be to me based on past events. Every real bombing I know of even with smaller numbers of victims was verifiable straight away by both the explosion and injuries that can't be faked with a little bit of blood. I have only seen about 5 injured so far and there is meant to be over 200. People think it's the media censoring the gory stuff but everyone carries cameras these days so we should have seen something that seemed legit.

This thread needs an update, because they've named the participants. This gets a bit weird. This post is going to be all over the place, because I'm just trying to make heads or tails of this situation and am basically copypasting info. I don't have time to do a thorough analysis now.

Nov 13, 2015: Paris Attacks:

Abdelhamid Abaaoud hides in St. Denis and Salah Abdeslam escapes to Belgium (even being pulled over by police but distracting them by smoking pot...).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks

Nov 18, 2015: Saint Denis Raid. Abaaooud suicide bombs himself in police raid.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Saint-Denis_raid

March 15th: Police in Brussels raid house rented by under a false name. Two suspects escape via rooftop. Four officers injured in shootout. One suspect- Mohamed Belkaid, a 35-year-old Algerian citizen is killed shooting at police with an automatic rifle and shotgun. Scene linked to Salah Abdeslam by a fingerprint on a glass. Two brothers and Abdeslam now on the run.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Brussels_police_raids

Khalid and Ibrahim El Bakraoui, both already known from Brussels gangster environment. So the 17-year-old Khalid El Bakraoui was sentenced in 2011 to five years in prison for a series of carjackings. Ibrahim was again involved in a violent robbery of a currency exchange in Brussels and thereby opened fire on the police in January 2010. For those offenses he was sentenced to nine years in prison.

http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/32616/Terreurdreiging-in-Belgie/article/detail/2649642/2016/03/17/Federaal-parket-bevestigt-betrokkenheid-broers-El-Bakraoui-niet.dhtml

Khalid el-Bakraoui used a false name to rent a flat in Rue De Dries where police killed a gunman in a shootout on 15 March, according to RTBF. A fingerprint of Salah Abdeslam, the main suspect in the Paris terror attacks, was found during the raid

This article claims on March 16th that the 2 brothers were detained after fleeing the raided home:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/652985/Paris-attacks-terrorist-suspects-arrested-Brussels-police-raid

March 18th: Police raid house due to a large pizza order... Abdeslam shot in leg and taken into custody along with several others.

In addition to the brothers, police announce that they are searching for Najim Laachraoui, 24, a Belgian citizen, and Mohamed Abrini, 31, who was recorded by a surveillance video camera with Mr. Abdeslam two days before the Paris attacks. Laachraoui is connected via photographs and DNA with Abdeslam.

The authorities found Mr. Laachraoui’s DNA at the house in Auvelais and also at a house on Rue Henri Bergé, in the Schaerbeek section of Brussels, that was searched on Dec. 10. In the property on Rue Henri Bergé, investigators found traces of TATP, which has become the signature explosive for Islamic State operations in Europe. TATP can be made with common household products and was an ingredient in the suicide vests used in the Paris assaults. Mr. Abdeslam’s fingerprints were also found at the house.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/22/world/europe/paris-attacks-accomplice-najim-laachraoui.html?_r=0

If this guy is the "Chief bombmaker", why is he at the scene of the most recent attack?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/brussels-attacks-live-updates-airport-suspect-is-isis-chief-bomb-maker-a6947476.html

In the Charleroi hideout, police had found DNA traces of Paris attacks ringleader Abdelhamid Abaaoud as well as Chakib Akrouh, both of whom were killed north of the French capital days after the Paris attacks under a hail of police bullets.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/belgium/12194789/Brussels-police-shot-at-during-raid-linked-to-Paris-attacks.html

SO now all of these guys (some of whom have been dead since november) have DNA in this apartment.

And there's one more loose end- Laachraoui

Some are claiming he was arrested...

http://news.yahoo.com/brussels-airport-suspect-najim-laachraoui-arrested-belgian-media-104400309.html

Some are claiming he was killed... Saying that he was one of the two who died at the airport- the other brother being the one at the train station. The third "unidentified" person from the airport is still being sought.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/brussels-attacks/suspected-paris-bomb-maker-najim-laachraoui-died-brussels-airport-attack-n544511

http://www.ktvq.com/story/31524145/manhunt-launched-for-newly-identified-paris-attacks-suspect-najim-laachraoui

It's interesting that all of these guys were known and being publicly investigated for their connection with the Paris attacks. The brothers who were supposedly the suicide bombers were known criminals and would have been watched closely by the justice system and intelligence services.

edit:

according to this report, one of the brothers was deported from Turkey to the Netherlands, and Turkey claims that they warned Belgium that he was a suspected foreign fighter.

the article also claims:

They – along with Khalid el-Bakraoui, who bombed the Maelbeek metro station – were being sought by police in connection with the terror attacks in Paris, and in particular were thought to be linked to Salah Abdeslam, one of the Paris attackers, who was arrested in Brussels this week.

A fourth man was also part of that police search: Mohamed Abrini, 31, a Belgian of Moroccan origin, who allegedly played a key role in planning the assault on Paris.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/mar/23/brussels-attacks-police-search-airport-bomb-suspect-live

A fifth suspect appears to be "Soufiane Kayal", who was traveling with Abdeslam (arrested on the 18th) and Mohamed Belkaïd (killed on the 15th raid on the brother's apartment).

European government are clearly not doing enough to stop these attacks. CLEARLY!

Thanks for your research. It's very helpful to those of us who were stuck at work today.

/r/Conspiracy: "ISIS™ is a US/Israeli Proxy Army - EVIDENCE THREAD"

Distract from Arizona Voter fraud. . nice move DNC :) and Clinton Regime

Aww yay you speak sarcasm! It's my favorite language. I think it needs its own font.

well obviously it is blood sacrifice by the illuminati to signify the vernal equinox. interesting that it happened on the first day of the resurrection meaning that it may be the commencement event for the season of sacrifice until may 1

Clearly.

Clinton controls ISIS. Called for attack to soften blow of her multiple state defeat.<sup>/s</sup>

https://youtu.be/FxKCqSGewJA?t=46s Crisis Actor? Associated Mormon conspiracy?

In so far as they are preppers and for many other reasons, they are very forward thinkers.

Not all muslims are terrorists but a whole lot of terrorists are muslims.

Terrorist patsies you mean. Don't get me wrong, they are willing patsies in the sense that they are happy to kill westerners. But patsies none the less.

Assuming the bombings are real, then how are they patsies? Did someone strap the bombs onto their chests? I don't understand what you're implying.

Look at what the FBI and CIA did SEVERAL times here in the US. Find a mosque or something, send in someone undercover, have him do everything he can to convince the other people to commit a terrorist act with him, provide the money, the gear, anything he needs. Arrest everyone, including your undercover. "TERRORIST PLOT IN NYC FOILED THANKS TO THE FBI" says the headline.

Oh, I'm sure they were happy to strap bombs to their chest. But who gave the bombs, who paid for their ride, how did they get their planning done, etc. Details we never seem to get.

As brildenlanch said, the FBI searches for potential patsies. The FBI has informers who pose as someone who is a member of a terrorist group. These informers (who are usually convicted felons who get leniency for performing this role) influence the potential patsy, probably someone quite vulnerable, or at odds with society, and it goes from there. It's better explained here: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/terrorist-plots-helped-along-by-the-fbi.html?_r=0

They were tricked to give their life and kill others with their own?

Tricked by who or what? Islam or someone else?

Well, either one. In this instance it'd be 'people who believed they were fighting for their religion, for God'. And that narrative is played over basically in ever instance you can think of. The other dude is saying they're patsies because they were given a bomb, told to detonate, then the person who sent them off is still around. The 'brainwashed' or ingrained individual gives their life. (same as the people in military for instance)

Thanks for the clarification. I particularly like the military analogy.

"We'll blame it on the Muslims, naturally. Then I get my funding!" -1996

Compared to what exactly? http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/14/are-all-terrorists-muslims-it-s-not-even-close.html

1/4 of the entire world is muslim. I guess you are fucked then.

Hopefully not me, but a lot of innocent people are.

Go figure the religion with the most people subscribed to its ideology would have the most terrorists.

You don't know much about percentages or per capita statistics apparently.

You are the minority, not muslims. They make up 23.41% of the world. Your world view is not more important than theirs, it is equal. Christians conquered the earth during the crusades massacring countless people. Does that mean a 10 year old white girl is a racist murderer?

99% of Muslim people are not terrorists. But I bet your friends white dad beats the shit out of his mom when he's drunk.

1% of a large population is still a huge amount of people.

100% of terrorists that are Muslim, are Muslim.

Very true. And white teenage school shooters probably played COD with you on XBOX Live.

And black gang bangers love fried chicken

so do i

Who doesn't? It's delicious

So 1% of 23.41% of the world are terrorists?

The crusades were to defend, gain back their land, and a little bit of retribution so that is a poor analogy. It was a war, not terrorism. Do you know the percentages of muslims thst approve of jihadi terrorism? You'd be shocked. Even moderates stand by and approve, or at least watch as it occurs while doing nothing. I'll try to find an infograph for you. It's shocking.

You've already lost, especially by the unnecessary ad hom at the end; it shows the weakness of your argument and that of your character.

Ah yes the ole "Department of Defense" argument. Let me defend myself by slapping you in the head. You've been convinced by the word "defense," damn. You really fell for that? Israel is just defending itself against Palestinian children right? lmfao.

You're sitting here, a bonafide bigot, who watched a million Iraqis killed by America, and you have audacity to say other people stand by and do nothing?

No ten things that has happened to America in the last 50 years can add up to the number of bodies they have created in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Ukraine, and a ton of other places.

Stand by buddy with your hands in your pockets. Your side are the heroes cause your tv said so.

You've been convinced by the word "defense," damn. You really fell for that? Israel is just defending itself against Palestinian children right? lmfao.

You clearly know nothing about the crusades other than what movies and reddit has taught you, so the point's null. But, I agree, fuck Isreal.

You're sitting here, a bonafide bigot, who watched a million Iraqis killed by America, and you have audacity to say other people stand by and do nothing?

Ad hom again. Argument invalidated.

No ten things that has happened to America in the last 50 years can add up to the number of bodies they have created in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Ukraine, and a ton of other places.

So what?

Stand by buddy with your hands in your pockets. Your side are the heroes cause your tv said so.

Again, irrelevant. You're all over the place because you've no real argument. You're just throwing spaghetti at the wall hoping some will stick.

As promised: http://i.imgur.com/Y9K2XCs.jpg

Here I wait for you to argue how facts and statistics are wrong. I bet you won't even bother to type out the source URL to actually learn something, despite your attempt earlier to use per capita numbers to prove something, but you might surprise me.

Oh wow, irrelevant statistics and accusations I "clearly know nothing about" well documented history.

What percentage of white christian males or females believe that a wife should obey their husband?

There is something wrong with this? Oh right in the PC safe zone world we are all sensitive fruitcakes with no grasp on reality because the only tan we get is from our computer monitors and if someone offends me that means they are a bad person because my rigid ideologies defined by cultural marxism reign supreme.

What is wrong with having structure in a household? Damn those feminists.

Sharia law is currently practiced in Iran, a country that is a constitutional republic that exact same as the United States. How does this make you feel?

Re: your so what.

EXACTLY. You say Muslims stand by? America killed ONE MILLION OF THEIR FUCKING PEOPLE BRO. Let me guess. DEFENSE JUST LIKE THE CRUSADES AMIRITE!?

God damn bro. Pick the shit you've be getting fed out of your teeth.

Treating a human being any different than you'd treat yourself, based on race, gender (in this case), intelligence, ect is barbaric thinking, no if's, and's, or but's.

We're all humans, we bleed the same, we die the same, regardless of any of the factors our society pushes to diversify us further.

The fact you said "Damn those feminists" proves the other poster's point.

When it comes to "But it should be their free right to practice these laws and traditions in their household." while to a degree you are correct, but when that practice promotes and preaches superiority difference between humans, that's when the line has been crossed.

Do you really think any of these wives and women under this practice, if were shown a different lifestyle (Before being conditioned), would really choose Sharia Law over anything else?

Feminsm is allegedly a movement based on equality, but is actually a movement based on female superiority.

That is why I mock it. I am not the one who is guilty of being a supremacist. Many of them are essentially extremists, and once again make up a very small % of what people actually legitimately believe. It's easy to be a feminist sitting at home in your parent's house posting on tumblr.

We aren't talking about Feminism. I don't care whether or not there's extremists in a group, there always will be those who take an original message or idea and corrupt it.

What I'm talking about is the fact that Sharia law is barbaric, is stems from a religion, preaches superiority amongst men and believers, and has been turned into an enforced law by a government of which our good country 'Murica is strong allies with.

You don't have to be enemies to prove a point, there is such a thing as being a neutral country with other countries because you don't believe in their ethics/laws/beliefs/ect. The way I see it, America continuing their support, imports, exporting, and financial backing of Saudi Arabia is a statement that we as a country either lack empathy, or approve oppression as long as we are gaining something from it.

I entirely agree. Kind of like the war port called Israel and all of the donations it receives.

The issue with calling Sharia Law barbaric is that United States is equally as guilty of human rights violations.

It is barbaric to have more people imprisoned than anywhere else on earth.

It is, I agree, barbaric to issue the death penalty. But guess what, in America capital punishment is still legal.

Many of the things Western society accuses the Middle East of, we are far more guilty of ourselves.

Sharia Law is barbaric. Meanwhile America is bombing Doctors Without Borders hospitals.

Tell me, is Obama executive ordering a drone strike on Muslim children who are unarmed barbaric?

I'm not disagreeing with anything you've said in this post, America is full of complete hypocrisy, but the difference between the two my friend?

Progression.

Just as I thought.

check the scoreboard breh

Yeah the yews are upvoting your BS terrorist sympathies.

It's all about perspective. In western society we learn the crusades were justified just like the colonization of America, but that doesn't mean that what you were told is any more correct than what the opposition thinks. You make it seem like the west hasn't done anything to provoke these actions. We sure as hell never (directly or indirectly) supported terrorism /s. Neither side is completely in the right since both have done a lot of wrong. Moral correctness has nothing to do with it. The ones who are "right" are the last ones standing since they are the ones who will write the history books. Just keep in mind, we kill an awful lot more of them than they kill of us. And I'm talking about innocent civilians, woman and children. Unless, of course, you assume they're all guilty by association. In which case - fuck'em, 'merka.

You're right about the last man standing.

Just keep in mind, we kill an awful lot more of them than they kill of us.

At this point in time. The idea is to keep it that way to keep our people safe for as long as possible.

And I'm talking about innocent civilians, woman and children. Unless, of course, you assume they're all guilty by association. In which case - fuck'em, 'merka.

I don't think anyone would argue the first point. I'd argue that your irreverence is in the second point is disturbing.

you must not take kindly to sarcasm

I don't take it at all. It's childish and a poor substitute for an argument of substance.

It may be childish, but not being able to appreciate sarcasm is douchy and a boring way to live life.

Do you know the percentages? Can you even be accurate after asking 100 Muslims? Our perhaps even 1000? Where was the survey done and how many Muslims did they ask? Was the survey conducted by a neutral party?

The source is right there on the bottom. You clearly don't care.

I see no source. I want to see a source showing percentage of Muslims endorsing jihadi terrorism (is that even a term?)

It's right there at the bottom of the pic:

http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf

The good stuff starts on page 219 or so, though the entire thing is an enlightening read. (I know you're going to try to find some way to brush it all off, but it's a pew poll and they know what they're doing. So none of that "not enough samples", "not all samples are properly distributed", and so forth. This is one of the most reputable polling sources in the world.)

Ok, I'll have a look. You know I'm going to brush it off, do you! Are you really that arrogant that you think that? You know nothing about me, so please enlighten me how you came to deduce that.

I have yet to meet a single redditor who hasn't, so it's a fair assumption. They all can't deal with the implications of tge infograph, or of the findings in the document itself, and either attack my character (calling me names) or come up with some lame reason as to how facts are wrong because it hurts their worldview. Nothing would make me more happy for someone to just accept the fact that muslims think in such grotesque ways when compared to the values held today in the West.

I've just seen your original comment with the link. Sorry, I didn't see it previously because it is in a different list of this comment section according to my phone. Anyway, I'll have a look.

Ok, after reading it (not the whole thing because I don't have time), I'm not going to dispute the results the survey provides. Obviously, they spent a lot of time on it. Having said that, it is just a survey of 38 people for every 1.62 million. For that, you cannot just show the results as a percentage of all Muslims worldwide. This is why I don't like these surveys. It is impossible to get a worldwide view when only 0.0000023% have been surveyed. That's why I don't believe in surveys. They could have surveyed a different 38000 people and got completely different results. Let's get onto this "jihadi terrorism", which I assuming you mean support for suicide bombing. The results show that in Malaysia, 18% support suicide bombing. However, 92% in Malaysia believe that the very act of suicide is morally wrong in all circumstances (otherwise, 10% of them would have ticked the "depends on the situation" box) - this shows either a flaw in statistics, or some people just don't know what they believe. Another one is the Sharia Law stuff and the "law of the land". Yes, all those people believe that that Sharia Law should be the law of the land. But hang on a minute; they are in their own land. They are not living in another land. They would more probably think differently if they were living in a Western country, but the questions do not relate to that, so the argument to me is invalid. Which means the Islam by stealth "Conspiracy Theory" is invalid. You see, when you start asking US or in my case AUS citizens who are also Muslims the very same question. I can guarantee you will get different results. They will say that their first obligation is to abide by the law of the land. Meaning the current law system in place. I hardly see anyone trying to change that.

Soory, on mobile. Your Malaysia example can be countered easily by a country that believes by 96%. Cherry picking.

You see, when you start asking US or in my case AUS citizens who are also Muslims the very same question. I can guarantee you will get different results.

Look up al-taqyia (spelling). It is the encouragement to lie to infidels for furthering any goals of Islam. This is something they do not talk about but it is a well-held belief amongst nearly all Muslims. I wish I could remember where I saw some articles and quite a few videos exposing their leaders in the act.

As far as your suggestion that they would follow the law of tge land? They will do so as far as avoiding going to jail but they almost never assimilate. I could give many instances but you're likely to call them anecdotal, which they might be, in a way.

You're not looking long term in terms of law of the land, either. They outbreed current citizens in the west by literally 6-7 to one. This is factual. What do you think will happen in one to two generations when they have a significant voting block? Sharia law will indeed be increasing imposed upon the masses step by step. All efforts toward racial equality, sexual equality, LGBT rights will become undone.

Believes what by 96%? That's not a counter. You didn't even make sense. Cherry picking? Of course I picked it out. It stood out like a sore thumb! So now you're saying that the results are completely flawed because they are all lying to us anyway to further their goals of ruling the world. I googled it - only came up with Islamophobic websites - didn't bother going any further. Almost never assimilate? Where do you actually get this info from? More Far right-wing websites? Look, honestly please don't bother to reply because you've just been found out. You are a far right-wing Islamophob that is so worried about losing his whiteness, it's starting to become extreme. Just watch out that you don't kill/hurt someone with that paranoia of yours. We have another form of extremism on our hands now, and it worries me. Another divide and conquer tactic perhaps. More division, easier for TPTB to manage.

Looks like I was 100% right at the beginning.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiya

Ah, like Crypto-Jews

Keep repeating that shit head even though most white elite are the fucking terrorists

Your language doesn't help your case, not that you had one which to begin.

Has anyone spotted the parallel training exercise yet?

That indicates it's more false flag.. probably they needed more authentic witnesses than the last disaster..

Come on now, you can't just turn anything into your favour like that. Let's not make wild assumptions. The antithesis of people jumping to conclusions of muslim terrorism shouldn't be people jumping to conclusions of homegrown terrorism, it should be people keeping a level head who don't make any assumptions at all but instead follow the evidence.

Yes he can! This is /r/conspiracy, where the facts are just as made up as the MSM and critical thinking doesn't apply, you shill.

I said that because the drills involve mobilizing and training first responders, and are well planned. I don't have my mind made up either way. it's just an indication.

exercise(dutch)

there was an exercise last night at the biggest concert dome in antwerp.

Wow. A different city and different venue. Remarkable!

What is this "Mark as Safe" facebook feature? Seems like a really easy way to corral a bunch of people into one spot.....

It basically lets you mark your profile saying you are safe, basically easier and more noticeable than responding to multiple "are you ok?" messages. Its not about going to any specific location.

Ah okay, thanks for clarifying

What's the point of this ridiculous thread?

You are merely repeating what the media has told you.

Your thoughts at the bottom, also irrelevant as they are based on what the media is telling you, which we know at this point every word has to be criticized.

Do you know it would have been easier to ignore this post and unsubscribe.

That's the best you can come up with? Your character speaks volumes.

I wasn't trying to "come up" with anything lol. You just don't seem to like it here so why would you stay?

You don't like my opinion so yours is that I should ignore the thread and move on. Fuck off, I'll speak up when I please

You are a sensitive little princess aren't you? Diddums, why don't you go back to playing with your little swords and come back and talk to the grown ups when youve grown some pubes. Prick.

Further, who's the moron that gave this post gold? This sub is awful

Feel free to go to a different sub/website if it's that bad, repeating what the media has said all in one place gives everyone chance to pick holes in the reports and notice any suspicious activity or blatant contradictions in the official line.
God knows why someone would buy it gold though.

Fake on evert count. except for the psych trauma to brussels and the world.

but not injuries, no uncontrolled blasts. no real man hunt. just all staged.

Oh, I'm sure they were happy to strap bombs to their chest. But who gave the bombs, who paid for their ride, how did they get their planning done, etc. Details we never seem to get.

Look at what the FBI and CIA did SEVERAL times here in the US. Find a mosque or something, send in someone undercover, have him do everything he can to convince the other people to commit a terrorist act with him, provide the money, the gear, anything he needs. Arrest everyone, including your undercover. "TERRORIST PLOT IN NYC FOILED THANKS TO THE FBI" says the headline.

They were tricked to give their life and kill others with their own?

You are a sensitive little princess aren't you? Diddums, why don't you go back to playing with your little swords and come back and talk to the grown ups when youve grown some pubes. Prick.

A good guess would be that he wants to get away and that is easer if there is not a good picture of your face everywhere, so a disguise is a logical idea.

I have yet to meet a single redditor who hasn't, so it's a fair assumption. They all can't deal with the implications of tge infograph, or of the findings in the document itself, and either attack my character (calling me names) or come up with some lame reason as to how facts are wrong because it hurts their worldview. Nothing would make me more happy for someone to just accept the fact that muslims think in such grotesque ways when compared to the values held today in the West.

As brildenlanch said, the FBI searches for potential patsies. The FBI has informers who pose as someone who is a member of a terrorist group. These informers (who are usually convicted felons who get leniency for performing this role) influence the potential patsy, probably someone quite vulnerable, or at odds with society, and it goes from there. It's better explained here: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/terrorist-plots-helped-along-by-the-fbi.html?_r=0

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